Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Wednesday, August 8, 2007

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TOPIC: Hand wash???
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3dd642fdb1e8579d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:19 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> in
news:7aehb3hqp8sgpm31g50phk90l4qgesn1lj@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:19:27 -0500 "Ms P" <ms_peacock@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
>:><hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message

snip
> >

>:>Are the wrinkles going to affect their preformance? Can you dry dishes with
>:>wrinkled towels?
>
> I don't get it either.
>
> Who cares if a towel is wrinkled?

yeah, these are new towels. just wait a few days and they'll smooth out, their eyes
will open, and they'll be suckling madly like any normal thirsty towelette.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:04 pm
From: "Lou"

<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v3qfb3pecknp84dc8gmeaumh2pjr3uakbg@4ax.com...
> We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
> Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
> out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
> cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
> next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
> paper towels before use?

Cotton wrinkles. It's a dish towel, who (besides you, I mean) cares if it's
wrinkled or not? I'll bet they dry the dishes about the same either way.

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TOPIC: Conspiracies Revealed!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abcba658bc9c8333?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:21 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

Alan S <nothere@there.com> in
news:r3fgb3968e0ck7pb5ejt21ls4sfjlckkgm@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:08:21 -0000,
> conspiracy.black@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy - Find out who really shot JFK!,
>>learn how they faked the lunar landing, see what they are putting in
>>our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
>>declining birth rate.
>
> Do you have an address for the testing facility?

got your resume freshened up?

science. sounds like a great second career.

>> Proof of extraterrestrial life and much more revealed here.
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
> --
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Slovenia
> http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
>

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:58 pm
From: mike3

On Aug 6, 12:08 pm, conspiracy.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy- Find out who really shot JFK!,
> learn how they faked the lunar landing, see what they are putting in
> our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
> declining birth rate. Proof of extraterrestrial life and much more
> revealed here.

The moonlanding was REAL.

Get over it.

Why can't you accept somebody walked on the moon?

WHY??????

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:01 pm
From: barb

mike3 wrote:
> On Aug 6, 12:08 pm, conspiracy.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy- Find out who really shot JFK!,
>> learn how they faked the lunar landing, see what they are putting in
>> our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
>> declining birth rate. Proof of extraterrestrial life and much more
>> revealed here.
>
> The moonlanding was REAL.
>
> Get over it.
>
> Why can't you accept somebody walked on the moon?
>
> WHY??????
>

Why can't you remove alt.religion.scientology from your newsgroup list?
WHY????????

--
barb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne

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http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=1198812

read my blog!
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:56 pm
From: tom

barb <xenubarb@netscape.net> in news:zXrui.13485$Vk6.11373@newsfe07.phx:

> Why can't you remove alt.religion.scientology from your newsgroup list?
> WHY????????
that's part of the conspiracy

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TOPIC: Idea for Cheap Alarm System
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8e01b99bf93bb10f?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:21 pm
From: Rick

EdwardATeller wrote:
>
> I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
> detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off the
> majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
> just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
> product like this, I'd love to hear about it.
>
> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What
> if you had a cell phone attached to the motion detector that could be
> set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it could dial
> 911 and play a recorded message saying the house address and there was
> a burglary in process. Or it could dial my cell phone, and then I
> could decide if I wanted to dial 911. A Virgin Mobile cell phone
> works out under $6 a month, much cheaper than a monitoring contract.

You keep going less cheap and less cheap as you go along here.

There is an X-10 based system that does just this. You can use any kind
of sensors you want - door, window, infra-red. And it can be programmed
to dial up to 4 numbers of your choice and play your own recorded
message until someone at one of those numbers answers the phone. Press
any key on your phone and the siren stops so you can listen to what is
going on inside the home through a built in microphone on the base unit.
The system runs about $170.00 including a basic set of sensors.

Just do a search on "X-10 alarm system" and you should find them.

Whatever you do, DO NOT program any system to dial 911. They get really
p*ssed off about automated systems calling in false alarms. Some Cities
charge you for annoyance calls from these systems.

