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TOPIC: Should America Euthanize the Old People and Homeless?
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== 1 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 10:41 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
"T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ijrm3h$744$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 2/20/2011 11:28 AM, Simon Lewis wrote:
> > [...]
>> Oh. And you voted in George Bush
>> Jnr. Twice.[...]
>
> Only by a 5 to 4 vote in the 2000 election. And the 2004 election was so
> fraudulently conducted, who knows who actually won?
God damn fucking Gore could not even carry his home state. I believe Bush
did carry his home state.
The fact is that the country is evenly split between liberals and
conservatives. As far as I am concerned, it is a duel to the death.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 2 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 11:13 am
From: The Real Bev
On 02/20/11 09:28, Simon Lewis wrote:
> ...and you inflicted macdonalds on the world.
Last I heard nobody was forced to eat McDonald's stuff. Did I miss
something? How can you blame the USA and condemn your own people for
liking what they like?
--
Cheers, Bev
=====================================================
Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?
== 3 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 11:33 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ijrp5k$aaf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 02/20/11 09:28, Simon Lewis wrote:
>
>> ...and you inflicted macdonalds on the world.
>
> Last I heard nobody was forced to eat McDonald's stuff. Did I miss
> something? How can you blame the USA and condemn your own people for
> liking what they like?
A lot of the young people here in the USA seem to like Burger King better
than MacDonalds. I find all these burgers to be on the expensive side and I
only resort to them about once or twice a year.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 4 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 11:50 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>>>> My God, I believe Rod Speed is a genius almost on my level.
>>>> Much higher level than you, actually. Bet you havent got your own personal FAQ.
>>> Even so, you do not know how to edit a post.
>> You didnt either with that particular post, hypocrite.
> You didn't edit at all.
You didnt either with that particular post, hypocrite.
> Either get up to speed or get lost!
Go and fuck yourself, again.
>>> Or do you think we all like to review what has already been posted.
>> Nope, its there for those that choose to do that, stupid.
> No one but an asshole would ever want to review what has already been posted several times.
Wrong, most obviously with someone who chooses to jump
into a thread at that post and is interested in the context.
>>>>> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its
>>>>> faults, has created more wealth and freedom for more folks than
>>>>> any other system ever devised. What is so bad about that? Social
>>>>> welfare states eventually reduce everyone to the lowest common
>>>>> denominator.
>>>> Mine doesnt. We have plenty of stinking rich and plenty of pathetic wretches.
>>> The pathetic wretches can be taken care of via welfare.
>> Nope, some refuse to bother with it.
> But MOST don't!
Thats just plain wrong. The most pathetic wretches, the 'homeless'
drunks and drug addicts, find it a lot easier to engage in petty crime
and begging than to bother with the endless rigmarole that the welfare
system involves, particularly one like ours which has some very
stringent stuff on proof of identity thats designed to stop people
claiming more than one benefit in different names etc.
That involves a birth certificate, passport etc which the most pathetic
wretches dont even have at all.
>>> It is just a pittance after all.
>> Another lie. We're actually stupid enough to pay more to some
>> slut that has 5 kids than she can get in a minimum wage job.
> A minimum wage job would not support 5 kids.
It does here. Because our system stupidly pays a hell of a lot of money
per kid and those qualify for the full payment. The payments only cut out
at very substantial incomes. Terminally stupid middle class welfare.
>> And their situation leaves working for dead too, do anything
>> you like thats legal, someone looks after the brats for quite
>> a bit of most week days in schools, and you even get to
>> enjoy the fucking that produces the brats too.
> Yup, that is human nature for you. Either support the kids or send in the troops and kill them all.
The first world has never operated like that.
> Of course, if that is your solution, it is just a matter of time until they get around to killing you too.
The first world has never operated like that either.
>>> No one gives a damn about a few stinking rich.
>> Plenty of the wretches do.
> Nope,
Yep.
> all most want to do is just get by.
Wrong.
> Welfare makes it possible for them to just get by.
They do a hell of a lot better than just get by here and in western europe.
