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Thursday, December 23, 2010

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Today's topics:

* KARO HOT MASTI PHOTOS&VIDEOS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3a58f4ea1eaf3808?hl=en
* Lost $152 on Trafone service renewal - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6d1408373168760d?hl=en
* Would you sleep with a Swedish woman? - 11 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/043f09f5a0f23fb2?hl=en
* Is People Afraid of the Truth? - 4 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b04879810a6cd83e?hl=en
* Sending out lots of ' E ' Christmas Cards - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/dfc50eaef5c67bd2?hl=en
* The Middle East is our backyard - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a684f22d7fa69689?hl=en
* free shippingpaypal payment wholesale CLOTHING jacket and hoody(Franklin
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armani,polo,poul smith and so on)/http://www.24hour-buy.com/ - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3ca5038c177a1c2c?hl=en

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TOPIC: KARO HOT MASTI PHOTOS&VIDEOS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3a58f4ea1eaf3808?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 8:57 pm
From: RHANI

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TOPIC: Lost $152 on Trafone service renewal
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6d1408373168760d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 5:04 am
From: " Terri Smith"

>
> FWIW, I have spent many hours on the phone trying to resolve this.
> Years
> ago TF would have fixed this. Not sure whats changed but even the call
> center folks seem upset that they don't have authority to fix this.
>
> Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to
> make a call.

That's ridiculous. If I were you, I would sue TF in small claims court.

=================================

Actually I called my credit card company - Visa.. Visa asked me to stay on
the phone. They said they had a special phone number & a code that would
cut through the delay. They did get what sounded like an office in the U.S.
and the TF person agreed to get right on it while we were on the phone.
Then they told Visa they could not get through to the department that could
fix the problem and would have to get back to them. In yesterday's mail I
got a letter from Visa saying TF did not respond. They credited my account
with the $152.

This reinforces why I posted the original note as a warning. TF had been a
good company in the past but something is clearly broken. Consumer be
warned!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 12:40 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:04:04 -0500, " Terri Smith" <ts8 at soalex.us>
wrote:

>
>>
>> FWIW, I have spent many hours on the phone trying to resolve this.
>> Years
>> ago TF would have fixed this. Not sure whats changed but even the call
>> center folks seem upset that they don't have authority to fix this.
>>
>> Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to
>> make a call.
>
>That's ridiculous. If I were you, I would sue TF in small claims court.
>
>=================================
>
>Actually I called my credit card company - Visa.. Visa asked me to stay on
>the phone. They said they had a special phone number & a code that would
>cut through the delay. They did get what sounded like an office in the U.S.
>and the TF person agreed to get right on it while we were on the phone.
>Then they told Visa they could not get through to the department that could
>fix the problem and would have to get back to them. In yesterday's mail I
>got a letter from Visa saying TF did not respond. They credited my account
>with the $152.
>
>This reinforces why I posted the original note as a warning. TF had been a
>good company in the past but something is clearly broken. Consumer be
>warned!
>

Also shows how using a CC can easily get your money back in this type
of dispute.

--Vic

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 1:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Vic Smith wrote
> Terri Smith <ts8 at soalex.us> wrote

>>>> FWIW, I have spent many hours on the phone trying to resolve this.
>>>> Years ago TF would have fixed this. Not sure whats changed but even
>>>> the call center folks seem upset that they don't have authority to fix this.

>>>> Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to make a call.

>>> That's ridiculous. If I were you, I would sue TF in small claims court.

>> Actually I called my credit card company - Visa.. Visa asked me to
>> stay on the phone. They said they had a special phone number & a
>> code that would cut through the delay. They did get what sounded
>> like an office in the U.S. and the TF person agreed to get right on
>> it while we were on the phone. Then they told Visa they could not
>> get through to the department that could fix the problem and would
>> have to get back to them. In yesterday's mail I got a letter from Visa
>> saying TF did not respond. They credited my account with the $152.

>> This reinforces why I posted the original note as a warning. TF had
>> been a good company in the past but something is clearly broken.
>> Consumer be warned!

> Also shows how using a CC can easily get your money back in this type of dispute.

And a hell of a lot easier to use than the small claims court too.

