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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 11:53 am
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)

"Bob F" (bobnospam@gmail.com) writes:
> "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:46d56b3f$0$32564$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "Steve" <otm@wdc.inv> wrote in message
>> news:370ad31vdthbb1i341hkrgb7c3o9u78qlm@4ax.com...
>>> Only big problem with Freecycle is folks who never pick up the
>>> stuff...
>>
>> That was my experience the one time I tried to give away an exercise bike in
>> good condition. Never again. I'm convinced it would have been a better idea
>> and less hassle to SELL it on Craig's List.
>>
> You let one incident make you give up on a great resource? Why do you think
> craigslist would be any better?
>
Huh?

WHat "great resource" is it for people who have things they want to
get rid of, especially if the process is the same as selling something?

Sure, it's a "great resource" for people who want free things.

But there have always been outlets for people who had things they no
longer want to get rid of. Donate to the Salvation Army or similar
organizations. Donate to the local school or church that has a rummage
sale to raise funds. Find some organization that actually wants the
stuff and can use it outright. Give it to a neighbor. Tell your friends
and family you have something you want to get rid of, and they'll pass
the word. Post an add in the local newspaper, or local newsgroup. Or
leave it on the front lawn with a sign asking people to take it away.

Too many people have bought into "freecycle" as if there is no alternative,
as if "free stuff" is the ultimate (when in reality you can get all kinds
of things for almost free, buy going to those rummage sales and garage
sales and classified ads), and as if there is no other way to dispose of
things you no longer want.

Michael

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 12:45 pm
From: "Chloe"

> "Bob F" (bobnospam@gmail.com) writes:
>> "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:46d56b3f$0$32564$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> "Steve" <otm@wdc.inv> wrote in message
>>> news:370ad31vdthbb1i341hkrgb7c3o9u78qlm@4ax.com...
>>>> Only big problem with Freecycle is folks who never pick up the
>>>> stuff...
>>>
>>> That was my experience the one time I tried to give away an exercise
>>> bike in
>>> good condition. Never again. I'm convinced it would have been a better
>>> idea
>>> and less hassle to SELL it on Craig's List.
>>>
>> You let one incident make you give up on a great resource? Why do you
>> think
>> craigslist would be any better?

I have no reason to think future experiences on Freecycle would be any less
hassle than the bike was. I had a number of responses that basically said
"oh please, oh please, NICE LADY, PICK ME to give the bike to! I have
<insert serious medical condition here> and I need it so much. Sob Sob!"
Then these people simply didn't show at the time they said they would,
didn't call, I just didn't hear from them again. I assume there's some kind
of head game where people get off on trying to get someone to offer them
free stuff. I don't live in a neighborhood where people leave their trash
just sitting out by the curb, so I kept having to move the bike in and out
of the house for days on end.

My experience with Craig's List was completely different. I sold a set of
fairly nice living room furniture for the full asking price. The young lady
who bought it and her parents showed up when they said they would, with the
cash in hand. Obviously people put more value on a transaction when there's
money involved.

Great resource. Yeah, right.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 12:39 pm
From: "Chloe"

"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:fb4fao$jhv$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
> "Bob F" (bobnospam@gmail.com) writes:
>> "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:46d56b3f$0$32564$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> "Steve" <otm@wdc.inv> wrote in message
>>> news:370ad31vdthbb1i341hkrgb7c3o9u78qlm@4ax.com...
>>>> Only big problem with Freecycle is folks who never pick up the
>>>> stuff...
>>>
>>> That was my experience the one time I tried to give away an exercise
>>> bike in
>>> good condition. Never again. I'm convinced it would have been a better
>>> idea
>>> and less hassle to SELL it on Craig's List.
>>>
>> You let one incident make you give up on a great resource? Why do you
>> think
>> craigslist would be any better?
>>
> Huh?
>
> WHat "great resource" is it for people who have things they want to
> get rid of, especially if the process is the same as selling something?
>
> Sure, it's a "great resource" for people who want free things.
>
> But there have always been outlets for people who had things they no
> longer want to get rid of. Donate to the Salvation Army or similar
> organizations. Donate to the local school or church that has a rummage
> sale to raise funds. Find some organization that actually wants the
> stuff and can use it outright. Give it to a neighbor. Tell your friends
> and family you have something you want to get rid of, and they'll pass
> the word. Post an add in the local newspaper, or local newsgroup. Or
> leave it on the front lawn with a sign asking people to take it away.
>
> Too many people have bought into "freecycle" as if there is no
> alternative,
> as if "free stuff" is the ultimate (when in reality you can get all kinds
> of things for almost free, buy going to those rummage sales and garage
> sales and classified ads), and as if there is no other way to dispose of
> things you no longer want.

