Wednesday, August 8, 2007

25 new messages in 16 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

* Thinning hair - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0732fee3448b665c?hl=en
* As seen on Oprah, 20/20, and The Wall Street Journal - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ebb1e753f5773666?hl=en
* Walgreen printer cart refills - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e8d0982d83a41da6?hl=en
* OK to cut vitamins in half? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a8fd0a8f8cf6b86d?hl=en
* starbucks humor - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0a8096ba9818ad7d?hl=en
* Rod Speed, how is Australia ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6af50f3e8b494e32?hl=en
* What Is the Best Way to Photograph Your Child? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/aef6bb9e358f6c4c?hl=en
* wholesale nike air jordan, AF1,dunk,airmax,shox,gucci,timberland,bape - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2ab12c4bcb48f327?hl=en
* Handbags, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Prada, Chanel, Coach, Dior Jimmy Choo, Marc
Jacobs, Kate Spade, Tods - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/93509e19044f4e98?hl=en
* Make lots of money surfing the net! Easy and completely effortless! - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bac0e814c6465d18?hl=en
* Idea for Cheap Alarm System - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8e01b99bf93bb10f?hl=en
* ** Wedding Table Numbers - ONLY $2.99 ** - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1827cf2118d5abe4?hl=en
* Best small freezer (5-7 cu ft)?? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2c31b87015e4bdb8?hl=en
* Angry Homeowners Take to the Web Over Shoddy Construction - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/45c386e4a4a4670f?hl=en
* cheapest new car - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2a16ed3ce9240c58?hl=en
* Hand wash??? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3dd642fdb1e8579d?hl=en

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TOPIC: Thinning hair
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0732fee3448b665c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:57 am
From: Al Bundy


On Aug 8, 7:53 am, "hairy.stone" <hairy.st...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> learn more about your hair and options atwww.RUGhairclinic.co.ukJ:-)

I use hot melt glue and thread for hair on the kid's puppets. Looks
about the same.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:04 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"


Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> in
news:1186585040.635444.266940@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> thread

yarn or raffia builds bulk faster.

or let the kids do it themselves
http://www.abc.net.au/splatt/captions/img/spaghetti.jpg


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TOPIC: As seen on Oprah, 20/20, and The Wall Street Journal
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ebb1e753f5773666?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:01 am
From: Al Bundy


On Aug 8, 7:31 am, TheMic...@gmail.com wrote:
> Do you need extra income, Quickly and Legally?
> For The Price of 2 Happy Meals You Help Your Fellow Man
> Basically This is People Helping People
> "We can have anything we want in life if we're willing to help enough
> other people get what they want."
> - Zig Ziglar

I have this lingering thought that Oprah has a paid staff member
prepare or deliver a large pizza at 11PM every night before she goes
to bed. Her face is looking thinner, but overall, not so much.


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TOPIC: Walgreen printer cart refills
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e8d0982d83a41da6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:31 am
From: Ken Knecht


Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrow@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:1186439714.831613.198380@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> Ken Knecht wrote:
>
>> Anyone tried the $10 injet cartridge refills at Walgreens? How long
>> does it actually take them to refill a cartridge? Do the cartridges
>> work well? I have a black HP 832 cartridge I'm tempted to try.
>
>
> I just got the carts for my HP 842C inkjet refilled at Walgreens (one
> color, one b/w), I'm very pleased. Can't beat the price @ $25.00 for
> both refills...
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>

Since I posted, I got the 832 cart filled. Took a half hour. Haven't
tried it yet. Sounds like I'll be pleased when I do.


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TOPIC: OK to cut vitamins in half?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a8fd0a8f8cf6b86d?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:49 am
From: me@privacy.net


"<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com> wrote:

>I've been taking those WalMart vitamins for years.
>My wife and I split one pill every morning.
>( we feel a half-dose is adequate )

OK

I may even split it in thirds

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:58 am
From: PaPaPeng


On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:33:46 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>Been thinking abt starting to take a daily vitamin such
>as Centrum
>
>But got to looking at label and some of the doses are
>at 400%!!
>
>I don't want to mega dose anything..... just get "some"
>dose for each thing
>
>Think it OK to cut vitamins in half or even quarters
>and take that way? Or do they have some kind of
>enteric coating on them that slows down absorption that
>cutting would hinder?