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TOPIC: Would you sleep with a Swedish woman?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/043f09f5a0f23fb2?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 5:19 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 22, 9:54 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 5:36 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> prophet of the last days before the end of times"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Not me! I did with a Norwegian woman and it was fun --not that I want
> > to brag about it--* but I wouldn't with a Swedish woman, not because
> > she's Swedish, just because the casual disregard of the Swedish
> > authorities for the rights of men and political dissidents.
>
> You're punishing Swedish women by not sleeping with them because of
> the Swedish government?! I don't think they're going to lose much
> sleep over that. You got to stop eating those monkey brains. It's not
> good for you.

Wait a minute, if all the monkeys coordinate something together --this
is being posted throughout Europe & Africa-- and we boycott Swedish
women they may grow fatally bored and turn their resentment on the
government.

Do we have any other means to make them react? ;)

Well, I know one: Giving the Swedish government very bad PR.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 5:31 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 22, 11:38 pm, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 11:24 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > I charge TM with being the greatest asshole bore ever to infest Usenet. But
> > I can't help feeling sorry for the poor crazy bastard. After all, he doesn't
> > know any better, being the imbecile that he is. Folks, you cannot learn to
> > be this stupid, you have to be born to it.
>
> > TM needs to confine himself to just a couple of threads at most since all he
> > ever does is just post the same old shit over and over. It is also
> > incredibly stupid of him to think that anyone in this day and age is going
> > to relate to his animal metaphors. Where does such stupidity come from?
>
> > The most absurd of all his posts are his religious rants. My God, this poor
> > benighted moron is way too stupid to ever grasp anything as abstract as
> > religion. I think he might be able to grasp a monkey's ass and/or cock, but
> > surely that is it.
>
> > TM is nothing but a poor crazy bastard and if anyone wants to put him out of
> > his misery, he will have my blessing. But surely there is some motorist in
> > Florida who will accommodate us. And the sooner the better!
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Since you are allowed to bear arms in the US, why don't you challenge
> the TM to a gun fight? As long as one of you gets killed, then we in
> the rest of the World won't have to put up with this rubbish any more!

I will win. Good triumphs over Evil.

Besides, who else will deliver the goods but the Wisdom of the Jungle.
You know the problem with bicycles goes much deeper than it seems and
it boils down to Wall Street and Big Oil, don't you?

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 7:33 am
From: TopBassDog

On Dec 21, 11:16 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 1:44 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> the deep jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Not me! I did with a Norwegian woman and it was fun --not that I want
> > to brag about it--* but I wouldn't with a Swedish woman, not because
> > she's Swedish, just because the casual disregard of the Swedish
> > authorities for the rights of men and political dissidents. We all
> > know Assange is trying to clean the world jungle, but the Swedish just
> > buckle under pressure from the big predators.
>
> I would sleep with a Swedish woman, especially if she looked like the
> blonde one (Agnetha) in Abba.

Pussy is pussy regardless of nationality.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 10:43 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 10:33 am, TopBassDog <topbass...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 11:16 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 21, 1:44 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> > the deep jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Not me! I did with a Norwegian woman and it was fun --not that I want
> > > to brag about it--* but I wouldn't with a Swedish woman, not because
> > > she's Swedish, just because the casual disregard of the Swedish
> > > authorities for the rights of men and political dissidents. We all
> > > know Assange is trying to clean the world jungle, but the Swedish just
> > > buckle under pressure from the big predators.
>
> > I would sleep with a Swedish woman, especially if she looked like the
> > blonde one (Agnetha) in Abba.
>
> Pussy is pussy regardless of nationality.

Oh no, Scandinavian pussy goes with nice looks and body. And they are
hot, maybe due to the cold and the mild temperament of the guys. Women
like Italians and Spanish, and of course, blacks.

