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Friday, July 30, 2010

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TOPIC: Use a PC monitor with a Blue Ray player?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 11:31 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8be24vF9k5U1@mid.individual.net:

> Gordon wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.
>
>>>> The RF signal still propagates the same way.
>
>>> Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.
>
>>> And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.
>
>> The RF still propagates the same way.
>
> Still works a hell of a lot better at weak signal levels where
> there is no direct path between the transmitter and receiver.

Yes, digital signals are less suseptable to interfearence. And
multipath reception is a form of self interfearence. But that has
nothing to do with RF propagation.
>
>> It doesn't make any difference that there is digital information
>> modulated onto the carrier. RF is still RF. It behaves the same
>> regardless of what type of information it is carying.
>
> Wrong with weak signal levels.

Bull! RF is still RF.

>
>> Oh, about the ghosts. ATSC tuners and decoders have circuits that
>> cancel them.
>
> Lie with digital TV.

Look it up.

>
>> You don't see them because they have been processed out, not because
>> they don't exist.
>
> Yes, they still exist, but they are just ignored with digital TV.
>
Yes. That's what I said.
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 3:15 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Gordon wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.

>>>>> The RF signal still propagates the same way.

>>>> Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.

>>>> And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.

>>> The RF still propagates the same way.

>> Still works a hell of a lot better at weak signal levels where
>> there is no direct path between the transmitter and receiver.

> Yes, digital signals are less suseptable to interfearence.
> And multipath reception is a form of self interfearence.
> But that has nothing to do with RF propagation.

You were the only one rabbitting on about RF propagation.

>>> It doesn't make any difference that there is digital information
>>> modulated onto the carrier. RF is still RF. It behaves the same
>>> regardless of what type of information it is carying.

>> Wrong with weak signal levels.

> Bull! RF is still RF.

You just said the exact opposite, fool.

>>> Oh, about the ghosts. ATSC tuners and decoders have circuits that cancel them.

>> Lie with digital TV.

> Look it up.

Dont need to, its a lie.

>>> You don't see them because they have been processed out, not because they don't exist.

>> Yes, they still exist, but they are just ignored with digital TV.

> Yes. That's what I said.

Nothing like what you said.

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TOPIC: GHD Limited Edition Radiance Set
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 2:31 am
From: lizhou zhu

Finding the best looking way to wear and/or style our hair is a common
problem we all share at one time or another. Fortunately your hair
grows and replaces itself, so almost anything you do will "not be
permanent". As a result trying a new length, shape, or hair color
should be a fun experience rather than a scary one. It's all part of
the self-discovery process.

Regardless of how you style your hair now, changing the length and
shape periodically can help you keep up with the "natural changes"
your hair and facial features under go with time. What once worked
well when you were young may not work as well as you age.

It may come as a surprise but if you look closely you'll find that
many of the classic hairstyles are the result of what each hair type
does naturally and uniquely. With few exceptions, I've found that
almost everyone's natural hair type suits them best when "cut-shaped-
styled" to bring out its hidden beauty.

The secret to finding the "perfect hairstyle" is to simply work with
what the hair does naturally and design your style around it. With a
custom shaping you can easily dress it up or simply shampoo, comb and
go. You'll save time and always look good even when you don't have
time to style your hair. However, the shape and length must also
complement your face shape and most importantly your unique facial
features.

The most important thing to remember is do the best you can with what
you have. If you're not happy with what your hair does, or looks like
naturally there are countless ways to change it. But keep in mind that
none of these things are permanent. Your hair can be one your most
unique features. I always suggest trying to work within the boundries
you've been given rather than trying to break those boundries.

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TOPIC: MSNBC: Petite woman bumped from plane for hefty passenger
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 3:22 am
From: gordon@hammy.burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)

>> The woman, a petite 5-foot-4, 110 pounds ...
>
>For what it's worth, the average height for women in the U.S. is 5 feet 4
>inches, so she's not petite.
>
>> ... because the overweight passenger in question was only 14 and
>> they were trying to spare the teen embarrassment.

