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Tuesday, June 15, 2010

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TOPIC: Car Rental Question-Help
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 11:25 pm
From: Sofa Slug

Mark Ratner wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I don't own an automobile but will be renting a car soon for a trip.
> The fact that I don't own a car means that I don't have car insurance,
> either.
>
> I looked at car rates through priceline, and I see that Priceline
> offers $11 a day for collision coverage. Should I get this? Would that
> be all the insurance I'd need in my case?
>
> Or am I better off getting the insurance that the rental company
> offers?
>
> Do I need both collision and liability coverage?
>
> Thanks.

If you don't have auto insurance, you should consider purchasing a CDW
(collision-damage waiver) AND personal liability protection from the
rental car company. A CDW will keep you from being held personally
liable if your rental car is in an accident, vandalized, or stolen. If
the $11 is for a CDW, that's actually pretty reasonable - $15 per day is
more typical.

Some form of personal liability coverage is a must - damage to other
cars and injury to other passengers won't be covered without it.
Liability coverage from the rental car place will probably run you an
additional $7-$14 per day — a small price to pay to avoid a potential
financial disaster.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 6:07 am
From: Napoleon

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:28:17 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
wrote:

>Wrong. You need a policy for EVERY car you own, not just one policy on the
>driver. The car is insured, not the driver. Hell, my grandmother had car
>insurance for 10 years after she gave up her driver's license. She kept the
>car for her home health aide to use to take her to doctors' appts.,
>shopping, etc. And the insurance was in her name as the owner of the car,
>not the aide's name (the driver.) They care about the primary driver's
>record because that's a good prediction of how likely the car is to get
>damaged, stolen, etc. At least that's the way it is in NY.

An interesting fact about NY that many people do not know. If you have
car insurance in NY state, you DO NOT need to get the collision damage
waiver for a rental car, it is covered by your NY policy, even if your
NY policy does not have collision coverage on it.

Your NY auto policy covers both collision damage and liability for all
rental cars rented by the policy owner. Check out the addendums in
your NY policy and you will see it listed there under Rental Vehicle.
It's there, although most insurance agents and rental car agents will
tell you otherwise.

Of course this doesn't help the OP, since the OP does not have car
insurance presently. For the OP, collision damage coverage and
liability will have to be purchased separately, or decline and take
the chance. Insurance is not required yet for rental cars (as far as I
know).

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 6:23 am
From: George

On 6/14/2010 7:28 PM, h wrote:
> "George"<george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hv6147$6iu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 6/14/2010 11:08 AM, h wrote:
>>> "Mark Ratner"<RidgemontRat77884@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a8fdf3dc-3dbd-4dc4-989b-f90fb14c731d@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> I don't own an automobile but will be renting a car soon for a trip.
>>>> The fact that I don't own a car means that I don't have car insurance,
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> I looked at car rates through priceline, and I see that Priceline
>>>> offers $11 a day for collision coverage. Should I get this? Would that
>>>> be all the insurance I'd need in my case?
>>>>
>>>> Or am I better off getting the insurance that the rental company
>>>> offers?
>>>>
>>>> Do I need both collision and liability coverage?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> You don't need any. Insurance is on a vehicle, not a driver. The rental
>>> company has insurance on their vehicles, so you're covered. You don't
>>> have
>>> to buy their extra coverage, either. You're all set with just the rental
>>> agreement.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Auto insurance is on a driver not the vehicle. Ever wonder why they are so
>> interested in your driving record, age and who else might drive the car?
>> Additional coverage such as comprehensive is on the vehicle.
>>
>
> Wrong. You need a policy for EVERY car you own, not just one policy on the
> driver. The car is insured, not the driver. Hell, my grandmother had car
> insurance for 10 years after she gave up her driver's license. She kept the
> car for her home health aide to use to take her to doctors' appts.,
> shopping, etc. And the insurance was in her name as the owner of the car,
> not the aide's name (the driver.) They care about the primary driver's
> record because that's a good prediction of how likely the car is to get
> damaged, stolen, etc. At least that's the way it is in NY.
>
>
No, if you have multiple vehicles you still have only one policy on the
driver (owner) and listed drivers whether by name or class.

