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TOPIC: Condo in South Florida
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Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 7:25 am
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Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 7:39 am
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Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 7:41 am
From: nikebrandun@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Buying a fleet vehicle AND dickering with a used car salesman
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 8:05 am
From: Wooly

Chloe wrote:
> What does KBB list as the retail value?

KBB lists the likely retail as $21000 with no discount for the
"excessive" mileage. The $20k list price seems to account for that.

I'm going to make a WAG here and suppose the dealer paid less than
"excellent trade-in" value at auction. I'd expect $2k over high trade
value to cover the dealer's time-and-tool investment in reconditioning
and to give both the salescreature and the dealership a slice.

But I could be wrong, hence my query. I typically buy my used cars via
private party sales, this is my first go with a dealer for a used car.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 9:33 am
From: "Bill"

Don't take a cashier's check. The actual total price can include this and
that and could be something like $18,321.65. Also some car dealers may have
a certain name on the sign out front, but might want checks payable to some
other name (like something or other auto group). Then these days they may be
able to take a personal check and process it as an electronic transfer -
possibly no need for cashiers check.

Start by pretending to be interested in less expensive cars. Say you only
want to spend $15,000. The salesman will try to get you to buy something
more expensive.

Don't say you have cash. They make additional money from financing, so get
the final purchase price before you tell them you are paying cash.

So let him show you the more expensive cars and the car you really want.

Say you like the car you really want. Point out anything wrong you can find
with it. Scratches, high mileage, anything wrong with interior, etc.

Say you like it, but it is not worth that much due to all the problems you
found, plus you only want to spend $15,000.00!

Then he will come down in price. Stick to your $15,000.00. Test drive it.

Then there will come to a point where they stick you in a room so the
salesman can "discuss" lowering the price more with the "big boss". (Bring
someone along with you) Then the room you are in probably has a hidden
microphone. They want to hear what you are saying in the room to your
friend/spouse.

So say to your friend or spouse (in the room by yourselves) I guess I could
spend a little more on that car. I like it. If they offered it to me for
$17,000.00 I would buy it right now.

Etc.

Just keep slowly going up in price while salesman comes down in price.

When he gives you his rock bottom price because anything lower would be
"below what they paid for the car", walk! Say that is too much, then say you
are going to look at cars elsewhere.

Etc.

The salesman will NOT want you to leave. He will try again with the "big
boss".

Then in room say you might go a bit higher, but not much. The car is just
not worth it because of all those problems, etc.

Anyway stick to your guns and go up with what you will pay slowly. You may
get the car for less than $18,500.

Expect the salesman to get ticked off when you tell him cash. Don't sign
anything or give them any personal information until you get your price.

Walking away does wonders to get them to lower the price a bit more. Bring
your walking shoes!

"Wooly" wrote in message
> How does one go about locating major rental company fleet purchasing
> opportunities?
>
> ++++
>
> When dickering for with the dealer for a used car is there a rule of thumb
> for making an initial offer?
>
> The dealer bought the car at auction, for how much I know not. KBB lists
> the trade-in value at $16,500 and it is stickered at $20,000. I'm willing
> to pay $18,500 cash and I have no trade-in. Should I make a one-time cash
> offer with the cashier's check in hand - and be prepared to walk away if
> they turn me down?
>
> The car has been on the lot for a month. The car is in excellent
> condition and has 4 years remaining on the original manufacturer's
> warranty. I have to travel ~300 one way to get the car.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 10:32 am
From: "Chloe"

"Wooly" <nobody@nunya> wrote in message
news:46d439e0$0$16458$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Chloe wrote:
>> What does KBB list as the retail value?
>
> KBB lists the likely retail as $21000 with no discount for the "excessive"
> mileage. The $20k list price seems to account for that.
>
> I'm going to make a WAG here and suppose the dealer paid less than
> "excellent trade-in" value at auction. I'd expect $2k over high trade
> value to cover the dealer's time-and-tool investment in reconditioning and
> to give both the salescreature and the dealership a slice.
>
> But I could be wrong, hence my query. I typically buy my used cars via
> private party sales, this is my first go with a dealer for a used car.