What kind of ticket did the teen have? The passenger bumped was
flying standby. I'm guessing that you can't get child-flying-alone
standby tickets. The teen might have been late for a number of
reasons not his fault, such as a connecting flight being late, or
the airline screwed up in getting him to the connecting flight on
time.

>Sparing the teen embarrassment will result in her weighing about three times
>as much when she's 35, just before she dies of diabetic complications and
>cardiovascular disease.

Does it also give him a sex-change operation? The teen in question was
14 and *male*. It's also unclear that much of the embarrassment had
anything to do with his weight.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 4:09 am
From: Mxsmanic

Gordon Burditt writes:

> Does it also give him a sex-change operation? The teen in question was
> 14 and *male*.

All of the sources I've seen refer to the fat teenager as female.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 4:44 am
From: Kurt Ullman

In article <Q9adnTHUAo53Os_RnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@posted.internetamerica>,
gordon@hammy.burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote:

> >Sparing the teen embarrassment will result in her weighing about three times
> >as much when she's 35, just before she dies of diabetic complications and
> >cardiovascular disease.
>
> Does it also give him a sex-change operation? The teen in question was
> 14 and *male*. It's also unclear that much of the embarrassment had
> anything to do with his weight.

There are two empty seats, only one new passenger, but the woman gets
kicked out anyway so the young passenger can have both. How does that
relate to ANYTHING other than weight??

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

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TOPIC: I hope Germany can win this "battle of the bulge"
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 5:58 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 30, 12:48 am, "PepsiFr...@teranews.com"
<bobsyoung...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Which, of course, leads to the discussion/argument of how much ANY
> government should control its citizens.
> "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

It does here in America. Congress voted AGAINST suing the junk food
industry for getting children addicted.

You are either on the side of the predator or the prey.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 8:21 am
From: Opus

On Jul 30, 7:58 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 12:48 am, "PepsiFr...@teranews.com"
>
> <bobsyoung...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Which, of course, leads to the discussion/argument of how much ANY
> > government should control its citizens.
> > "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
>
> It does here in America. Congress voted AGAINST suing the junk food
> industry for getting children addicted.
>
> You are either on the side of the predator or the prey.

BZZZT! Foul on the monkey, binary fallacy, ball back in defense's
court.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 8:46 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 30, 11:21 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 7:58 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 30, 12:48 am, "PepsiFr...@teranews.com"
>
> > <bobsyoung...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Which, of course, leads to the discussion/argument of how much ANY
> > > government should control its citizens.
> > > "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
>
> > It does here in America. Congress voted AGAINST suing the junk food
> > industry for getting children addicted.
>
> > You are either on the side of the predator or the prey.
>
> BZZZT! Foul on the monkey, binary fallacy, ball back in defense's
> court.

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral." -Paulo
Freire

What's all the fuss about lions and monkeys?

While the Rich and Powerful choose the lion as their symbol of power
and exclusiveness, the common people are left without an identity. And
since the poor rely on COOPERATION and CLEVERNESS to survive, their
perfect symbol would be one that shows those characteristics... the
monkey.

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TOPIC: I HACK $2000 FROM PAYPAL
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Using timers to cut back on electric bill
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 6:58 am
From: Alex

Thanks for the great replies...

Actually the idea of using timers came from an episode of Oprah that
aired last night where they interviewed several people who talked
about how they save electricity. One lady reported that her electric
bill went from over $200 to less than $100 just by unplugging
everything she didn't use. I doubt we'll get that kind of return
since I think much of our usage comes from the HVAC system plus the
oven since we cook each morning and night, however if we can use
timers to 'unplug' the vampire devices when we're not home, that would
help to some degree.

I'm trying to mix frugal living with convenience, which is where the
timers come into play. Our entertainment system (TV, cable box, Wii,
and BluRay) all plug into the wall through one power switch, but given
the cable box takes about 3-5 minutes to power-up, that's not ideal
with a 3 year old. This may change in time, but by using the timers
to disconnect power from these devices from say 7:30am to 4:30pm
during the week day plus 11pm to 6am each night, that would disconnect
the devices about 56% of the time. When I get the KillAWatt meter to
test how much they use, this should help. If it's only using $10-$20/
month it may be worth it to just keep them plugged in... not sure. We
also have a second fridge in the garage we're not really using, so I
may look into getting rid of that as well.