Car insurance is on driver (or owner and all named or classed drivers).
If you hit someone and cause damage beyond the policy limits they don't
sue your car.

They also care about all drivers as I stated. Thats why they
specifically ask who lives in the house and in addition if others will
drive the car. Check what happens if young drivers are involved.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 8:04 am
From: "h"

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:hv7usr$abf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 6/14/2010 7:28 PM, h wrote:
>> "George"<george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hv6147$6iu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 6/14/2010 11:08 AM, h wrote:
>>>> "Mark Ratner"<RidgemontRat77884@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:a8fdf3dc-3dbd-4dc4-989b-f90fb14c731d@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't own an automobile but will be renting a car soon for a trip.
>>>>> The fact that I don't own a car means that I don't have car insurance,
>>>>> either.
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked at car rates through priceline, and I see that Priceline
>>>>> offers $11 a day for collision coverage. Should I get this? Would that
>>>>> be all the insurance I'd need in my case?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or am I better off getting the insurance that the rental company
>>>>> offers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do I need both collision and liability coverage?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> You don't need any. Insurance is on a vehicle, not a driver. The rental
>>>> company has insurance on their vehicles, so you're covered. You don't
>>>> have
>>>> to buy their extra coverage, either. You're all set with just the
>>>> rental
>>>> agreement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Auto insurance is on a driver not the vehicle. Ever wonder why they are
>>> so
>>> interested in your driving record, age and who else might drive the car?
>>> Additional coverage such as comprehensive is on the vehicle.
>>>
>>
>> Wrong. You need a policy for EVERY car you own, not just one policy on
>> the
>> driver. The car is insured, not the driver. Hell, my grandmother had car
>> insurance for 10 years after she gave up her driver's license. She kept
>> the
>> car for her home health aide to use to take her to doctors' appts.,
>> shopping, etc. And the insurance was in her name as the owner of the car,
>> not the aide's name (the driver.) They care about the primary driver's
>> record because that's a good prediction of how likely the car is to get
>> damaged, stolen, etc. At least that's the way it is in NY.
>>
>>
> No, if you have multiple vehicles you still have only one policy on the
> driver (owner) and listed drivers whether by name or class.
>

Not in NY. I had to have one policy for my car and one for my van. The CAR
is insured in NY, not the driver. By your explanation, since I own the car
the DH drives, he wouldn't have to have insurance on it since, I already
have insurance on my car. Insurance is not on the driver, it's on the car.
At least it is here.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 1:01 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:04:27 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
wrote:

>
>Not in NY. I had to have one policy for my car and one for my van. The CAR
>is insured in NY, not the driver. By your explanation, since I own the car
>the DH drives, he wouldn't have to have insurance on it since, I already
>have insurance on my car. Insurance is not on the driver, it's on the car.
>At least it is here.
>

Probably every stats is different somehow.
I'm in Illinois and have State Farm ins for home and cars.
Best to check your policy and maybe ask your insurance agent if it's
not clear to you.
I insure 4 cars with four drivers in my household.
Each policy has a car and primary and secondary drivers described.
The ins agency has always juggled the primary driver for each car so
the lowest rates show up.
Some combination of car/driver works best premium wise because they
use the car model and driver age and driving record to determine
premium rates according to statistics.
They have their "science."
I've used the same agency for 36 years and with the multi-policy
discounts don't pay much for insurance.
Claims history also counts, and we've only had a few claims.
Only my daughter's car has collision, as it has enough worth to make
it practical. She also happens to be the listed primary driver on
that car.
I rented a car for a +4000 mile trip about 5 years ago because none of
the cars were really suitable for that trip except my daughter's, and
I don't like it. She loves it. Mitsu Eclipse.
The rental-company provided collision insurance was about what the OP
mentioned - think it was about $14 a day.
Checked to see that my credit card didn't cover it.
I called my ins agent and was told the collision on my daughters car
would cover the rental car only if nobody was driving my daughter's
car at the same time. IOW, garage it.
I just bought the rental car company's insurance.
Almost doubled the cost of the rental. Think the car itself was about
$17 day at the 2-week rental rate.
And I never really pushed for deeper answers once I made the decision
to go with car rental company insurance.
For instance, the collision insurance on my daughters car was based on
its value, and the rental car worth was almost double the replacement
value if I totaled it. It was a new Malibu with 4k miles on it.
Could have been a Caddy worth twice as much.
Would my insurance on the daughter's car which was worth about $10k
actually pay $20k if I totaled the Malibu or $40k for a rental Caddy?
I don't know, since I didn't ask.
There's usually gotchas all over the place when it hits the fan.
Felt comfortable with the rental company insurance once I accepted
that cost into the price. No miles charge for the rental.