> A small price to pay for civil peace.
We didnt see civil chaos before we had welfare in the first world.
>>>>> The late unlamented Soviet Union is the poster child for all such systems.
>>>> Nope, thats communism, not socialism.
>>> Nope, it is basically the welfare state writ large.
>> Wrong, as always. Western europe is a lot closer
>> to that, with a much better standard of living as well.
> They are all going broke.
Like hell they are. Germany aint going broke.
> Here is the progression: liberalism-socialism-communism.
Even sillier. You cant list even a single example of socialism progressing to communism.
Not one communist system started from socialism.
> The welfare state as seen in Europe is half way to socialism.
Wrong again, its the most socialism seen.
> That is the direction we are going too in a big way with Obama.
Even sillier. Have fun listing even a single example of socialism that he has added.
>> Even the weather is better.
> Obviously you have never read anything about the horrors of the European climate
Guess which pathetic little prat has just got egg all over its pathetic little face ?
> and how it has effected the destiny of nations.
Guess which pathetic little prat has just got egg all over its pathetic little face ?
>>> Very strange that you do not realize this.
>> Not strange at all that you dont have a clue.
> I now have a pretty good clue about you
Nope, you have just dumped yourself face down in the mud, again.
> and it is not flattering at all.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.
Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone is
actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.
>>>>> Ask yourself, would you rather that everyone be equally poor,
>>>> That was never the case in the soviet union.
>>> The hell it wasn't.
>> Fraid so.
>>> Even the rulers were never filthy rich like our capitalist rulers.
>> They werent EQUALLY POOR.
> So what?
So you are face down in the mud, AGAIN.
> They were all relatively poor compared to the peoples of capitalist nations.
Another pig ignorant lie. The leadership lived a hell of a lot better
than say an employed engineer or doctor in capitalist nations.
> Why not go to North Korea and see for yourself what it is like in a communist paradise?
Its excellent for Kim Jong Il and his son.
Your EQUALLY POOR is just plain wrong.
>>> Yes, they had some privileges,
>> Just a few.
>>> but they had to pretend to be like every one else.
>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a
>> fucking clue about anything at all, ever. None of them ever did anything like that.
> They could not live openly like plutocrats.
Kim Jong Il does just that.
> Besides, the ruling class in all autocratic states is small.
Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant EQUALLY POOR claim.
> Like I said, who cares about a few rich.
Quite a few of those that aint anything like rich.
That might just be why so many of them were killed in
the russian and chinese and french revolutions, stupid.
> Everything is always relative to something else.
Irrelevant to that stupid pig ignorant claim of yours.
> The people of the Soviet Union were infinetly worse off than the people of any capitalist nation.
Not all of them were.
> And the direct cause of that poverty was communism.
Yes.
> Socialism is only slightly better.
Another pig ignorant lie. The dregs in western
europe live a lot better than the dregs in the US.
> If you want everyone equally poor, then the welfare state is the way to go.
No one is equally poor anywhere, fool.
>>>>> or that some few be rich and the remainder of us at least be well off?
>>>> Certainly most of us are better off than most in the soviet union.
>>> Well, that is the genius of the capitalist free enterprise system.
>> Nope, its also seen with the most aggressive socialism in places like scandinavia and holland.
> Those small nations have quite homogenous populations
Another pig ignorant lie. Holland is nothing like homogeneous.
> and no kind of socialism has ever worked well in a large nation.
Try telling that to the germans. Dont be too surprised when they just laugh in your stupid pig ignorant face.
> It is why it is also useless to talk about the virtues of Switzerland. Next you will be telling us how wonderful it is
> to live in Luxembourg.
Having fun thrashing that straw man, child ?
== 5 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 11:53 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> "T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its
>>> faults, has created more wealth and freedom for more folks than any other system ever devised. What is so bad about
>>> that? Social
>>> welfare states eventually reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator. The late unlamented Soviet Unionis the
>>> poster child for all such systems.
