Friday, February 25, 2011

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 6 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

* I want to get rid of my landline but... - 8 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/321423bed679947e?hl=en
* Rod Speed is Australian - maybe that explains it! - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b15d5fd93d97e691?hl=en
* Rod Speed is a liar --HOMELESS DO HAVE BIKES - 10 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1905353f05cd9046?hl=en
* And the Revolution came to Iraq! (and this proves that democracy means
nothing) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/36ec6354604ddd53?hl=en
* My debate with Osama bin Laden - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8cc727053280abc2?hl=en
* Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
leave for dead. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0deefff98b9882ed?hl=en

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TOPIC: I want to get rid of my landline but...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/321423bed679947e?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 24 2011 11:29 pm
From: "Nick Naim"

"JimSo" <jimsocal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e1ae0835-68cc-4621-a172-0024d7a32ec0@8g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> ATT just keeps raising my landline cost to the point where I am now
> paying $35 just for the landline itself, and all I use it for are
> local calls and to access my cheap long distance via onesuite.com. Oh,
> and as I understand it I have to have GTC Telecom as my ld carrier, so
> that's another $4 or so per month.
>
> So.. I want to get rid of my landline if for no other reason than to
> say FU to ATT for charging so much for it.
>
> So what I need is a cell phone service that :
> Is reliable
> Has unlimited "free" minutes for long distance
> Costs less than $40/month
>
> I don't need internet or texting etc. in fact I'd like to use it with
> a very cheap cell phone; I just need good reception and reliability
> not the internet, texting, etc. ; though if it has texting I might
> eventually use it...
>
> Any suggestions?
TracFon
>
> I do use pagepluscellular on one old cell phone I use for emergencies
> and I use Tracfone for the other but both are too expensive for "daily
> home use" because my wife sometimes like to talk on the phone for
> hours to her sister in Pennsylvania.


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 5:16 am
From: George


On 2/24/2011 3:34 PM, JimSo wrote:
> After reviewing some of the suggestions here I realize that while
> Phone Power seems to be a good deal, I already have Magic Jack and
> don't want to spend $79.95 to set up what is essentially a Magic Jack
> with 2 lines instead of one.
>
> So really what I have decided I need is a cheap cell phone service
> with at least 1000 min. a month "free" long distance.
>
I could be wrong but I don't know any cell phone plans that charge extra
for domestic long distance. That is purely a landline concept.


> So please keep recommendations limited to cell phone service. I use
> PagePlusCellular for my "emergency" cell phone that I keep in the car
> for those rare times when I really need it, but it's really not that
> cheap for long distance calls of the type my wife likes to make - of
> an hour or two at a time. So what I guess we need is a cell phone
> "plan" that includes a lot of free long distance, to replace our land
> line; OR a cheaper land line than ATT which is charging us :
> $29.70 a month for basic service (which includes $8.50 month (!!?) for
> call waiting!
> Then they have WHOLE BUNCH of fees and taxes and surcharges which
> bring it up to:
> $41.60/month!
>
> And that does not include any long distance or local call charges at
> all, this is just Basic Service!
>
> I resent the idea of giving ATT all this money for one BASIC land line
> service, and I must find an alternative asap! But like I said, I
> really don't want a computer based service like Phone Power or Magic
> Jack (which I already have for a 2nd line).

"Phone Power" and similar services are not computer based.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 11:14 am
From: JimSo


