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misc.consumers.frugal-living - 11 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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TOPIC: If every roof was a solar panel
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 11:47 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote
>> <me@privacy.net> wrote

>>> something I came across

>>> USA has no place to PUT spent fuel

>>> http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=315726

>> Whe have a place, at Yucca Mountain. However,
>> a bunch of scaremongers caused it to be shut down.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository

>> http://www.yuccamountain.org/

And it can obviously be started again when that makes sense.

> Then in fact we have no place to put spent fuel. Another interesting fact
> is that no nation has a permanent installation to store spent nuclear fuel

Because they all either reprocess or plan to do that sometime, fool.

And you are lying about permanent storage of nuclear waste.

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TOPIC: The Beach Cruiser Philosophy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 8:07 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 26, 7:35 am, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> Philosopher
>
>
>
> > On Mar 25, 5:44 pm, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> >> Responding to: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> >> Philosopher
>
> >> > I don't need to tell you that the our roads are the worst place to
> >> > be. I'd imagine Hell to be a place for cyclists that must endure
> >> > endless traffic along honking horns, noise, rage and insults.
>
> >> > Hey, you don't need to be. You can find a beach somewhere and ride
> >> > your beach cruiser for hours on end with nothing but the shining sun
> >> > or stars and exchange smiles with friendly riders. I'm not promoting
> >> > flirting but that can happen too.
>
> >> > Notice that moving SLOWLY on a beach cruiser gives you the right
> >> > balance of COMFORT and RELAXATION. A beautiful unique cruiser is a
> >> > must. Only a good philosophy of life, the opposite of "life is a
> >> > bitch," can be created under under those idyllic conditions. Yes,
> >> > LIFE'S A BEACH, or at least it's in your hands to make it happen.
> >> > AVOID HELL AT ALL COSTS!
>
> >> As Elaine Morgan pointed out, our ancestors were beachcombers.
>
> >> We've probably got a genetic predisposition to your suggestion.
>
> >> --
> >> *=(http://www.churchofreality.org/
>
> > And BIPEDAL to boot. Clearly all the evidence we need.
>
> > Oh, this definitely proves that God didn't invent the wheel.
>
> I suspect these things come in cycles. %)

I have reasons to believe God hates bicycles because man is
independent from his will and he can pedal himself.

I see this church's parking lot that says: "NO PEDESTRIANS,
MOTORCYCLES OR BICYCLES."

Of course, they charge for admission.

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TOPIC: Who has the cheapest Nuklar incident insurance?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 11:03 am
From: bob haller

On Mar 24, 3:20 pm, Karen Silkwood <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> I don't want any glow in the dark insurance. who has the best deal.
> I'm very frugal.
> --
> Karma, What a concept!

I dont believe its available....... I asked my agent and he said it
wasnt normally sold

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TOPIC: Is the Revolution coming to the UK? Thousands crowd central London
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 11:36 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

At this pace we will have one in America pretty soon. Well, we don't
have a strongman like in the Arab world. We just suffer from
entrenched elites and a Globalization that makes the rich richer and
the poor poorer. Don't worry, we can scream all we want.

And if it ain't the bike revolution who cares anyway.

LONDON – Tens of thousands of mostly peaceful demonstrators streamed
into central London on Saturday to march against government budget
cuts, with a small breakaway group smashing its way into a bank,
breaking windows and spray painting logos on the walls.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110326/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_protest

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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

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TOPIC: Nuclear Crisis in Japan
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 1:14 pm
From: "Robert Green"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> Robert Green wrote

RG> >>> but it's also no guarantee of not getting the M9.0
RG> >>> hell shaken out of you no matter where you build.

RS> >> Thats just plain wrong.

RG> > How so?

RS> If you build in the middle of one of the major plates,
RS> you wont get the M9.0 hell shaken out of you.

RG> > Without any reasoning to support your statement, it's just your word.

RS> Nope, its also a fact.

Oops. I guess you're really Rod Slow and haven't read the news. I'll quote
a geologist this time, so you don't get your underoo panties all in a "pig
ignorant" bunch about sources:

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=2027&page=11:

"As recently as 15 years ago, there was no geologic explanation for the four
magnitude 8 earthquakes that struck New Madrid, Missouri, in 1811-1812 and
devastated the area. Because they occurred in the middle of the North
American plate, ordinary concepts of plate interaction did not fit.
Geologists now understand that those earthquakes were caused by flexing
within the North American plate, causing reactivation of a rift in the crust
of the earth that formed over 500 million years ago. That rift has been
reactivated repeatedly."