--Vic

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TOPIC: Rechargable batteries and information
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 2:00 am
From: "Mr. Benn"

"newshound" <newshound@fairadsl.co.uk> wrote in message
news:87ndrjFpakU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
> "CD" <no@way.ok> wrote in message
> news:m7uc16hj7nvmodlba21duidjf9i6ekoru2@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:50:35 +0100, "john hamiliton"
>> <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Grateful for any advice on the latest state of play with these
>>>rechargable
>>>batteries, and any info on where best to buy them from. Thanks.
>>
>> Both Lidl & Aldi do them for around �2.79 for 4, I think Lidl also
>> have a charger bundle currently too. I have loads of them powering
>> various kids toys & the dect phones with no problems. Just buy 2 sets
>> for continued listening.
>
> The thing I would strongly recommend is to get one of the slightly more
> expensive chargers which senses and recharges individual cells. I get much
> better life out of sets of (AA) batteries since I changed over to one of
> them.

That's what I was about to suggest. These chargers prevent over- and
under-charging by sensing the voltage of each cell while they are being
charged.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 2:02 am
From: "Mr. Benn"

"OG" <owen@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote in message
news:87nh55FeasU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "john hamiliton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hv5fke$oj4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> My pocket sized DAB radio eats AAA size batteries like there is no
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> Maplin are selling so called 'Hybrid' rechargable AAA 800 mAh at four for
>> �10.99. Whilst Argos are selling four 'ordinary rechargable' AAA 850 mAh
>> at �5.99 (and 1000 mAh AAA at �14.99, which seems a big jump in
>> proportional price for another 150 mAh ? )
>>
>> In this DAB radio situation, would so called *Hybrids* be of any extra
>> advantage, considering they are practically twice the price of Argos?
>>
>> Grateful for any advice on the latest state of play with these
>> rechargable batteries, and any info on where best to buy them from.
>> Thanks.
>
> Hybrids are better than ordinary NiMH batteries because they provide a
> slightly higher voltage for longer. As it's usually the drop off in
> voltage that triggers the 'low battery' warning you may well find that a
> 850mAh hybrid will be significantly better than a 1000mAh ordinary one, at
> least that's what I've found with my digital camera.

Hybrids have slightly less capacity than regular NiMH batteries but lower
self-discharge rate and hence longer shelf life. For a DAB radio that's not
used infrequently, I'd be inclined to use regular cells.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 11:03 am
From: "OG"

"Mr. Benn" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:hv7fjk$cgl$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "OG" <owen@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:87nh55FeasU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "john hamiliton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hv5fke$oj4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> My pocket sized DAB radio eats AAA size batteries like there is no
>>> tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Maplin are selling so called 'Hybrid' rechargable AAA 800 mAh at four
>>> for £10.99. Whilst Argos are selling four 'ordinary rechargable' AAA
>>> 850 mAh at £5.99 (and 1000 mAh AAA at £14.99, which seems a big jump in
>>> proportional price for another 150 mAh ? )
>>>
>>> In this DAB radio situation, would so called *Hybrids* be of any extra
>>> advantage, considering they are practically twice the price of Argos?
>>>
>>> Grateful for any advice on the latest state of play with these
>>> rechargable batteries, and any info on where best to buy them from.
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Hybrids are better than ordinary NiMH batteries because they provide a
>> slightly higher voltage for longer. As it's usually the drop off in
>> voltage that triggers the 'low battery' warning you may well find that a
>> 850mAh hybrid will be significantly better than a 1000mAh ordinary one,
>> at least that's what I've found with my digital camera.
>
> Hybrids have slightly less capacity than regular NiMH batteries but lower
> self-discharge rate and hence longer shelf life.