Michael, you said I probably got the idea from heating, but honestly I
didn't think about having a timer on the electric water heater until
reading other posts after I posted my comment. As you suggested I'll
need to test how much electricity our hot water heater uses, by
monitoring the meter, but given our hot water heater is in the garage
with Texas summers, it's VERY warm in there most days as it is. I
wonder if a timer would help if we only had it turn on the water
heater from 4am to 6am so the water's warm for AM showers, then again
from 4pm to 6pm so it's warm for evening kids baths, laundry, etc. I
bet with the garage staying as warm as it is, that would help keep the
water warm. Then for winters I could adjust the timer and wrap the
water heater.

Metspitzer, great read on Wiki article, and they actually suggest what
I'm suggesting here by using timers.

And BIll, I didn't think of the light on the power supply using a
large amount of power itself, but I guess it all adds up.

Thanks for the replies -- Alex

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 10:01 am
From: Jeff Thies

Alex wrote:
> Hi Everyone ...
>
> Today Oprah had an episode about frugal living, and one suggestion was
> to unplug most items when not in use. I've known for some time that
> many electrical items like TV, cable box, etc use electricity even
> when off, but while watching the show I started wondering if timers
> could help cut back on how much electricity those devices use.
>
> My thought is this weekend I'll pick-up a Kill-a-watt meter

I bought my KillAWatt P3 not long ago from Radio Shack for $20. There is
a more expensive model that lets you plug in your electric rate, but I
prefer to calculate that myself.

You'll find that modern transformerless devices use little power in
standby. I could read nothing at all from my assorted battery chargers.

You may wish to check before you decide what is worth the nuisance of
turning off.

Jeff

plus a GE
> 7-day plug-in timer, both of which at home depot would be about $45.
> My thought is to gauge how much electricity the things in our
> entertainment center use per hour when not in use (HDTV, cable box,
> BluRay, AppleTV, and Wii) and if I can set the timer to only bring
> power to these devices say from 4:30pm to 11pm M-F then change the
> weekend schedule as needed, this would cut the usage by a large
> percentage. Then I could do the same for the cable modem/router and
> even the microwave in the house.
>
> Has anyone investigated doing something like this? They just
> installed a Smartmeter at our house, so hopefully soon we'll be able
> to see how much electricity our house uses in 15 minute intervals
> anytime.
>
> Thanks for any advice...
>
> Alex

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 5:24 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"Alex" <samalex@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6eb4258-ec79-4da6-bc16-197f32310948@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Everyone ...
>
> Today Oprah had an episode about frugal living, and one suggestion was
> to unplug most items when not in use. I've known for some time that
> many electrical items like TV, cable box, etc use electricity even
> when off, but while watching the show I started wondering if timers
> could help cut back on how much electricity those devices use.
>
> My thought is this weekend I'll pick-up a Kill-a-watt meter plus a GE
> 7-day plug-in timer, both of which at home depot would be about $45.
> My thought is to gauge how much electricity the things in our
> entertainment center use per hour when not in use (HDTV, cable box,
> BluRay, AppleTV, and Wii) and if I can set the timer to only bring
> power to these devices say from 4:30pm to 11pm M-F then change the
> weekend schedule as needed, this would cut the usage by a large
> percentage. Then I could do the same for the cable modem/router and
> even the microwave in the house.
>
> Has anyone investigated doing something like this? They just
> installed a Smartmeter at our house, so hopefully soon we'll be able
> to see how much electricity our house uses in 15 minute intervals
> anytime.
>
> Thanks for any advice...
>
> Alex

Home depot and their ilk usually put timers on sale around Xmas selling time
cause people buy Xmas lights and fake trees.

