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TOPIC: clean with magazine sheets but not newspaper?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 11:58 pm
From: Michaelangelo

Matty F burst on the scene, and said:

> I used an electronic calculator with Nixie tubes in 1962 at
> University.
> Quite possbly this model:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumlock_ANITA_calculator

Electronic calculators appeared in the '60s but *pocket* calculators
were a product of the '70s.

--
Michaelangelo
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Self-catering, holiday accommodation in the Scottish Highlands - for
disabled people:
www.woodhead-cottage.co.uk

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 12:09 pm
From: "Sam"

The Real Bev wrote
> 234 wrote
>> The Real Bev wrote
>>> Owain wrote
>>>> Spamlet wrote

>>>>> Years ago they did feature non dirty newspaper ink in Tomorrow's
>>>>> World. Like everything else in that prog, it never caught on.

>>>> * The Breathalyser (1967)
>>>> * The ATM (1969)
>>>> * The pocket calculator (1971)

>>> Electronic calculator, roughly the size of an adding machine, came out much earlier. Nixie tubes.

>> Nope, not that much earlier.

> Yeah it was.

No it wasnt. It has to be after 64
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculator#The_development_of_electronic_calculators

> We may still have it :-(

Irrevant to when it first showed up.

>>>> * The digital watch (1972)

>>> Pulsars -- red LEDs of some sort -- came out in the early 60s.

>> Nope, later than that.

> Nope yourself. Well, maybe they took that long to hit Oz, but I
> remember being at a gas station in Bakersfield and asking a guy to
> push the button on his Pulsar. This is before our first kid was born
> in 1964.

That must be your altzhiemer's talking, the Pulsar LED watch was only a prototype in 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch#Digital

And that says that they were out of the price of the consumer until 1975.

> We also acquired a stray calico kitten there, which we gave
> to my mother-in-law. She was an exceptionally good cat, and now
> Bakersfield cats have assumed a position of superiority in our family.

> Gotta add 234 to my killfile, Rod. Sorry, but you earned it. The
> brain inside isn't worth the trouble of scraping off the crap outside.

You never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 2:28 pm
From: "Graham."

"Spamlet" <spam.morespam@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:i2n3mt$7u8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "john hamilton" <bluestar95@mail.invalid> wrote in message news:i2midd$r35$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> After reading our newspapers we end up with an oily dirt on our hands, but not after reading the magazine supplements that come
>> inside the newspapers or the television guide magazines.
>>
>> I wondering what the significance is with regard to using sheets from the magazines with regard to wrapping food. I know you are
>> not suppose to use newspaper. But is it alright to use the magazine sheets for wrapping food? Also are they both alright to use
>> in garden composting? This question is also relevant when using dampened magazine sheets to clean down food surfaces and clean
>> windows etc.
>>
>> Would anyone know how to explain simply how the method of printing is done differently between the magazines and the newspapers?
>> Thanks for any advice.
>
> I think you only need to use your nose: though with widespread colour the line between magazine and newspaper is increasingly
> blurred. Most magazines smell horrible, and many give me a headache, therefore the ink isn't dry, and you don't want it in your
> food. (Some may be done on photocopiers, but even cured plastic toner can transfer on to say over head projector slides if you
> leave them stacked together too long.) I'm a bit out of date but one of the more headachy solvents I used to hate and smell in
> magazines was cyclohexanone. There are large numbers of inks and formulations as there is still a touch of alchemy involved.
> Many magazines still have ink that doesn't dry completely and you can quite often get a reversed image if you insert a piece of
> plastic and weigh it down for a while. You probably don't smudge it because most of the time your fingers are on the border of a
> magazine whereas you tend to touch the ink when you are folding the newspaper to read it.
>
> Shiny magazine paper is a pain to anyone who likes to make notes in margins etc. as biro smudges all over the place and pencil
> either won't write on it or rips it to pieces.
>
> Years ago they did feature non dirty newspaper ink in Tomorrow's World. Like everything else in that prog, it never caught on.

Clutch-head security screws. Saw them on TW in the 70s I think.
Never saw them in the wild for years, now they are a common sight fastening
public toilet cubical panels together.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 2:42 pm
From: Tim Watts

Graham. <me@privacy.net>
wibbled on Thursday 29 July 2010 22:28

> Clutch-head security screws. Saw them on TW in the 70s I think.
> Never saw them in the wild for years, now they are a common sight
> fastening public toilet cubical panels together.
>

I can remember a few others that did too... Not necessarily that fast.

Ronstrip. Or rather the same sort of caustic gunk applied to a large wooden
area, coated with a blanket then pulled off an hour or so later, paint and
all. I guess that form would never had made it in the market, but I'm almost
certain Ronstrip must be the practical derivative.