Rick

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:27 pm
From: "Don K"

"EdwardATeller" <sorry_no_email@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1186572757.770933.68050@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
> detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off the
> majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
> just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
> product like this, I'd love to hear about it.
>
> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What
> if you had a cell phone attached to the motion detector that could be
> set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it could dial
> 911 and play a recorded message saying the house address and there was
> a burglary in process. Or it could dial my cell phone, and then I
> could decide if I wanted to dial 911. A Virgin Mobile cell phone
> works out under $6 a month, much cheaper than a monitoring contract.

I used to have a Radio Shack pendant dialer that would dial whatever
succession of phone numbers you wanted, play a message, and open
up a live microphone link inside the house to the phone line.

IIRC, it cost about $70 ten years ago. Being intended for the elderly,
it was activated by a pendant worn around the neck. It could easily
be adapted to do what you're thinking of doing. Mine worked fine.

The good part about this solution is that there are no additional
monthly charges, assuming you already have a phone.

google this: radio shack pendant alarm dialer

Don

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:52 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don K <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
> "EdwardATeller" <sorry_no_email@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1186572757.770933.68050@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
>> detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off
>> the majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
>> just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
>> product like this, I'd love to hear about it.
>>
>> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What if you had a cell phone
>> attached to the motion detector that
>> could be set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it
>> could dial 911 and play a recorded message saying the house address
>> and there was a burglary in process. Or it could dial my cell
>> phone, and then I could decide if I wanted to dial 911. A Virgin
>> Mobile cell phone works out under $6 a month, much cheaper than a
>> monitoring contract.
>
>
> I used to have a Radio Shack pendant dialer that would dial whatever
> succession of phone numbers you wanted, play a message, and open
> up a live microphone link inside the house to the phone line.
>
> IIRC, it cost about $70 ten years ago. Being intended for the elderly,
> it was activated by a pendant worn around the neck. It could easily
> be adapted to do what you're thinking of doing. Mine worked fine.
>
> The good part about this solution is that there are no additional
> monthly charges, assuming you already have a phone.
>
> google this: radio shack pendant alarm dialer

I think those systems that are designed for the elderly should also have
some mechanism to detect movement and alarm if there is no movement
for a specified time between particular nominated times, so that if the
individual does die or is unconscious, the system will alarm then too.

Obviously the time between detected movements is different at
night and day and in the bedroom and the rest of the house etc.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:59 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:32:37 -0700, EdwardATeller
<sorry_no_email@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
>detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off the
>majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
>just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
>product like this, I'd love to hear about it.

Go to a bookstore, pick up one of the "Chicken Dance" birthday cards.
Tie the little tab to the window, glue the card on the frame.

Burglar opens window. Da da dadda da da dat da da dadda da da dat and
so forth. Burglar either runs away screaming or starts to dance.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 6:16 pm
From: "Robert L Bass"

> I think those systems that are designed for the elderly should also have
> some mechanism to detect movement and alarm if there is no movement
> for a specified time between particular nominated times, so that if the
> individual does die or is unconscious, the system will alarm then too.
>
> Obviously the time between detected movements is different at
> night and day and in the bedroom and the rest of the house etc.

The ELK-M1G home automation system can do all that.

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
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941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:27 pm
From: AZ Woody

Robert L Bass wrote:
>> I think those systems that are designed for the elderly should also have
>> some mechanism to detect movement and alarm if there is no movement
>> for a specified time between particular nominated times, so that if the
>> individual does die or is unconscious, the system will alarm then too.
>>
>> Obviously the time between detected movements is different at
>> night and day and in the bedroom and the rest of the house etc.
>
> The ELK-M1G home automation system can do all that.
>

The last place my Dad lived (independent/assisted living) had a switch
he had to hit each day. It was a pull chain thing on the wall in the
bedroom.

