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TOPIC: I want to get rid of my landline but...
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 10:06 pm
From: JimSo

On Feb 23, 4:13 pm, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> JimSo <jimso...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:eebc5ab5-9d66-4986-b3d5-49d97c791b4b@a8g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Feb 23, 6:44 am, "rtand...@yahoo.com" <rtand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> T-Mobile has a $40 plan that include 500 minutes a month. If you can
> >> get your wife to call on weekends, the minutes are free.
>
> >> Also consider what her sister is using for a phone. I added my Mom
> >> to my plan for an additional $10/mo and we can talk anytime, as
> >> mobile to mobile calls within the family are always free.
>
> >> -Brian
>
> > As to MagicJack, I have one but I use it for my home business as those
> > calls are usually quick and local.
> > I have found the long distance calls on MagicJack are of generally
> > poor quality, much poorer than onesuite.com.
>
> I've never tried OneSuite.com so I can't comment. But I'll check
> it out.
>
> As for Magic Jack, I only mention it because it's the cheapest option
> available. I have not used it. Phone Power was my best recomendation
> for Voip service. Huge boatload of features, two line ATA allows two
> calls at once. Works with a standard phone.
>
> > As to page plus cellular,
> > it's cheap but I don't believe it is that cheap for long distance,
>
> Nationwide calling. It's about 6 cents per minute, non roaming.
> There are also a pair of flat rate plans. $44.00 for unlimited,
> 29.99 for 1200 minutes. If you go over you drop back to the per
> minute rate.
>
> > right? Also, the MagicJack is hooked to my computer and we need the
> > ability to take the phone into the other room when my wife is talking
> > for hours...
>
> Cordless phone.
> I have my ATA sitting next to my router (it plugs directly into my
> network). A cordless phone base station hooks to it. Several handsets
> are scattered around the house. The second line of the ATA plugs
> into the house phone wireing. That lets me use the wired phone
> in my bedroom, and a two line phone in my office.
>
>
>
> > $40/month would not be bad but 500/month is not enough minutes even if
> > she gets free min. on weekends. She can spend 120-180 minutes on any
> > one day talking long distance, so I pretty much need unlimited
> > minutes. I'll have to see what plan her sister and niece are using...
>
> > Thanks to all for the info/recommendations.
>
> Here are a few more:
> Set up here niece and sister on Phone Power too. In system calls
> are free. But the setup cost can be steep for three parties.
>
> Skype. I think Skype to Skype calls are free. Look around, I
> recall seing wireless Skype compatible handsets somewhere.
> These work like cordless phones for Skype. They connect via
> wi-fi and your wireless router to your network to make your call.
> Since it's wireless, it can be taken into the next room.
>
>

Thanks. Never heard of Phone Power, I'll have to check it out.
The main thing is that I want a phone for long distance that my wife
can use in the bedroom, that is not connected to the computer (I
already have Magic Jack connected to the computer for my business and
I don't think I can have a 2nd one, right?). And some of them don't
work well if I am USING the computer while she is using the phone,
right?

So really I think what I need is a cell phone that gives free or at
least, say, 1200 min. a month. I think 1200 min. a month would cover
her.

The thing with Page Plus Cellular (which I have on my "emergency" cell
phone that I keep in my car and only use when I really need a phone in
the car (seldom), is that you have to pay for the minutes even when
someone *calls you*, no? So that would not work for her even though
her sister has free minutes and can call her, right?

Jeez, this phone thing is very complicated! All I know is I don't
think I should have to pay ATT $35-40/month just for the ability to
receive local calls and make long distance calls via onesuite.

By the way, onesuite is great at 2.5cents a minute for ld from a land
line. But even that adds up when we call other states frequently...

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 12:34 pm
From: JimSo

After reviewing some of the suggestions here I realize that while
Phone Power seems to be a good deal, I already have Magic Jack and
don't want to spend $79.95 to set up what is essentially a Magic Jack
with 2 lines instead of one.

So really what I have decided I need is a cheap cell phone service
with at least 1000 min. a month "free" long distance.

So please keep recommendations limited to cell phone service. I use
PagePlusCellular for my "emergency" cell phone that I keep in the car
for those rare times when I really need it, but it's really not that
cheap for long distance calls of the type my wife likes to make - of
an hour or two at a time. So what I guess we need is a cell phone
"plan" that includes a lot of free long distance, to replace our land
line; OR a cheaper land line than ATT which is charging us :
$29.70 a month for basic service (which includes $8.50 month (!!?) for
call waiting!
Then they have WHOLE BUNCH of fees and taxes and surcharges which
bring it up to:
$41.60/month!

And that does not include any long distance or local call charges at
all, this is just Basic Service!