Those are all good suggestions, although sometimes you might want to get rid
of something that's difficult to transport and you hope to find someone else
to deal with that problem--yet you don't want to just throw it into the
landfill. That's the only reason I listed the bike on Freecycle. After
experiencing people's incredible ill manners firsthand, I certainly wouldn't
offer anything there I could easily get rid of otherwise. As far as I'm
concerned, Freecycle sucks.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 1:08 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
news:46d5cd0a$1$15351$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "Bob F" (bobnospam@gmail.com) writes:
>>> "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46d56b3f$0$32564$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> "Steve" <otm@wdc.inv> wrote in message
>>>> news:370ad31vdthbb1i341hkrgb7c3o9u78qlm@4ax.com...
>>>>> Only big problem with Freecycle is folks who never pick up the
>>>>> stuff...
>>>>
>>>> That was my experience the one time I tried to give away an exercise bike
>>>> in
>>>> good condition. Never again. I'm convinced it would have been a better idea
>>>> and less hassle to SELL it on Craig's List.
>>>>
>>> You let one incident make you give up on a great resource? Why do you think
>>> craigslist would be any better?
>
> I have no reason to think future experiences on Freecycle would be any less
> hassle than the bike was. I had a number of responses that basically said "oh
> please, oh please, NICE LADY, PICK ME to give the bike to! I have <insert
> serious medical condition here> and I need it so much. Sob Sob!" Then these
> people simply didn't show at the time they said they would, didn't call, I
> just didn't hear from them again. I assume there's some kind of head game
> where people get off on trying to get someone to offer them free stuff. I
> don't live in a neighborhood where people leave their trash just sitting out
> by the curb, so I kept having to move the bike in and out of the house for
> days on end.
>
> My experience with Craig's List was completely different. I sold a set of
> fairly nice living room furniture for the full asking price. The young lady
> who bought it and her parents showed up when they said they would, with the
> cash in hand. Obviously people put more value on a transaction when there's
> money involved.
>
> Great resource. Yeah, right.

Obviously, when selling something of significant value, peoples response is
likely to be different than on giveaways. Occasionally, people may flake out on
giveaways. It will be the same on craigslist as on freecycle. I find that most
stuff on freecycle is claimed within minutes of posting if it not garbage.
Similarly on craigslist. It sounds like you had one individual flake out on you.
There are hundreds for every one of those who would be happy to receive it. It's
your choice, but I don't want otheres to think that freecycle isn't a great
resource. One of the nicest things about freecycle is that they don't permit
"come and get it" ads which waste many peoples time and gas.

Bob

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 2:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Chloe <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:
>> "Bob F" (bobnospam@gmail.com) writes:
>>> "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46d56b3f$0$32564$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> "Steve" <otm@wdc.inv> wrote in message
>>>> news:370ad31vdthbb1i341hkrgb7c3o9u78qlm@4ax.com...
>>>>> Only big problem with Freecycle is folks who never pick up the
>>>>> stuff...
>>>>
>>>> That was my experience the one time I tried to give away an
>>>> exercise bike in
>>>> good condition. Never again. I'm convinced it would have been a
>>>> better idea
>>>> and less hassle to SELL it on Craig's List.
>>>>
>>> You let one incident make you give up on a great resource? Why do
>>> you think
>>> craigslist would be any better?
>
> I have no reason to think future experiences on Freecycle would be
> any less hassle than the bike was. I had a number of responses that
> basically said "oh please, oh please, NICE LADY, PICK ME to give the
> bike to! I have <insert serious medical condition here> and I need it
> so much. Sob Sob!" Then these people simply didn't show at the time
> they said they would, didn't call, I just didn't hear from them
> again. I assume there's some kind of head game where people get off
> on trying to get someone to offer them free stuff. I don't live in a
> neighborhood where people leave their trash just sitting out by the
> curb, so I kept having to move the bike in and out of the house for
> days on end.
> My experience with Craig's List was completely different. I sold a
> set of fairly nice living room furniture for the full asking price.
> The young lady who bought it and her parents showed up when they said
> they would, with the cash in hand. Obviously people put more value on
> a transaction when there's money involved.

