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TOPIC: If every roof was a solar panel
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== 1 of 21 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 11:24 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <8uqnamF15jU2@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> It only looks practical if you are thinking "free sunlight"....
>
> >>>>>>> ok but what if every roof in the USA had just one square
> >>>>>>> yard of panel.... again one every roof coast to coast
>
> >>>>>> It would be a waste of a hell of a lot of money.
>
> >>>>>> Essentially because square yard of panel wont power very much.
>
> >>>>>>> And every roof was grid tied into the system so as to inject this
> >>>>>>> power back into grid
>
> >>>>>> All that would do is put more power into the grid when it isnt needed.
>
> >>>>>> Its needed most when people start cooking in the evening etc and
> >>>>>> in the winter for heating once they come home from work etc and
> >>>>>> would be no use for that.
>
> >>>>> Yes, because nowhere in the civilized world would anyone use air
> >>>>> conditioning during the day
>
> >>>> A square yard of panel aint gunna drive a house's air conditioning,
> >>>> stupid.
>
> >>> And the poster wasn't talking about one square yard, drongo, he was
> >>> talking about every roof. Do learn to read
>
> >> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to see the one square
> >> yard panel mentioned in the second para, fuckwit.
>
> > Even a drongo like you should be able to see the "one on every roof
> > coast to coast" mentioned in the second para. Do learn to read
>
> You're hallucinating, again.
Translation: He is absolutely correct and I didn't notice the part about every
roof coast to coast. I am such a drongo
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== 2 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 1:34 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 3 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 5:36 am
From: me@privacy.net
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Even someone as stupid as you should be able to see the one square
>yard panel mentioned in the second para, fuckwit.
>
there are 130 million roofs in the USA
so that's 130 million square yards total
== 4 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 9:46 am
From: "Rod Speed"
me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to see the
>> one square yard panel mentioned in the second para, fuckwit.
> there are 130 million roofs in the USA
So the cost would be immense.
And they would mostly be generating power at a
time of day when the grid has a surplus of power.
THATS the very fundamental problem with solar on the grid.
> so that's 130 million square yards total
Nope, because they wouldnt all be working for long.
== 5 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 10:56 am
From: J Burns
On 3/22/11 12:21 AM, Michael Black wrote:
>
> Note that wind power was somewhat common in the thirties on farms,
> they'd be used to charge some batteries for the radio and maybe a few
> other things, before electricity had been brought to the farms. But they
> basically lived without electricity, so they used other "power" to
> heat the homes and cook the food, and the wind power was just a supplement.
My BIL, a cabinetmaker, has used a windmill to run his household, shop,
and car since the 1990s. He sells his excess to the utility.
Naturally he doesn't use electricity to heat � but I doubt any of his
neighbors have heat pumps, either. I'm sure his refrigeration is
electric. I'll bet he has electric cooking, but I haven't asked.
>
>
> Forty years ago, a house could live with relative little electricity, if
> done properly and the will was there. But they'd do things like get
> propane powered refrigerators. But also, there was a lot less things
> around the house that ran off electricity. And what you'd do is modify
> the equipment to run off DC or buy equipment that ran off DC, so you'd
> avoid collecting power through solar panels and then using an inverter
> to get the power up to 120VAC, which the equipment would then convert
> internally down to a lower voltage DC.
>
> And you'd change your life, take advantage of daylight sun, and then go
> to bed as darkness arrived (more or less). Solar power disappears at
> night, hence the need for storage system in order to provide power when
> the sun isn't out.
>
> Michael
Forty years ago, I knew a rich man who had been a corporate president,
then a farmer, then retired. He lived in an elegant house he'd built.
He once complained that his electric bill was nearly $2.
He loved the convenience of electricity for lighting, music, cooking,
refrigerating, water heating, etc. He kept his refrigerator in the
cellar because it made sense to put it where it was cool and he didn't
want noise in his living space. If he had a few minutes to spare, he'd
cook with wood because it was more enjoyable than electricity. His
electric bill was low because he had 19th Century aesthetic values.
== 6 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 10:56 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <8ur58pFt0mU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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== 7 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 10:58 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <8us22gFl0hU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> And they would mostly be generating power at a
> time of day when the grid has a surplus of power.
Because of course there is no such thing as increased demand for air
conditioning in the summer.