I resent the idea of giving ATT all this money for one BASIC land line
service, and I must find an alternative asap! But like I said, I
really don't want a computer based service like Phone Power or Magic
Jack (which I already have for a 2nd line).

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 1:22 pm
From: Metspitzer

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:34:16 -0800 (PST), JimSo <jimsocal@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>After reviewing some of the suggestions here I realize that while
>Phone Power seems to be a good deal, I already have Magic Jack and
>don't want to spend $79.95 to set up what is essentially a Magic Jack
>with 2 lines instead of one.
>
>So really what I have decided I need is a cheap cell phone service
>with at least 1000 min. a month "free" long distance.
>
>So please keep recommendations limited to cell phone service. I use
>PagePlusCellular for my "emergency" cell phone that I keep in the car
>for those rare times when I really need it, but it's really not that
>cheap for long distance calls of the type my wife likes to make - of
>an hour or two at a time. So what I guess we need is a cell phone
>"plan" that includes a lot of free long distance, to replace our land
>line; OR a cheaper land line than ATT which is charging us :
>$29.70 a month for basic service (which includes $8.50 month (!!?) for
>call waiting!
>Then they have WHOLE BUNCH of fees and taxes and surcharges which
>bring it up to:
>$41.60/month!
>
>And that does not include any long distance or local call charges at
>all, this is just Basic Service!
>
>I resent the idea of giving ATT all this money for one BASIC land line
>service, and I must find an alternative asap! But like I said, I
>really don't want a computer based service like Phone Power or Magic
>Jack (which I already have for a 2nd line).

Google Voice gives free unlimited long distance by ringing your home
phone. You have to have a land line.

Not sure if you can use this, but it is worth mentioning. ATT used to
offer a "message base" (land line) package that gave all free incoming
calls and limit outgoing calls to 30 a month.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 3:21 pm
From: Gordon

JimSo <jimsocal@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bcbf831b-d560-4188-b4f3-
94576f70c89d@d23g2000prj.googlegroups.com:

One more comment about Phone Power; then I'll shut up. The Phone Power
ATA (Analoge telephone adaptor) does not require the use of your
computer.
Your computer does not have to be on for it to work (unlike Magic Jack).
It plugs into your network and only requires that your router be
turned on.
I just wanted to clearify that.
So, moving right along...

>
> So really what I have decided I need is a cheap cell phone service
> with at least 1000 min. a month "free" long distance.

I don't think you are going to get that. Most free mins are
going to be nites and weekends. the free nite minutes generally
start at 9:00pm. Except maybe Sprint. I think their free nite
minutes start at 7:00 or 8:00.
The Page Plus Talk and Text 1200 plan at $29.95 per month for 1200 mins
is pretty hard to beat. Although it doesn't have any free mins.
The price per min is the same for local or long distance.
If you are looking for free mins, then you are going to have spend
some time on the major carrier's web sites comparing plans.

>
> I resent the idea of giving ATT all this money for one BASIC land line
> service, and I must find an alternative asap! But like I said, I
> really don't want a computer based service like Phone Power or Magic
> Jack (which I already have for a 2nd line).

I hear ya. I resented paying Verizon $48.00 per month for a landline.
That's why I switched to a VoIP service.

FWIW: I would check with Magic Jack to see if you can have multiple
units. I saw one of their infomercials and they seemed to indicate
that you could. If that is the case, you could get an old computer,
say, a 1mhz Celeron or Athalon running Win XP. Then put it in a corner
and dedicate it to running the MAgic Jack. I know someone who has
done this with his old laptop. But, he also has the laptop doing
lite file server duties as well.

I'll reiterate my suggestion for Skype. Although it is generally
a computer based service, you can get IP phones that are compatible
with Skype. They can be used without needing a computer. Check
the Skype web site for a list of compatible phones.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 11:29 pm
From: "Nick Naim"

"JimSo" <jimsocal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e1ae0835-68cc-4621-a172-0024d7a32ec0@8g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> ATT just keeps raising my landline cost to the point where I am now
> paying $35 just for the landline itself, and all I use it for are
> local calls and to access my cheap long distance via onesuite.com. Oh,
> and as I understand it I have to have GTC Telecom as my ld carrier, so
> that's another $4 or so per month.
>
> So.. I want to get rid of my landline if for no other reason than to
> say FU to ATT for charging so much for it.
>
> So what I need is a cell phone service that :
> Is reliable
> Has unlimited "free" minutes for long distance
> Costs less than $40/month
>
> I don't need internet or texting etc. in fact I'd like to use it with
> a very cheap cell phone; I just need good reception and reliability
> not the internet, texting, etc. ; though if it has texting I might
> eventually use it...
>
> Any suggestions?
TracFon
>
> I do use pagepluscellular on one old cell phone I use for emergencies
> and I use Tracfone for the other but both are too expensive for "daily
> home use" because my wife sometimes like to talk on the phone for
> hours to her sister in Pennsylvania.

