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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 1:00 am
From: shiv shankar

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TOPIC: WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 7:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 2:18 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
>
>
>
> > I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> > sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> > UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> > Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> > traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> > lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> > share the lane.
>
> > If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> > lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> > We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> > you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> > --------------------------------------------------
>
> > "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.

Maybe. That sounds like a bargain.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 7:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 18, 8:13 pm, Joe <jfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 1:53 pm, dali_70 <w_e_coyot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 12:45 pm, Joe <jfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > You are stupid, monkey. You need an infusion of human blood.
>
> > > For the record, I am a faithful Catholic, and global warming is an
> > > inevitable consequence of human activity on the Planet. Motion
> > > creates heat. Anyone who denies Global Warming is an idiot. The only
> > > question is, how serious of a problem is it at present? That is a
> > > question on which even the scientists are divided.
>
> > Among evangelicals, fundamentalist's, and other right wing
> > conservative christians, he's spot on. they tend to deny global
> > warming, evolution, the big bang and just about everything else that
> > contradicts their religion or the GOP & it's corporate propaganda of
> > the day.
>
> > I've noticed that among Catholics, even the one's who describe
> > themselves as republican or conservative, tend to go along with the
> > science on things like global warming, evolution and the big bang.
>
> > As for how serious a problem it is at the present, I'd say it's pretty
> > damn serious. It's an exponential problem, the longer we wait the
> > worse it's going to be, and the harder it's going to be to correct, if
> > thats even possible.
>
> So what's your plan?

We can choose to drive an SUV or ride a humble bicycle to the market.

One of the choices is wise.

I just got a new folding bike and went to Target on it. People were
wondering how we folded them and stuck it in the shopping cart. It was
in Orlando, wide sidewalks and no pedestrians. It just proves that
SMALLER IS BETTER, a key component of the Wisdom of the Jungle.

Thought of the day:

"FRUGALITY IS A NEW REALITY."

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 7:59 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 7:39 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> > prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
> >> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >> share the lane.
>
> >> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>
> >>http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> > How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
> > to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> > largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
> and natural gas).

Hey, if that is what it takes to be entitled to the TRAFFIC LANE so be
it.

Some training and certification may be required so the stupid monkeys
don't get on the road like that. I'm referring, of course, to the wild
riders on sidewalks endangering pedestrians.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 8:25 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 9:27 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, T m Sherm n _ > wrote:
> >> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> >>> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> >>> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
> >>>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >>>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >>>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >>>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >>>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >>>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >>>> share the lane.
>
> >>>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >>>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >>>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >>>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>
> >>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> >>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
> >>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> >>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> >> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
> >> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
> >> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
> >> and natural gas).
>
> > There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
> > roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
> > nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.
>
> Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous

Depends what you define as a "cyclist"...

I've given instructions to my chain of command to issue the following
licenses to cyclists:

A- Lycra-clad, above 20mph
B- Casual clothing, but in the range of 15-20mph, single speeds are
often found here
C- Practical cycling, 10-15mph and racks are common place
D- Folding bikes, at home on sidewalks

E- The casual ones or kids
F- Those failures riding on sidewalks and proud of it

A,B,C are entitled to the traffic lane.
D,E,F need sidewalks or bike lanes or paths.

In case it matters, I'm in the C,D category -and proud of it.

I do this in my capacity of "Comandante Banana, King of the Apes" and
not Wise TibetanMonkey.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 8:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 17, 10:00 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:01:40 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"T m Sherm nT _ " <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
> >messagenews:ieehnh$3c9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
> >>> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]
>
> >> Arabs are Semites also.
>
> >Everyone in the world knows what is meant by anti-Semite ... except you.
>
> >> Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
> >> of the U.S. are traitors.
>
> >Our interests are in tandem with those of Israel. Everyone but anti-Semites
> >know that.
>
> >Regards,
>
> >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >aka
> >Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> Not my interests Ed, and probably not yours unless you are quite
> wealthy. My interests are not the same as those of the ruling class.
> There is a great American hero, US Marine Corps Maj General Smedley
> Butler, who knew this first hand. You probably haven't heard of him,
> even though he was awarded the Medal of Honor in two different wars,
> as well as the Brevet (highest award for a Marine). He said that the
> wealthiest Americans know that they can make more investing overseas
> than here, and the soldiers go abroad to protect those investments.
> Not to keep us safe Ed.
>
> Here's a direct quote:
>
> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for
> Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
> racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and
> especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped
> make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to
> collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
> American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify
> Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in
> 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American
> sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American
> fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that
> Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might
> have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate
> his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
>
> The reason that the US is hated around the world is because of things
> that we have done, such as overthrowing elected governments that
> impeded the flow of profits to the wealthy. Iran, Iraq, every country
> in Central and South America, and the entire mideast. There is a
> certain blowback from that kind of thing, and terrorism is one of
> those.