On Feb 25, 5:16 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> On 2/24/2011 3:34 PM, JimSo wrote:> After reviewing some of the suggestions here I realize that while
> > Phone Power seems to be a good deal, I already have Magic Jack and
> > don't want to spend $79.95 to set up what is essentially a Magic Jack
> > with 2 lines instead of one.
>
> > So really what I have decided I need is a cheap cell phone service
> > with at least 1000 min. a month "free" long distance.
>
> I could be wrong but I don't know any cell phone plans that charge extra
> for domestic long distance. That is purely a landline concept.
>
>
>
> > So please keep recommendations limited to cell phone service. I use
> > PagePlusCellular for my "emergency" cell phone that I keep in the car
> > for those rare times when I really need it, but it's really not that
> > cheap for long distance calls of the type my wife likes to make - of
> > an hour or two at a time. So what I guess we need is a cell phone
> > "plan" that includes a lot of free long distance, to replace our land
> > line; OR a cheaper land line than ATT which is charging us :
> > $29.70 a month for basic service (which includes $8.50 month (!!?) for
> > call waiting!
> > Then they have WHOLE BUNCH of fees and taxes and surcharges which
> > bring it up to:
> > $41.60/month!
>
> > And that does not include any long distance or local call charges at
> > all, this is just Basic Service!
>
> > I resent the idea of giving ATT all this money for one BASIC land line
> > service, and I must find an alternative asap! But like I said, I
> > really don't want a computer based service like Phone Power or Magic
> > Jack (which I already have for a 2nd line).
>
> "Phone Power" and similar services are not computer based.

Thanks for clarifying that Phone Power and Skype do not necessarily
require a computer. I'll look into that. Right now I don't want to
spend $80 for PP so that is out, but maybe Skpe, or maybe PagePlus or
one of the major carriers has a plan that will work for us.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 11:21 am
From: JimSo


On Feb 25, 11:14 am, JimSo <jimso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 25, 5:16 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 2/24/2011 3:34 PM, JimSo wrote:> After reviewing some of the suggestions here I realize that while
> > > Phone Power seems to be a good deal, I already have Magic Jack and
> > > don't want to spend $79.95 to set up what is essentially a Magic Jack
> > > with 2 lines instead of one.
>
> > > So really what I have decided I need is a cheap cell phone service
> > > with at least 1000 min. a month "free" long distance.
>
> > I could be wrong but I don't know any cell phone plans that charge extra
> > for domestic long distance. That is purely a landline concept.
>
> > > So please keep recommendations limited to cell phone service. I use
> > > PagePlusCellular for my "emergency" cell phone that I keep in the car
> > > for those rare times when I really need it, but it's really not that
> > > cheap for long distance calls of the type my wife likes to make - of
> > > an hour or two at a time. So what I guess we need is a cell phone
> > > "plan" that includes a lot of free long distance, to replace our land
> > > line; OR a cheaper land line than ATT which is charging us :
> > > $29.70 a month for basic service (which includes $8.50 month (!!?) for
> > > call waiting!
> > > Then they have WHOLE BUNCH of fees and taxes and surcharges which
> > > bring it up to:
> > > $41.60/month!
>
> > > And that does not include any long distance or local call charges at
> > > all, this is just Basic Service!
>
> > > I resent the idea of giving ATT all this money for one BASIC land line
> > > service, and I must find an alternative asap! But like I said, I
> > > really don't want a computer based service like Phone Power or Magic
> > > Jack (which I already have for a 2nd line).
>
> > "Phone Power" and similar services are not computer based.
>
> Thanks for clarifying that Phone Power and Skype do not necessarily
> require a computer. I'll look into that. Right now I don't want to
> spend $80 for PP so that is out, but maybe Skpe, or maybe PagePlus or
> one of the major carriers has a plan that will work for us.

Okay, so I looked up PagePlusCellular's $30/mo plan and I have some
questions: (probably dumb questions but I really have never gotten
into the whole cell phone culture):

They say "Standard rates will apply for roaming, international voice,
international text and premium SMS. If you use more than the included
minutes/messages/data in this plan, you will be charged the overage
rates listed below. "

So : roaming. When would I be roaming? Is that any time I use the
phone outside my area code or ? Because here in L.A. where there are 3
or 4 area codes that could add up pretty easily at I think they said
an extra 10 cents a minute...

And these 1200 minutes - does that include the minutes when others
CALL US, or is that just when we call OUT?