But they have the best political system in the world.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:14 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Derek C" <del.copeland@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5fbff4fc-cf89-4bf8-bd97-ad0ee268569f@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 21, 11:24 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
> I charge TM with being the greatest asshole bore ever to infest Usenet.
> But
> I can't help feeling sorry for the poor crazy bastard. After all, he
> doesn't
> know any better, being the imbecile that he is. Folks, you cannot learn to
> be this stupid, you have to be born to it.
>
> TM needs to confine himself to just a couple of threads at most since all
> he
> ever does is just post the same old shit over and over. It is also
> incredibly stupid of him to think that anyone in this day and age is going
> to relate to his animal metaphors. Where does such stupidity come from?
>
> The most absurd of all his posts are his religious rants. My God, this
> poor
> benighted moron is way too stupid to ever grasp anything as abstract as
> religion. I think he might be able to grasp a monkey's ass and/or cock,
> but
> surely that is it.
>
> TM is nothing but a poor crazy bastard and if anyone wants to put him out
> of
> his misery, he will have my blessing. But surely there is some motorist in
> Florida who will accommodate us. And the sooner the better!

>> Since you are allowed to bear arms in the US, why don't you challenge
the TM to a gun fight? As long as one of you gets killed, then we in
the rest of the World won't have to put up with this rubbish any more!

You miss my point entirely. TM REALLY is a poor crazy bastard. I am NOT
exaggerating. If you can't see it, then you are as crazy as he is.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:17 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
>Oh no, Scandinavian pussy goes with nice looks and body. And they are
hot, maybe due to the cold and the mild temperament of the guys. Women
like Italians and Spanish, and of course, blacks.

> But they have the best political system in the world.

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:21 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Burr" <pitzpho@iwvisp.com> wrote in message
news:WKadnaJDyMrqX4_QnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@iwvisp.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

> Dolan, you tell us you are a man of God and you say something like that!
>
> Maybe we all need to Pray For You that lightning won't hit you.

TM needs to be terminated. Only morons like you would say otherwise.

>> I pray every day that a motorist will run you over and kill you dead. We
>> need you on these newsgroups like we need another hole in our heads.
>>
>> Fucking Regards
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 4:33 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

(Would you Ed, or you got into Masturbation for Peace?)

On Dec 23, 7:19 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 5:16 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Do we have any other means to make them react? ;)
>
> The issue is with the government, not the masses.

That's the problem with democracy, which is meant to be government by
"the people," and when the governments fucks up you got no one to
blame. I say the sheep who vote are responsible as much as the
government.

Didn't Bush win with the support of "the people" the second time
around? Why don't they make plain and naked tyranny, to avoid the bad
PR?

Democracies in the West stand pretty naked anyway.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 4:40 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f803fed8-7f38-4d28-927f-5beac6f34d6b@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> (Would you Ed, or you got into Masturbation for Peace?)

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

> That's the problem with democracy, which is meant to be government by
> "the people," and when the governments fucks up you got no one to
> blame. I say the sheep who vote are responsible as much as the
> government.

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

> Didn't Bush win with the support of "the people" the second time
> around? Why don't they make plain and naked tyranny, to avoid the bad
> PR?

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

> Democracies in the West stand pretty naked anyway.

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 4:55 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 7:33 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> (Would you Ed, or you got into Masturbation for Peace?)
>
> On Dec 23, 7:19 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 23, 5:16 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> > the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Do we have any other means to make them react? ;)
>
> > The issue is with the government, not the masses.
>
> That's the problem with democracy, which is meant to be government by
> "the people," and when the governments fucks up you got no one to
> blame. I say the sheep who vote are responsible as much as the
> government.
>
> Didn't Bush win with the support of "the people" the second time
> around? Why don't they make plain and naked tyranny, to avoid the bad
> PR?
>
> Democracies in the West stand pretty naked anyway.

The moment of truth, yes or no?

Would you use condom?

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 6:25 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey,

> Would you use condom?

Put a condom on your mouth, you freaking shithead!