>> Oh, yes, life is so terrible for the Scandinavian, Germans, Beneluxians, and French. </sarcasm>
> Mr. Sherman needs to live in any of the above mentioned nations for a few years so can have some real world experience
> behind him instead of his liberal-socialist-communist cant to fall back on. I have known dozens of Europeans who
> emigrated to this country because they couldn't stand Europe.
I know dozens of americans that have emigrated out of america.
> Are there any average working class Americans who are emigrating to Europe?
Yep. And to plenty of other places too. One even posts in here.
== 6 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> you will not win any name calling contests on these cycling newsgroups.
>> I call a spade a spade, a stupid a stupid and a fuckwit a fuckwit.
> Jeez, don't be so hard on yourself!
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.
>> Thats not name calling, thats accurate characterisation, stupid.
> It surely is accurate as applied to yourself.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.
> But it's name calling pure and simple,
Calling you stupid isnt name calling, its accurate characterisation, stupid.
You're so stupid you cant even manage to work out that not everyone in the soviet union was equally poor.
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
== 7 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 8 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 9 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>> You put the shame in being Amerikan.
>> I'm not even an american, you stupid pig ignorant clown.
> Nope, this asshole is English.
Guess which pathetic little pig ignorant prat has just got egg all over its pathetic little face ?
<reams of its puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
== 10 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 11 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 12 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 13 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>>>> The answer is proving all citizens with unversal health
>>>>> care and housing, guaranteed living income (whether one
>>>>> is presently employed or not)...in a nutshell: socialized
>>>>> democracy in the fashion of western Europe.
>>>> Pity they ALL have poor people ANYWAY.
>>> A lot less than Amerika. One hell of a lot less.
>> Depends on how you define poor people.
>> And while america does have quite a few poor people,
>> they are mostly illegals and its a hell of a lot easier for
>> illegals to get into america than it is with western europe.
> Europe is being flooded with emigrants from the Near East and North Africa.
Its much harder for them to get into europe than it is for mexicans etc to get into the US.
> Europe is just as feckless about it as we are.
Nothing like as feckless actually.
You clowns actually let any cuban who wanted to come in.
>>>>> Your callous response is typical of Darwinian elitists...
>>>> Wrong. Its actually typical of those who have enough of
>>>> a clue to realise that there will ALWAYS be poor people,
>>>> even if its only the drunks and drug addict 'homeless' etc.
<reams of its puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
== 14 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 15 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 16 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:31 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Simon Lewis wrote
> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote
>> T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote
>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>>> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its
>>>> faults, has created more wealth and freedom for more folks than
>>>> any other system ever devised. What is so bad about that? Social
>>>> welfare states eventually reduce everyone to the lowest common
>>>> denominator. The late unlamented Soviet Union is the poster child
>>>> for all such systems.
>>> Oh, yes, life is so terrible for the Scandinavian, Germans, Beneluxians, and French. </sarcasm>
>> Mr. Sherman needs to live in any of the above mentioned nations
>> for a few years so can have some real world experience behind
>> him instead of his liberal-socialist-communist cant to fall back on.
>> I have known dozens of Europeans who emigrated to this country
>> because they couldn't stand Europe. Are there any average
>> working class Americans who are emigrating to Europe?
> Except for wider clothes and a huge nature variety what is better in the US?
Ask the huge number of europeans that migrate that way.
They must believe that there is more to it than that.
> You are provably more violent, prone to heart disease,
Thats mostly demographics that dont affect immigrants.
> tend to be red necks who only give a shit about #1, are despised
> throughout the world for invading countries on different continents
> and poisoning and maiming the civilian populace,
Corse no western europeans have ever done anything like that, eh ?
> for having zero idea about culture and real history,
Hordes migrate there anyway, even from western europe.
> have less holidays, a dickensian social security system, unaffordable collegiate systems,
Thats a lie.
> bullshit health support
Hordes migrate there anyway, even from western europe.
> and you inflicted macdonalds on the world.
They inflicted a hell of a lot more than macdonalds on the world.