Ask your local government or power ultitiy for rebates. They may give one
for use of timers. They do around here once a year.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 6:18 pm
From: Vandy Terre

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Alex <samalex@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi Everyone ...
>
>Today Oprah had an episode about frugal living, and one suggestion was
>to unplug most items when not in use. I've known for some time that
>many electrical items like TV, cable box, etc use electricity even
>when off, but while watching the show I started wondering if timers
>could help cut back on how much electricity those devices use.
>
>My thought is this weekend I'll pick-up a Kill-a-watt meter plus a GE
>7-day plug-in timer, both of which at home depot would be about $45.
>My thought is to gauge how much electricity the things in our
>entertainment center use per hour when not in use (HDTV, cable box,
>BluRay, AppleTV, and Wii) and if I can set the timer to only bring
>power to these devices say from 4:30pm to 11pm M-F then change the
>weekend schedule as needed, this would cut the usage by a large
>percentage. Then I could do the same for the cable modem/router and
>even the microwave in the house.
>
>Has anyone investigated doing something like this? They just
>installed a Smartmeter at our house, so hopefully soon we'll be able
>to see how much electricity our house uses in 15 minute intervals
>anytime.
>
>Thanks for any advice...
>
>Alex

Why not just do meter checks at various times of the day? Walking out to the
meter and making a pencil and paper record is cheaper.

For some real fun, turn everything off and check the meter for movement.
Amazing how many appliances have a 'ghost' draw. Not just the television, but
the washer/ dryer/ dishwasher can also have the 'ghost' draw.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 7:19 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"Vandy Terre" <vandy@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote in message
news:68u656lj7k377ar4etql1boct77ntjqajm@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Alex <samalex@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Why not just do meter checks at various times of the day? Walking out to
> the
> meter and making a pencil and paper record is cheaper.
>
> For some real fun, turn everything off and check the meter for movement.
> Amazing how many appliances have a 'ghost' draw. Not just the television,
> but
> the washer/ dryer/ dishwasher can also have the 'ghost' draw.

Interesting observation and you raised something to consider: We just
bought 5 new appliances for delivery in September. The Washer, Dryer and
Dishwasher all have electronic controls and timers. No mechanical dials or
switches. Stoves have been like that for years. We got a gas stove but
the ignitors are electronic with leds. The self cleaning is electronically
locking with a push of a button.

Gotta wonder what the ghost draw on all this "efficient" appliance stuff.

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TOPIC: What if 20 Million Illegals left
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 8:16 am
From: "Sure,Not"

On Jul 29, 11:08 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 8:08 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <tripletask@gmail..com> wrote in message
>
> >news:tsr056hrg5nvo0bt5dq3s91jmlpi04u8t5@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:37 -0400, No Surren...@never.net wrote:
>
> > >>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>
> > >>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
>
> > If they left California, our budget problems -- $10 Billion deficit -- would
> > be gone tomorrow. I have trouble understanding the down side of that.
>
> No it wouldn't. To fix the deficits in all states you'd have to
> convert all government workers' and teachers' defined pensions to
> 401K's. It's the pensions.

That is certainly a big part of it.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:14 am
From: "Jeff Strickland"

"edspyhill01" <edspyhill01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:99802fba-c94b-4856-809e-01f7d901c0b8@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 29, 8:08 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <tripletask@gmail..com> wrote in message
>
> news:tsr056hrg5nvo0bt5dq3s91jmlpi04u8t5@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:37 -0400, No Surren...@never.net wrote:
>
> >>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>
> >>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
>
> If they left California, our budget problems -- $10 Billion deficit --
> would
> be gone tomorrow. I have trouble understanding the down side of that.
>

No it wouldn't. To fix the deficits in all states you'd have to
convert all government workers' and teachers' defined pensions to
401K's. It's the pensions.

<JS>
That's only partly true. Actually, it's entirely true that the pensions need
to be fixed, but I'm not so sure about the 401(k)s. 401(k) need to be fixed
to protect the participant's interests, but they aren't part of the budget
problems in so much as they represent a burden for the state.

But Illegal Immigration costs California $10 BILLION per year. That's 10
with a shit load of zeros on the end. Illegal immigration is exactly HALF of
the budget deficit this year, and last year, and the year before, and in all
likelihood next year and the year after.