Ahem; it is also a characteristic that the voltage is higher for longer
during discharge, so they trigger the 'low battery' warning later than
standard NiMH cells.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 2:11 am
From: Dan Birchall

oldroads@hotmail.com (OldRoads) wrote:
> If you're trying to identify a bike you found at a yard sale or flea
> market or Goodwill store, etc, our site can help.
> There are on-line Price Guides, Picture Databases and other resources.
> No charge. No registration. No logins. Just use it!
>
> http://oldroads.com/p_query.asp

Although it looks like you're just data-mining Craigslist, this is kind of
a nifty thing.

--
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 2:22 am
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TOPIC: The Americanization of the World
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 4:17 am
From: Derek C

On Jun 13, 6:56 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/13/2010 12:46 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > ecent surge in American culture over the world, a few
> > countries like France and Germany are making plans to slow
> > Americanization. By raising taxes and tariffs on foreign companies and
> > investors, these countries are making it harder for American companies
> > to profit overseas. Also, in Israel, a cultural rebellion is taking
> > place. The Israeli government, in an attempt to slow down
> > Americanization, now requires their radio stations to devote half
> > their airtime to Hebrew songs (6). These are only the exceptions to
> > the rule of American globalization, though. Americanization is now in
> > full swing and sees no end in sight, particularly because many
>
> So the other countries are taxing/legislating their people into getting
> to them to do what the government deems is best, not what the people
> actually want. Sounds about par for the course across the pond.

Personally I would rather starve to death than eat the fat filled
rubbish they sell in Macdonalds and Burger King etc. No wonder there
are so many grossly obese US citizens, and it's not only because they
tend not to cycle very much. I am also trying to wean myself off tooth
rotting Diet Coke. The average American consumes 20 times as much
energy as the rest of the World's population.

The UK has pretty much bankrupted itself supporting the unsanctioned
and immoral wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, for which we have had no
thanks whatsoever. President Obama is currently slating a major
British Company for oil spill that could have just as easily happened
to a US Oil Company. That oil would have been partly used to supply
the US with all its huge, gas guzzling, SUVs

Derek C

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 6:04 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 15, 7:17 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 6:56 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 6/13/2010 12:46 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> > Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > > ecent surge in American culture over the world, a few
> > > countries like France and Germany are making plans to slow
> > > Americanization. By raising taxes and tariffs on foreign companies and
> > > investors, these countries are making it harder for American companies
> > > to profit overseas. Also, in Israel, a cultural rebellion is taking
> > > place. The Israeli government, in an attempt to slow down
> > > Americanization, now requires their radio stations to devote half
> > > their airtime to Hebrew songs (6). These are only the exceptions to
> > > the rule of American globalization, though. Americanization is now in
> > > full swing and sees no end in sight, particularly because many
>
> > So the other countries are taxing/legislating their people into getting
> > to them to do what the government deems is best, not what the people
> > actually want. Sounds about par for the course across the pond.
>
> <entering anti-American rant mode>
>
> Personally I would rather starve to death than eat the fat filled
> rubbish they sell in Macdonalds and Burger King etc. No wonder there
> are so many grossly obese US citizens, and it's not only because they
> tend not to cycle very much. I am also trying to wean myself off tooth
> rotting Diet Coke. The average American consumes 20 times as much
> energy as the rest of the World's population.
>
> The UK has pretty much bankrupted itself supporting the unsanctioned
> and immoral wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, for which we have had no
> thanks whatsoever. President Obama is currently slating a major
> British Company for oil spill that could have just as easily happened
> to a US Oil Company. That oil would have been partly used to supply
> the US with all its huge, gas guzzling, SUVs
>
> <end anti-American rant mode>
>
> Derek C

Same feelings here, including the Coke (which is not actually Coke but
other knockoff).

Anyway, now that you got it off your chest, I think that it's more
than coincidence that the UK was a member of the willing coalition
while other European nations and Canada stood back.