The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

> Great resource. Yeah, right.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 5:26 pm
From: "Don K"

"Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
news:46d5cd0a$1$15351$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
would be any better?
>
> I have no reason to think future experiences on Freecycle would be any less hassle than
> the bike was. I had a number of responses that basically said "oh please, oh please,
> NICE LADY, PICK ME to give the bike to! I have <insert serious medical condition here>
> and I need it so much. Sob Sob!" Then these people simply didn't show at the time they
> said they would, didn't call, I just didn't hear from them again. I assume there's some
> kind of head game where people get off on trying to get someone to offer them free
> stuff. I don't live in a neighborhood where people leave their trash just sitting out by
> the curb, so I kept having to move the bike in and out of the house for days on end.

Some common sense arrangements can be made to eliminate that kind of
stuff.

First of all, don't give it to the whiniest, most annoying person.

Second, set up a short window for pickup. An hour works for me. Make it
shorter if you want. Put the item near your house, along with a note with
their name on it. If they don't show, pull it back inside and offer it to the
next-best response.

If you get no-shows, complain to the moderator. Maybe they will drop
them from the list.

> My experience with Craig's List was completely different. I sold a set of fairly nice
> living room furniture for the full asking price. The young lady who bought it and her
> parents showed up when they said they would, with the cash in hand. Obviously people put
> more value on a transaction when there's money involved.

My experience with Freecycle is completely different than yours.
It just goes to show nothing operates perfectly.

Don

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 5:34 pm
From: "Don K"

"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:fb4fao$jhv$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...

> Too many people have bought into "freecycle" as if there is no alternative,
> as if "free stuff" is the ultimate (when in reality you can get all kinds
> of things for almost free, buy going to those rummage sales and garage
> sales and classified ads), and as if there is no other way to dispose of
> things you no longer want.

I don't think it's up to you to decide how many is enough or how many
is too many.

Don

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 5:00 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <fb4fao$jhv$1@theodyn.ncf.ca>,
et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says...
> "Bob F" (bobnospam@gmail.com) writes:
> > "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
> > news:46d56b3f$0$32564$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> "Steve" <otm@wdc.inv> wrote in message
> >> news:370ad31vdthbb1i341hkrgb7c3o9u78qlm@4ax.com...
> >>> Only big problem with Freecycle is folks who never pick up the
> >>> stuff...
> >>
> >> That was my experience the one time I tried to give away an exercise bike in
> >> good condition. Never again. I'm convinced it would have been a better idea
> >> and less hassle to SELL it on Craig's List.

> > You let one incident make you give up on a great resource? Why do you think
> > craigslist would be any better?

> Huh?
>
> WHat "great resource" is it for people who have things they want to
> get rid of, especially if the process is the same as selling something?
>
> Sure, it's a "great resource" for people who want free things.
>
> But there have always been outlets for people who had things they no
> longer want to get rid of. Donate to the Salvation Army or similar
> organizations. Donate to the local school or church that has a rummage
> sale to raise funds. Find some organization that actually wants the
> stuff and can use it outright. Give it to a neighbor. Tell your friends
> and family you have something you want to get rid of, and they'll pass
> the word.

Personally, I would avoid offering any free items to neighbours
or friends. There is an ongoing interaction, and it can get
really obnoxious if the recipient gets the idea that you have a
surplus of stuff. And that you may be an ongoing source of
freebies.

Much safer to go with the Salvation Army or someplace like that.