I've done a bit of bargaining from time to time and your plan sounds okay to
me. The only potential problem I see is with your 300 mile distance from the
seller and potential problems that might crop up later. Are they offering
any kind of warranty? Will you have to go back there if you encounter a
problem? If so, what if the car's not driveable? Are you willing to just buy
"as is" and deal with potentially costly repairs on a high-mileage vehicle
at a location closer to you?

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 11:08 am
From: Wooly

Chloe wrote:
> "Wooly" <nobody@nunya> wrote in message
> news:46d439e0$0$16458$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Chloe wrote:
>>> What does KBB list as the retail value?
>> KBB lists the likely retail as $21000 with no discount for the "excessive"
>> mileage. The $20k list price seems to account for that.
>>
>> I'm going to make a WAG here and suppose the dealer paid less than
>> "excellent trade-in" value at auction. I'd expect $2k over high trade
>> value to cover the dealer's time-and-tool investment in reconditioning and
>> to give both the salescreature and the dealership a slice.
>>
>> But I could be wrong, hence my query. I typically buy my used cars via
>> private party sales, this is my first go with a dealer for a used car.
>
> I've done a bit of bargaining from time to time and your plan sounds okay to
> me. The only potential problem I see is with your 300 mile distance from the
> seller and potential problems that might crop up later. Are they offering
> any kind of warranty? Will you have to go back there if you encounter a
> problem? If so, what if the car's not driveable? Are you willing to just buy
> "as is" and deal with potentially costly repairs on a high-mileage vehicle
> at a location closer to you?
>
>

The car is a Volvo with 4 years left on the original manufacturer
warranty; I have a local Volvo dealer for major warranty service, and an
indy Volvo mechanic for regular maintenance. I also have a
recommendation for an indy mechanic in the city where the car is located
who will do a separate inspection tomorrow. I've run the Carfax report
and I'm waiting for the dealer's million-points inspection checklist to
arrive via email. I have someone on the ground who I trust and who has
test-driven the vehicle; she reports it drives well. The mileage is
excessive by "book" standards but not by Volvo standards.

I'd prefer to buy locally but I'm having a few personality issues with
the used car side of the local dealership. I've been pretty well given
to understand that if I want to buy a used car through them I'll take
something they already have on the lot - and that means they aren't
getting my sale. So sad for them :D

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 11:25 am
From: "Chloe"

"Wooly" <nobody@nunya> wrote in message
news:46d46496$0$31890$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Chloe wrote:
> The car is a Volvo with 4 years left on the original manufacturer
> warranty; I have a local Volvo dealer for major warranty service, and an
> indy Volvo mechanic for regular maintenance. I also have a recommendation
> for an indy mechanic in the city where the car is located who will do a
> separate inspection tomorrow. I've run the Carfax report and I'm waiting
> for the dealer's million-points inspection checklist to arrive via email.
> I have someone on the ground who I trust and who has test-driven the
> vehicle; she reports it drives well. The mileage is excessive by "book"
> standards but not by Volvo standards.
>
> I'd prefer to buy locally but I'm having a few personality issues with the
> used car side of the local dealership. I've been pretty well given to
> understand that if I want to buy a used car through them I'll take
> something they already have on the lot - and that means they aren't
> getting my sale. So sad for them :D

Sounds like the distance is a non-issue, then.

Given that this is a used vehicle, I'm not sure about the advice from the
other poster to not let them know you have cash in hand to buy the car. I
know financing can be a profit point for them but they also incur costs
arranging financing on a used vehicle and common sense and instinct tell me
that they'd be just as happy to have the transaction over and done with. The
other guy who replied did make a good point about taxes, licensing, etc.,
all those little miscellaneous costs. You might want to be prepared with a
couple hundred in cash just in case there's some fee you didn't think of. Or
maybe you just want the amount of the cashier's check to be your bottom
line.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 11:21 am
From: "John Weiss"

"Wooly" <nobody@nunya> wrote...
>
> When dickering for with the dealer for a used car is there a rule of thumb
> for making an initial offer?