But I don't cry for any giant going down, even if others occupy its
place. Ultimately it is the shareholders and us who drive --willingly
or unwillingly-- who feed the beast. Let some of them go broke.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 6:12 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 15, 7:17 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> <end anti-American rant mode>
>
> Derek C

Hey, let's not have hard feelings against the occupiers. American
culture is so sexy & fun, ain't it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWzkqHDGfcs

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 8:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 14, 10:31 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It is said the nuclear bomb is the most powerful weapon ever
> devised... Not so, it is SATIRE:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SFoiYIs_4
>

There's scene above that says it all... A brand of cigarettes is
riding the wave of the fashionable word, and it's called "DEMOCRACY
LIGHT."

It's asphyxiating, but you feel good about it. Not to be inhaled, just
be fashionable.

Mexico is at war with itself while we pursue the War on Drugs. And
nobody raises a voice for liberalization.They have been democratic for
a long time, very long time. Another DEMOCRACY LIGHT, right?

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 10:25 am
From: Derek C

On Jun 15, 2:04 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 15, 7:17 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 13, 6:56 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 6/13/2010 12:46 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> > > Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > > > ecent surge in American culture over the world, a few
> > > > countries like France and Germany are making plans to slow
> > > > Americanization. By raising taxes and tariffs on foreign companies and
> > > > investors, these countries are making it harder for American companies
> > > > to profit overseas. Also, in Israel, a cultural rebellion is taking
> > > > place. The Israeli government, in an attempt to slow down
> > > > Americanization, now requires their radio stations to devote half
> > > > their airtime to Hebrew songs (6). These are only the exceptions to
> > > > the rule of American globalization, though. Americanization is now in
> > > > full swing and sees no end in sight, particularly because many
>
> > > So the other countries are taxing/legislating their people into getting
> > > to them to do what the government deems is best, not what the people
> > > actually want. Sounds about par for the course across the pond.
>
> > <entering anti-American rant mode>
>
> > Personally I would rather starve to death than eat the fat filled
> > rubbish they sell in Macdonalds and Burger King etc. No wonder there
> > are so many grossly obese US citizens, and it's not only because they
> > tend not to cycle very much. I am also trying to wean myself off tooth
> > rotting Diet Coke. The average American consumes 20 times as much
> > energy as the rest of the World's population.
>
> > The UK has pretty much bankrupted itself supporting the unsanctioned
> > and immoral wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, for which we have had no
> > thanks whatsoever. President Obama is currently slating a major
> > British Company for oil spill that could have just as easily happened
> > to a US Oil Company. That oil would have been partly used to supply
> > the US with all its huge, gas guzzling, SUVs
>
> > <end anti-American rant mode>
>
> > Derek C
>
> Same feelings here, including the Coke (which is not actually Coke but
> other knockoff).
>
> Anyway, now that you got it off your chest, I think that it's more
> than coincidence that the UK was a member of the willing coalition
> while other European nations and Canada stood back.
>
> But I don't cry for any giant going down, even if others occupy its
> place. Ultimately it is the shareholders and us who drive --willingly
> or unwillingly-- who feed the beast. Let some of them go broke.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

<re-enter anti-American rant mode>

Only Tony Bliar (sic) was really in favour of the Iraq war, after
presumably being coercised by George W Bush or the CIA. There were
huge demonstrations against it in most UK cities (I attended the
London one), but as usual the wishes of the people were ignored. That
was the first time in my life that I ever actually agreed with the
French, who would have nothing to do with it. The weapons inspectors
where in Iraq, nothing had been found, and using 'weapons of mass
destruction' as an excuse for the war was an invalid argument. I think
that the Yanks just wanted to kick somebody for 9/11 and Saddam
Hussain was a convenient target, even though he probably had nothing
to do with it.