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TOPIC: Now iPhone unlocked and can be used with any other carrier around the
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 11:54 am
From: Rick

Anthony Matonak wrote:
>
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
> ...
> > By going with T-Mobile, you lose functionality that helps make the
> > iPhone unique such as its visual voice mail, so why not just stick with
> > AT&T and get the iPhone's full functionality?
>
> Perhaps they just don't like AT&T's two year contract or their lengthly
> and 6 part license agreement (with sub-agreements) that are subject
> to change with only email notice.
>
> I'm sure if they can unlock the thing they can either work around or
> activate whatever services they need. In fact, they can probably add
> new services that Apple hasn't even thought of.
>
> Anthony

I can't see why Apple decided to stick consumers with a cell carrier
going through transition. Maybe the R&D phase and contract Apple made
with Cingular predated the Cingular to AT&T conversion long enough that
Apple got contractually stuck with the decision, whether they like it or
not. Personally, customer service under "the new AT&T" is just horrible
in my experience and as AT&T performs now would not be my carrier of
choice - if I had a choice - for use with the iPhone. You can't get the
most basic customer service questions answered by AT&T in under fifteen
minutes. Exasperating.

I don't own or want an iPhone. I liked Cingular and have been with them
since 2001. "The new AT&T" is leaving a lot to be desired and a cell
phone carrier change looks like an inevitability for us.

Rick

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 12:48 pm
From: James

On Aug 29, 9:39 am, rick++ <rick...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 6:49 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, thats what I did, and it was a research degree too.
>
> Australia wasnt it? The UK-derived school systems often allow what US
> calls professional studies as the first degree. I was reading about
> an
> American who go a law degree at Oxford in three years,
> which would have taken twice as long and fives times tuition in the US.

Well not quite.

In the US and Canada, you have to have a Bachelor's degree to apply to
Law school, which is then a three year course.

In the UK, you can get a Bachelor's degree in Law.

Both systems require you to do something after graduation before you
can write your bar exams and practise, a combination of courses and/or
apprenticeship (articling).

But of course, a US student at Oxford might have trouble finding an
articling position in the US, unless they majored in International
law.

And I don't know Oxford's tuition fees, but I'd venture they, like
Canadian universities, charge a foreign students a premium.

James

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 12:53 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

rick++ <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Most M.S students seem to work during their M.S. as a Teaching
>>> Assistant/Reaearch Assistant though their field is also competitive.

>> Yeah, thats what I did, and it was a research degree too.

> Australia wasnt it?

Yep.

> The UK-derived school systems often allow what
> US calls professional studies as the first degree.

Yes they generally do.

> I was reading about an American who go a law degree at Oxford in three
> years, which would have taken twice as long and fives times tuition in the US.

Oxford and Cambridge are rather different to the general run
of universitys with some different detail on that sort of thing.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 2:02 pm
From: pc

cat wrote:
> "s" <s@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>
>> On Aug 28, 1:48 pm, "cat" <catsandcanar...@nospammeowmeow.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> You can't come out of high school and get a BS/MS in nursing in three
>>> years.
>
>> If someone turns 17 in May 08, starts college in Aug 08, at 22 he will
>> have spent 5 years in college, NOT three. I never stated I could get
>> B.S.+M.S in three, but FIVE. And yes, I have seen dozens of average
>> folks do that and several college
>> advisors told me their college allows that.
>
> Really? You know *dozens* of students who've done this? I've been a nurse
> for over 20 years and I don't know *any*.
>
>>> Most generic students who go for the BSN alone are lucky to finish in
>>> four,
>>> what with all the prerequisites.
>
>> Really? I know folks who after their B.S. in a field like psychology,
>> get a B.S. in Nursing in one year(fast track program which involves
>> taking summer/winter classes which are truly hectic, but possible).
>
> Was I talking about people who already had degrees??? No. See below.
>
>>> The BS/MS option is for nurses who have
>>> already completed diplomas or associate's degrees in nursing and have
>>> several years of nursing experience, or for generic students who already
>>> have baccalaureate degrees.
>
>> Not all colleges. If you are getting a B.S in Nursing in some
>> campus(just from high school), you probably can get a M.S also in same
>> field in the same campus after you complete B.S.
>
> Yes, that's true. But a BS/MS option (where baccalaureate and graduate
> credits intermingle) are not for generic students.
>
>>> You also can't come out of nursing school and
>>> go right into anesthesia school. CRNA programs are master's-level, BTW,
>>> not
>>> certificates, and they all require experience in emergency room or
>>> intensive
>>> care nursing prior to application.
>
>> I mentioned 2 years of work is required and that is what I intended by
>> work(though I did not clarify it)
>
>>> Admissions are highly competitive, and
>>> students are strongly discouraged from working while they go to school
>>> due
>>> to the intensity of the programs, so even with the stipend that some
>>> programs offer, financial stability is crucial.
>
>> World is competitive and these fields are no different. Most M.S
>> students seem to work during their M.S. as a Teaching Assistant/
>> Reaearch Assistant though their field is also competitive.
>
> If you are truly a teenager, you don't have a fucking clue what is involved,
> either with work, the world, or nursing. Lose the condescension,
> grasshopper. You haven't earned the right.
>
>>> And anyone who thinks nursing is a low-stress job is truly either a troll
>>> or
>>> a complete moron.
>
>> No job is stress free. Low stress is relative. I was referring their
>> job is 60-70 not 80-90 as investment bankers/surgeons, though it
>> depends on your employer a lot. Your advice might be useful for
>> someone who might have no idea about nursing.
>
> That would be you, asshole. You haven't any idea what nursing involves.
> Given the history of the profession, the idea that you want to go into it
> for the money is hysterical.
>
> You talk a good game, but in reality, you're an idiot and a troll. I regret
> that you were born.
>
>