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 11:45 am
From: a real cheapskate


On Feb 25, 2:21 pm, JimSo <jimso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 25, 11:14 am, JimSo <jimso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 5:16 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > On 2/24/2011 3:34 PM, JimSo wrote:> After reviewing some of the suggestions here I realize that while
> > > > Phone Power seems to be a good deal, I already have Magic Jack and
> > > > don't want to spend $79.95 to set up what is essentially a Magic Jack
> > > > with 2 lines instead of one.
>
> > > > So really what I have decided I need is a cheap cell phone service
> > > > with at least 1000 min. a month "free" long distance.
>
> > > I could be wrong but I don't know any cell phone plans that charge extra
> > > for domestic long distance. That is purely a landline concept.
>
> > > > So please keep recommendations limited to cell phone service. I use
> > > > PagePlusCellular for my "emergency" cell phone that I keep in the car
> > > > for those rare times when I really need it, but it's really not that
> > > > cheap for long distance calls of the type my wife likes to make - of
> > > > an hour or two at a time. So what I guess we need is a cell phone
> > > > "plan" that includes a lot of free long distance, to replace our land
> > > > line; OR a cheaper land line than ATT which is charging us :
> > > > $29.70 a month for basic service (which includes $8.50 month (!!?) for
> > > > call waiting!
> > > > Then they have WHOLE BUNCH of fees and taxes and surcharges which
> > > > bring it up to:
> > > > $41.60/month!
>
> > > > And that does not include any long distance or local call charges at
> > > > all, this is just Basic Service!
>
> > > > I resent the idea of giving ATT all this money for one BASIC land line
> > > > service, and I must find an alternative asap! But like I said, I
> > > > really don't want a computer based service like Phone Power or Magic
> > > > Jack (which I already have for a 2nd line).
>
> > > "Phone Power" and similar services are not computer based.
>
> > Thanks for clarifying that Phone Power and Skype do not necessarily
> > require a computer. I'll look into that. Right now I don't want to
> > spend $80 for PP so that is out, but maybe Skpe, or maybe PagePlus or
> > one of the major carriers has a plan that will work for us.
>
> Okay, so I looked up PagePlusCellular's $30/mo plan and I have some
> questions: (probably dumb questions but I really have never gotten
> into the whole cell phone culture):
>
> They say "Standard rates will apply for roaming, international voice,
> international text and premium SMS. If you use more than the included
> minutes/messages/data in this plan, you will be charged the overage
> rates listed below.  "
>
> So : roaming. When would I be roaming? Is that any time I use the
> phone outside my area code or ? Because here in L.A. where there are 3
> or 4 area codes that could add up pretty easily at I think they said
> an extra 10 cents a minute...
>
> And these 1200 minutes - does that include the minutes when others
> CALL US, or is that just when we call OUT?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Straight talk a wallmart cell phone, comes standard with unlimited
phone text picture message and internet, free computerized 411:( the
computerized 411 is less than useless and I didnt try the internet.
around here straighttalk is on verizon network and works fine.

NET 10 is my new cell provider:) around here its more reliable than
verizon.

50 bucks a month unlimited everything, phone text internet 411 with a
human being picture messaging too. although I havent tried the
internet access.

you buy the 50 buck card and the only added expense is sales tax.

verizons 10 buck friends and family add $8.86 in taxes and fees, call
it 9 bucks, almoost doubling the cost for friends and family
members.......

Net 10 appears to use the AT&T cell network around here which by my
testing is far better than verizons, way fewer dropped call areas.

I got pissed at verizon I started getting these dating texts from the
wierd number 70 705. they were interesting and I am getting divorced
so it was OK.

Out of curosity I finally sent a text back WHO ARE YOU, and got a
response in spanish.

the next day I got a text informing me I was now subbed to the 10 buck
a month premium message service.

The verizon CSR said I will take that off your bill they shouldnt of
done that! and blocked it so it couldnt happen again.

But I never got a text you have unsubbed so a few days later I called
back and the rep said yes your unsubbed.....

Then I asked the service ending question:)

Did this company need verizons permission to do this?

sir verizon partnered with them........:(:(:( partnered wth a spammer?

Thats why I am going to net 10.... verizon drove me away. I was with
them for over 15 years.....