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TOPIC: Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 4:18 am
From: Harry Brogan

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:59:23 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8sierbFq5dU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
>> leave for dead.
>
>Rod Speed is an Aussie shit eater. He also drinks his own urine because that
>is what Aussies do in the land down under. He is dark of mind and dark of
>heart like all those flat nosed Aborigines.
>

You may attack Ed for some of his posts on here. And even I did as
well. However, whether or not you agree with him his posts generally
make good and fair points.

But, as I found out a couple of years ago. If you have a good point
and actually make your case even Ed can be understanding and, quite
possibly, change his mind.

Yes I did find this out for myself on one occasion. And I am sure
that Ed will agree. It was because of this that I will not "attack"
Ed. However, I do disagree with him on some occasions. Just as he
disagrees with me.

Perhaps if you would post more than what you have been it might be a
bit better. But your infantile posts do absolutely nothing.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 5:09 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Feb 24, 7:18 am, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:59:23 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
> >"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:8sierbFq5dU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
> >> leave for dead.
>
> >Rod Speed is an Aussie shit eater. He also drinks his own urine because that
> >is what Aussies do in the land down under. He is dark of mind and dark of
> >heart like all those flat nosed Aborigines.
>
> You may attack Ed for some of his posts on here. And even I did as
> well. However, whether or not you agree with him his posts generally
> make good and fair points.
>
> But, as I found out a couple of years ago. If you have a good point
> and actually make your case even Ed can be understanding and, quite
> possibly, change his mind.
>
> Yes I did find this out for myself on one occasion. And I am sure
> that Ed will agree. It was because of this that I will not "attack"
> Ed. However, I do disagree with him on some occasions. Just as he
> disagrees with me.
>
> Perhaps if you would post more than what you have been it might be a
> bit better. But your infantile posts do absolutely nothing.

Yeah, I agree too. Ed is erratic but doesn't have a bad heart. Rod
however is an imbecile who posts here while he hates bikes.

All he says, "Wrong again." I'm sure he's a frustrated man in the
Outback and wants to emigrate to NYC, like Crocodile Dundee.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 8:10 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Harry Brogan wrote
> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.

>> Rod Speed is an Aussie shit eater. He also drinks his own urine
>> because that is what Aussies do in the land down under. He is dark
>> of mind and dark of heart like all those flat nosed Aborigines.

> You may attack Ed for some of his posts on here. And even I did as
> well. However, whether or not you agree with him his posts generally
> make good and fair points.

> But, as I found out a couple of years ago. If you have a good point
> and actually make your case even Ed can be understanding and, quite
> possibly, change his mind.

> Yes I did find this out for myself on one occasion. And I am sure
> that Ed will agree. It was because of this that I will not "attack"
> Ed. However, I do disagree with him on some occasions. Just as he
> disagrees with me.

> Perhaps if you would post more than what you have been it might be a
> bit better. But your infantile posts do absolutely nothing.

Wrong, as always. They clearly piss the donkey off and he then proves
to the world exactly what he is.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 2:46 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>> Perhaps if you would post more than what you have been it might be a
>> bit better. But your infantile posts do absolutely nothing.

Rod Speed provides 1000 time more useful info/help than
goat fucker ed dolan

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 6:19 pm
From: Harry Brogan

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:46:27 -0600, me@privacy.net wrote:

>
>
>>> Perhaps if you would post more than what you have been it might be a
>>> bit better. But your infantile posts do absolutely nothing.
>
>Rod Speed provides 1000 time more useful info/help than
>goat fucker ed dolan