Talking-telephone-computer-menus: I saw that when I was a kid - thought:
wow, an actual computer talking to you. Never guessed how bloody annoying it
would be @-|

Sure they must have done quite a bit on "self driving cars" which whilst
that happened, look at the parking assist and the safety-distance-brake that
are on quite a lot of cars now.

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 4:09 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 07/28/10 21:30, Matty F wrote:

> On Jul 29, 3:58 pm, The Real Bev<bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 07/28/10 17:39, 234 wrote:
>> > The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> >>> * The pocket calculator (1971)
>>
>> >> Electronic calculator, roughly the size of an adding machine, came out
>> >> much earlier. Nixie tubes.
>>
>> > Nope, not that much earlier.
>>
>> Yeah it was. We may still have it :-(
>
> I used an electronic calculator with Nixie tubes in 1962 at
> University.
> Quite possbly this model:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumlock_ANITA_calculator

Ours had a normal 10-key keyboard plus the usual memory functions. It
cost $100 at The Akron, a store long out of business which sold neat and
interesting stuff at really low prices. I can't remember how much the
regular-brand calcs cost, but it was a lot more.

--
Cheers, Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
666øF -- the oven temperature for roast beast.

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TOPIC: Hot Sexy Star Aishwarya Rai Bathing Videos In All Angles
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 6:14 am
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TOPIC: Do Christians Fart in Church?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 9:27 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

I have decided to launch yet another campaign for peace...

http://webspawner.com/users/FARTFORPEACE

Yes, it's similar to MASTURBATION FOR PEACE, but it can be practiced
in public even in church. ;)

Notice this is similar in effect to PRAYERS FOR PEACE, which is widely
used by many who choose to do nothing, while I propose that Plan A is
doing something like RIDING A BIKE.

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

http://webspawner.com/users/MASTURBATIONFORPEACE

Now enjoy this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O305Qso0Kg&feature=related

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 12:31 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 29, 2:32 pm, Earle Jones <earle.jo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <66d5a89e-a134-412a-bfd7-7b7a9f937...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
> Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I have decided to launch yet another campaign for peace...
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/FARTFORPEACE
>
> > Yes, it's similar to MASTURBATION FOR PEACE, but it can be practiced
> > in public even in church....
>
> *
> But should it be practiced in an elevator?

Well, let's put this way...

That would be an elevated way to fart.

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TOPIC: All the bike lanes lead nowhere
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 12:07 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 29, 2:58 pm, Jimmy <JimmyGeldb...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Bolwerk <bolw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Remember that upper class white woman who dared let her 9-year-old ride
> > the Subway alone a few years ago? It actually made the news.
>
> Metro North explicitly allows children 8 and over to ride
> unaccompanied. Seehttp://www.mta.info/mnr/html/planning/fares/unaccomp_child.htm
> .
>
> Jimmy

Try letting your child ride a bike alone.

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TOPIC: Use a PC monitor with a Blue Ray player?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 12:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.

>>> The RF signal still propagates the same way.

>> Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.

>> And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.

> The RF still propagates the same way.

Still works a hell of a lot better at weak signal levels where
there is no direct path between the transmitter and receiver.

> It doesn't make any difference that there is digital information
> modulated onto the carrier. RF is still RF. It behaves the same
> regardless of what type of information it is carying.

Wrong with weak signal levels.

> Oh, about the ghosts. ATSC tuners and decoders have circuits that cancel them.

Lie with digital TV.

> You don't see them because they have been processed out, not because they don't exist.

Yes, they still exist, but they are just ignored with digital TV.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 11:31 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8be24vF9k5U1@mid.individual.net:

> Gordon wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.
>
>>>> The RF signal still propagates the same way.
>
>>> Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.
>
>>> And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.
>
>> The RF still propagates the same way.
>
> Still works a hell of a lot better at weak signal levels where
> there is no direct path between the transmitter and receiver.

Yes, digital signals are less suseptable to interfearence. And
multipath reception is a form of self interfearence. But that has
nothing to do with RF propagation.
>
>> It doesn't make any difference that there is digital information
>> modulated onto the carrier. RF is still RF. It behaves the same
>> regardless of what type of information it is carying.
>
> Wrong with weak signal levels.

Bull! RF is still RF.

>
>> Oh, about the ghosts. ATSC tuners and decoders have circuits that
>> cancel them.
>
> Lie with digital TV.

Look it up.