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 2:28 pm
From: Gordon


JimSo <jimsocal@hotmail.com> wrote in news:9f97dd5f-2c65-4785-be56-
5f35c5e1f9fc@8g2000prb.googlegroups.com:

> Okay, so I looked up PagePlusCellular's $30/mo plan and I have some
> questions: (probably dumb questions but I really have never gotten
> into the whole cell phone culture):
>
> They say "Standard rates will apply for roaming, international voice,
> international text and premium SMS. If you use more than the included
> minutes/messages/data in this plan, you will be charged the overage
> rates listed below. "
>
> So : roaming. When would I be roaming? Is that any time I use the
> phone outside my area code or ? Because here in L.A. where there are 3
> or 4 area codes that could add up pretty easily at I think they said
> an extra 10 cents a minute...

No. PagePlus uses the Verizon Wireless cell phone network. You
are roaming anytime you are off that network. You could be
in New York on the Verizon network and _not_ be roaming.

>
> And these 1200 minutes - does that include the minutes when others
> CALL US, or is that just when we call OUT?

Yes, inbound and outbound minutes.
>

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 2:33 pm
From: Gordon


JimSo <jimsocal@hotmail.com> wrote in news:4c97277f-e23e-43ad-b408-
3f118887ebbd@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com:

> Right now I don't want to
> spend $80 for PP so that is out,

Where did you come up with that? Phone Power with a 12 month contract
only costs $35.12 to start up. That includes your first month of
service and the shipping cost of the phone power ATA.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 4:21 pm
From: JimSo


On Feb 25, 2:33 pm, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> JimSo <jimso...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:4c97277f-e23e-43ad-b408-
> 3f118887e...@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Right now I don't want to
> > spend $80 for PP so that is out,
>
> Where did you come up with that?  Phone Power with a 12 month contract
> only costs $35.12 to start up. That includes your first month of
> service and the shipping cost of the phone power ATA.

I got it here.
So I guess there're different ways to sign up... It's all rather
complicated... I'll have to look at it to understand the different
options I suppose...
http://www.phonepower.com/services/voip/retailcombo.aspx

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TOPIC: Rod Speed is Australian - maybe that explains it!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b15d5fd93d97e691?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 3:55 am
From: Jeff Thies


On 2/22/2011 3:53 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Rod Speed"<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8sham9F4d6U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN POST ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO WHICH
> HE IS RESPONDING. WHAT AN IDIOT!

You've just proved that point.

Jeff

>
>> Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
>> leave for dead.
>
> Here is how to fuck one more time.
>
> "I suggest you take your Rod and give it a good fucking. And slow down.
> Speed fucks are no good. You want to go slow." - Ed Dolan
>
> Fucking Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 6:41 am
From: "Edward Dolan"


"Jeff Thies" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
news:ik85bn$u2t$2@news.albasani.net...
> On 2/22/2011 3:53 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:

>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN POST ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
>> WHICH
>> HE IS RESPONDING. WHAT AN IDIOT!
>
> You've just proved that point.

RS posts like a kangaroo instead of a human being. I will not waste any time
or effort on a scum bucket like him.

By the way, you are an idiot if you are reading any of his shit.

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 10:22 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.

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TOPIC: Rod Speed is a liar --HOMELESS DO HAVE BIKES
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1905353f05cd9046?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 6:04 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"


He said, among so many other lies, that homeless in America don't have
bikes. How does he know if lives in the Outback?

Well, he just made it up. I bet you the two major groups that ride
bikes in the cities are HOMELESS & IMMIGRANTS. When that is the case,
you are often treated like one of them, and sometimes it takes a
trained eye to tell them apart. One such difference --besides the
quality of the bike-- is that real cyclists ride on the road whenever
possible while the survivors stick to the sidewalks. Then there's a
conflict between pedestrian and bicycle where the pedestrian has the
most to lose. I tell pedestrians, "Hey, I'm sorry to be here but it's
a jungle out there."

As a rule I treat sidewalk riders as low life people and people like
Rod Speed --who doesn't even like cycling-- deserve scorn and
ridicule. He better tell us something we don't know about Australia.


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== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 10:21 am
From: "Rod Speed"


His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote

> He said, among so many other lies, that homeless in America don't have bikes.