If "on the cheap" is the whole theme of this thread, I can imagine a
simple timer circuit (a one shot with a duration of say 30-36 hours).
It's "reset" by the person each day (like my dad and the pull chain),
but if the timer goes off, the alarm is triggered. There probably needs
to be a simple disable, in the event that the person will be gone for a
couple days.

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TOPIC: How long to build a house from Craigslist "free" materials?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/009019a2521ac2e0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:34 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

"Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo.com> in news:5h8unjF3jm0mfU1@mid.individual.net:

> It is quite expensive to drive a pick-up. I would think that in some cases,
> you would be paying more for materials if there are few materials and the
> pick-up spot is far away.
>
> I go through this all the time. Is it worth it to drive further, get a lower
> price on something, yet pay $50 for gas for the truck?

and the cost of your lost time traveling further.

> If I'm paying $30 more to buy it locally, then would be least expensive to
> buy here.

easier to return if the item is defective (assuming that's one of the conditions of
transaction, which also is rare with "free" stuff)

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TOPIC: cheapest new car
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2a16ed3ce9240c58?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:38 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 7, 11:09 pm, Greg <kismet2...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:54:39 -0700, b...@coolgroups.com wrote:
> >I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
> >is.
>
> Kia Rio, Hyundai Accent, and Toyota Yaris all start out around ten or
> eleven thousand dollars US.
>
> Greg

And if you want to get really cheap; Chevy Aveo (a Hyundai in
disguise) is even lower...albeit not that pretty.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:39 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 7, 11:38 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> b...@coolgroups.com wrote:
> > I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
> > is.
>
> Perhaps a better question isn't what is the cheapest but what is
> the most frugal. :)
>
> Anthony

I believe my Yaris HB is fairly frugal...not as frugal as my old Ford
Festiva by a few MPG, something like 3-5 as I recall.

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TOPIC: Best small freezer (5-7 cu ft)??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2c31b87015e4bdb8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:15 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Any diff between the brands in this small size?
>
>Yes, particularly on how the shelves are done etc.

what brand and model would YOU buy in a 5-7 cubic foot
size Rod?

Given that efficiency and layout is priority

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Any diff between the brands in this small size?

>> Yes, particularly on how the shelves are done etc.

> what brand and model would YOU buy in a 5-7 cubic foot size Rod?

I basically choose from what is available at the time I buy one,
and since they last so long, that varys with the purchase.

What I buy isnt necessarily the same as you either, mine
have to go under an existing cantilevered 20' long bench
which constrains the height of the freezer and I only ever
use verticals, I hate freezers with just a lid.

I also avoid the ones which have the shelves formed
from sheet metal because I have had one of those fail.
Not sure if you can even buy those now tho, its been
quite a while since I bought the last one.

> Given that efficiency and layout is priority

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TOPIC: Rod Speed, how is Australia ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6af50f3e8b494e32?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:33 pm
From: Jimington

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 03:12:21 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>
>>>>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>>>>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>>>>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>>>>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.
>
>>>> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!
>
>>>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>>>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?
>
>>> The top half of the NSW coast.
>
>>> There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
>>> but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
>>> want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
>>> you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.
>
>> Crocodiles are becoming a real problem now too, in fact
>> they're nearly reaching plague numbers despite what the
>> shinybums in the wildlife lurk organisation thinks.
>
>Yeah, gunna be interesting to see how long it takes before
>they start shooting them again, like with the Fraser Island dingo
>stupidity. That last took a dead kid before there was any action.

Things never seem to change without the trigger of death. I'm
wondering which of my neighbours will be killed on the bridge up our
street walking into town. It's a narrow one that is shared with
traffic. Nothing has been done to make it safe because whoever is
asked claims it's another department's responsibility.
I suppose it's not frugal to provide safety before death.
>
>>> A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
>>> for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
>>> getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.
>
>> He should migrate if he spends all winter there.
>
>Trouble is that he doesnt like the summers there. And he's the diabetic
>thats in the process of getting his feet cut off etc, the Qld health system
>has one hell of a reputation even now. In spades after the Patel fiasco.