== 8 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 11:26 am
From: The Real Bev
On 03/21/11 20:21, Karen Silkwood wrote:
> In article<8upn8eF4jmU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed"<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
>> > Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> me@privacy.net wrote
>> >>> AndyS<jungleandy1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>
>> >>>> It only looks practical if you are thinking "free sunlight"....
>>
>> >>> ok but what if every roof in the USA had just one square
>> >>> yard of panel.... again one every roof coast to coast
>>
>> >> It would be a waste of a hell of a lot of money.
>>
>> >> Essentially because square yard of panel wont power very much.
>>
>> >>> And every roof was grid tied into the system so as to inject this
>> >>> power back into grid
>>
>> >> All that would do is put more power into the grid when it isnt needed.
>>
>> >> Its needed most when people start cooking in the evening etc and in
>> >> the winter for heating once they come home from work etc and would
>> >> be no use for that.
>>
>> > Yes, because nowhere in the civilized world would anyone use air
>> > conditioning during the day
>>
>> A square yard of panel aint gunna drive a house's air conditioning, stupid.
>
> But some shading and maybe a swamp cooler can eliminate the need for A.C.
More like 'may' instead of 'can'. You've never been to Yuma in August,
I take it...
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== 9 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 11:29 am
From: The Real Bev
On 03/22/11 10:56, J Burns wrote:
> On 3/22/11 12:21 AM, Michael Black wrote:
>
>> Note that wind power was somewhat common in the thirties on farms,
>> they'd be used to charge some batteries for the radio and maybe a few
>> other things, before electricity had been brought to the farms. But they
>> basically lived without electricity, so they used other "power" to
>> heat the homes and cook the food, and the wind power was just a supplement.
>
> My BIL, a cabinetmaker, has used a windmill to run his household, shop,
> and car since the 1990s. He sells his excess to the utility.
>
> Naturally he doesn't use electricity to heat � but I doubt any of his
> neighbors have heat pumps, either. I'm sure his refrigeration is
> electric. I'll bet he has electric cooking, but I haven't asked.
He clearly doesn't live in a city -- I can't imagine any City Zoning
Board allowing a windmill, and many HOAs don't even allow clotheslines.
I wouldn't mind having a windmill in the backyard, and I'd LOVE a cell
tower!
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== 10 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 12:14 pm
From: me@privacy.net
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>So the cost would be immense.
>
>And they would mostly be generating power at a
>time of day when the grid has a surplus of power.
>
>THATS the very fundamental problem with solar on the grid.
>
>> so that's 130 million square yards total
>
>Nope, because they wouldnt all be working for long.
maybe
I can put a square yard panel on roof and inverter for
abt $800
since the USA has 4 times zones that fact helps...since
each roof gets sun at varying times of day
even if its not stored...what does it hurt?
we use the nukes, coal, and gas at night
== 11 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 12:16 pm
From: me@privacy.net
Karen Silkwood <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>What if every yard had a garden. Plants have solar displays. called
>leaves. If you have a nice southern exposure for your house install
>bigger windows with adjustable shading. Free Heat.
watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtmU2lD97o
== 12 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 12:16 pm
From: me@privacy.net
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>Solar power disappears at night,
watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtmU2lD97o
== 13 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 12:17 pm
From: me@privacy.net
bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> wrote:
>worse storage batteries age and will need replaced......
watch this video
we don't need batteries
== 14 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 3:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> And they would mostly be generating power at a
>> time of day when the grid has a surplus of power.
> Because of course there is no such thing as increased
> demand for air conditioning in the summer.
Mostly when people get home from work, when the panels are producing fuck all power, stupid.
And its a stupidly expensive way to produce peak load power anyway.
== 15 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 3:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev wrote
> J Burns wrote
>> Michael Black wrote
>>> Note that wind power was somewhat common in the thirties on farms,
>>> they'd be used to charge some batteries for the radio and maybe a
>>> few other things, before electricity had been brought to the
>>> farms. But they basically lived without electricity, so they used
>>> other "power" to heat the homes and cook the food, and the wind
>>> power was just a supplement.
>> My BIL, a cabinetmaker, has used a windmill to run his household,
>> shop, and car since the 1990s. He sells his excess to the utility.
>> Naturally he doesn't use electricity to heat � but I doubt any of his
>> neighbors have heat pumps, either. I'm sure his refrigeration is
>> electric. I'll bet he has electric cooking, but I haven't asked.
> He clearly doesn't live in a city -- I can't imagine any City Zoning Board allowing a windmill,
Some do. Not usually the traditional types of windmill.