There are no nutritional deficiency problems in industrial countries
including the US. The stuff you buy in an average grocery store is
more than enough to provide a balanced diet. Vitamins are an optional
food supplement not a medication. Do anything you want with it. Just
don't overdose.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 9:58 am
From: rick++

> There are no nutritional deficiency problems in industrial countries
> including the US. The stuff you buy in an average grocery store is
> more than enough to provide a balanced diet. Vitamins are an optional
> food supplement not a medication. Do anything you want with it. Just
> don't overdose.

Yes there are.
Vitamin D is the prime example.
The optimal source is sun exposure, but dark complexion people
have to stay out longer. These and elderly may get insufficient sun,
especially in winter and high latitudes. The traditional method of
fortification is milk which intolerable for most non-European adults.
Vitamin D deficiency is strongly correlated with bone strength.
Correlation is obervsed with nerve diseases like MS and certain
cancers,
but causal link unknown.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 10:03 am
From: rick++


> I may even split it in thirds

Some medicines are not well-mixed within a pill.
This is of concern for where undosing (pain killer)
or overdosing (cutting for children) could be a
problem with just one dose. Something less crucial
like vitamins it doesnt matter as much if you dose
is doubel of half what you expect day to to day.



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TOPIC: starbucks humor
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0a8096ba9818ad7d?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:53 am
From: PaPaPeng


On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:48:46 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an airport
>and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof ordering a
>drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot half-decaf extra
>hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked sprinkle dinkle doo".
>GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"? damn yuppies.
>


Blame the Fraziers.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 9:51 am
From: George Grapman


PaPaPeng wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:48:46 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
> <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an airport
>> and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof ordering a
>> drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot half-decaf extra
>> hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked sprinkle dinkle doo".
>> GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"? damn yuppies.
>>
>
>
> Blame the Fraziers.

A few years ago I was given a Starbucks gift card. I got tired of
waiting 10 minutes for a simple coffee even though it was free .
I went back to my regular on the way to work place where the coffee was
better and service was faster.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 11:22 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG


In article <iJkui.7056$fk4.2281@trndny05>, derjda@hotmail.com
says...
> the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an airport
> and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof ordering a
> drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot half-decaf extra
> hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked sprinkle dinkle doo".
> GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"? damn yuppies.


That's why Starbucks is so expensive. You have to pay extra for
the longer names.


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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 1:02 pm
From: PaPaPeng


On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:22:50 -0700, Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG
<Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:

>In article <iJkui.7056$fk4.2281@trndny05>, derjda@hotmail.com
>says...
>> the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an airport
>> and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof ordering a
>> drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot half-decaf extra
>> hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked sprinkle dinkle doo".
>> GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"? damn yuppies.
>
>
>That's why Starbucks is so expensive. You have to pay extra for
>the longer names.


Nah. Its because yoiu have to hire people who can listen and tell the
difference between a latte from ""why so late eh?


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TOPIC: Rod Speed, how is Australia ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6af50f3e8b494e32?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 10:12 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote

>>>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>>>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>>>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>>>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.

>>> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!

>>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?

>> The top half of the NSW coast.

>> There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
>> but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
>> want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
>> you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.

> Crocodiles are becoming a real problem now too, in fact
> they're nearly reaching plague numbers despite what the
> shinybums in the wildlife lurk organisation thinks.

Yeah, gunna be interesting to see how long it takes before
they start shooting them again, like with the Fraser Island dingo
stupidity. That last took a dead kid before there was any action.

>> A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
>> for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
>> getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.