Derek C

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 11:21 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Derek C wrote:
> On Jun 13, 6:56 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 6/13/2010 12:46 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>>
>> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>>> ecent surge in American culture over the world, a few
>>> countries like France and Germany are making plans to slow
>>> Americanization. By raising taxes and tariffs on foreign companies
>>> and investors, these countries are making it harder for American
>>> companies to profit overseas. Also, in Israel, a cultural rebellion
>>> is taking place. The Israeli government, in an attempt to slow down
>>> Americanization, now requires their radio stations to devote half
>>> their airtime to Hebrew songs (6). These are only the exceptions to
>>> the rule of American globalization, though. Americanization is now
>>> in full swing and sees no end in sight, particularly because many
>>
>> So the other countries are taxing/legislating their people into
>> getting to them to do what the government deems is best, not what
>> the people actually want. Sounds about par for the course across the
>> pond.
>
>
> <entering anti-American rant mode>
>
> Personally I would rather starve to death than eat the fat filled
> rubbish they sell in Macdonalds and Burger King etc. No wonder there
> are so many grossly obese US citizens, and it's not only because they
> tend not to cycle very much. I am also trying to wean myself off tooth
> rotting Diet Coke. The average American consumes 20 times as much
> energy as the rest of the World's population.

> The UK has pretty much bankrupted itself supporting the
> unsanctioned and immoral wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,

Like hell it has. What has actually run the national debt up very high is allowing
the clowns to completely implode the entire world financial system, again.

> for which we have had no thanks whatsoever.

Why should anyone thank you for fucking up Iraq so comprehenensively ?

> President Obama is currently slating a major British Company for oil
> spill that could have just as easily happened to a US Oil Company.

Easy to claim. Have fun substantiating that claim.

It was BP that deliberately didnt shut down that
operation when the blowout preventer had failed.

> That oil would have been partly used to supply
> the US with all its huge, gas guzzling, SUVs

Irrelevant to whether it made any sense to continue
to operate without a viable blowout preventer.

> <end anti-American rant mode>

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 11:27 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Derek C wrote:
> On Jun 15, 2:04 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 15, 7:17 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 6:56 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 6/13/2010 12:46 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of
>>>> the
>>
>>>> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>>>>> ecent surge in American culture over the world, a few
>>>>> countries like France and Germany are making plans to slow
>>>>> Americanization. By raising taxes and tariffs on foreign
>>>>> companies and investors, these countries are making it harder for
>>>>> American companies to profit overseas. Also, in Israel, a
>>>>> cultural rebellion is taking place. The Israeli government, in an
>>>>> attempt to slow down Americanization, now requires their radio
>>>>> stations to devote half their airtime to Hebrew songs (6). These
>>>>> are only the exceptions to the rule of American globalization,
>>>>> though. Americanization is now in full swing and sees no end in
>>>>> sight, particularly because many
>>
>>>> So the other countries are taxing/legislating their people into
>>>> getting to them to do what the government deems is best, not what
>>>> the people actually want. Sounds about par for the course across
>>>> the pond.
>>
>>> <entering anti-American rant mode>
>>
>>> Personally I would rather starve to death than eat the fat filled
>>> rubbish they sell in Macdonalds and Burger King etc. No wonder there
>>> are so many grossly obese US citizens, and it's not only because
>>> they tend not to cycle very much. I am also trying to wean myself
>>> off tooth rotting Diet Coke. The average American consumes 20 times
>>> as much energy as the rest of the World's population.
>>
>>> The UK has pretty much bankrupted itself supporting the unsanctioned
>>> and immoral wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, for which we have had no
>>> thanks whatsoever. President Obama is currently slating a major
>>> British Company for oil spill that could have just as easily
>>> happened to a US Oil Company. That oil would have been partly used
>>> to supply the US with all its huge, gas guzzling, SUVs
>>
>>> <end anti-American rant mode>
>>
>>> Derek C
>>
>> Same feelings here, including the Coke (which is not actually Coke
>> but
>> other knockoff).
>>
>> Anyway, now that you got it off your chest, I think that it's more
>> than coincidence that the UK was a member of the willing coalition
>> while other European nations and Canada stood back.
>>
>> But I don't cry for any giant going down, even if others occupy its
>> place. Ultimately it is the shareholders and us who drive --willingly
>> or unwillingly-- who feed the beast. Let some of them go broke.-
>> Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> <re-enter anti-American rant mode>

> Only Tony Bliar (sic) was really in favour of the Iraq war,

Thats a lie.

> after presumably being coercised by George W Bush or the CIA.

Nope, the fool decided for himself that it was a good idea.