> and many HOAs don't even allow clotheslines.
So dont be stupid enough to 'live' in one of those.
> I wouldn't mind having a windmill in the backyard,
I actually had one at work. Pretty useless.
> and I'd LOVE a cell tower!
You're just a pov, you dont qualify.
== 16 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 3:14 pm
From: J Burns
On 3/22/11 2:29 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 03/22/11 10:56, J Burns wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/11 12:21 AM, Michael Black wrote:
>>
>>> Note that wind power was somewhat common in the thirties on farms,
>>> they'd be used to charge some batteries for the radio and maybe a few
>>> other things, before electricity had been brought to the farms. But they
>>> basically lived without electricity, so they used other "power" to
>>> heat the homes and cook the food, and the wind power was just a
>>> supplement.
>>
>> My BIL, a cabinetmaker, has used a windmill to run his household, shop,
>> and car since the 1990s. He sells his excess to the utility.
>>
>> Naturally he doesn't use electricity to heat � but I doubt any of his
>> neighbors have heat pumps, either. I'm sure his refrigeration is
>> electric. I'll bet he has electric cooking, but I haven't asked.
>
> He clearly doesn't live in a city -- I can't imagine any City Zoning
> Board allowing a windmill, and many HOAs don't even allow clotheslines.
>
> I wouldn't mind having a windmill in the backyard, and I'd LOVE a cell
> tower!
>
They're thinking of replacing towers with Alcatel LightRadio Cubes.
== 17 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 3:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> So the cost would be immense.
>> And they would mostly be generating power at a
>> time of day when the grid has a surplus of power.
>> THATS the very fundamental problem with solar on the grid.
>>> so that's 130 million square yards total
>> Nope, because they wouldnt all be working for long.
> maybe
No maybe about it, you'll never see 100% of anything working
forever, even stuff as basic as a stove or vacuum cleaner or bike.
> I can put a square yard panel on roof and inverter for abt $800
And you wouldnt be able to power much more than lights and electronic appliances from it.
None of those once it gets dark.
> since the USA has 4 times zones that fact helps...
> since each roof gets sun at varying times of day
Sure, but none of them get anything from the panels at night.
> even if its not stored...what does it hurt?
Its the cost that hurts.
> we use the nukes, coal, and gas at night
Once you have those, there isnt any point in spending that $130B on a square yard of panel on every roof.
The marginal cost of running the nukes during the day is peanuts. They dont like being stopped daily anyway.
== 18 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 3:21 pm
From: J Burns
On 3/22/11 2:26 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 03/21/11 20:21, Karen Silkwood wrote:
>> But some shading and maybe a swamp cooler can eliminate the need for A.C.
>
> More like 'may' instead of 'can'. You've never been to Yuma in August, I
> take it...
>
I guess that's why the Yuma County Fair warns that the Fine Arts
Building has evaporative cooling only. I'll bet it will be fine March
29 to April 3. I imagine it would be adequate on many August days.
== 19 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 4:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
me@privacy.net wrote
> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote
>> Solar power disappears at night,
> watch this video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtmU2lD97o
He's completely off with the fairys. And my qualifications are in chemisty.
== 20 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 5:25 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <8usl5qF9gaU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mostly when people get home from work, when the panels are producing fuck all
> power, stupid.
But of course no business would ever consider airconditioning their store or
office during the heat of the summer when the panels are producing the most
power, drongo
> And its a stupidly expensive way to produce peak load power anyway.
But spread out over several time zones and millions of rooftops it's a perfect
way to produce extra base load. Do learn something about the grid
== 21 of 21 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 7:03 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mostly when people get home from work, when
>> the panels are producing fuck all power, stupid.
> But of course no business would ever consider airconditioning
> their store or office during the heat of the summer
Those can be perfectly adequately powered with the baseload power generation, fuckwit.
Its completely insane to be spending anything like $130B to replace
the existing baseload power generation for that particular load, much
more expensively.
>> And its a stupidly expensive way to produce peak load power anyway.
> But spread out over several time zones and millions
> of rooftops it's a perfect way to produce extra base load.
Pity about the immensely more expensive cost, fuckwit.
That approach would completely cripple the economy, fuckwit.
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TOPIC: NYC Sell used furs - Henry Cowit, Inc.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 4:13 am
From: carol moore
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muffs, fur scarves, fur boas, and fur ponchos.