Illegal immigrants represent about 2% of the state population, yet they are
about 25% of the prison population. That's a problem. A very costly problem.
I don't mean to paint all illegals as criminals because clearly they are
not -- beyond the crime of being an illegal immigrant that is.

They come here and work hard, if they can find a job. I work in
construction, and it's difficult to keep pace with the Mexicans on the job,
but they draw low wages and sap public services as a result. And since they
are paid under the table, or off the books, or however you wish to
characterize it, they do not pay taxes on the income they get. They do pay
rent somewhere, and the landlord pays property tax on the property so there
is some tax revenue, but illegals do not directly pay taxes other than Sales
Tax when they purchase goods and services. But they use public health care
that cost far more than the sales tax revenues they generate. They have kids
in schools that cost far more than the property tax revenues that are
generated. The cost of illegals in the prison system is extraordinary, I
believe it costs about $70,000 per year per inmate. Illegal immigration is a
net-cost to the state, not a net-benefit.

</JS>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 10:52 am
From: edspyhill01

On Jul 30, 12:14 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "edspyhill01" <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:99802fba-c94b-4856-809e-01f7d901c0b8@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 29, 8:08 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <tripletask@gmail..com> wrote in message
>
> >news:tsr056hrg5nvo0bt5dq3s91jmlpi04u8t5@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:37 -0400, No Surren...@never.net wrote:
>
> > >>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>
> > >>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
>
> > If they left California, our budget problems -- $10 Billion deficit --
> > would
> > be gone tomorrow. I have trouble understanding the down side of that.
>
> No it wouldn't. To fix the deficits in all states you'd have to
> convert all government workers' and teachers' defined pensions to
> 401K's. It's the pensions.
>
> <JS>
> That's only partly true. Actually, it's entirely true that the pensions need
> to be fixed, but I'm not so sure about the 401(k)s. 401(k) need to be fixed
> to protect the participant's interests, but they aren't part of the budget
> problems in so much as they represent a burden for the state.
>
> But Illegal Immigration costs California $10 BILLION per year. That's 10
> with a shit load of zeros on the end. Illegal immigration is exactly HALF of
> the budget deficit this year, and last year, and the year before, and in all
> likelihood next year and the year after.
>
> Illegal immigrants represent about 2% of the state population, yet they are
> about 25% of the prison population. That's a problem. A very costly problem.
> I don't mean to paint all illegals as criminals because clearly they are
> not -- beyond the crime of being an illegal immigrant that is.
>
> They come here and work hard, if they can find a job. I work in
> construction, and it's difficult to keep pace with the Mexicans on the job,
> but they draw low wages and sap public services as a result. And since they
> are paid under the table, or off the books, or however you wish to
> characterize it, they do not pay taxes on the income they get. They do pay
> rent somewhere, and the landlord pays property tax on the property so there
> is some tax revenue, but illegals do not directly pay taxes other than Sales
> Tax when they purchase goods and services. But they use public health care
> that cost far more than the sales tax revenues they generate. They have kids
> in schools that cost far more than the property tax revenues that are
> generated. The cost of illegals in the prison system is extraordinary, I
> believe it costs about $70,000 per year per inmate. Illegal immigration is a
> net-cost to the state, not a net-benefit.
>
> </JS>

I think we have found common ground.

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TOPIC: The Adam & Eve the Vatican doesn't want you to know about
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 10:13 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

(You may be wondering what Adam & Eve have to do with our disastrous
transportation system... Well, poor planning may account for the
events that led to Eve taking the bite)

This is a logical, rational, impassioned look at A&E...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHZsleyKons

Isn't it awesome? Adam "tries" but he's rejected by Eve who elopes
with the Serpent. What is Eve doing with the Serpent she couldn't do
with Adam?

We may never know but rumors abound.