We've had a prime minister born in our town but nobody's born here
anymore since they shut down the maternity ward. Now the mothers to be
face a 90 minute drive for that.
A lot of health problems are do to the economy doing gangbusters, they
can't find staff. However i'm dubious about the future, the economic
management of our state government is pretty damn ordinary considering
the tax windfall that the GST has generated for all states.
The PM is right to criticise them.
>
>> Fact is that except for the humidity summer
>> is better there than in the southern areas.
>
>Dunno, I avoided even BrizVegas in summer when at all possible.
>
>Coastal NSW is much better than that.
>
Brisbane is just inland enough to be a bit of a bastard. The coast
areas near it, the Gold and Sunshine coasts have a splendid climate.

>> Not as hot
>
>Sure, but too hot/humid. I much prefer the 10 days over
>100F we have here, because its only 10% humidity.
>
>Corse I dont do stupid stuff like build houses at those temps anymore.
>
>> nor are there any real numbers of flies.
>
>True.
>
>> Southern Australia is plagued by flies whenever it warms up.
>
>Yeah, I wouldnt ever bother with South Australia at all myself. Or Victoria either.
>
>> I've stayed at that park myself and it certainly is a home away from
>> home for hordes of people, and they treat it that way, it's spotless.
>
>Yeah, my main hilarity is playing gin rummy for 3 months. No thanks.

We also have too many goodies at home to go away for long.
>
>Biting insects are a problem too.
>
>Not as bad as the 90 Mile Beach in Victoria tho, its got a massive swamp
>all along the area behind that beach and the mosquitos have 6 engines.

Sounds like the Bribie Island ones. No thanks.
>
>>> Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
>>> hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
>>> tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its such
>>> a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a problem tho.
>>> No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and getting stinking
>>> rich on the very high wages they pay in the mining industry tho.
>
>> The lack of population centres away from Perth is a real downer
>> when considering moving. Most if not all mines anywhere are
>> fly-in fly-out now so they don't do much for the region.
>
>Yeah, tho the coast isnt too bad in spots.
Beautiful but it's very hard to live without services. There's a need
for a population injection in a huge part of the country but the city
folk only see how crowded they are and pooh-pooh any thought of
opening the immigration gates.
>
>> If some areas could just get to a certain population level then a lot
>> of other livability factors would fall into place but the doubling of our
>> population over the last 50 years has all gone to the major centres,
>> putting extra stress on them and sucking the life out of remote areas.
>
>Yeah, the effect has been quite dramatic.
And there's no sign of a turnaround
>
>> There are no places in Australia too cold by European or
>> USA standards but some places do get a few snowfalls.
>
>Yeah, tho they are only tiny, like Kiandra.
>

Jim.

http://inghamwebcam.com/
My dull website.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote

>>>>>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>>>>>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>>>>>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>>>>>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.

>>>>> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!

>>>>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>>>>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?

>>>> The top half of the NSW coast.

>>>> There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
>>>> but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
>>>> want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
>>>> you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.

>>> Crocodiles are becoming a real problem now too, in fact
>>> they're nearly reaching plague numbers despite what the
>>> shinybums in the wildlife lurk organisation thinks.

>> Yeah, gunna be interesting to see how long it takes before
>> they start shooting them again, like with the Fraser Island dingo
>> stupidity. That last took a dead kid before there was any action.

> Things never seem to change without the trigger of death.

Not for that sort of shooting of the dangerous wildlife, anyway.

> I'm wondering which of my neighbours will be killed on the bridge
> up our street walking into town. It's a narrow one that is shared
> with traffic. Nothing has been done to make it safe because
> whoever is asked claims it's another department's responsibility.
> I suppose it's not frugal to provide safety before death.

Yeah, I was amazed at how many walk on the road when getting
some exercise around here. Not surprising that they do, since
there are no footpaths, but someone is gunna get killed eventually.