>
>> You don't see them because they have been processed out, not because
>> they don't exist.
>
> Yes, they still exist, but they are just ignored with digital TV.
>
Yes. That's what I said.
>
>

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TOPIC: What if 20 Million Illegals left
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 4:55 pm
From: tmclone

On Jul 29, 1:37 am, Coffee's For Closers <Usenet2...@THE-DOMAIN-
IN.SIG> wrote:

Please just go kill yourself. Why is it that you keep popping up in
every newgroup I read? Did you follow me here? Please take your
negative, anti-mommy, anti-husband screed elsewhere. PLEASE!! I'm
childfree, and assholefree. You are definintely an ASSHOLE!! GO
AWAY!!!!!!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 5:08 pm
From: "Jeff Strickland"

<tripletask@gmail..com> wrote in message
news:tsr056hrg5nvo0bt5dq3s91jmlpi04u8t5@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:37 -0400, No Surrender@never.net wrote:
>
>>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>>
>>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?

If they left California, our budget problems -- $10 Billion deficit -- would
be gone tomorrow. I have trouble understanding the down side of that.

We spend ten billion tax dollars per year on the illegal immigrant
population in this state. We'd have to find a way to staff the carwash, and
that might be difficult. But there are plenty of legal immigrants that need
the jobs, so it wouldn't be impossible.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 8:08 pm
From: edspyhill01

On Jul 29, 8:08 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <tripletask@gmail..com> wrote in message
>
> news:tsr056hrg5nvo0bt5dq3s91jmlpi04u8t5@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:37 -0400, No Surren...@never.net wrote:
>
> >>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>
> >>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
>
> If they left California, our budget problems -- $10 Billion deficit -- would
> be gone tomorrow. I have trouble understanding the down side of that.
>

No it wouldn't. To fix the deficits in all states you'd have to
convert all government workers' and teachers' defined pensions to
401K's. It's the pensions.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 5:27 pm
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TOPIC: Did you catch Oprah. the Dumpster Diving show
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 5:35 pm
From: VFW

Americans waste too much.
--
Money! What a concept.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 10:15 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 07/29/10 17:35, VFW wrote:

> Americans waste too much.

And most of the rest of the world hopes to be able to live like us one day.

--
Cheers, Bev
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I lock
every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there
picking the locks, they are always locking three.

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TOPIC: MSNBC: Petite woman bumped from plane for hefty passenger
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 6:34 pm
From: aemeijers

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Penny writes:
>
>> The woman, a petite 5-foot-4, 110 pounds ...
>
> For what it's worth, the average height for women in the U.S. is 5 feet 4
> inches, so she's not petite.
>
>> ... because the overweight passenger in question was only 14 and
>> they were trying to spare the teen embarrassment.
>
> Sparing the teen embarrassment will result in her weighing about three times
> as much when she's 35, just before she dies of diabetic complications and
> cardiovascular disease.

Some of them hang on for an amazingly long time. There is one in my
office, probably around my age (early 50s) that has to weigh twice what
I do, and I'm no lightweight, and am close to a foot taller. First met
her 30 years ago when I started, when she was maybe 75 pounds lighter.
ISTR the clinical term is 'morbidly obese'. I never expected her to make
it past 40.

But yeah, 14 and fat is still mostly the parent's fault. A fat 14 was,
in all odds, at least a chunky 8 year old. In my experience, fat kids,
more often than not, have fat parents, and get their dietary/exercise
habits from them. So the parents are in denial that the kid has a
problem, and usually have plenty of crap food around the house.

And save your flames- I am borderline fat myself (Just a big gut,
thankfully), so I know what it is like to be food-dependent, with a
mother with too many kids who used food to shut us up so she could get
some work done. But at least I'm not sliding any further into the hole,
and occasionally make it a little ways back up the hill.

--
aem sends...

--
aem sends....

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TOPIC: I hope Germany can win this "battle of the bulge"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 6:38 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

Yes, Germany is considering, not another invasion, but fighting
obesity by taxing it...

'Marco Wanderwitz, a conservative member of parliament for the German
state of Saxony, said it is unfair and unsustainable for the taxpayer
to carry the entire cost of treating obesity-related illnesses in the
public health system.

"I think that it would be sensible if those who deliberately lead
unhealthy lives would be held financially accountable for that,"
Wanderwitz said,'

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/germany-weighs-tax-on-the-obese/19566425

Well, provided they have the opportunity to "burn the
calories" (hopefully walking or riding bike) they really have no
excuse to keep the struggle with the bulge.

I would give them tax credits for leading healthy lifestyles. I say
that because I'm within a reasonable weight limit, but my "life in the
cage" makes it a high health risk nevertheless. Of course, this is not
by choice, but just an strategy for survival.

Perhaps SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST is the right motto here. ;)

-----------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Live like a monkey or die like a pig"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

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TOPIC: Using timers to cut back on electric bill
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 7:35 pm
From: Alex

Hi Everyone ...

Today Oprah had an episode about frugal living, and one suggestion was
to unplug most items when not in use. I've known for some time that
many electrical items like TV, cable box, etc use electricity even
when off, but while watching the show I started wondering if timers
could help cut back on how much electricity those devices use.