Is that you Renee?
If so, big wave HI. Hope all is well.

..PC

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TOPIC: Petition to Presidential Candidates
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 1:05 pm
From: "Robert M. Gary"

On Aug 29, 5:04 am, greg3347 <theodor...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 2:46 pm, Mike <mgcul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > This is a NumbersUSA site that shows an ad to run on nationwide tv and
> > lets you sign a petition to be presented to the presidential
> > candidates. There are 59,459 signings just since yesterday, and I
> > believe the petition will be presented on Labor Day.
>
> >http://www.reformus.org/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Does it require that they buy boats?

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TOPIC: Buying a fleet vehicle AND dickering with a used car salesman
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 1:14 pm
From: timeOday

John Weiss wrote:

> Sounds reasonable. Make it clear that your offer is a "bottom line" offer --
> ALL dealer's fees & taxes included.

That's an important point. I had a deal on a nice car fall through
because we agreed on (say) $17,000, then he handed me an invoice for
$17,400. To him it was such standard practice, he couldn't seem to
understand why I considered that part of the price. I ended up walking
away, and he did not call me back (although I watched the car sit on the
lot for the next month).

You might STILL not get them to haggle over the *real* bottom line
price including taxes, but at least make sure you know what all the
expenses will be so you can mentally add them up.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 2:44 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote...
>
>> Sounds reasonable. Make it clear that your offer is a "bottom line"
>> offer -- ALL dealer's fees & taxes included.
>
> That's an important point. I had a deal on a nice car fall through because
> we agreed on (say) $17,000, then he handed me an invoice for $17,400. To him
> it was such standard practice, he couldn't seem to understand why I
> considered that part of the price. I ended up walking away, and he did not
> call me back (although I watched the car sit on the lot for the next month).
>
> You might STILL not get them to haggle over the *real* bottom line price
> including taxes, but at least make sure you know what all the expenses will
> be so you can mentally add them up.

My dad taught me that, and it has worked for him and me several times.

One time Dad went into a dealer with his 3-year-old car and asked what the
bottom-line price would be for a new model, equipped EXACTLY as his (he had
bought the car new from the same dealer). The salesman came out of the back
room after a while and said they had one on the lot -- even the same color.
They agreed on a bottom-line price with the trade-in.

Dad went in to pick up the car the next day. It lacked fog lights. Salesman
didn't want to add them on. Dad reminded him that the deal was "equipped
exactly as the old one," and pointed to the factory fog lights on the old one;
salesman started arguing about extra cost. Dad told him to install the lights
or cancel the deal, then wound up walking out to his old car when the
salesdroid continued arguing.

Sales Manager caught up with Dad before he got off the lot, and told him the
lights were being installed...

Another time I was looking for a car for my wife. She agreed to go to the
desert for a couple years if I bought her a Saab convertible. I found one,
though didn't really want the non-turbo engine with an auto tranny. After
dickering about trade, etc, and discussing taxes, fees etc, made a bottom-line
offer including trade.

Salesdroid went into the back; came out and said the sales manager accepted the
offer. Sales contract was drawn up, they added a $30 "registration processing
fee" to the agreed price. I reminded him the offer was "bottom line"; he tried
to tell me the fee was "standard." I told him I wasn't paying 1 cent more than
the agreed price. After another 10 minutes with his manager, he finally came
out with a corrected contract.