Not really. Offer what it is worth to you. Either give yourself some wiggle
room (if you REALLY want it), or smply go right to your BAFO (best and final
offer).

> The dealer bought the car at auction, for how much I know not. KBB lists the
> trade-in value at $16,500 and it is stickered at $20,000. I'm willing to pay
> $18,500 cash and I have no trade-in. Should I make a one-time cash offer
> with the cashier's check in hand - and be prepared to walk away if they turn
> me down?

Sounds reasonable. Make it clear that your offer is a "bottom line" offer --
ALL dealer's fees & taxes included.

> The car has been on the lot for a month. The car is in excellent condition
> and has 4 years remaining on the original manufacturer's warranty. I have to
> travel ~300 one way to get the car.

Bring a friend who can drive you back home or drive the other car back home.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 11:37 am
From: Wooly

Chloe wrote:

> maybe you just want the amount of the cashier's check to be your bottom
> line.

That's pretty much the case. Really I'm speaking metaphorically as I've
done all the shopping via email and phone thus far. I expect to nail a
price over the phone (or be told to take a hike) and sign the contract
via fax before I get on the train.

Distance is an issue only in that I'm inconvenienced by the local
dealer's refusal to bring in a car for me. It'll be a day out of my
life to go get the car and drive it home (gotta love metro traffic), but
I can live with it to get the car I want at a price I'm willing to pay.

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TOPIC: Panama's Best Resource
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TOPIC: HOW TO MAKE EASY MONEY FAST AND LEGALLY!!!!!!!! No paypal or credit
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Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 9:11 am
From: marie_wessels@hotmail.com

Normally I would be leary of this but this was in a newsletter from
the amylynn.org. website (those of you that are into making money from
surveys knows who she is) and I trust anything she allows on her news
letter. So I have decided to try it out.
This seems to really have potential. This is the way the original post
appeared when I first found it. Read it all then decide for yourself.
It works for me! I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try
it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like
you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you
could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial
investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam",
but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Even though the
investment was a measly $6, I had three questions that needed to be
answered before I could get involved in this sort of thing. IS THIS
REALLY LEGAL? I called a lawyer first. The lawyer was a little
skeptical that I would actually make any CASH but he said it WAS LEGAL
if I wanted to try it. I told him it sounded a lot like a chain letter
but the details of the system (SEE BELOW) actually made it a
legitimate legal business. 2. IS OK WITH THE POST OFFICE OR IS IT MAIL
FRAUD? I called them: 1-800-725-2161 and they confirmed THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! (See 18, h sections1302 NS 1341 of Postal Lottery
Laws). This clarifies the program of collecting names and addresses
for a mailing list. 3. IS IT RIGHT? Well, everyone who sends me a buck
has a good chance of getting A LOT of CASH ... a much better chance
than buying a lottery ticket!!! 4. WHAT IS THE BUSINESS? You are in
the business of collecting mailing lists and recruiting new list
developers. These questions answered, I decided to proceed. The
instructions said that you have to send $1.00 to each of the 6 names
and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and
address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at
least 300 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So,
I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!! Within 7 days, I
started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would
end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made
about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over
$1,000! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still
growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just
over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth
$6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let
me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works. Also,
make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the
information off of it as you need it. I seems likely to me that if you
follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money
than you thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read
this entire message carefully! (print it out or download it.) Follow
the simple directions and watch the money come in! It's easy. It's
legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT:
This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it
is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of the following
instructions are adhered to, you will receive extraordinary dividends.
PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or
more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful
because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please
continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You
will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business your
product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the
business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are
happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from
the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people
like you and me asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4
easy steps to success: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and
write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR
MAILING LIST include your mailing address, the date and your
signature." Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the
6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope
(to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6
envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each
with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address,
and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are
paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little
worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with
the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is
indeed legal! Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:

