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* Idea for Cheap Alarm System - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* Photo scanning service? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* OK to cut vitamins in half? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* cheapest new car - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Overseas Gift Shopping in the Philippines - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Floral Surprise - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Idea for Cheap Alarm System
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:43 pm
From: "Robert L Bass"
> If "on the cheap" is the whole theme of this thread, I can imagine a simple timer circuit (a one shot with a duration of say 30-36
> hours). It's "reset" by the person each day (like my dad and the pull chain), but if the timer goes off, the alarm is triggered.
> There probably needs to be a simple disable, in the event that the person will be gone for a couple days.
Altronix makes a Tempo2 (replaces the TT1) 2-stage timer.
It could be rigged to trigger a voice/pager dialer such as
Paravox 710. If the timer gets no signal for 24 hours (or
whatever duration seems appropriate) the dialer starts calling
4 different numbers, repeating until someone responds.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:34 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
AZ Woody <reply@here> wrote:
> Robert L Bass wrote:
>>> I think those systems that are designed for the elderly should also
>>> have some mechanism to detect movement and alarm if there is no
>>> movement for a specified time between particular nominated times, so that if
>>> the individual does die or is unconscious, the system will alarm
>>> then too. Obviously the time between detected movements is different at
>>> night and day and in the bedroom and the rest of the house etc.
>>
>> The ELK-M1G home automation system can do all that.
> The last place my Dad lived (independent/assisted living) had a switch he had to hit each day. It
> was a pull chain thing on the wall in the bedroom.
That isnt going to alarm as quickly, and suffers from
the problem that its easy to forget to pull the chain.
Even a warning that the chain hasnt been pulled isnt going to alarm as quickly.
> If "on the cheap" is the whole theme of this thread, I can imagine a
> simple timer circuit (a one shot with a duration of say 30-36 hours).
> It's "reset" by the person each day (like my dad and the pull chain),
> but if the timer goes off, the alarm is triggered. There probably
> needs to be a simple disable, in the event that the person will be
> gone for a couple days.
And it needs a pre alarm warning that the alarm is about to go off too.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:54 pm
From: AZ Woody
Rod Speed wrote:
> AZ Woody <reply@here> wrote:
>> Robert L Bass wrote:
>>>> I think those systems that are designed for the elderly should also
>>>> have some mechanism to detect movement and alarm if there is no
>>>> movement for a specified time between particular nominated times, so that if
>>>> the individual does die or is unconscious, the system will alarm
>>>> then too. Obviously the time between detected movements is different at
>>>> night and day and in the bedroom and the rest of the house etc.
>>> The ELK-M1G home automation system can do all that.
>
>> The last place my Dad lived (independent/assisted living) had a switch he had to hit each day. It
>> was a pull chain thing on the wall in the bedroom.
>
> That isnt going to alarm as quickly, and suffers from
> the problem that its easy to forget to pull the chain.
>
> Even a warning that the chain hasnt been pulled isnt going to alarm as quickly.
>
>> If "on the cheap" is the whole theme of this thread, I can imagine a
>> simple timer circuit (a one shot with a duration of say 30-36 hours).
>> It's "reset" by the person each day (like my dad and the pull chain),
>> but if the timer goes off, the alarm is triggered. There probably
>> needs to be a simple disable, in the event that the person will be
>> gone for a couple days.
>
> And it needs a pre alarm warning that the alarm is about to go off too.
>
>
Thing is, a "daily status" is probably good for most folks that are
still independent. If not, maybe they shouldn't be independent!
The think I know from my dad, and other people in that age group, is
that it's got to be really simple. Pre-warning buzzers and flashing
lights will just get them PO'd. Let's say "grandpa" forgot to "push the
button".. Worst case, is the kids get a call, and he gets a phone call.
Thing is, with a simple timer, it doesn't need to be a "pull chain",
but could be a trigger from a motion sensor in the bathroom. If they
don't take a pee in 6-24 hours, there's a problem!
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 9:36 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
AZ Woody <reply@here> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> AZ Woody <reply@here> wrote
>>> Robert L Bass wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> I think those systems that are designed for the elderly should also have some mechanism to
>>>>> detect movement and alarm if there is no
>>>>> movement for a specified time between particular nominated times,
>>>>> so that if the individual does die or is unconscious, the system will alarm then too.
>>>>> Obviously the time between detected movements is different at night and day and in the bedroom
>>>>> and the rest of the house etc.
>>>> The ELK-M1G home automation system can do all that.
>>> The last place my Dad lived (independent/assisted living) had a switch he had to hit each day.