His credentials: Dr. Robert M. Hamilton is with the USGS. Dr. Hamilton's
doctoral degree is in geophysics from the University of California at
Berkeley. He has been with the U.S. Geological Survey since 1968 in a
variety of roles, including Chief Geologist, Chief of the Office of
Earthquake Studies, and coordinator of the Deep Continental Studies program

What you want to linger on is "occurred in the middle of the North American
plate." Can you imagine that? You're dead wrong. And so would thousands
of people if there was a nuke plant sited over your supposedly earthquake
proof plate center.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Is+any+place+on+earth+safe+from+earthquakes

"Ninety percent of the world's earthquakes occur along plate boundaries
where the rocks are usually weaker and yield more readily to stress than do
the rocks within a plate. The remaining 10 percent occur in areas away from
present plate boundaries -- like the great New Madrid, Missouri, earthquakes
of 1811 and 1812, felt over at least 3.2 million square kilometers, which
occurred in a region of southeast Missouri that continues to show seismic
activity today."

Source:

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/PlateTectonics/description_plate_tectonics.html

That's not "any journo" as you implied, it's the USGS/Cascades Volcano
Observatory, Vancouver, Washington. In case you're totally ignorant, the
USGS stands for US Geological Survey - now slowly say it with me - run by
GEE-OL-O-GISTS. You may think simply saying "you're wrong" proves your
point, but it proves instead that your points are mostly pointless and
merely represent your own rather deluded opinions that you try to present as
fact via bluster with nothing by pixie dust to back your comical claims.

Of course, when you insist that a helicopter carrying water to a reactor
building that's burning isn't a fire-fighting helo, it's going to be hard to
convince you of even the most fundamental truth. The truth is that plates
are
subject to rotational stress and other forces that can cause severe seismic
activity smack dab in the middle of the plate, 100's of miles from any plate
boundary.

http://www.dnr.mo.gov/geology/geosrv/geores/techbulletin1.htm

"Due to the harder, colder, drier and less fractured nature of the rocks in
the earth's crust in the central United States, earthquakes in this region
shake and damage an area approximately 20 times larger than earthquakes in
California and most other active seismic areas"

So, that pretty much shoots to shit your mistaken theory - let me quote you
so I get it righ. You said:

RS>> "If you build in the middle of one of the major plates, you wont get
the
RS>> M9.0 hell shaken out of you."

Go look on a map of the US. Tell me why one one of the largest quakes in
US history happened smack dab in the middle of the plate you say is a "safe
zone?" What tectonic plate do you claim is responsible for the New Madrid
quake, one of the largest on record, occuring far inland on the North
American continent? (Here's a Geography 101 plate map for you to check:)

http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/tectonics_landforms/tectonics_introduction.html

RG> > I'll agree that some places are far more likely to pop 9.0 on the
RG> > Richter scale. However, I happen to know you're dead wrong
RG> > in this case because time and time again I've read that there's
RG> > no immunity to earthquakes anywhere in the world.

RS> Just because some fool claims something repeatedly doesnt make it
gospel.

Sage advice, Rod, it's just that in this case, you're the "some fool." (-:
Beyond irony.

RG> > Do you have contrary information?
>
RS > Yep.

Sure you do, Rod. There is NO earthquake proof area on earth. Do the
research instead of pulling "factoids" out of your Aussie arse and saying
things that are completely, demonstrably false.

--
Bobby G.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 2:43 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Robert Green wrote
> Rod Speed rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com wrote
>> Robert Green wrote

>>>>> but it's also no guarantee of not getting the M9.0
>>>>> hell shaken out of you no matter where you build.

>>>> Thats just plain wrong.

>>> How so?

>> If you build in the middle of one of the major plates,
>> you wont get the M9.0 hell shaken out of you.

>>> Without any reasoning to support your statement, it's just your word.

>> Nope, its also a fact.

> Oops. I guess you're really Rod Slow and haven't read the news.

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

> I'll quote a geologist this time, so you don't get your underoo
> panties all in a "pig ignorant" bunch about sources:

> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=2027&page=11:

Thats nothing even remotely resembling anything like the news.

Pity you cant actually cite even a single example of place in
the middle of a plate getting the M9.0 hell shaken out of it.

> "As recently as 15 years ago, there was no geologic explanation for
> the four magnitude 8 earthquakes that struck New Madrid, Missouri, in
> 1811-1812 and devastated the area.

Those arent getting the M9.0 hell shaken out of it.

> Because they occurred in the middle of the North American plate,
> ordinary concepts of plate interaction did not fit. Geologists now
> understand that those earthquakes were caused by flexing within
> the North American plate, causing reactivation of a rift

So it isnt the middle of a plate, fool.

> in the crust of the earth that formed over 500 million
> years ago. That rift has been reactivated repeatedly."

So it isnt the middle of a plate, fool.