> Oh. And you voted in George Bush Jnr. Twice.
Corse no one ever voted for Maggie Thatcher, eh ?
> Other than that, yeah ... Sounds great...
Hordes of western europeans clearly think so.
== 17 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:50 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Feb 20, 12:28 pm, Simon Lewis <simonlewis2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
> > "Tºm ShermªnT °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
> > messagenews:ijp8sq$jc$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> On 2/19/2011 2:34 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> > [...]
> >>> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its faults, has
> >>> created more wealth and freedom for more folks than any other system ever
> >>> devised. What is so bad about that? Social welfare states eventually
> >>> reduce
> >>> everyone to the lowest common denominator. The late unlamented Soviet
> >>> Union
> >>> is the poster child for all such systems.[...]
>
> >> Oh, yes, life is so terrible for the Scandinavian, Germans, Beneluxians,
> >> and French. </sarcasm>
>
> > Mr. Sherman needs to live in any of the above mentioned nations for a few
> > years so can have some real world experience behind him instead of his
> > liberal-socialist-communist cant to fall back on. I have known dozens of
> > Europeans who emigrated to this country because they couldn't stand Europe.
> > Are there any average working class Americans who are emigrating to Europe?
>
> Except for wider clothes and a huge nature variety what is better in
> the US?
>
> You are provably more violent, prone to heart disease, tend to be red
> necks who only give a shit about #1, are despised throughout the world
> for invading countries on different continents and poisoning and maiming
> the civilian populace, for having zero idea about culture and real
> history, have less holidays, a dickensian social security system,
> unaffordable collegiate systems, bullshit health support and you
> inflicted macdonalds on the world. Oh. And you voted in George Bush
> Jnr. Twice.
>
> Other than that, yeah ... Sounds great...
True, but that makes us #1, doesn't it?
== 18 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 1:22 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8sd9krFrcuU1@mid.individual.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote
[...]
>> No one but an asshole would ever want to review what has already been
>> posted several times.
>
> Wrong, most obviously with someone who chooses to jump
> into a thread at that post and is interested in the context.
These newsgroups are very small and everyone knows what is being posted
without having to review the same old shit over and over. Learn how to edit
or got lost - you god damn ignorant fool!
>>>>>> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its
>>>>>> faults, has created more wealth and freedom for more folks than
>>>>>> any other system ever devised. What is so bad about that? Social
>>>>>> welfare states eventually reduce everyone to the lowest common
>>>>>> denominator.
>
>>>>> Mine doesnt. We have plenty of stinking rich and plenty of pathetic
>>>>> wretches.
>
>>>> The pathetic wretches can be taken care of via welfare.
>
>>> Nope, some refuse to bother with it.
>
>> But MOST don't!
>
> Thats just plain wrong. The most pathetic wretches, the 'homeless'
> drunks and drug addicts, find it a lot easier to engage in petty crime
> and begging than to bother with the endless rigmarole that the welfare
> system involves, particularly one like ours which has some very
> stringent stuff on proof of identity thats designed to stop people
> claiming more than one benefit in different names etc.
Yes, I agree with you on the above. But even so, it is an insignificant
minority who resort to crime. MOST will go for the welfare - you god damn
ignorant fool!
> That involves a birth certificate, passport etc which the most pathetic
> wretches dont even have at all.
MOST folks are law abiding and are more put upon than anything else - you
god damn ignorant fool!
>>>> It is just a pittance after all.
>
>>> Another lie. We're actually stupid enough to pay more to some
>>> slut that has 5 kids than she can get in a minimum wage job.
>
>> A minimum wage job would not support 5 kids.
>
> It does here. Because our system stupidly pays a hell of a lot of money
> per kid and those qualify for the full payment. The payments only cut out
> at very substantial incomes. Terminally stupid middle class welfare.
Yes, it just barely does. That is OK with me. No one ever gets rich off of
welfare. It is just subsistence. You and I would not like it at all.