My thought is this weekend I'll pick-up a Kill-a-watt meter plus a GE
7-day plug-in timer, both of which at home depot would be about $45.
My thought is to gauge how much electricity the things in our
entertainment center use per hour when not in use (HDTV, cable box,
BluRay, AppleTV, and Wii) and if I can set the timer to only bring
power to these devices say from 4:30pm to 11pm M-F then change the
weekend schedule as needed, this would cut the usage by a large
percentage. Then I could do the same for the cable modem/router and
even the microwave in the house.

Has anyone investigated doing something like this? They just
installed a Smartmeter at our house, so hopefully soon we'll be able
to see how much electricity our house uses in 15 minute intervals
anytime.

Thanks for any advice...

Alex

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 8:39 pm
From: Michael Black

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Alex wrote:

How many of those devices need power to keep settings? If they don't then
you don't need a timer, just put them on a master switch of some kind and
turn them off when you don't need them. Indeed, it's a useful thing
anyway since you are likely to use them all together, and having single
switch for them all means you don't have to fuss with multiple on/off
switches like you're in the cockpit of an airplane.

You can check each device. Unplug them for ten minutes or so, then
see how much resetting you need to do before you can actually use them.
Chances are good many will require some work, and thus you won't want
to turn them off. That they don't have some internal backup to keep
the settings when power disappears is a completely different matter, and
really that's where the fussing should go.

Unless you are willing to redo the settings each time you turn on the
devices, you won't want to do anything but leave them plugged in.

Why would a timer be better than a switch? You end up spending more
money for a timer than a switch, but all it does is turn things on
and off without you having to remember to turn things off. It's way
cheaper to just remember.

Timers on heating, which I assume is where you got this "idea",
is a very different matter. There, you want temperatures to be
reasonable when you get up, or when you come home. Thus you either
add a timer to turn the heat on enough of a time before you get up
or come home, or you live with the cold until it warms up once you get up
or come home to turn on the heat. A very different matter, you need
things turned on while you are still in bed or still out.

The things at home don't need that warming up. You get up and flip
the switch. Or come home and flip the switch.

Buying gadgets isn't necessarily a frugal thing.

If you want to know about current drain, pull everything out of your
AC outlets and record the time and the reading on your electric meter.
Leave things unplugged for an hour, maybe a few hours (I suspect the
longer you leave things off, the easier it will be to get a good reading).
When the time period is over, read the electric meter again, then subtract
the first reading from the second, and you know what power has been
used in that time.

Then, plug things back in but don't turn them on. Record the time and
the reading on the electric meter when you do this, and then sit back
witout using things for the same length of time. Then get the electric
meter reading, subtract the reading at the start from the reading at
the end.

You now have two values of consumption, one without your devices plugged
in, the other with them plugged in. Is it some value that you will
really fuss about, or not? Figure out how much money you pay per hour for
that current drain, and then scale it up. Is it something to worry about,
or will that light you leave on over the front door be more significant?

If you find the draw excessive, then the thing to do is start dealing with
what you can live without.

A device that you don't use very often might as well not be plugged in
all the time, you can live with any resetting of things on the occasions
you do use the device. YOu likely will find some devices draw current
but not to keep memory alive, and those might as well be turned off
when not being used.

Michael

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 9:17 pm
From: Metspitzer

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Alex <samalex@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi Everyone ...
>
>Today Oprah had an episode about frugal living, and one suggestion was
>to unplug most items when not in use. I've known for some time that
>many electrical items like TV, cable box, etc use electricity even
>when off, but while watching the show I started wondering if timers
>could help cut back on how much electricity those devices use.
>
>My thought is this weekend I'll pick-up a Kill-a-watt meter plus a GE
>7-day plug-in timer, both of which at home depot would be about $45.
>My thought is to gauge how much electricity the things in our
>entertainment center use per hour when not in use (HDTV, cable box,
>BluRay, AppleTV, and Wii) and if I can set the timer to only bring
>power to these devices say from 4:30pm to 11pm M-F then change the
>weekend schedule as needed, this would cut the usage by a large
>percentage. Then I could do the same for the cable modem/router and
>even the microwave in the house.
>
>Has anyone investigated doing something like this? They just
>installed a Smartmeter at our house, so hopefully soon we'll be able
>to see how much electricity our house uses in 15 minute intervals
>anytime.
>
>Thanks for any advice...
>
>Alex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standby_power

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 10:49 pm
From: "Bill"

A timer is a good idea for something like a cable TV box or satellite box.
Those need to be on awhile before you can use them, so not easy to pull the
plug.

Other than that, I use power strips WITHOUT an "on light" on the switch.
These are hard to find anymore since most now have a power on light. But I
found one type which has a solid black plastic switch and no power on light.

Then I can place these power strips in an easy to reach location and easily
switch things off when not in use.

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