> There were huge demonstrations against it in most UK cities (I attended
> the London one), but as usual the wishes of the people were ignored.

Doesnt mean that only Blair wanted to get involved.

> That was the first time in my life that I ever actually agreed
> with the French, who would have nothing to do with it. The
> weapons inspectors where in Iraq, nothing had been found,

It was always about getting rid of Saddam, the weapons were just an excuse.

> and using 'weapons of mass destruction' as an excuse for the war
> was an invalid argument. I think that the Yanks just wanted to kick
> somebody for 9/11 and Saddam Hussain was a convenient target,

They were actually stupid enough to believe that
it was possible to impose democracy militarily.

> even though he probably had nothing to do with it.

> <end anti-American rant mode>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 11:37 am
From: Ohioguy

My wife and I were driving back home yesterday when we heard a
program called "Trading Post" on the radio. Some guy called in with 22
8 track tapes - country music - said he wanted 100 bucks!

I was amazed, truly. I could see him getting maybe $10 or $20 from
the right person, but these weren't shrinkwrapped or anything like that,
and he didn't mention any rarities.

What's the most overpriced thing you've seen lately?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 12:41 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

I know that in the Christian culture of domination over Nature it
doesn't mean much, but I have been blessed with a couple of trees in
my backyard. I said blessed because I didn't plant them, just put a
hammock between them and voila! The Movement of Tantra-Hammock is
born. Well, the Tantra I do inside, but the hammock must be outside
and under the trees to be appreciated. Actually I'm sure the
Christians are very much afraid of Tantra, in which you actually enjoy
sex for a long time and appreciate it for its spirituality.

Now we must convert the brainwashed masses to the culture of
appreciating Nature (some call it Gaia) rather than a dying man, and
we would have something very similar to what the original Garden of
Eden was supposed to be.

I hope the Snake doesn't show up. ;)

-------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"The Mantra is Ba-na-na"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 15 2010 12:50 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 15, 2:01 pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
> Hammock" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:947dadde-11b8-47f6-
> b1c4-0a164e9ac...@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > I know that in the Christian culture of domination over Nature it
> > doesn't mean much, but I have been blessed with a couple of trees in
> > my backyard. I said blessed because I didn't plant them, just put a
> > hammock between them and voila! The Movement of Tantra-Hammock is
> > born. Well, the Tantra I do inside, but the hammock must be outside
> > and under the trees to be appreciated. Actually I'm sure the
> > Christians are very much afraid of Tantra, in which you actually enjoy
> > sex for a long time and appreciate it for its spirituality.
>
> > Now we must convert the brainwashed masses to the culture of
> > appreciating Nature (some call it Gaia) rather than a dying man, and
> > we would have something very similar to what the original Garden of
> > Eden was supposed to be.
>
> > I hope the Snake doesn't show up. ;)
>
> > -------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "The Mantra is Ba-na-na"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Want more miracles? There's no less than 7 oak trees growing in my
> eaves troughs. The little critter Holy Squirrels are partly to blame
> because they carry dirt up on my roof with their food. They're kinda
> sloppy eaters, squirrels, that's what propagates the trees with the
> sloppy birds, you know. The acorns dropped hurriedly rolled away before
> Mr Squirrel noticed and hid in the mud in the troughs. Now sitting in
> pure South Carolina mud, constantly watered by those evil corporate air
> conditioner condensers, the little Oaks are going to have to be
> transplanted, soon, out behind the shed where they can become the next
> generation of shade for whatever species comes after ours destroys
> itself, say, around 2250 in the Age of Aquarius on the Zodiacal
> Calendar.
>
> God Squirrels move in strange ways.....especially during the breeding
> season!
>
> --http://www.goveg.com/feat/agriprocessors/responseToOUStatement.asp
> Watch the FULL video. I dare ya! Shechitah barbarians!
>
> Larry

Yeah, but the Christians chop down trees quicker than the squirrels
propagate them.

Everything around me is a Christian desert, but I enjoy the bushy
Garden of Eden. The evil mosquitoes attack me, but I found the
solution. Those blood-suckers are as hard to fight as the Christians.

TO BE CONTINUED

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