Yep, I'm afraid Ed is a CAPITALIST PIG.

"Oink, Oink"

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 8:49 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 18, 9:12 am, Peter Cole <peter_c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 9:27 PM, T m Sherm n _ > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> >> On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, T m Sherm n _ > wrote:
> >>> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> >>>> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> >>>> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
> >>>>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >>>>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >>>>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >>>>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >>>>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >>>>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >>>>> share the lane.
>
> >>>>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >>>>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >>>>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >>>>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>
> >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> >>>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
> >>>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> >>>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> >>> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
> >>> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
> >>> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
> >>> and natural gas).
>
> >> There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
> >> roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
> >> nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.
>
> > Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
> > prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.
>
> We can't have both?

Good point. Yes, we can have both. There's no exclusion. We may also
have cyclists ride outside the bike lane if they wished.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 6:32 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before
the end of times" <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:008bec72-d9fa-4cad-95e8-9fa842d11481@39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Yep, I'm afraid Ed is a CAPITALIST PIG.

> "Oink, Oink"

The first thing I learned many years ago when I came to these cycling
newsgroups was that most members were liberals, if not socialists. This is
not true in the real world of cycling. It is only true on Usenet. In any
event, it has been my pleasure to kick their sorry asses ever since.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 3:54 pm
From: poopsee2

This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.

Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.

If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.

I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 4:57 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 12/19/10 15:54, poopsee2 wrote:

> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
> order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.
>
> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
> will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.
>
> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
>
> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.

Everybody charges extra for various coatings, which may or may not be
worthwhile. Zenni's minimum price is $7+$5 shipping per order, and they
tell you about any extra costs before you finalize your order. They
emailed me back a couple of times to make sure that what I'd ordered is
what I actually wanted, which I think is extremely thoughtful. Glasses
came in about 2 weeks. The cheap frames I selected have those nice
spring-hinges and are similar in quality to regular brick+mortar frames.
I paid no attention (at either place!) to the expensive 'designer'
frames, but brand names may mean a lot to you -- or not. Remember,
they're all made in China anyway.

Be sure your prescription is good, though. They take your word for it,
and your optometrist might not have been accurate -- sometimes it's a
real bitch telling the difference between 1, 2, and 'same'.

http://www.zennioptical.com/

--
Cheers, Bev
=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=
"Sure, everyone's in favor of saving Hitler's brain, but when
you put it into the body of a great white shark, suddenly
you're a madman." --Futurama