No I did not.

> How does he know if lives in the Outback?

I dont. And I know that Obama is half black even when I live on the other side of the world.

> Well, he just made it up.

Nope.

> I bet you the two major groups that ride bikes
> in the cities are HOMELESS & IMMIGRANTS.

Many more are kids who cant legally drive, and those who cant
legally drive because they have lost their drivers license etc.

> When that is the case, you are often treated like one of them,
> and sometimes it takes a trained eye to tell them apart.

Mindlessly silly with those who ride for exercise.

> One such difference --besides the quality of the bike--
> is that real cyclists ride on the road whenever possible
> while the survivors stick to the sidewalks.

Depends on whether its legal or not.

> Then there's a conflict between pedestrian and bicycle where
> the pedestrian has the most to lose. I tell pedestrians, "Hey,
> I'm sorry to be here but it's a jungle out there."

Try telling that to the cop.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 12:06 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"


On Feb 25, 1:21 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
>
> > He said, among so many other lies, that homeless in America don't have bikes.
>
> No I did not.

Oh c'mon everybody saw it so must be absentminded professor or
outright liar.

>
> > How does he know if lives in the Outback?
>
> I dont. And I know that Obama is half black even when I live on the other side of the world.

Do you see the glass half empty or half full? ;)

>
> > Well, he just made it up.
>
> Nope.

You have seen the homeless in Hollywood movies and they don't ride
bikes. ;)

>
> > I bet you the two major groups that ride bikes
> > in the cities are HOMELESS & IMMIGRANTS.
>
> Many more are kids who cant legally drive, and those who cant
> legally drive because they have lost their drivers license etc.

Kids? Many have suspended license but they ain't no kids.

>
> > When that is the case, you are often treated like one of them,
> > and sometimes it takes a trained eye to tell them apart.
>
> Mindlessly silly with those who ride for exercise.

Those who ride for exercise don't do so on sidewalks. These are
survivors.
>
> > One such difference --besides the quality of the bike--
> > is that real cyclists ride on the road whenever possible
> > while the survivors stick to the sidewalks.
>
> Depends on whether its legal or not.

It's legal in 99% of places.

>
> > Then there's a conflict between pedestrian and bicycle where
> > the pedestrian has the most to lose. I tell pedestrians, "Hey,
> > I'm sorry to be here but it's a jungle out there."
>
> Try telling that to the cop.

The cops don't give a damn that you ride on sidewalks, unless you ride
in certain exclusive areas where it is expressly banned. I only know
one such area --very exclusive-- and no bike lane of any kind on the
road!

Let me tell you something I witnessed today: Very select area --Jewish
town-- so much so that kids ride alone --kids are afraid to ride alone
everywhere-- and this black guy comes barreling down at 15mph --he
almost hit me-- and nobody cared. They all ride on sidewalks so that's
part of the culture.

Not until we impound bikes on sidewalks while providing space on the
road we will be talking about civilization.


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 12:59 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote

>>> He said, among so many other lies, that homeless in America don't have bikes.

>> No I did not.

> Oh c'mon everybody saw it so must be absentminded professor or outright liar.

Then you wont have any difficulty quoting it.

>>> How does he know if lives in the Outback?

>> I dont. And I know that Obama is half black even when I live on the other side of the world.

> Do you see the glass half empty or half full? ;)

>>> Well, he just made it up.

>> Nope.

> You have seen the homeless in Hollywood movies

Dont watch movies.

> and they don't ride bikes. ;)

>>> I bet you the two major groups that ride bikes
>>> in the cities are HOMELESS & IMMIGRANTS.

>> Many more are kids who cant legally drive, and those who cant
>> legally drive because they have lost their drivers license etc.

> Kids? Many have suspended license but they ain't no kids.

Legally they are.

>>> When that is the case, you are often treated like one of them,
>>> and sometimes it takes a trained eye to tell them apart.

>> Mindlessly silly with those who ride for exercise.

> Those who ride for exercise don't do so on sidewalks. These are survivors.