>>> And their situation leaves working for dead too, do anything
>>> you like thats legal, someone looks after the brats for quite
>>> a bit of most week days in schools, and you even get to
>>> enjoy the fucking that produces the brats too.
>
>> Yup, that is human nature for you. Either support the kids or send in the
>> troops and kill them all.
>
> The first world has never operated like that.
>
>> Of course, if that is your solution, it is just a matter of time until
>> they get around to killing you too.
>
> The first world has never operated like that either.
But that is the import of what you think of the situation. Either support
those who cannot support themselves or else kill them. I think we both agree
that it is better to just give them a little something to live on. It is the
price we pay for civil peace.
>>>> No one gives a damn about a few stinking rich.
>
>>> Plenty of the wretches do.
>
>> Nope,
>
> Yep.
>
>> all most want to do is just get by.
>
> Wrong.
>
>> Welfare makes it possible for them to just get by.
>
> They do a hell of a lot better than just get by here and in western
> europe.
No they don't. They just get by. You and I would not be happy with such a
reduced standard of living at all.
>> A small price to pay for civil peace.
>
> We didnt see civil chaos before we had welfare in the first world.
It was always a constant threat. What is given to the poor is insurance for
the rich. You need to study the history of revolutions.
>>>>>> The late unlamented Soviet Union is the poster child for all such
>>>>>> systems.
>
>>>>> Nope, thats communism, not socialism.
>
>>>> Nope, it is basically the welfare state writ large.
>
>>> Wrong, as always. Western europe is a lot closer
>>> to that, with a much better standard of living as well.
>
>> They are all going broke.
>
> Like hell they are. Germany aint going broke.
I have to laugh! Germany is being stuck with the bankruptcy of various
Mediterranean countries. I think the Euro is doomed as is the European
Union. In short, fuck Europe - and fuck you too by the way - you god damn
ignorant fool!
>> Here is the progression: liberalism-socialism-communism.
>
> Even sillier. You cant list even a single example of socialism progressing
> to communism.
Not a bad point I must admit. But that is because even socialisms all fail
before they can progress to communism. Nonetheless, that is the ideological
bent of leftists the world over.
> Not one communist system started from socialism.
For heavens sakes, read the history of Russian liberalism under the Czars.
That was exactly the progression - you god damn ignorant fool!
>> The welfare state as seen in Europe is half way to socialism.
>
> Wrong again, its the most socialism seen.
No, the governments do not yet own the means of production. They are welfare
states, but the tendency is toward ever more and more socialism. Hey, if you
hate capitalism, you are already a socialist.
>> That is the direction we are going too in a big way with Obama.
>
> Even sillier. Have fun listing even a single example of socialism that he
> has added.
Health care expansion via a government take over, probably not far off. I am
all for it, but it is socialism nonetheless.
>>> Even the weather is better.
>
>> Obviously you have never read anything about the horrors of the European
>> climate
>
> Guess which pathetic little prat has just got egg all over its pathetic
> little face ?
>
>> and how it has effected the destiny of nations.
>
> Guess which pathetic little prat has just got egg all over its pathetic
> little face ?
Has anyone ever told you that you are an asshole-idiot. Either respond to
the point or get lost - you god damn ignorant fool!
[...]
>> They were all relatively poor compared to the peoples of capitalist
>> nations.
>
> Another pig ignorant lie. The leadership lived a hell of a lot better
> than say an employed engineer or doctor in capitalist nations.
But they did not live better than a Rockefeller - you god damn ignorant
fool!
>> Why not go to North Korea and see for yourself what it is like in a
>> communist paradise?
>
> Its excellent for Kim Jong Il and his son.
But not for anyone else - you god damn ignorant fool!
> Your EQUALLY POOR is just plain wrong.
>
>>>> Yes, they had some privileges,
>
>>> Just a few.
>
>>>> but they had to pretend to be like every one else.
>
>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever
>>> had a
>>> fucking clue about anything at all, ever. None of them ever did anything
>>> like that.
>
>> They could not live openly like plutocrats.
>
> Kim Jong Il does just that.