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 5:16 pm
From: Metspitzer

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:57:17 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/19/10 15:54, poopsee2 wrote:
>
>> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
>> order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.
>>
>> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
>> will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.
>>
>> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
>>
>> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.
>
>Everybody charges extra for various coatings, which may or may not be
>worthwhile. Zenni's minimum price is $7+$5 shipping per order, and they
>tell you about any extra costs before you finalize your order. They
>emailed me back a couple of times to make sure that what I'd ordered is
>what I actually wanted, which I think is extremely thoughtful. Glasses
>came in about 2 weeks. The cheap frames I selected have those nice
>spring-hinges and are similar in quality to regular brick+mortar frames.
> I paid no attention (at either place!) to the expensive 'designer'
>frames, but brand names may mean a lot to you -- or not. Remember,
>they're all made in China anyway.
>
>Be sure your prescription is good, though. They take your word for it,
>and your optometrist might not have been accurate -- sometimes it's a
>real bitch telling the difference between 1, 2, and 'same'.
>
I just had my eyes tested. The difference between 1 and 2 is not as
important as if you can read the tiny line they show you at the end.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 5:51 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 12/19/10 17:16, Metspitzer wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:57:17 -0800, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 12/19/10 15:54, poopsee2 wrote:
>>
>>> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
>>> order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.
>>>
>>> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
>>> will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.
>>>
>>> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
>>>
>>> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.
>>
>>Everybody charges extra for various coatings, which may or may not be
>>worthwhile. Zenni's minimum price is $7+$5 shipping per order, and they
>>tell you about any extra costs before you finalize your order. They
>>emailed me back a couple of times to make sure that what I'd ordered is
>>what I actually wanted, which I think is extremely thoughtful. Glasses
>>came in about 2 weeks. The cheap frames I selected have those nice
>>spring-hinges and are similar in quality to regular brick+mortar frames.
>> I paid no attention (at either place!) to the expensive 'designer'
>>frames, but brand names may mean a lot to you -- or not. Remember,
>>they're all made in China anyway.
>>
>>Be sure your prescription is good, though. They take your word for it,
>>and your optometrist might not have been accurate -- sometimes it's a
>>real bitch telling the difference between 1, 2, and 'same'.
>>
> I just had my eyes tested. The difference between 1 and 2 is not as
> important as if you can read the tiny line they show you at the end.

I can NEVER read that line. Apparently some uncorrectable astigmatism.
Shit happens.

--
Cheers, Bev
*****************************************************************
"Why does everybody always forget the eigthth dwarf? Just because
poor old Lumpy died of cancer doesn't mean he should be written
out of history." -- RMassey

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 7:09 pm
From: Derald

poopsee2 <poopsee2@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
>will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.
>
>If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
Federal standards specify a minimum impact resistance but
tempering for increased resistance, UV coating (not necessary for
glass lenses), scratch resistive and anti-reflective coatings
typically are additional, although, they may be included in the price
in competitive markets, especially, if you make it clear the charges
are a deal-breaker. It pays to shop around. The frames are the
profit-makers in that industry and it will pay you to educate yourself
in the hallmarks of quality frames in order not to be duped into
buying shoddy "fashion" frames that will not remain in proper
alignment over time.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 9:00 pm
From: Tru Dat

In article <iem5vh$u1o$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
poopsee2 <poopsee2@yahoo.com> wrote:

I Googled , Eye Exercises and found out sometimes you can do w/o them
damn glasses altogether. see, Vision Improvement.
Yes, I now no longer need glasses.
--
Karma, What a concept!

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 9:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

poopsee2 wrote

> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
> order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.

There are plenty of other cheap glasses sites which dont do that.

> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings will all lenses

That is just plain wrong.

> and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.

Nope, they are desirable but optional.

Certainly with cheap glasses, you can make a case for not bothering with either.

> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.

That varys with how you treat your glasses with the anti scratch coating.
If you are very careful with them, and always wash the lenses with cold
water before cleaning them, there is no point in the anti scratch coating.

On the other hand, you can certainly make a case for an anti scratch
coating so you dont have to wash the lenses before cleaning them.

The UV coating obviously is useless if they are only reading glasses etc.

> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 9:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev wrote
> poopsee2 wrote

>> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I
>> tried to order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and
>> anti-scratch coating.

>> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings will all lenses and this is just a gimmick
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>> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.

>> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.

> Everybody charges extra for various coatings,

No they dont, some include them for free.

> which may or may not be worthwhile. Zenni's minimum price is $7+$5 shipping per order, and they tell you about any
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> They emailed me back a couple of times to make sure that what I'd ordered is what I actually wanted, which I think is
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> thoughtful. Glasses came in about 2 weeks. The cheap frames I
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> regular brick+mortar frames. I paid no attention (at either place!)
> to the expensive 'designer' frames, but brand names may mean a lot to you -- or not. Remember, they're all made in
> China anyway.

> Be sure your prescription is good, though. They take your word for
> it, and your optometrist might not have been accurate -- sometimes
> it's a real bitch telling the difference between 1, 2, and 'same'.

> http://www.zennioptical.com/

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