>>> One such difference --besides the quality of the bike--
>>> is that real cyclists ride on the road whenever possible
>>> while the survivors stick to the sidewalks.

>> Depends on whether its legal or not.

> It's legal in 99% of places.

Another pig ignorant lie.

>>> Then there's a conflict between pedestrian and bicycle where
>>> the pedestrian has the most to lose. I tell pedestrians, "Hey,
>>> I'm sorry to be here but it's a jungle out there."

>> Try telling that to the cop.

> The cops don't give a damn that you ride on sidewalks,

Another pig ignorant lie.

> unless you ride in certain exclusive areas where it is expressly banned. I only
> know one such area --very exclusive-- and no bike lane of any kind on the road!

> Let me tell you something I witnessed today: Very select area --Jewish
> town-- so much so that kids ride alone --kids are afraid to ride alone everywhere--

Another pig ignorant lie.

> and this black guy comes barreling down at 15mph --he almost hit me--
> and nobody cared. They all ride on sidewalks so that's part of the culture.

Irrelevant to whether its legal.

> Not until we impound bikes on sidewalks while providing
> space on the road we will be talking about civilization.

You wouldnt know what civilisation was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.


== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 7:13 pm
From: Jeff Thies


On 2/25/2011 9:04 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote:
> He said, among so many other lies, that homeless in America don't have
> bikes.

I've never seen a homeless person with a bike. By and large, such
possessions are a hindrance to them. For the working poor bikes are not
uncommon. Holding on to them is hard though.


Jeff
(who has given away more than one bike)


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 7:17 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">


On 2/25/2011 9:13 PM, Jeff Thies wrote:
> On 2/25/2011 9:04 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
> Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote:
>> He said, among so many other lies, that homeless in America don't have
>> bikes.
>
> I've never seen a homeless person with a bike. By and large, such
> possessions are a hindrance to them. For the working poor bikes are not
> uncommon. Holding on to them is hard though.

In general, the USian police have "better" things to do than protect the
homeless.

--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 8:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Jeff Thies wrote
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote

>> He said, among so many other lies, that homeless in America don't have bikes.

> I've never seen a homeless person with a bike.

Me neither. Some had them during the great depression apparently.

> By and large, such possessions are a hindrance to them.

> For the working poor bikes are not uncommon.

And for those who have lost their license too.

> Holding on to them is hard though.

Nope.

> (who has given away more than one bike)


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 8:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


T�m Sherm�n� �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net wrote
> Jeff Thies wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote

>>> He said, among so many other lies, that homeless in America don't have bikes.

>> I've never seen a homeless person with a bike. By and large, such possessions are a hindrance to them. For the
>> working poor bikes are not uncommon. Holding on to them is hard though.

> In general, the USian police have "better" things to do than protect the homeless.

They mostly dont 'protect' many at all, just respond to reports of crime
and try to work out who did it etc.

In that sense they do 'protect' the homeless in the sense
of attempting to catch and lock up those that kill them etc.


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 8:33 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8srctaFr3rU1@mid.individual.net...
> T�m Sherm�n� �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net wrote
[...]

Learn how to edit a post, you god damn fucking stupid son of a bitch!

>> In general, the USian police have "better" things to do than protect the
>> homeless.
>
> They mostly dont 'protect' many at all, just respond to reports of crime
> and try to work out who did it etc.

The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?

> In that sense they do 'protect' the homeless in the sense
> of attempting to catch and lock up those that kill them etc.

The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?

Rod Speed is an Asshole-Shithead. TM, the village simpleton, is a genius
compared to him.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 8:34 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.

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TOPIC: And the Revolution came to Iraq! (and this proves that democracy means
nothing)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/36ec6354604ddd53?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 6:49 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"


'The protests, billed as a "Day of Rage, were fueled by anger over
corruption, chronic unemployment and shoddy public services.

"We want a good life like human beings, not like animals," said Khalil
Ibrahim, 44, one of about 3,000 protesters in the capital Baghdad.