> He should migrate if he spends all winter there.

Trouble is that he doesnt like the summers there. And he's the diabetic
thats in the process of getting his feet cut off etc, the Qld health system
has one hell of a reputation even now. In spades after the Patel fiasco.

> Fact is that except for the humidity summer
> is better there than in the southern areas.

Dunno, I avoided even BrizVegas in summer when at all possible.

Coastal NSW is much better than that.

> Not as hot

Sure, but too hot/humid. I much prefer the 10 days over
100F we have here, because its only 10% humidity.

Corse I dont do stupid stuff like build houses at those temps anymore.

> nor are there any real numbers of flies.

True.

> Southern Australia is plagued by flies whenever it warms up.

Yeah, I wouldnt ever bother with South Australia at all myself. Or Victoria either.

> I've stayed at that park myself and it certainly is a home away from
> home for hordes of people, and they treat it that way, it's spotless.

Yeah, my main hilarity is playing gin rummy for 3 months. No thanks.

Biting insects are a problem too.

Not as bad as the 90 Mile Beach in Victoria tho, its got a massive swamp
all along the area behind that beach and the mosquitos have 6 engines.

>> Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
>> hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
>> tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its such
>> a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a problem tho.
>> No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and getting stinking
>> rich on the very high wages they pay in the mining industry tho.

> The lack of population centres away from Perth is a real downer
> when considering moving. Most if not all mines anywhere are
> fly-in fly-out now so they don't do much for the region.

Yeah, tho the coast isnt too bad in spots.

> If some areas could just get to a certain population level then a lot
> of other livability factors would fall into place but the doubling of our
> population over the last 50 years has all gone to the major centres,
> putting extra stress on them and sucking the life out of remote areas.

Yeah, the effect has been quite dramatic.

> There are no places in Australia too cold by European or
> USA standards but some places do get a few snowfalls.

Yeah, tho they are only tiny, like Kiandra.



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TOPIC: What Is the Best Way to Photograph Your Child?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 10:32 am
From: ghyti


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 11:02 am
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TOPIC: Make lots of money surfing the net! Easy and completely effortless!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 11:59 am
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TOPIC: Idea for Cheap Alarm System
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 2:09 pm
From: Nick Hull


In article
<1186572757.770933.68050@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
EdwardATeller <sorry_no_email@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What
> if you had a cell phone attached to the motion detector that could be
> set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it could dial
> 911 and play a recorded message


For many years before cell phones I used a system that would call
my pager and transmit a code telling me what was happening. It
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 2:02 pm
From: George Grapman


Some stores sell a battery operated device that attaches to a window
and emits a flashing red light. I keep one on my dash board.


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TOPIC: ** Wedding Table Numbers - ONLY $2.99 **
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 1:21 pm
From: Persian


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TOPIC: Best small freezer (5-7 cu ft)??
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 1:43 pm
From: me@privacy.net


Any diff between the brands in this small size? Or
should one just shop for price alone?

Id prefer a very efficient one...even if small (5 cu
ft)...... but not sue any diff between brands in this
size range

Advice?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 2:22 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


me@privacy.net wrote:

> Any diff between the brands in this small size?

Yes, particularly on how the shelves are done etc.

> Or should one just shop for price alone?

Nope.

> Id prefer a very efficient one...even if small (5 cu ft)......
> but not sue any diff between brands in this size range

There is on the shelf detail. Some have racks inside
the door and some dont, and some have slide out
bins and some just have fixed shelves.

> Advice?



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TOPIC: Angry Homeowners Take to the Web Over Shoddy Construction
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 1:56 pm
From: freeisbest


Yahoo! News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070807/bs_bw/aug2007db2007082138347;_ylt=A0WTUelN3LlGpWUBDRKb.HQA
Angry Homeowners Take to the Web

By Maya Roney
Tue Aug 7, 8:08 AM ET

The outside of Susan Sabin's house in Lenexa, Kan., is covered with
lemons: lemon-shaped foam cutouts, twinkling lemon Christmas lights,
and a lemon-adorned wreath on the front door. If you go to her Web
site, you can see for yourself. You'll also see photographs of
splintered beams, bowed floors, and a graphic that declares: "Pulte
Homes sold me a lemon!"