1.)CRISTIAN MURO
1200 brookside dr,
san pablo,CA 94806,USA
2.) T. Dunn
722 Hopital Rd.
Dawson Springs, Ky 42408,USA
3.) K. Carpenter
P.O. Box 5174
Rantoul Illinois 61866-5174
4.) Bridget Fleming
1181 Reynolds Rd
Lewisville, NC 27023
5.) T. D. Mobley
P.O. Box 84
Chester, SC 29706
6.)Marie Wessels
11441 N IH 35 apt. 11203
Austin, Tx 78753
STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as
number 6 on the list.
STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at
least 300 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 32,000 groups) All
you need is 300, but remember, the more you post, the more money you
make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title
18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. PLEASE REMEMBER that
this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity
of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions.
Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program will
continue and the money that so many others have received will come
your way.
NOTE: You want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on
a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This
VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a
good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail
theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully
followed, six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a
List Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list
geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will
be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity for
only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Send
it now, add your own name to the list and you're in business!
DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS
STEP 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and
drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select `copy'
from the edit menu.
This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory
STEP 2) Open a blank `notepad' file and place your cursor at the top
of the blank page. From the `edit' menu select `paste'. This will
paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name
to the lis
STEP 3) Save your new notepad file as a text file. If you want to do
your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to
go back to.
STEP 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for
various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites,
discussions.)
STEP 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste
from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that
everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a
particular group, click the post message button. You're done with your
first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to
different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it
will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! REMEMBER, THE MORE
NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO
POST A MINIMUM OF 300 That's it! You will begin receiving money from
around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.
Box due to the large amounts.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 9:13 am
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US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
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MSN and E-mail: shopbb@hotmail.com
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 9:25 am
From: Dennis

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:36:00 -0400, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:24:30 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:00:32 -0000, s <s@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Aug 27, 6:35 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:48:30 -0700, s <s...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>> >I will be completing high school in May 08 and I will be 17 then.
>>>>
>>>> Right. And just a couple weeks ago, you were an IT worker with a safe
>>>> but underpaid government job who was trying to advise two teenage
>>>> charges with high ambitions who were nearing graduation.
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you realize computers/Internet connection can be shared?
>>>
>>>They can ALSO be used by your neighbours/friend's(and you also can use
>>>your neighbour's/friend's/colleague')?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Really? Do you also share your writing style, spelling quirks and
>>favorite phrases with your neighbors and friends?
>>
>>Such a chummy group! LOL
>>
>>Busted! I vote troll. (But a reasonably polite one. ;-)
>>
>>Dennis (evil)
>
>Shoulda known. However, the subject matter is something that could
>help the few teen lurkers left. On a waste of time scale, this one
>was much less than political rants.

Yeah, this is a strange one. The poster has been consistently polite
and engaging. You gotta wonder why he bothered with the fictional
backstories. Maybe it's all research for a book/article/term project
or something.

But what I really wonder about is whether there is a trend towards
voluntary simplicity in the future.
:-)

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 9:32 am
From: me@privacy.net

Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>But what I really wonder about is whether there is a trend towards
>voluntary simplicity in the future.

Possibly

Maybe it will be forced upon us by economic forces?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 10:48 am
From: "cat"

"s" <s@mailinator.com> wrote in message

> Going for a Nursing degree(B.S.+M.S), then become a certified nursing
> anesthetistic could enable me to start with 125K or so in an area like
> Binghamton at the age of 25, if we consider I finish B.S.+ M.S at same
> campus by 22, work for two years and then obtain the certificate. The
> advantage is in this field stress seems to be less(40-50hrs/week) as
> compared to other fields(70-80hrs/week) which start with a six figure
> salary.

I realize you're already been outed as a troll, but for anyone who is
actually serious about nursing:

You can't come out of high school and get a BS/MS in nursing in three years.
Most generic students who go for the BSN alone are lucky to finish in four,
what with all the prerequisites. The BS/MS option is for nurses who have
already completed diplomas or associate's degrees in nursing and have
several years of nursing experience, or for generic students who already
have baccalaureate degrees. You also can't come out of nursing school and
go right into anesthesia school. CRNA programs are master's-level, BTW, not
certificates, and they all require experience in emergency room or intensive
care nursing prior to application. Admissions are highly competitive, and
students are strongly discouraged from working while they go to school due
to the intensity of the programs, so even with the stipend that some
programs offer, financial stability is crucial.