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Never trust the serpent or politicians"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

http://webspawner.com/users/FARTFORPEACE (the "light" way to do
something)

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TOPIC: learn how to use coupons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/aeb8e42a23868d01?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 2:50 pm
From: Steve S

If your not using coupons than your paying to much. Learn how to use
online coupons and where to get them. Plus great tips to help you save
more money when you shop.http://www.sjsonline.net/how-to-use-coupons

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 5:37 pm
From: Patricia Martin Steward

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:50:31 -0700 (PDT), Steve S
<sjsindustries@aol.com> wrote:

>If your not using coupons than your paying to much.

So much ignorance, so little time.

--
No matter how hard you try to put ribbons on some
road apples, it is still a bunch of horse manure.
-comadrejo

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TOPIC: Riding a bike in London is risky business
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 3:39 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

My sources in London (Yahoo News) tell me that such is the nature of
riding a bike in London. But things are relative and not black and
white, and probably riding a bike in Miami or NYC is far more
dangerous.

London though is launching 6,000 bikes and it may see some peace after
the initial mayhem. Is it really that bad? Here they kill you for
giving the finger. What it would be like to ride a bike in
Afghanistan? Or will it be more deadly to ride an SUV?

LONDON – Feel like living dangerously?

Riding a bike in London will soon be more convenient, though it's
unlikely to be any less scary. Riders already dodge the city's famed
black cabs and double-decker buses — to say nothing of other cyclists.

A bike rental program launched Friday by London's Mayor Boris Johnson
will add an additional 6,000 bikes to the capital's congested streets.
Under the initiative, cyclists will be able to rent bikes from 400
docking stations around town.

Johnson called it "a new dawn for the bicycle in the capital" — but
veterans of the London cycling scene are bracing for a new era of
transit mayhem.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_re_eu/eu_biking_in_london

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"The jungle is a very dangerous place to be for the unwise"

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

(the revolution starts with the turning of a wheel and the bipedal
monkey)

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TOPIC: The Nation of Aztlan calls for the removal of whites from North America
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1d157a202de4cc43?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 6:32 pm
From: Curt

On Jul 27, 12:23 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT), Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 26, 1:20 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> >> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> >> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> >> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
> >> Gunner Asch
>
> >Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it
> >is true that most stupid people are conservative.
> >John Stuart Mill
>
> >Curt
>
> You do know that the terms "liberal/conservative" were reversed in the
> early 20th century, are you not?
>
> When Mills penned that...the Right Wing were considered "liberals"

Oh my heavens, no no no. You've been listening to the wrong radio
shows. Try reading a book or something -- you're just all goofered up.
What composes the current right wing is in no way anything like what
classical liberalism is all about. You've just been fibbed to, is all.
Probably not your fault -- you don't sound very discerning.

>
> Which indeed shows that Mills did have his ducks in a row, as shown by
> your postings.
>
> You "new Liberals" are well known to be both mentally ill, and pond
> scum.

Calling names is a sign you're losing an argument. I bet you call
names a lot.

BTW it's "Mill", not "Mills".

Curt

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TOPIC: Facebook hacker
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/178da35874905dfb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:09 pm
From: John Savage

noel888 <harri85274@aol.com> writes:
>I was duped into joining Facebook by a hacker. It looked completely
>ligit. Now after losing $100 , the hacker's facebook site is gone. So
>that confirms to me that i have been hacked. I would like to remove my
>info and everything from Facebook, but there is no contact on how to
>do this on their site. Does anyone here know how i can get out if?
>Thanks

How does one "lose" $100 by joining Facebook? Did you pay $100 to join?
It's free, so I'm mystified how someone can lose money just by joining.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

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TOPIC: Rice cooker which switches to OFF
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0e8d6a586e358bd3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:10 pm
From: John Savage

"Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> writes:
References:
<2336e6a9-9d6b-450a-8f59-0ff07db96190@w15g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
<3d1a9b6d-d113-42da-9007-77ff498fec0d@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
<i1nsn9$4vm$1@news.albasani.net>

> > On Jul 13, 10:22 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
> >>
> >> I need one which shuts off.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?

>Is there something wrong with a pot on the stovetop?

Need the gas low to cook slowly using the absorption method. This means
the flame will sometimes go out (supply pressure fluctuates).
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

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