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: Is People Afraid of the Truth?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b04879810a6cd83e?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 6:54 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 9:07 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 22, 11:12 am, "davenort...@gmail.com" <davenort...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Currently, in many quarters, Christianity is updating its theology
> > in light of New and Old Testament studies as well as modern science.
>
> > In this regard, there is a tendency to regard much of scripture as
> > symbolic or metaphorical. Of coarse, the Devil is now correctly
> > downgraded from a reality to a representation of the human experience
> > of evil in life. Including suffering, temptation etc.
>
> > To my mind, certain types of evil such as world wars are so horrendous
> > that the human mind is pushed beyond factual description to symbolic
> > and poetic language, for example myth. What else can you do when you
> > affirm God is all powerful and all good and the evil encountered seems to
> > strongly counter that faith. So, though I've long ago abandoned belief in
> > the Devil, I can readily understand why our forbears believed in a real
> > Devil roaming the world to tempt and to destroy. Something the uneducated
> > non-scientific masses of the middle and ancient ages could believe. And, at
> > the same time, the heat was taken off the Church and theologians because
> > the Devil, not God, "did it."
>
> So, in your mind, it makes perfect sense that ancient uneducated
> people anthropomorphized pain and suffering, but joy and peace come
> from a real being, no anthropomorphism here... Why the dichotomy?
>
> Come on, you are so close!
> One down, one to go!

I don't think he'll take the jump because many people are afraid of
the truth. Many people actually hide from it if it threatens their
lifestyle or requires some major mental overhaul. The most they dare
is a tuneup. ;)

Same point is demonstrated with Assange. Many people are simply afraid
of the truth for the same reasons. "What will happen if I must see the
ugly beast?" Climate Change is a similar issue...

This hiding from the truth though is what is threatening us with
extinction. At some point you must become a li-on hunter (hunter of
the lie). I just got to jump on the lion and expose the beast. The lie
may have been a defense mechanism in evolution, but it's not working
anymore.

Enough for the Wisdom of the Jungle, off I go in my monkey bike.

---------------------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 11:00 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 11:20 am, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> jungle:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 23, 9:07 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 22, 11:12 am, "davenort...@gmail.com" <davenort...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Currently, in many quarters, Christianity is updating its theology
> >> > in light of New and Old Testament studies as well as modern science.
>
> >> > In this regard, there is a tendency to regard much of scripture as
> >> > symbolic or metaphorical. Of coarse, the Devil is now correctly
> >> > downgraded from a reality to a representation of the human experience
> >> > of evil in life. Including suffering, temptation etc.
>
> >> > To my mind, certain types of evil such as world wars are so
> >> > horrendous
> >> > that the human mind is pushed beyond factual description to symbolic
> >> > and poetic language, for example myth. What else can you do when you
> >> > affirm God is all powerful and all good and the evil encountered
> >> > seems to strongly counter that faith. So, though I've long ago
> >> > abandoned belief in the Devil, I can readily understand why our
> >> > forbears believed in a real Devil roaming the world to tempt and to
> >> > destroy. Something the uneducated non-scientific masses of the
> >> > middle and ancient ages could believe. And, at the same time, the
> >> > heat was taken off the Church and theologians because the Devil, not
> >> > God, "did it."
>
> >> So, in your mind, it makes perfect sense that ancient uneducated people
> >> anthropomorphized pain and suffering, but joy and peace come from a
> >> real being, no anthropomorphism here... Why the dichotomy?
>
> >> Come on, you are so close!
> >> One down, one to go!
>
> > I don't think he'll take the jump because many people are afraid of the
> > truth. Many people actually hide from it if it threatens their lifestyle
> > or requires some major mental overhaul. The most they dare is a tuneup.
> > ;)
>
> > Same point is demonstrated with Assange. Many people are simply afraid
> > of the truth for the same reasons. "What will happen if I must see the
> > ugly beast?" Climate Change is a similar issue...
>
> > This hiding from the truth though is what is threatening us with
> > extinction. At some point you must become a li-on hunter (hunter of the
> > lie). I just got to jump on the lion and expose the beast. The lie may
> > have been a defense mechanism in evolution, but it's not working
> > anymore.
>
> > Enough for the Wisdom of the Jungle, off I go in my monkey bike.
>
> I'm still seeing an implicit assumption that humans are sane.
>
> This is a common failing of religious and philosophical debate.
>
> If we started by assuming the human mind is as much a collection of
> distorted components that did not (in this instance) result in rapid
> extinction (IOW, a lucky break for this species), as the human body is,
> then we might get somewhere.

80% are dumb and 20% are crazy, who are the people that create.