I don't give a god damn about a few rich and neither does any else except
for a few god man ignorant fools like you.
>> Besides, the ruling class in all autocratic states is small.
>
> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant EQUALLY POOR claim.
It is totally relevant. I have already told you numerous times that a few
rich don't matter. It is what the masses have to contend with that matter -
you god damn ignorant fool!
>> Like I said, who cares about a few rich.
>
> Quite a few of those that aint anything like rich.
They don't give a god damn - you god damn ignorant fool!
> That might just be why so many of them were killed in
> the russian and chinese and french revolutions, stupid.
Reference the French Revolution, they were starving to death because of the
wretched European climate - you god damn ignorant fool.
>> Everything is always relative to something else.
>
> Irrelevant to that stupid pig ignorant claim of yours.
I knew you couldn't pick up on anything the least bit abstract - you god
damn ignorant fool!
>> The people of the Soviet Union were infinetly worse off than the people
>> of any capitalist nation.
>
> Not all of them were.
MOST of them were - you god damn ignorant fool!
>> And the direct cause of that poverty was communism.
>
> Yes.
>
>> Socialism is only slightly better.
>
> Another pig ignorant lie. The dregs in western
> europe live a lot better than the dregs in the US.
Who care how the dregs live. It is how the middle class lives that matters -
you god damn ignorant fool!
>> If you want everyone equally poor, then the welfare state is the way to
>> go.
>
> No one is equally poor anywhere, fool.
Yes, they are in communist nations. Only the rulers are well off.
>>>>>> or that some few be rich and the remainder of us at least be well
>>>>>> off?
>
>>>>> Certainly most of us are better off than most in the soviet union.
>
>>>> Well, that is the genius of the capitalist free enterprise system.
>
>>> Nope, its also seen with the most aggressive socialism in places like
>>> scandinavia and holland.
>
>> Those small nations have quite homogenous populations
>
> Another pig ignorant lie. Holland is nothing like homogeneous.
The recent immigrants have not yet been absorbed into the society. They
don't count - you god damn ignorant fool!
>> and no kind of socialism has ever worked well in a large nation.
>
> Try telling that to the germans. Dont be too surprised when they just
> laugh in your stupid pig ignorant face.
The Germans do not have anything approaching a full socialist system. Like
all the European nations they are only half way there - you god damn
ignorant fool!
>> It is why it is also useless to talk about the virtues of Switzerland.
>> Next you will be telling us how wonderful it is to live in Luxembourg.
>
> Having fun thrashing that straw man, child ?
Yes, tell us about how wonderful it is to live in a totally fucked-up nation
like Britain why don't you - you god damn ignorant fool!
Fucking Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 19 of 19 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 1:32 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8sdavqF55uU1@mid.individual.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for
> dead.
Rod Speed (note the anonymous cowardly user name) shits all over himself yet
once again.
Fucking Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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TOPIC: Ed Dolan & Rod Speed
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/386859a38e63e4d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 11:20 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
The problem I have with Rod Speed is the same problem I have with all those
who simply resort to calling others with whom they disagree with liars.
Either engage others on their level or forget about it. It is no good simply
calling others liars. What it does is bring out the devil in me.
For instance TM is such an idiot that it is difficult to engage him, but if
I were to do it, I would at least accord him the respect that I would want
for myself. Rod Speed fails in this most fundamental of all courtesies. It
is why I call him out for the god damn fool that he is.
These newsgroups require that we treat others as we would want to be
treated. What is so difficult about that? I no longer engage TM because his
posts send me into orbit with his idiocy. But I will engage a poster like
Rod Speed who is NOT an idiot, yet he provokes with his every utterance.
You provoke me at your peril. Rod Speed will learn this the hard way. You
can say anything you want on these forums, but calling other liars with your
every other sentence is NOT acceptable. I will crucify all those who resort
to this most imbecilic of all tactics. Even TM, as much as I despise him for
the simpleton that he is, is a human being deserving of respect. I hate
bullies and that is what Rod Speed is.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:33 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 1:29 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8sdc45FddrU1@mid.individual.net...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN POST ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO WHICH
HE IS RESPONDING. WHAT AN IDIOT!