For more information visit the:http://www.cowitfurs.com/aboutus.php
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TOPIC: Reporting from the front lines --on a bicycle
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 6:25 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
After I learned that this bike organization got committed to a fight
over a mile of bike lane --he found heavy resistance from property
owners-- I decided to chip in and left my own comment...
THIS IS THE COMMENT I LEFT:
Some of the comments from property owners are selfish, some are true.
What are you going to do about a bike lane that disappears?
Better to put signs to SHARE THE ROAD WITH CYCLISTS or better yet:
1- Place liability on the car,
2- Place SPEED CAMERAS,
3- Place undercover police as cyclists,
4- Ban phones and other unnecessary gadgets.
It's a good idea to TAME TRAFFIC to protect cyclists –and
pedestrians.
http://miamibikereport.com/2011/fdot-red-road-project/#comment-543
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I may have been given the impression above that I'm against bike
lanes. I'm not. I'm just against bike lanes that go nowhere and I say
that they are substitute for taming traffic. Taming traffic is not
easy and it may amount to a civil war of sorts as the enemy is us.
Actually, after yet another close encounter with an SUV on Indian
Creek, I'm giving up this stretch from 71st to 41st ST as NO MAN'S
LAND. I momentarily got on the road with my monkey bike to avoid this
group of people on the sidewalk, and there came this animal blasting
the horn and squeezing me. Even Pine/La Gorce are very unsafe due to
undefined space and middle isles that squeeze you. After 47st ST the
parked cars force you to take the lane, and again, it sounds like a
suicidal mission. A bike lane is the only solution in this area.
A temporary retreat is a valid survival strategy. This guy I met at
MacCycle treats the roads as a "war zone." I asked him if he carried a
bazooka and we got a big laugh.
I also met this European guy renting a Deco Bike and told him of
"Revolutions for the Planet" campaign. He told me that in Paris they
come under attack too. I'm sure they are not as mean, but I don't
doubt that in Paris there are many animals too --without the heavy
armor. I got these T-shirt that I sell --and wear-- sometimes:
"Fart de Paris"
It's meant to say, nothing special about the French.
No further reports from the front lines.
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 7:38 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 22, 9:54 am, ste...@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the
>
> Bullshit Campaign <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I may have been given the impression above that I'm against
> >bike lanes. I'm not. I'm just against bike lanes that go
> >nowhere and I say that they are substitute for taming
> >traffic. Taming traffic is not easy and it may amount to a
> >civil war of sorts as the enemy is us.
>
> Bike lanes tame traffic!
>
> Here's the results of a one-mile bike lane in my neighborhood:http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/20110120_ppw.pdf
Yeah, but that bike lane is something you can take your kids too --
sheltered from traffic-- and it must take you somewhere. This lane is
next to traffic --not a chance you can take kids-- and it drops you
right in the middle of nowhere. They do it because the miles count
toward the city's "accomplishments." We got some unconnected bike
lanes like that around here and then people fight you when you ride
outside one. I bet you, the designers don't ride the lanes they
design.
This particular project touches me personally because my girlfriend's
obese son lives in that area, and we already gave him two bikes for
him and his kids, but THEY GOT NO SPACE. My girlfriend says NO WAY.
>
> * weekday cycling tripled
> * total commuter volume increased (cars + bikes)
> * rush hour motor travel times decreased slightly
> * at the same time speeding also decreased
> * crashes and injuries are down for ALL modes
>
> (Oh, and some local property owners are suing to have it
> removed.)
They can be evil or selfish sometimes. Maybe they haven't heard of
Climate Change.
I'm for a combination of bike paths where families are concerned, bike
lanes where the general population is encouraged to come out, and the
open road for the pros. YOU MUST TAKE THE LANE, and let the car go
around you. Or quit and stay in your home.
Yes, the campaign of intimidation is working!
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 11:35 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 22, 10:39 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, aka Comandante
Banana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, the campaign of intimidation is working!
I don't want to wander too much from the subject but...
KABUL, Afghanistan – For seven years, Rahim Baz Mohammad was an Afghan
police detective on a spectacularly perilous beat — a province sitting
directly between the capital and Taliban strongholds to the south and
east.
His case files bulged with kidnappings and murders. Recent victims
included a government reform official shot to death in front of his
house. In another case, a deputy provincial governor was killed when a
suicide bomber rammed an explosives-laden rickshaw into his convoy.
This month, after various threats on his own life by anonymous
callers, Mohammad turned in his badge and locked himself inside his
house.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110322/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan_assassinations
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