>>> It was a pull chain thing on the wall in the bedroom.
>> That isnt going to alarm as quickly, and suffers from
>> the problem that its easy to forget to pull the chain.
>> Even a warning that the chain hasnt been pulled isnt going to alarm as quickly.
>>> If "on the cheap" is the whole theme of this thread, I can imagine a
>>> simple timer circuit (a one shot with a duration of say 30-36 hours). It's "reset" by the person
>>> each day (like my dad and the pull chain), but if the timer goes off, the alarm is triggered.
>>> There probably
>>> needs to be a simple disable, in the event that the person will be
>>> gone for a couple days.
>> And it needs a pre alarm warning that the alarm is about to go off too.
> Thing is, a "daily status" is probably good for most folks that are
> still independent. If not, maybe they shouldn't be independent!
It makes more sense to integrate all this stuff into the
alarm most choose to have, and do a lot more than just
daily status with everyone, particularly those who choose
to live alone when its so cheap to add to an alarm.
> The think I know from my dad, and other people in that age group, is that it's got to be really
> simple.
I've never been convinced about that, it actually needs to be quite intelligent instead.
> Pre-warning buzzers and flashing lights will just get them PO'd.
Cant agree with that at all. They are likely to get much more pissed
off about the alarm going off and triggering some intervention when
they just forget to pull the chain at the right time of day.
And thats why a more intelligent system that works automatically on
movement is much better than something simple too, you dont even
need to hit the stupid chain daily, or need to pull it when it warns either.
> Let's say "grandpa" forgot to "push the button".. Worst case, is the kids get a call, and he gets
> a phone call.
Much better to pull the chain when it warns than to
have to field that call when its just been forgotten.
> Thing is, with a simple timer, it doesn't need to be a "pull chain", but could be a trigger from a
> motion sensor in the bathroom. If they don't take a pee in 6-24 hours, there's a problem!
Sure, and that is what I proposed originally.
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TOPIC: Photo scanning service?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:02 pm
From: orinoco.garage@gmail.com
> Why not buy a scanner on sale and do it yourself?
>
> I bought a scanner for ten dollars after rebate from Staples and am
> very happy with it.
Really? Where? How? Thanks!
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TOPIC: OK to cut vitamins in half?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:50 pm
From: PaPaPeng
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:59:06 -0700, "<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com>
wrote:
>On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:58:15 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>There are no nutritional deficiency problems in industrial countries
>>including the US. The stuff you buy in an average grocery store is
>>more than enough to provide a balanced diet. Vitamins are an optional
>>food supplement not a medication. Do anything you want with it. Just
>>don't overdose.
>
>Au contraire mon ami.....
>
>It's not the "vitamins" so much as the minerals and trace elements.
>Every day it seems, science finds a positive use for some trace element.
>Did you get your daily dose of selenium, chromium, etc. today. ?
>
>It's possible to get "everything"
>if you have a nutritionist preparing every meal.
>But most Americans don't eat mushrooms, or liver, or arugula every day.
>
>At little more than a penny apiece, I figure a multi-vitamin/mineral pill
>is damn cheap nutritional health insurance.
>
>
><rj>
I'm 65. I'm in excellent health, good eyesight, excellent hearing,
excellent teeth, cycle to get around or walk or the bus, etc. A very
modest lifestyle in keeping with my modest circumstance and by choice.
I take a RDA of all vitamins once a week (or once a fortnight if I
forget) in case I am missing something in my simple daily food. I
have never followed any dietary regimen and just eat whatever I have
on hand. Of course my groceries comprise only foods that agree with
me. But they are nothing out of the ordinary and I always go for
bargains. I do not eat processed foods. I avoid junk food because
because I feel nauseous after eating them. I do have food
sensitivities. Food is something I eat because I have to to stay
alive. I don't give eating much thought. No one among my many
siblings do and we are all in good health.
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TOPIC: cheapest new car
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 11:00 pm
From: "** Frank **"
<bob@coolgroups.com> wrote in message
news:1186552479.427757.206540@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
> is.
>
I saw either the new Kia or Hyundai for around $6K a year ago. Cheap cars
may not be so cheap when you factor in insurance, maintenance, resale,
safety, etc.
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TOPIC: Overseas Gift Shopping in the Philippines
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Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 11:32 pm
From: "mycompany24@yahoo.com"
Keyword: Delivery Gift Philippine
Title: Overseas Gift Shopping in the Philippines
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TOPIC: Floral Surprise
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 11:33 pm
From: "mycompany24@yahoo.com"
Keyword: Philippine Flower Delivery
Title: Floral Surprise
Summary:
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Article:
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