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TOPIC: WHY YOU SHOULDNT WORRY ABOUT MONEY
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 1:15 pm
From: Aurum Solis

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invest a lot of time in professional psychiatric services.

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the subconscious is the secret doorway to our dreams, desires and
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For more information visit http://www.lifetechnology.org/moneymagnetultra.htm

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 1:28 pm
From: Al Bundy

Aurum Solis wrote:

> The Ultra Advanced Psychotronic Money Magnet(tm) will naturally induce a
> theta state in the user's mind as it alters reality to make money,
> wealth, abundance and affluence etc. more probable.

Gee Spam Dude, that seems a bit pricy at up to $899 for a magnet.

How about we just use the one from our car's gas line and see if it
works for money, as it did not work for mileage?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 2:16 pm
From: pc

DouhetSukd@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for all the tips so far, this is quite helpful.
>
> I think I am going to look into the finishing-nail based hooks.
> Cleanup-wise, they seem a safer bet than the big plastic-anchored
> stuff and I don't need that much holding power.
>
> When I was talking about adhesives I was talking about posters only -
> i.e. using two sided scotch tape or so to hang posters and papers up
> on a wall. Not about adhesive-based hooks to hang up stuff up with.
> I am pretty sure any glue strong enough to hold up 6 lbs will also rip
> out the wall's paint when it leaves, regardless of claims by the
> manufacturer.
>

Many months ago, I was channel surfing and ended up on HSN networks..for
lack of any other drivel to watch.

They had an interesting hook for just this situation. It was a long
thin wire twisted just so. You put it through the wall, turned it so it
would hold against the back of the drywall. Then you could hang heavy
objects on it. It seemed like a very simple, eloquent solution picture
hanging.

I just searched it out and below is the link. I have no idea how well
they work. But, if you buy them, I'd love to hear what your opinion is.

> http://home-solutions.hsn.com/ez-hanger-heavy-duty-wall-hanger-set_p-2298889_xp.aspx?cmsstr=738934&webm_id=2298889&web_id=2298889&sz=12&sf=HM&dept=HM0099&cat=&o=esearch&ocm=seis&rid=809

..PC

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TOPIC: turn $6 into $6000
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 3:05 pm
From: dwef

HOW TO TURN SIX DOLLARS INTO SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS:

I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while
back I was browsing
through newsgroups just like you are now and came across an article
similar to this that
said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an
initial investment of
$6.00! So I thought "Yeah right this must be a scam" but like most of
us I was curious
so I kept reading. Anyway it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6
names and
address stated in the article. You then place your own name and
address in the bottom of
the list at #6 and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There
are thousands) No
catch that was it. So after thinking it over and talking to a few
people first I thought
about trying it. I figured: "what have I got to lose except 6 stamps
and $6.00 right?"
Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!?... within 7 days I
started getting
money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon but the
money just kept
coming in. In my first week I made about $25.00. By the end of the
second week I had
made a total of over $1000.00! In the third week I had over $10000.00
and it's still
growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just
over $42000.00 and
it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps
I have spent more
than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this works and most
importantly WHY it
works... Also make sure you print a copy of this article NOW so you
can get the
information off of it as you need it. I promise you that if you follow
the directions exactly
that you will start making more money than you thought possible by
doing something so
easy!
Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (print it out or
download it.) Follow the
simple directions and watch the money come in!
It's easy. It's legal. And your investment is only $6.00 (Plus
postage)
IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not
illegal; and it is 99% no risk -
it really works!
If all of the following instructions are adhered to you will receive
extraordinary dividends.
PLEASE NOTE:
Please follow these directions EXACTLY and $50000 or more can be yours
in 20 to 60
days. This program remains successful because of the honesty and
integrity of the
participants. Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the
instructions.
You will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business
your product is not
solid and tangible it's a service. You are in the business of
developing Mailing Lists. Many
large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists.
However the money made
from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from
people like you and
me asking to be included in that list.
Here are the 4 easy steps to success:
STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each
piece of paper
"PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and
place ONE
inside
EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the
envelope (to prevent
thievery). Next place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal
them. You should
now have 6 sealed envelopes each with a piece of paper stating the
above phrase your
name and address and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a
service. THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are
paying for
it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried
about the legal aspects of it
all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161)
and they confirmed
that it is indeed legal. Mail the 6 envelopes to the following
addresses:

