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Wednesday, August 8, 2007

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TOPIC: Frugal pre-paid funeral expenses?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ce3b2b4cec57072f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 3:14 pm
From: Wayne Sallee

Don't they look at the time and money spent as an
investment in your life?

How are they going to feel when that investment is
destroyed?

Have they totally lost hope in that investment?

Wayne Sallee
Webmaster@LeesburgNazarene.org

bb90125@yahoo.com wrote on 8/7/2007 1:35 PM:
> On Aug 3, 1:28 am, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> bb90...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Rod Speed is definitely one who "gets it" in terms of this issue.
>> I don't want to get into a debate, but I want to emphasize something,
>> because I think it's important.
>>
>> What I want to emphasize is that suicide is often chosen when you're
>> in a state that makes it very difficult to think rationally or
>> objectively. For example, when a mother chooses suicide and leaves
>> behind young children, was she likely thinking rationally? The
>> parenting instinct is incredibly strong, so for anything to
>> override it must mean that that thing has a powerful ability to
>> alter your thinking.
>>
>> No, I can't prove that everyone who ever chose suicide was acting
>> irrationally. But of all the people who commit suicide, what
>> percentage of them were thinking rationally? Not very many. The
>> stresses and personal difficulties that push people to the point of
>> considering suicide are also hard on your mind and can compromise
>> your ability to think clearly.
>>
>> I say all that because I want to ask you to examine your thoughts
>> and be sure you are thinking clearly. There is often a tendency to
>> rationalize and justify the choice. So I'm asking you to check
>> for yourself whether you're being honest with yourself about who
>> you will be hurting and how much, whether you're rationalizing
>> things, and in general whether you can be confident that you're
>> thinking clearly.
>>
>> Once again, this is not meant to make you feel guilty, since that
>> would serve no purpose. I am only hoping to help in some way if I
>> can. Even though I don't know what I really can do, at least know
>> that I am thinking about you. (And most likely, I'm not the only
>> one.)
>>
>> - Logan
>
> I do appreciate your senitments. I really do, and you seem like a
> thoughtful and decent person. I realize that there are caring people
> out there.
>
> However, I also know that the decision to end one's life can be a
> perfectly rational one, that is well thought-out.
>
> When I took a very concentrated look at what the lasting effects would
> be related to my passing there just simply is no doubt in my mind that
> it's going to be a very good and worthwhile thing. I never made any
> kind of impact in life, or deep connections to people. As for my
> family, when I think about the income they've spent on me since
> childhood (support, food, clothes, school, etc), it's staggering to
> think of how all of this has been wasted. I've also never been any
> kind of success in terms of making good money or having any kind of
> decent job. All of my jobs have been dead-end, and with no benefits.
> All of this takes a toll on a family over a period of many years.
> Eventually, you can tell how ashamed they are of you inside. They
> won't say it of course, but it's true.
>
> I'm sure my suicide at first may not be the most comfortable thing for
> them (since when anyone dies it can be a shock).
>
> But when I think of the years they'll have without having to deal with
> anything related to me anymore, it's really going to a very good thing
> for all. After a few years, and memories start to fade, their lives
> will have returned to how things were before I was around. The freedom
> they will have in being able to live once more will be the greatest
> gift I could have ever given them.
>

--
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 4:08 pm
From: Wayne Sallee

bb90125@yahoo.com wrote on 7/26/2007 8:24 PM:
> On Jul 26, 5:55 pm, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
>> <bb90...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1185481985.545649.109330@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thank you everyone for the responses. Yes, this will be a suicide
>>> situation. My family has never been a fan of cremation, but at the
>>> same time I don't want to put them thru having to selecting a casket,
>>> tombstone, and all the other stuff. If I can take care of all that
>>> ahead of time by pre-paying, that will save them both money and
>>> inconvenience. My father in particular would be plenty upset about
>>> having to come up with another $9,000 for funeral expenses. I figure
>>> if I can take care of this stuff ahead of time it will be a win-win
>>> situation in terms of the expense and headaches.
>> Since in your original post, you mentioned that "we" live in a city,
>> you should really, really consider the mess you will leave for your
>> family to clean up and deal with, aside from those funeral details,
>> which are relatively trivial in the overall scheme of things.
>>
>> I've seen the impact that suicides can have on family members in terms
>> guilt, anger, and hardship, especially if there is a spouse and kids involved.
>>
>> Don
>
> There is no spouse or kids involved, so if there was I could see your
> point. But at other times a suicide can actually be the best situation
> for everyone involved. It really can be a win-win. Few people will
> admit that, but it's true.
>

Before you do, take a look at this and give it some
thought.

http://www.leesburgnazarene.org/eternallife.html

Wayne Sallee
Webmaster@LeesburgNazarene.org

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 6:45 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Wayne Sallee <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote:
> bb90125@yahoo.com wrote on 7/26/2007 8:24 PM:
>> On Jul 26, 5:55 pm, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
>>> <bb90...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1185481985.545649.109330@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you everyone for the responses. Yes, this will be a suicide
>>>> situation. My family has never been a fan of cremation, but at the
>>>> same time I don't want to put them thru having to selecting a
>>>> casket, tombstone, and all the other stuff. If I can take care of
>>>> all that ahead of time by pre-paying, that will save them both
>>>> money and inconvenience. My father in particular would be plenty
>>>> upset about having to come up with another $9,000 for funeral
>>>> expenses. I figure if I can take care of this stuff ahead of time
>>>> it will be a win-win situation in terms of the expense and
>>>> headaches.
>>> Since in your original post, you mentioned that "we" live in a city,
>>> you should really, really consider the mess you will leave for your
>>> family to clean up and deal with, aside from those funeral details,
>>> which are relatively trivial in the overall scheme of things.
>>>
>>> I've seen the impact that suicides can have on family members in
>>> terms guilt, anger, and hardship, especially if there is a spouse and
>>> kids involved. Don
>>
>> There is no spouse or kids involved, so if there was I could see your
>> point. But at other times a suicide can actually be the best
>> situation for everyone involved. It really can be a win-win. Few
>> people will admit that, but it's true.