> Edward Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for
> dead.
Fuck you too you god damn ignorant asshole.
Fucking Regards,,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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TOPIC: Think Solar!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5253ebde52a30f54?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 12:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Gordon wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Lamumba wrote
>>>>> It's just about the only source of all of our energy.
>>>> Wrong, as always. Pity about nukes.
>>> Nukes and dry cell batteries. Everything else can be traced back to solar.
>> Nope, geothermal cant.
> One for you. I forgot about that one.
It aint the only one, tidal power cant either.
>>>>> Passive Solar is very cost effective.
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>> Depends on how it's implemented.
>> Its hardly ever very cost effective.
> Depends on how it's implemented.
Nope, its very difficult for it to be very cost effective.
Even just hyperinsulation is generally much more cost effective
basically because its now so cheap to hyperinsulate.
>>> A conventional house, properly oriented, with large
>>> south facing windows (or north facing for those of
>>> you down under) can be very cost effective.
>> Depends on the location. It can be not very cost effective.
> True.
Particularly where its cold enough to need triple glazing
and fancy shuttering etc for when the sun isnt around.
> But with a good location, it would be stupid to
> not make some attempt at passive solar heating.
Yes, and thats why I did it myself, but it was much more
expensive than just the conventional wall there instead
and I dont even have double glazing, just single.
> As with any design one must look at the cost/benefit ratio.
Yes, but the original didnt say that.
>>> Since the house is being constructed anyway, there
>>> is no additional cost to take advantage of solar gain.
>> Thats just plain wrong. I did that myself and the massive
>> great patio doors on that side of the house cost a lot
>> more than the conventional wall thats the alternative.
> I would say that you went a bit above and beyond "conventional".
Nope, less in fact because its only single glazing.
> If that wall was not facing north(?)(You're down under right?)
> you wouldn't have included the patio doors.
Thats wrong too. I have almost as many on the south side.
They are for the summer because I prefer an outside inside effect
in summer. There are no conventional windows at all except in the
bathrooms and toilets and above the kitchen sinks. The kitchens
are both on one side of massive big open plan main rooms.
> So they are additional cost to capture the sun.
So your no additional cost is just plain wrong.
> The house I lived in for 4 years had several large (about 4x6) windows in it's south wall.
Mine are 10x8 The biggest main room has 5 of those, 3 on the north side.
> Not optimal for solar gain.
Yeah, nothing like it.
> But, conventional. The house was built for esthetics
I recon my esthetics leave it for dead.
> and cost. It just happened to be well sited and oriented for passive
> solar gain. And it worked. On sunny winter days we could turn off
> the central heat and just depend on the sun to keep the house warm.
Yeah, I do too. I bask in the sun quite literally on sunny winter days.
I dont bother with central heat anymore, use what we call a heated
throw, basically an electric blanket used on the deep armchair.
All that glass was nothing like no cost tho, it actually cost more than the rest of the walls.
And its only single glazing. Our winters arent all that cold, we do occassional get a day
that doesnt get above 0C all day but they are rare, only a couple a year at most.
Gets pretty cold overnight tho.
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TOPIC: Thanks for T-Mobile advice
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9f7b4c801b0b5443?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 1:07 pm
From: " Terri Smith"
A few months back I wrote about a problem I had with Tracfone. TF added
time to my account in error then demanded I pay for it. I refused and I
lost all the service for which I paid and they would not return my money.
Turned out to be a blessing. Credit card company agreed that TF was in the
wrong and returned my money. Then someone on this group suggested I look
at T-mobile prepaid.
Bought T-mobiles $119 Comet android phone and it works fine and the phone
service is much cheaper then tracfone after the 1st year.
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TOPIC: An awesome kleeto experience
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c2c091c452647c9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 1:14 pm
From: rahul
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really awesome. Now, I am looking forward to become its most loyal
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