Sabin has been called crazy, but she's not the only dissatisfied
customer. The Internet has rapidly become an outlet for frustrated
homeowners to chronicle their bad experiences with new homes they have
found to be structurally defective. Homeowners can now post
complaints, discuss legal options, and warn future buyers on at least
a dozen builder-directed "gripe sites," with names such as www.crapconstruction.com
and www.khovsucks.com.

Careless Building During Boom?

As home values decrease and home sales slow in many parts of the
country, construction problems seem to have become an even bigger
concern for homeowners. "I notice the traffic has definitely picked
up," says Andy Martin, a longtime consumer advocate who runs three
sites: www.FightPulte.com, www.FightDiVosta.com and www.FightDelWebb.com.
The three sites serve as national clearinghouses for those who think
they may be victims of shoddy construction. During the housing boom,
builders were working fast to keep up with all the people gobbling up
new properties, and Martin believes the quality of building suffered
as a result. "The pendulum swung too far in (the builders') favor," he
says. "The Internet now is rising to level the playing field."

For many of the creators and visitors to these Web sites, the problem
is water intrusion and mold, brought about, they claim, by faulty
construction. Dan Wenk, creator of www.levittandsonshome.org, claims
he was not able to return to his Levitt & Sons home in central Florida
after receiving chemotherapy because his immune system could not
tolerate the elevated mold levels. "I was struggling with my life-
threatening illness and now needed to find a new place to live," he
writes.

Levitt & Sons, a subsidiary of Levitt (NYSE:LEV - News), has not tried
to stop homeowners like Wenk from using the Internet as a sounding
board. "Today consumers increasingly turn to the Internet and other
new forums to share their opinions and openly discuss products," said
Levitt & Sons President Seth Wise in regard to Wenk's site. "While at
times it may be difficult, Levitt Corporation welcomes this evolution
as it creates an open dialogue and enables our employees and
subcontractors to be accessible and accountable to all of our
homeowners."

In Lieu of Litigation

In Sabin's case, the culprit is a type of soil called fat clay that
swells excessively and has been pushing apart the frame, doors, and
ceilings of the brand new home she bought last summer. The builder,
Bloomfield (Mich.)-based Pulte Homes (NYSE:PHM - News), should have
tested the soil before constructing her house, Sabin says. Pulte has
come in to make repairs, but Sabin claims they have proved futile as
the soil continues to exert pressure on her foundation. The value of
the home has fallen nearly $120,000 in the past six months, Sabin
writes on her site. She now wants Pulte to buy back her home, but they
refuse. "I try not to be emotional, but I live in this house every
single day," Sabin says. "I have a right to be emotional about this."

But Sabin doesn't have a right to sue the builder. Not yet, anyway.
Many new-home sales contracts, including Pulte's, state that disputes
related to the purchase of the home must be settled by arbitration
before moving to court. For now, Sabin says she's content to use her
Web site to spread the word and prevent others from going through a
similar ordeal.

Pulte says it provides each new homeowner with a 50-page "Pulte
Protection Plan" detailing a limited warranty in which the builder
agrees to repairs for one year after the purchase on the house is
closed. "We have identified the problem with her home, we've developed
a plan to fix it, and we've made the offer to her to fix it, but Ms.
Sabin refuses to let us make the necessary repairs to her home," says
Mark Marymee, a spokesperson for Pulte. "If Susan Sabin had spent half
the energy working with us as she's put into her Web site, this
problem could have been resolved by now."