> Before you do, take a look at this and give it some thought.

> http://www.leesburgnazarene.org/eternallife.html

No thanks, just the usual crap that pervades that pathetic excuse for a fairy story.

And even that pathetic excuse for a fairy story can be used to justify suicide anyway.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 9:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Wayne Sallee <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Wayne Sallee <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote:

>>> Before you do, take a look at this and give it some thought.

>>> http://www.leesburgnazarene.org/eternallife.html

>> No thanks, just the usual crap that pervades that pathetic excuse for a fairy story.

>> And even that pathetic excuse for a fairy story can be used to justify suicide anyway.

> I was not telling you to go there.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

Who you might have told in spades.

> And I can tell by your response that you didn't :-)

Now you get to wipe that egg off your face. Again.

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TOPIC: The Anti-Tax guys won -- round 2
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b15b2290838aeb55?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 3:15 pm
From: Jim Prescott

In article <F3eti.1475$P82.64@newsfe05.lga>,
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Dennis wrote:
>> But I wouldn't mind seeing the income tax replaced by a national sales
>> tax/VAT.
>For garage sales too? Theory has it that they're supposed to charge (and
>remit) sales tax (8.5% here), but only the professional sellers actually do it.

With the national sales tax proposed by http://www.fairtax.org/ tax is
only charged on new merchandise so most garage sales would be excluded.

Supposedly Fairtax is embraced by 5 of the 8 GOP presidential candidates.
FairTax front and center in GOP debate!
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=news_feature
(the link will probably change when it moves into the "Weekly Feature
Archive", hopefully the title will assist in locating it.)

--
Jim Prescott - Computing and Networking Group jgp@seas.rochester.edu
School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, University of Rochester, NY

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TOPIC: w'd love to hear from you
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ee49352d0ffca8a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 4:07 pm
From: Tani

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 5:44 pm
From: clams casino

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>
>
>
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TOPIC: Best Internet Service Provider
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8918ee09f99ddf76?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 5:37 pm
From: Charles Quinn

Stuart <s2ee@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:nhsfb3li3i959agcpevfh6j0jnag43v4hi@4ax.com:

> I want to change my ISP and need your input.
> Tell me what you use, how fast are downloads, and how much it costs.
> Thank you all,
> S2

My neighbors wireless. It is free.

Charles
The significant problems we face cannot be solved
at the same level of thinking we were at when we
created them. Albert Einstein

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TOPIC: Christina Parascandola Homophobic Monster, Christina Parascandola Hires
Spin Doc
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb3358f4aa7cf7eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 6:40 pm
From: Borked Pseudo Mailed

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 7:00 pm
From: Ignoramus11957

Hm, homosexuals trying to anonymously smear reputation of
heterosexuals, nothing new... yawn...

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:40:13 -0600 (MDT), Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
> Christina Parascandola calls herself a "homophobic monster" and has hired us (ReputationDefender Inc.) to improve her reputation.
>
> Attorney Christina Parascandola says she is not (much) of a homophobic monster, she tells us at Reputation Defender that she "Just hates Fags, they are worse than Jews"
>
>
> Ms Parascandola is paying ReputationDefender big dollars so of course we believe her.
>
> Please tell all of your friends:
>
> Christina Parascandola is not (much of) a "homophobic monster", she "Just hates Fags, they are worse than Jews".
>
> Another quality post by ReputationDefender
>
>

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TOPIC: Frugal Meds?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9f7bc3df78d91ba3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 7:15 pm
From: CHUCKB

Like 20 years ago Ragnar Bensen wrote a book on this subject
'SURVIVALIST MEDICINE CABINET".

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TOPIC: Sexy - Nude - Uncensored - Updated Hollywood Videos and Wallpapers.....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 8:08 pm
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TOPIC: OK to cut vitamins in half?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a8fd0a8f8cf6b86d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 8:59 pm
From: ""

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:47:16 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>spinner.barry@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> Think it OK to cut vitamins in half or even quarters
>>> and take that way? Or do they have some kind of
>>> enteric coating on them that slows down absorption that
>>> cutting would hinder?
>>
>>Yes, to first Q. And yes, to second Q when there is a special-
>>purpose coating only.
>
>The vitamins I have are generic Walmart brand
>multivitamins for people over age 50
>
>How can I tell if they have enteric coating on them
>just by looking at them?
>
>Label has no info on whether or not it has enteric
>coating.

I've been taking those WalMart vitamins for years.
My wife and I split one pill every morning.
( we feel a half-dose is adequate )

We call it our "American Health Plan"

<rj>

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TOPIC: Huge Tits!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/54f031d99bf4906d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 9:36 pm
From: conspiracy.black9@gmail.com

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TOPIC: cheapest new car
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 10:54 pm
From: bob@coolgroups.com

I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
is.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 11:09 pm
From: Greg

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:54:39 -0700, bob@coolgroups.com wrote:

>I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
>is.

Kia Rio, Hyundai Accent, and Toyota Yaris all start out around ten or
eleven thousand dollars US.

Greg

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 7 2007 11:38 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
> I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
> is.

Perhaps a better question isn't what is the cheapest but what is
the most frugal. :)

Anthony

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