In order to get somewhere we must leave the primitive mind behind,
which means no magical explanations of events. I think someone like
Einstein could lead the world instead of our political leaders versed
in winning elections and wiping out the opposition.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 11:19 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 1:58 pm, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 7:52 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> In reply to "Is People Afraid of the Truth?":
>
> Yes. The truth is that education is falling by the wayside. That
> truth scares the livin' shit out of me.

Lack of idealism worries me even more. In this world and age, there's
two kinds of people: THOSE WITH MONEY AND THOSE WITHOUT IT.

Education is only an instrument for living good.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 11:50 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 2:38 pm, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> jungle:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 23, 11:20 am, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> >> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> >> jungle:
>
> >> > On Dec 23, 9:07 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Dec 22, 11:12 am, "davenort...@gmail.com" <davenort...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Currently, in many quarters, Christianity is updating its
> >> >> > theology
> >> >> > in light of New and Old Testament studies as well as modern
> >> >> > science.
>
> >> >> > In this regard, there is a tendency to regard much of
> >> >> > scripture as
> >> >> > symbolic or metaphorical. Of coarse, the Devil is now correctly
> >> >> > downgraded from a reality to a representation of the human
> >> >> > experience of evil in life. Including suffering, temptation etc.
>
> >> >> > To my mind, certain types of evil such as world wars are so
> >> >> > horrendous
> >> >> > that the human mind is pushed beyond factual description to
> >> >> > symbolic and poetic language, for example myth. What else can you
> >> >> > do when you affirm God is all powerful and all good and the evil
> >> >> > encountered seems to strongly counter that faith. So, though
> >> >> > I've long ago abandoned belief in the Devil, I can readily
> >> >> > understand why our forbears believed in a real Devil roaming the
> >> >> > world to tempt and to destroy. Something the uneducated
> >> >> > non-scientific masses of the middle and ancient ages could
> >> >> > believe. And, at the same time, the heat was taken off the
> >> >> > Church and theologians because the Devil, not God, "did it."
>
> >> >> So, in your mind, it makes perfect sense that ancient uneducated
> >> >> people anthropomorphized pain and suffering, but joy and peace come
> >> >> from a real being, no anthropomorphism here... Why the dichotomy?
>
> >> >> Come on, you are so close!
> >> >> One down, one to go!
>
> >> > I don't think he'll take the jump because many people are afraid of
> >> > the truth. Many people actually hide from it if it threatens their
> >> > lifestyle or requires some major mental overhaul. The most they dare
> >> > is a tuneup. ;)
>
> >> > Same point is demonstrated with Assange. Many people are simply
> >> > afraid of the truth for the same reasons. "What will happen if I must
> >> > see the ugly beast?" Climate Change is a similar issue...
>
> >> > This hiding from the truth though is what is threatening us with
> >> > extinction. At some point you must become a li-on hunter (hunter of
> >> > the lie). I just got to jump on the lion and expose the beast. The
> >> > lie may have been a defense mechanism in evolution, but it's not
> >> > working anymore.
>
> >> > Enough for the Wisdom of the Jungle, off I go in my monkey bike.
>
> >> I'm still seeing an implicit assumption that humans are sane.
>
> >> This is a common failing of religious and philosophical debate.
>
> >> If we started by assuming the human mind is as much a collection of
> >> distorted components that did not (in this instance) result in rapid
> >> extinction (IOW, a lucky break for this species), as the human body is,
> >> then we might get somewhere.
>
> > 80% are dumb and 20% are crazy, who are the people that create.
>
> > In order to get somewhere we must leave the primitive mind behind, which
> > means no magical explanations of events. I think someone like Einstein
> > could lead the world instead of our political leaders versed in winning
> > elections and wiping out the opposition.
>
> There are plenty of better alternatives to the traditional types that
> "lead us". Unfortunately, its generally the psychopaths that "go the
> extra mile" to grasp the reigns of power.
>
> The only mechanism we have to swing things away from this kind of
> perpetual result is an educated population with a capacity for
> independant thought, and understanding of our animal instincts, and
> civilised dialogue.
>
> Maybe we need to vote for domestic cats next time.

You are expecting too much from education. You must first change the
political climate.