Like many Iraqis, he railed against a government that locks itself in
the highly fortified Green Zone, home to the parliament and the U.S.
Embassy, and is viewed by most of its citizens as more interested in
personal gain than public service.'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110225/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq

***

I knew it would come to prove that democracy is not the solution. Hey,
a tyrant is not the solution either and you can't live without
FREEDOM. This is the important word, but so is the word SOLUTIONS, so
the Revolution is about the FREEDOM & SOLUTIONS.

A guy from Libya called in the radio the other day and said that what
Libya --and the whole Arab world-- needed was MUTUAL AID. In case you
don't remember who proposed it, I quote this:

'If we ... ask Nature: "who are the fittest: those who are continually
at war with each other, or those who support one another?" we at once
see that those animals which acquire habits of MUTUAL AID are
undoubtedly the fittest. They have more chances to survive, and they
attain, in their respective classes, the highest development of
intelligence and bodily organization.' -Peter Kropotkin

He was a prince who became a humble wise man and rejected HIERARCHY as
signaled the King of the Jungle, today visually evident in SUVs and
Green Zones. The vehicle of liberation is the bicycle. Hey, scooters
too!

-------------------------------------------------------------

THE REVOLUTION IS ABOUT SOLUTIONS

(Notice some of these ideas may be practical to you. HAPPY SURVIVAL!)

http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

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TOPIC: My debate with Osama bin Laden
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8cc727053280abc2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 3:42 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"


On Feb 25, 5:42 pm, Osama bin Laden <harbo...@langley.vir> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:47:59 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, aka Comandante Banana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Feb 25, 10:48 am, The Taliban Monkey <swing...@treetops.org> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 06:09:00 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
> >> TibetanMonkey, aka "Ed Conrad's wife" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >(I changed his real name which is not relevant here)
>
> >> Nothing you spam is relevant here, or anywhere else.
>
> >> Tell your spook husband Ed I said kiss my goy ass.
>
> >Hey are you a lookalike?
>
> >What a cheap imitation you are!
>
> >TALIBAN MONKEY:
>
> >http://blog.cytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/taliban-monkey.jpg
>
> >You'll never be a Wise TibetanMonkey.
>
> What do bicycles have to do with alt.autos.toyota?
>
> What do bicycles have to do with: rec.autos.driving?
>
> What do bicycles have to do with the liberal newsgroups:
> alt.society.liberalism,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.fan.michael-moore?
>
> NOTHING!
>
> Why don't you be a good little jewish pig spammer and post your
> bicycle spam to the proper newsgroup?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.rides/topics?lnk
>
> By flooding the liberal newsgroups with worthless cia pig spam, you
> and your spook husband are disrupting and discouraging any valid
> discussion by the American people.
>
> Who would want to wade through a swamp of your husband's and your
> spook-spam to find something on-topic worth reading?
>
> NOBODY.
>
> The net effect is the CIA have shut down the liberal newsgroups. It's
> not enough for you freaks to control every other aspect of the media.
> You CIA pig spammers have to hog all the usenet bandwidth too.
>
> You are a Jewish-American traitor and a disgrace to the human race.
>
> REPEAT:
>
> Why don't you be a good little jewish cia pig spammer and post your
> bicycle spam to the proper newsgroup?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.rides/topics?lnk
>
> You already said you're no fan of Michael Moore so
>
> FUCK-OFF, Mrs. Ed Conrad.
>
> Get on your bike and ride out of here.
>
> T.I.A.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You don't get it, do you? The American people have been enlaved by Big
Oil, and the Wise TibetanMonkey brings the humble bike as the vehicle
of liberation.

When was the last time you rode a bike in your community without
fear?

"Freedom in the West means Freedom from Oil." -Wise TibetanMonkey aka
Comandante Banana


--------------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

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TOPIC: Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
leave for dead.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0deefff98b9882ed?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 6:31 pm
From: "The Henchman"


None of this makes sense. Who Are you?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 8:39 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"


"The Henchman" <yup@yup.org> wrote in message
news:ik9ol3$f34$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> None of this makes sense. Who Are you?

Rod Speed's mindless brain is located between his junk and his anus. Look
there and it will all make sense to you.


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