>>>> A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
>>>> for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
>>>> getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.

>>> He should migrate if he spends all winter there.

>> Trouble is that he doesnt like the summers there. And he's the diabetic
>> thats in the process of getting his feet cut off etc, the Qld health system
>> has one hell of a reputation even now. In spades after the Patel fiasco.

> We've had a prime minister born in our town but nobody's
> born here anymore since they shut down the maternity ward.

Yeah, tho even 30 years ago, some chose not to have the brat
here, just because if the shit hits the fan, the facilitys arent as good.

> Now the mothers to be face a 90 minute drive for that. A lot of health
> problems are do to the economy doing gangbusters, they can't find staff.

Yeah, we've always had almost all of ours overseas trained.
30+ years ago they were all poms, now mostly asians. And
thats not just the hospital either, the GPs and specialists as well.

> However i'm dubious about the future, the economic management
> of our state government is pretty damn ordinary considering
> the tax windfall that the GST has generated for all states.

> The PM is right to criticise them.

Yeah, Bleaty was making a fool of himself on TV last night.

>>> Fact is that except for the humidity summer
>>> is better there than in the southern areas.

>> Dunno, I avoided even BrizVegas in summer when at all possible.

>> Coastal NSW is much better than that.

> Brisbane is just inland enough to be a bit of a bastard. The coast
> areas near it, the Gold and Sunshine coasts have a splendid climate.

Sure.

>>> Not as hot

>> Sure, but too hot/humid. I much prefer the 10 days over
>> 100F we have here, because its only 10% humidity.

>> Corse I dont do stupid stuff like build houses at those temps anymore.

>>> nor are there any real numbers of flies.

>> True.

>>> Southern Australia is plagued by flies whenever it warms up.

>> Yeah, I wouldnt ever bother with South Australia at all myself. Or Victoria either.

>>> I've stayed at that park myself and it certainly is a home away from
>>> home for hordes of people, and they treat it that way, it's spotless.

>> Yeah, my main hilarity is playing gin rummy for 3 months. No thanks.

> We also have too many goodies at home to go away for long.

Yeah, me too.

>> Biting insects are a problem too.

>> Not as bad as the 90 Mile Beach in Victoria tho, its got a massive swamp
>> all along the area behind that beach and the mosquitos have 6 engines.

> Sounds like the Bribie Island ones. No thanks.

They're a lot worse than that. Right thru the day too, not just after dark.

>>>> Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
>>>> hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
>>>> tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its such
>>>> a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a problem tho.
>>>> No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and getting stinking
>>>> rich on the very high wages they pay in the mining industry tho.

>>> The lack of population centres away from Perth is a real downer
>>> when considering moving. Most if not all mines anywhere are
>>> fly-in fly-out now so they don't do much for the region.

>> Yeah, tho the coast isnt too bad in spots.

> Beautiful but it's very hard to live without services.

Yeah, bet the medical facilitys are pretty primitive.
Let alone even basic stuff like GPs.

> There's a need for a population injection in a huge part of the
> country but the city folk only see how crowded they are and
> pooh-pooh any thought of opening the immigration gates.

True.

>>> If some areas could just get to a certain population level then a
>>> lot of other livability factors would fall into place but the doubling
>>> of our population over the last 50 years has all gone to the major
>>> centres, putting extra stress on them and sucking the life out of
>>> remote areas.

>> Yeah, the effect has been quite dramatic.

> And there's no sign of a turnaround

Yeah, in many ways its got much worse.

My heart specialist is a south african. He used to live here but now
flys in from Sydney every week and spends most of the week here.
He's a jew and there is no synagog here and he wants to send his
kids to private schools, so has chosen to do it like that. Gunna be
interesting to see how long he keeps that up for.

>>> There are no places in Australia too cold by European or
>>> USA standards but some places do get a few snowfalls.

>> Yeah, tho they are only tiny, like Kiandra.