And anyone who thinks nursing is a low-stress job is truly either a troll or
a complete moron.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 12:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote
> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote

>> But what I really wonder about is whether there is
>> a trend towards voluntary simplicity in the future.

> Possibly

> Maybe it will be forced upon us by economic forces?

I doubt it.

That didnt even happen much during the great depression
and we have worked out how to avoid those now.

Didnt happen in Japan recently either.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 10:04 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

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7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 11:06 am
From: DouhetSukd@gmail.com

I just moved into this new high rise apartment and I'd like to hang
some stuff up. Mostly a few small paintings, but also a few heavier
(6.5 pounds/3kg) masks off the walls.

Anything wrong with the walls when I move out will obviously be my
fault, because the building just went up and I am the first renter.
So I'd like to minimize my visible exit damages to the drywall.

I have written down the paint color codes from Benjamin Moore for the
building, so I think I can touch up stuff when I leave.

Any suggestions as to what type of fasteners to use? And best ways to
fix things up when I leave? I've owned a house and am moderately
savvy about repairs.

In fact, let's extend the question all the way up to what adhesives to
use for my kids' posters. Ideally, I don't want my landlady to have
any excuses to bill me a repainting job.

Cheers

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 11:18 am
From: "bill allemann"

Check out the little hooks where a nail goes through the hook and into the
wall at a 45 deg angle. They are cheap and in every hardware store, and
hold much more than you might think.
Do not use the adhesive products. They leave a nasty residue, and will
probably cause the loss of some damage deposit.

<DouhetSukd@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188324376.187316.151510@r23g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>I just moved into this new high rise apartment and I'd like to hang
> some stuff up. Mostly a few small paintings, but also a few heavier
> (6.5 pounds/3kg) masks off the walls.
>
> Anything wrong with the walls when I move out will obviously be my
> fault, because the building just went up and I am the first renter.
> So I'd like to minimize my visible exit damages to the drywall.
>
> I have written down the paint color codes from Benjamin Moore for the
> building, so I think I can touch up stuff when I leave.
>
> Any suggestions as to what type of fasteners to use? And best ways to
> fix things up when I leave? I've owned a house and am moderately
> savvy about repairs.
>
> In fact, let's extend the question all the way up to what adhesives to
> use for my kids' posters. Ideally, I don't want my landlady to have
> any excuses to bill me a repainting job.
>
> Cheers
>

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 11:38 am
From: George

DouhetSukd@gmail.com wrote:
> I just moved into this new high rise apartment and I'd like to hang
> some stuff up. Mostly a few small paintings, but also a few heavier
> (6.5 pounds/3kg) masks off the walls.
>
> Anything wrong with the walls when I move out will obviously be my
> fault, because the building just went up and I am the first renter.
> So I'd like to minimize my visible exit damages to the drywall.
>
> I have written down the paint color codes from Benjamin Moore for the
> building, so I think I can touch up stuff when I leave.
>
> Any suggestions as to what type of fasteners to use? And best ways to
> fix things up when I leave? I've owned a house and am moderately
> savvy about repairs.
>
> In fact, let's extend the question all the way up to what adhesives to
> use for my kids' posters. Ideally, I don't want my landlady to have
> any excuses to bill me a repainting job.
>
> Cheers
>
Forget about those "easy release" stick on hangers that have a tab that
you pull that is supposed to release them. I had someone who rented an
apartment of mine and used them all over the place. When they moved out
they tried to release them and only one came off cleanly. On the others
the adhesive had penetrated into the drywall paper.

You might also check if your lease allows you to "fix things up".