> His credentials: Dr. Robert M. Hamilton is with the USGS. Dr.
> Hamilton's doctoral degree is in geophysics from the University
> of California at Berkeley. He has been with the U.S. Geological
> Survey since 1968 in a variety of roles, including Chief Geologist,
> Chief of the Office of Earthquake Studies, and coordinator of the
> Deep Continental Studies program

> What you want to linger on is "occurred in the middle of the North American plate."

Right on a rift in that plate, fool.

> Can you imagine that? You're dead wrong.

Nope, you are, on two counts.

> And so would thousands of people if there was a nuke plant
> sited over your supposedly earthquake proof plate center.

> http://www.google.com/search?q=Is+any+place+on+earth+safe+from+earthquakes

We were talking about getting the M9.0 hell shaken out of you,
not just earthquakes, fool.

> "Ninety percent of the world's earthquakes occur along plate
> boundaries where the rocks are usually weaker and yield more readily
> to stress than do the rocks within a plate. The remaining 10 percent
> occur in areas away from present plate boundaries -- like the great
> New Madrid, Missouri, earthquakes of 1811 and 1812, felt over at
> least 3.2 million square kilometers, which occurred in a region of
> southeast Missouri that continues to show seismic activity today."

Pity that didnt get the M9.0 hell shaken out of it, fool.

> Source:

> http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/PlateTectonics/description_plate_tectonics.html

> That's not "any journo" as you implied, it's the USGS/Cascades
> Volcano Observatory, Vancouver, Washington.

Pity its nothing like what was actually being discussed, fool.

> The truth is that plates are subject to rotational stress and
> other forces that can cause severe seismic activity smack dab
> in the middle of the plate, 100's of miles from any plate boundary.

But not from a rift in the plate, fool.

> http://www.dnr.mo.gov/geology/geosrv/geores/techbulletin1.htm

> "Due to the harder, colder, drier and less fractured nature of the
> rocks in the earth's crust in the central United States, earthquakes
> in this region shake and damage an area approximately 20 times larger
> than earthquakes in California and most other active seismic areas"

Pity its not getting the M9.0 hell shaken out of you, fool.

> So, that pretty much shoots to shit your mistaken theory

Not if you consider rifts in the plates fool.

> - let me quote you so I get it righ. You said:

>>> "If you build in the middle of one of the major plates,
>>> you wont get the M9.0 hell shaken out of you."

Yes, I should have included rifts in the plates, fool.

> Go look on a map of the US. Tell me why one one of the largest
> quakes in US history happened smack dab in the middle of the
> plate you say is a "safe zone?" What tectonic plate do you claim
> is responsible for the New Madrid quake, one of the largest on
> record, occuring far inland on the North American continent?
> (Here's a Geography 101 plate map for you to check:)

Pity it didnt get the M9.0 hell shaken out of you, fool.

> http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/tectonics_landforms/tectonics_introduction.html

>>> I'll agree that some places are far more likely to pop 9.0 on the
>>> Richter scale. However, I happen to know you're dead wrong
>>> in this case because time and time again I've read that there's
>>> no immunity to earthquakes anywhere in the world.

>> Just because some fool claims something repeatedly doesnt make it gospel.

>>> Do you have contrary information?

> RS > Yep.

> Sure you do, Rod. There is NO earthquake proof area on earth.

There are plenty of areas that dont get the M9.0 hell shaken out of them, fool.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 7:55 pm
From: I'll Always Be 26/03/11

In article <8v750uFnvqU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

reams of your pig ignorant mindless **** flushed where it belong

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TOPIC: Learn How You Can Get In On The 3 Trillions Dollars That Trade In The
FOREX Marketplace Everyday!
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Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 5:54 pm
From: Ethan Poltrack

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TOPIC: Hearing aid w/o going through a doctor
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 7:48 pm
From: aesthete8

Any recommendations?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 8:34 pm
From: Michael Black

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011, aesthete8 wrote:

> Any recommendations?
>
Get an MP3 player, figure out where the audio amplifier starts, and
add microphones. It likely would be easier, more space, with a pocket
AM/FM radio, but MP3 players are smaller these days.

But there will be problems.

A hearing aid is not just an amplifier (which is what you'll get if you
$20 hearing aids out of the back of TV Guide or the flyer insert in the
paper), it includes various bits of processing (so you can hear that weak
sound outside, yet the stronger sound next to you won't overload your
ears) and frequency compensation, to adjust the frequency response to
match the decay of your hearing (it isn't a matter of losing sensitivity
to sound, it's a matter of losing response to the higher frequencies, so
you want a reverse slope rather than just lots of amplification).

Hence one reason for seeing a doctor is so they do the test (or have
the test arranged) to check your hearing to see how it plots, and then of
course configure a hearing aid to match your level/quality of hearing
loss.

Until you grasp what's needed in order to get a proper hearing aid, you
will not be making frugal decisions.

Michael

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Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 11:04 pm
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