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TOPIC: OK to cut vitamins in half?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:59 pm
From: ""

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:58:15 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:

>There are no nutritional deficiency problems in industrial countries
>including the US. The stuff you buy in an average grocery store is
>more than enough to provide a balanced diet. Vitamins are an optional
>food supplement not a medication. Do anything you want with it. Just
>don't overdose.

Au contraire mon ami.....

It's not the "vitamins" so much as the minerals and trace elements.
Every day it seems, science finds a positive use for some trace element.
Did you get your daily dose of selenium, chromium, etc. today. ?

It's possible to get "everything"
if you have a nutritionist preparing every meal.
But most Americans don't eat mushrooms, or liver, or arugula every day.

At little more than a penny apiece, I figure a multi-vitamin/mineral pill
is damn cheap nutritional health insurance.

<rj>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

<RJ> <RJ> wrote
> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote

>> There are no nutritional deficiency problems in industrial countries
>> including the US. The stuff you buy in an average grocery store is
>> more than enough to provide a balanced diet. Vitamins are an
>> optional food supplement not a medication. Do anything you want
>> with it. Just don't overdose.

> Au contraire mon ami.....

Bloody wogs.

> It's not the "vitamins" so much as the minerals and trace elements.
> Every day it seems, science finds a positive use for some trace element.

Pity that there are plenty of those in normal diets too.

> Did you get your daily dose of selenium, chromium, etc. today. ?

Pity that you aint established that most diets are deficient in those.

> It's possible to get "everything" if you have a nutritionist preparing every meal.

You dont need to do that to get more than you need of everything that matters.

> But most Americans don't eat mushrooms, or liver, or arugula every day.

They dont need to, or even every week either.

> At little more than a penny apiece, I figure a multi-vitamin/mineral
> pill is damn cheap nutritional health insurance.

More fool you.

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TOPIC: I am thinking of starting a business making custom t-shirts and ties
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:12 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

"Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo.com> in news:5gmnqpF3e5j0vU1@mid.individual.net:

>"No Fear"
www.ecardecals.com/Calvin_Chevy1.jpg
late 80's to mid 90's :-)

they must be buying from one of those retro fashion/thrift stores.

i prefer the original (late 70's), which was "fear"

http://www.google.com/search?q=fear+%22love+living+in+the+city%22
http://www.7inchpunk.com/?p=31#comments

http://www.google.com/search?q=Fear+%22Love+Living%22+In+%22The+City%22+.
mp3

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TOPIC: Woman is content living in 84-sq. ft. tiny dream home.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:42 pm
From: "Robert Miller"

"Paul Thomas" <paulthomascpa@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:lytti.4858$2v5.4042@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Nick Hull" <nhull@isp.com> wrote
>> "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Robert Miller" <rober999@windstream.net> wrote
>>> > Currently I'm parked on my mother's property.
>>>
>>> > I live alone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Damn. Not a facts I'd put on the internet.
>>
>>
>> A woman can live alone and take care of herself :)
>
>
>
> Maybe so - but "Robert" - not Roberta........claimed to live on mama's
> property, and to be living alone.
>
>
Why would anyone have a problem with this?

Don't have to work nearly as hard to pay a mortgage, or pay all the extra t
axes that come with making the extra money. If I don't have to make as
much, I don't have to pay as much. Is this the problem? I can even take
my home from place to place.

Like the river or the lake and stay for the weekend or even a local resort
where I have a membership and stay for 2 weeks out of each month for
a few dollars a day. Plus yearly membership fees ofcoarse.

I'm not even retired is the best part of all. I should have done this years
ago.
>
> --
> Paul A. Thomas, CPA
> Athens, Georgia
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:51 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

Kyser Soze <kyser_soze@fuckshitpussyfuck.com> in
news:a9q2b35h3gia7heqnm79nhvhf60k5sqq66@4ax.com:

> All of these companies have the same address:
>
> 1545 Capital Dr., Suite 100,
> Carrollton, Texas 75006

pinging PaPaPeng

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