what's truly amazing is this. The rest of us here do not have to
continually change our display names to avoid the "plonk". You
continue to do that just to get a rise out of people. You might think
it's cute but it simply makes you yet another troll.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 8:36 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Feb 24, 8:54 am, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 24, 8:05 am, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 2/24/11 7:48 AM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>
> > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:37:12 -0800 (PST), edspyhill01
> > > <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Feb 22, 8:23 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, aka Comandante
> > >> Banana"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> Nice fellows we are supporting when we waste gas...
>
> > >>> HAVANA, Cuba The bloody upheaval in Libya is creating an
> > >>> uncomfortable challenge for Moammar Gadhafi's leftist Latin American
> > >>> allies, with some keeping their distance and others rushing to the
> > >>> defense of a leader they have long embraced as a fellow fighter
> > >>> against U.S. influence in the world.
>
> > >>> Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro said Tuesday that the unrest may be a
> > >>> pretext for a NATO invasion of Libya, while Nicaraguan President
> > >>> Daniel Ortega offered support for Gadhafi, saying he had telephoned to
> > >>> express solidarity.
>
> > >>> Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, on the other hand, has stayed mute. Bolivia
> > >>> came closest to criticizing the government in Tripoli, issuing a
> > >>> statement expressing concern over "the regrettable loss of many lives"
> > >>> and urging both sides to find a peaceful solution.
>
> > >>> ***
>
> > >>> Once upon a time there was some morality in the world and you felt
> > >>> like every effort counted:
>
> > >>>http://jonceco.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/ride_with_hitler.jpg?w=360...
>
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > >>>http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> > >> Not really. We've always supported dictators for cheaper oil and
> > >> other raw materials.
>
> > >> We will see $5.00 a gallon gas, maybe even $8.00 a gallon gas.
>
> > > Yeah, but not because of the small percentage of oil we buy from the
> > > middle east. Nearly every penny goes in the pockets of oil compainies
> > > tax free. Bet they lobby to pass laws that allow them to hide how
> > > much profit they make after this next quarterly report.
>
> > Really? ExxonMobil paid $21 Billion in income taxes last year according
> > to its quarterly statement, presumably to the US Gov't and foreign
> > governments (Most of XOM's activities are outside the US) as well as to
> > state gov'ts. I don't think that's how much the checks were really for
> > (there are all types of credits and crap), but the oil companies do pay
> > income taxes.
>
> > Jeff- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Not so for 2009. There's this thing called Google...
>
> ExxonMobil paid no federal income tax in 2009. (Updated)
>
> Last week, Forbes magazine published what the top U.S. corporations
> paid in taxes last year. "Most egregious," Forbes notes, is General
> Electric, which "generated $10.3 billion in pretax income, but ended
> up owing nothing to Uncle Sam. In fact, it recorded a tax benefit of
> $1.1 billion." Big Oil giant Exxon Mobil, which last year reported a
> record $45.2 billion profit, paid the most taxes of any corporation,
> but none of it went to the IRS:
>
> Exxon tries to limit the tax pain with the help of 20 wholly owned
> subsidiaries domiciled in the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands
> that (legally) shelter the cash flow from operations in the likes of
> Angola, Azerbaijan and Abu Dhabi. No wonder that of $15 billion in
> income taxes last year, Exxon paid none of it to Uncle Sam, and has
> tens of billions in earnings permanently reinvested overseas.
>
> Mother Jones' Adam Weinstein notes that, despite benefiting from
> corporate welfare in the U.S., Exxon complains about paying high
> taxes, claiming that it threatens energy innovation research. Pat
> Garofalo at the Wonk Room notes that big corporations' tax shelter
> practices similar to Exxon's shift a $100 billion annual tax burden
> onto U.S. taxpayers. In fact, in 2008, the Government Accountability
> Office found that "two out of every three United States corporations
> paid no federal income taxes from 1998 through 2005."
>
> Update Forbes has updated its article to include a statement from
> Exxon: "Though Exxon's financial statement's don't show any net income
> tax liability owed to Uncle Sam, a company spokesman insists that once
> its final tax bill is figured, Exxon will owe a 'substantial 2009 tax
> liability.' How substantial? 'That's not something we're required to
> disclose, nor do we.'"

I think Big Oil rather bribe the likes of Gadhafi than chip in with
the American people...

"In the world of Big Oil, Albert "Jack" Stanley was legendary for
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Halliburton (HAL, news, msgs) executive who knew all the secrets of
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In the wake of his admission in a guilty plea last week that he had
resorted to bribes, kickbacks and high-level corruption to secure
deals in Nigeria, however, Stanley now lies at the center of a
widening scandal in the oil industry that has implications for
corporations and governments across the globe."

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***

Hey, I'm nauseated by it and will go now to ride my Ape Bike. Yep,
it's not the monkey bike, but the one with the huge ape bars. Cool!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 2:45 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop
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wrote:

>I think Big Oil rather bribe the likes of Gadhafi than chip in with
>the American people...

of course

big oil likes them goat fuckers

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 3:46 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
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On Feb 24, 11:35 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of
the Stop the Bullshit Campaign" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey, I'm nauseated by it and will go now to ride my Ape Bike. Yep,
> it's not the monkey bike, but the one with the huge ape bars. Cool!

I'm glad I mentioned the ape bike because it does NOT fit in the bus
rack and it does NOT fit on the road, so I must do like most Americans
do and transport the bike in the car to the launching place.

They think they are clean, but they pollute more by driving than they
save by biking. And now I'm part of it too.

WE ARE ALL PART OF THIS PIGSTY CALLED DEMOCRACY, some willingly some
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