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 12:17 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:06:16 -0700, DouhetSukd@gmail.com wrote:

>I just moved into this new high rise apartment and I'd like to hang
>some stuff up. Mostly a few small paintings, but also a few heavier
>(6.5 pounds/3kg) masks off the walls.
>
>Anything wrong with the walls when I move out will obviously be my
>fault, because the building just went up and I am the first renter.
>So I'd like to minimize my visible exit damages to the drywall.
>
>I have written down the paint color codes from Benjamin Moore for the
>building, so I think I can touch up stuff when I leave.
>
>Any suggestions as to what type of fasteners to use? And best ways to
>fix things up when I leave? I've owned a house and am moderately
>savvy about repairs.
>
>In fact, let's extend the question all the way up to what adhesives to
>use for my kids' posters. Ideally, I don't want my landlady to have
>any excuses to bill me a repainting job.
>
>Cheers

A 1" x 2" frame with a pegboard/cork/fabric insert could be wedged
between floor and ceiling using furniture leveling bolts. Stuff hung
on it would leave no marks at all on the drywall behind it.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 1:29 pm
From: RickH

On Aug 28, 1:06 pm, DouhetS...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just moved into this new high rise apartment and I'd like to hang
> some stuff up. Mostly a few small paintings, but also a few heavier
> (6.5 pounds/3kg) masks off the walls.
>
> Anything wrong with the walls when I move out will obviously be my
> fault, because the building just went up and I am the first renter.
> So I'd like to minimize my visible exit damages to the drywall.
>
> I have written down the paint color codes from Benjamin Moore for the
> building, so I think I can touch up stuff when I leave.
>
> Any suggestions as to what type of fasteners to use? And best ways to
> fix things up when I leave? I've owned a house and am moderately
> savvy about repairs.
>
> In fact, let's extend the question all the way up to what adhesives to
> use for my kids' posters. Ideally, I don't want my landlady to have
> any excuses to bill me a repainting job.
>
> Cheers

Any hangar that makes a hole is better than an adhesive hangar, a
hangar hole is very easily repaired later with single wipe of drywall
compound. While an adhesive hangar, when removed, will tear the
drywall paper off and that is very hard to hide/fix later when you are
moving out. Use the hangar that is appropriate for the weight of the
object. For example if the painting has a glass front, use a molly
bolt or mushrooming bolt. If a small picture is light then just use a
plastic anchor and screw. If its real light use a thumbtack or brad
hook.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 1:39 pm
From: Chris Friesen

I suggest either of these:

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=50402&cat=3,40914,50630&ap=1
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=52367&cat=3,40914,50630&ap=1

The first comes in a range of sizes and uses finishing nails to support
up to 75lb, the second is a single item that supports up to 50lb.

As others have said...small puncture marks are easily hidden, but
adhesive-based methods are hard to fix.

Chris

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 28 2007 1:27 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <7007d3d45n6h31s6jsfsa95aoas91k5kap@4ax.com>,
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com says...
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:36:31 -0700, "<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:58:53 -0400, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>The part of the coverage that's explicitly called "uninsured motorist" pays
> >>YOU if you suffer damages as a result of the fault of someone with no
> >>insurance. I guess if you don't want it, you shouldn't have to buy it, but
> >>the point is that it doesn't pay them.
> >>
> >My point exactly !
> >
> >I have to buy insurance coverage to protect my liablity,
> >
> >then, I have to buy insurance coverage to protect myself
> >from those who choose not to buy insurance coverage.....

> And those who are not legal to drive. A friend of mine was in an
> accident caused by a drunk driver who was an illegal immigrant. He
> wasn't legal to drive, so no insurance. He was deported, and my friend
> was left with her friends making cobra payments for her so that she
> could get the needed long term health care.
>
> Her won insurance was the legal minimum (liability, nothing for
> herself), and she had just left one job to start a new job. By paying
> teh cobra payments, we could keep her old insurance going.
>
> She lost her apartment since nothing covered rent, and she was in a
> nursing home for 6 months., Her car was never replaced. She lost the
> new job she had and couldn't go back to the old job because of her
> injuries. She was on welfare for a couple years while she healed and
> then got training in a new field. It was pretty tough for her as she
> was already over 50, and the injuries were pretty bad
>
> That extra coverage would have really helped her out.
>
> I agree that it is a shame we have to do this. But we cannot prevent
> insured drivers from getting on the road.

The risk doesn't even need the "illegal immigrant without
insurance" angle. A licensed, insured person might might cause a
crash while drunk. And perhaps his/her insurance provider may
have fine print voiding the policy in those circumstances. And
s/he might have nothing for you to take in civil court.

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