Whoever is in charge I want him to have this motto:

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
moving" -A. Einstein

It seems we live in a world willing to sacrifice the whole of humanity
not to change a bit and make room for the bike and other clever ideas.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 12:26 pm
From: "john brook"

Last year at christmas time I tried to send a photo by email to a lot of
people, maybe 80 or so. My way of sending out christmas cards.

I remember some problems because my email program seemed to think that
because I wanted to send a lot, I was spaming and so restricted how many I
could send out at one time.

What would be the best email program to use to send these 'cards': Hotmail,
or Yahoo or GMail?
Or would there be another better way. Thanks for advice.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 1:19 pm
From: Michael Black

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010, john brook wrote:

> Last year at christmas time I tried to send a photo by email to a lot of
> people, maybe 80 or so. My way of sending out christmas cards.
>
> I remember some problems because my email program seemed to think that
> because I wanted to send a lot, I was spaming and so restricted how many I
> could send out at one time.
>
> What would be the best email program to use to send these 'cards': Hotmail,
> or Yahoo or GMail?
> Or would there be another better way. Thanks for advice.
>
It rightfully considers it spam, since you are sending the same thing
to so many people.

Personalize each "card" and the problem will go away.

Michael

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 1:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

john brook wrote:

> Last year at christmas time I tried to send a photo by email to a lot
> of people, maybe 80 or so. My way of sending out christmas cards.

> I remember some problems because my email program seemed to think that because I wanted to send a lot, I was spaming
> and so restricted how many I could send out at one time.

> What would be the best email program to use to send these 'cards': Hotmail, or Yahoo or GMail?

I prefer to use a PC based email program like Outlook Express
and an email system like gmail that accepts POP3 email.

Gmail handles spam much better than yahoo does and something
like Xmas cards is sure to end up on some systems that dont have
proper virus checking, so you could well get quite a bit of spam back.

Important to use the BCC field so the everyone cant see your list of who you send cards to.

> Or would there be another better way.

Yes, just put the pic on one of the pic sites and put just a link in the emails.

Or dont bother with Xmas cards at all.

> Thanks for advice.

Even advice to shove your head up a dead bear's arse ? Funky.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:35 pm
From: Max

On Dec 23, 3:26 pm, "john brook" <bluestar...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> Last year at christmas time I tried to send a photo by email to a lot of
> people, maybe 80 or so. My way of sending out christmas cards.
>
> I remember some problems because my email program seemed to think that
> because I wanted to send a lot, I was spaming and so restricted how many I
> could send out at one time.
>
> What would be the best email program to use to send these 'cards': Hotmail,
> or Yahoo or GMail?
> Or would there be another better way. Thanks for advice.

Forget USPS.
Forget E-mail too.
I use ESP and send out thousands at no cost on Christmas Eve.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:36 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:m534h6ddkid5h33rj0o2tkdgnslhll4su6@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:31:19 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
[...]
>>I categorically reject your entire line of thinking on this issue. The
>>Iraqis were treated worse than cattle under Saddam and his tribal group
>>and
>>they took it for decades without a peep. We Americans must appear like
>>Santa
>>Claus to them.
>>
>>The main thing that is wrong with American foreign policy is our bent for
>>wanting to do good in the world. I would go for just doing what is good
>>for
>>us and everyone else be damned. What I fear is that Iraq may want us to
>>stay
>>in their god forsaken country forever and then clamor to become our 51st
>>State.
>>
>>Liberals like you do not have a clue about how the world works.
>
> Of course they suffered under Saddam, that's why we worked with the
> British to install him in the first place. But it helped our oil
> companies and that's why we did it. In fact, for all the lying about
> why we needed to go to war with Iraq, the only real reason was one we
> didn't use, that we put him in and had the right to take him out.

You obviously are an idiot.

> Do you have any cites for believing that the Iraqis think we are Santa
> Claus or that they want us to stay? Do you actually even believe that?

In the good old days when a regime was replaced by force of an invasion, all
the principals were slaughtered. Instead, we give them vacations in places
like Guantanamo. The fact of the matter is that we Americans do not have a
clue about how to treat our enemies. Ideally we should just kill them,
something that all previous peoples have known how to do.

Regards.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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