Builders Threaten Libel Suits

Builders do seem to be concerned about the effect of gripe sites on
their reputation. Miami-based builder Lennar (NYSE:LEN - News) has
filed more than one lawsuit against Mike Morgan, a Florida real estate
broker who runs www.defective-homes.net. In a complaint filed July 30
in Charleston County, S.C., Lennar alleges that Morgan "engaged in a
concerted scheme to defame Lennar publicly with the goal of extracting
from Lennar financial payments." On July 20, a federal magistrate
judge in Florida recommended a preliminary injunction preventing
Morgan from using the word "Lennar" in Web site domain names.

"They want me dead, there's no way around that," says Morgan, who
claims he is now bankrupt and unable to afford legal fees. "If I lose
these things, it sets precedents for every other group that has a
gripe site." If you search "Lennar" on Google (NasdaqGS:GOOG - News),
Morgan's site, which he says gets 15,000 visitors a month, comes up
near the top of the page.

Builders may be able to win a lawsuit against a poster or Web site
creator who cannot back up a statement they post online about
defective construction. "The angry homeowner who posts messages on
these sites is not protected from libel actions," says Susan Grogan
Faller, who practices First Amendment law with a focus on media and
Internet for Frost Brown Todd in Cincinnati. "False and inflammatory
statements are not protected."

Faller says she is unaware of any lawsuit in which a judgment was
taken against a poster on a real estate gripe site. But because it's
such a new area, posters and Web masters may not realize that they are
at risk. "I think people are used to the concept that someone can sue
the newspaper, or magazine, or television station for libel, but
they're not used to the concept that they themselves can be sued (for
posting on the Internet)."

Paying Complainers to Go Away

Because of the binding arbitration clause in many new-home contracts,
unsatisfied homeowners rarely make a court hearing -- or the
headlines. "I think that the problem with construction defects has
been under the radar for so long," says Nancy Seats, president of
Homeowners Against Deficient Dwellings (HADD), a nonprofit consumer
protection group for homeowners dealing with defective construction.
"People just don't understand how many people are just being
financially destroyed by bad construction and binding arbitration. But
now more and more people are going to the Internet to expose their
problems and get back at the builder."

What happens instead of a trial, Seats says, is that big builders pay
people to shut down their builder-bashing Web sites. It's true that
many links to former sites are now defunct, including the once-popular
KBHomesSucks.com. "This was the most outstanding Web site, and KB
Homes tried to sue them," Seats says. "The vast majority of (now-
defunct sites) were people that were paid to shut up and go away."
Repeated calls from BusinessWeek to KB Homes (NYSE:KBH - News) have,
as yet, gone unanswered.

Now homebuilders are hurting, leading some angry homeowners to worry
that construction defects may become even more common as builders try
to cut costs. Sales of new homes fell 6.6% in June, to an annualized
rate of 834,000, and builders have been reporting lousy earnings
numbers (see BusinessWeek.com, 7/7/07, "Homebuilders in a Hole"). "The
builders are in very precarious shape," says Martin. "It's a very
dangerous period right now in the housing industry."

For future angry homeowners, there will no doubt be plenty of new
places to complain.

Click through BusinessWeek's slide show for a look at some of the
angriest real estate gripe sites.

(c) 2007 BusinessWeek Online


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Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:08 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"


Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> in news:srhi-
ED5619.07395408082007@newsgroups.comcast.net:

> www.autoscoop.com

i shoved low total $ and low miles inputs into the form. it gave me two 2007 trucks.
but each "total" amount was obviously a down payment ($4k and $6k).

so i guess a few of the dealers need to be more careful about data entry.


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Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:15 pm
From: "motha! that's moi"


barbie gee <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> in
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708071000370.21328@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz:

> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
>> Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
>> out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
>> cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
>> next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
>> paper towels before use?
>>
>
> well, actually, I bet if you just pressed them after machine washing,
> they'd look beautiful!

and depending on the colors, lay rose petals or lavender tips between each towel (no,
do we call them "towels" oüg, how Gauche)

> (Martha is kinda crazy...)
>

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