#
#1) John Miller
P.O. Box 121052
Nashville, TN 37212

#2) J. Linley
4324 Beechgrove Dr.
Grove City, OH 43123

#3) J McClintock
80 Lenard LN
Northglenn, CO 80233

#4) R McRae
3125 Sebring Dr.
Plano, TX 75023

#5) S. Lambert
P.O. Box 860
Attalla, AL 35954

6) Derrick Lin
20204 Bainbridge Way
Freehold, NJ 07728

STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above move the
other names up
(6 becomes 5 5 becomes 4 etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the
list.
STEP 3: Change anything you need to but try to keep this article as
close to original as
possible. Now post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I
think there are
close to 24000 groups) All you need is 200 but remember the more you
post the more
money you make! You won't get very much unless you post like crazy.
This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts refer to Title 18 Sec.
1302 & 1341 of the
Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and
whenever you need
money you can use it again and again.
PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the
honesty and
integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the
directions. Look at it this
way. If you are of integrity the program will continue and the money
that so many others
have received will come your way.
NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you either
on a computer
or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that
you are truly
providing a service. (Also it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill
in dark paper to
reduce the risk of mail theft.)
So as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed
six members will be
reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar
each. Your name will
move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1
position you will
be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity for
only $6.00 ($1.00 for
each of the first six people listed above) Send it now add your own
name to the list and
you're in business!
---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------
Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put
your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to
the bottom of this
document and select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the
entire letter into the
computer's memory.
Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top
of the blank page.
>From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the
letter into notepad so
that you can add your name to the list.
Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings in
different settings you'll always have this file to go back to.
Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for
various newsgroups
(on-line forums message boards chat sites discussions.)
Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
message by highlighting
the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill
in the Subject this will
be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of
postings in a
particular group click the post message button. You're done with your
first one!
Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post
away after you get the hang of it it will take about 30 seconds for
each newsgroup!
**REMEMBER THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN THE MORE MONEY YOU
WILL MAKE!
BUT :
YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin
receiving money from
around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a
P.O.Box due to the large
amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous you can
invent a name to
use as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE
ADDRESSES ARE
CORRECT.**
Now each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200
postings
each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the
original 5 that is
another $25.00 for me now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my
name at #4
and only 5 replies each I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now
those 125 persons turn
around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5
replies each I
will make an additional $625.00! OK now here is the fun part each of
those 625 persons
post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only
receive 5 replies
that just made me $3125.00!!! Those 3125 persons will all deliver this
message to 200
newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200
newsgroups react I will
receive $1562500! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING!
When your name
is no longer on the list you just take the latest posting in the
newsgroups and send out
another $6.00 to names on the list putting your name at number 6
again. And start
posting again. The thing to remember is: do you realize that thousands
of people all over
the world are joining the internet and reading these articles
everyday? JUST LIKE YOU are
now!! So can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think
so... People have said
"what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? So
what! What are the
chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and
new honest
people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are
willing to give it a
try? Estimates are at 20000 to 50000 new users every day with
thousands of those
joining the actual internet. Remember play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and
this will really work!

Youll Be Glad You Made The Effort !
thanks

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TOPIC: CELL-PHONE INTERNET ?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 3:20 pm
From: ""

We're hearing about so many people
who've given up their land-lines
and gone completely to cell-phone.

What do they do for internet ?
I know they advertise cell-plans with unlimited minutes.
Can you hook your PC to the cell phone
and maintain dial-up net service ?

<rj>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 3:32 pm
From: ranck@vt.edu

"<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com> wrote:
> We're hearing about so many people
> who've given up their land-lines
> and gone completely to cell-phone.

> What do they do for internet ?
> I know they advertise cell-plans with unlimited minutes.
> Can you hook your PC to the cell phone
> and maintain dial-up net service ?

Yes, though it's not exactly dial-up. It's faster than that,
though not as fast as DSL. Digital cell phone networks have the
capability. I used it for about a year, but just went back
to DSL on a "dry line." The service I had cost an extra $20/month
for unlimited digital service, that's on top of the regular cell
phone service and the digital minutes don't count against cell
phone voice minutes. Your cell phone provider may have different
types of plans.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

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