Frugal Living: 24 new messages in 10 topics

Thursday, November 8, 2007

24 new messages in 10 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Proof That Dave Jensen Is A SPAMMER
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/908bef55f5f99ded?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:43 pm
From: Mark Thorson

Your blogspot web site is most certainly commercial
advertising for the products you are affiliated with.
Here is what you said about your web site (on 7/21/07):

> On occasion, I will mention a product that
> I am affiliated with, and this is clearly
> presented in the text. That only happens
> in about one out of ten or twelve posts.

How many posts does it take to make the
whole web site a commercial advertisement?
Clever spammers don't make their whole
web site advertising, because that tips off
the consumer he's being given a sales pitch.
Clever spammers mix their advertising with
non-advertising to make it seem non-commercial.

This is the basis for saying that your web site
is commercial, and every time you post an
advertisement in a non-commercial discussion
newsgroup, you are spamming. That makes you
a SPAMMER.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:57 pm
From: "Bob F"

Plonk!

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TOPIC: vacuum cleaner-comparison-best buy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d4422c2827943bde?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:46 pm
From: Andy Champ

Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <1194459963.920975.120360@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
> "augusto321@hotmail.com" <augusto321@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello there,
>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
>> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
>> association reporting the best buy ?
>> Thanks for your suggestions!
>> Augusto
>
> Check http://www.consumerreports.org/

"Consumers Union of U.S., Inc.". US appliances will be different to
Europe owing to the different voltage.

Andy

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:53 pm
From: Andy Champ

Chris Game wrote:
>
> I don't think that's true - the latest report seems to be April
> which doesn't have such a rating for Henry. Do you have a reference?
>
I have a web subscription. Report dated 19 Oct 2007.

"We rarely find an upright vacuum cleaner that's good at every task but
performance of some models is so disappointing we'd recommend all Which?
readers give them a miss."

I don't want to post the whole report up, that'd be a bit of a copyright
violation.

Andy

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:06 pm
From: Owain

ARWadsworth wrote:
> You can buy robotic vacuum cleaners ...
> The lazy bastards do not do stairs though, you have to leave that to
> the wife.

Don't have stairs or wife. Life's simple.

Owain

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:01 pm
From: "Bob Eager"

On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:53:11 UTC, Andy Champ <no.way@nospam.com> wrote:

> Chris Game wrote:
> >
> > I don't think that's true - the latest report seems to be April
> > which doesn't have such a rating for Henry. Do you have a reference?
> >
> I have a web subscription. Report dated 19 Oct 2007.
>
> "We rarely find an upright vacuum cleaner that's good at every task but
> performance of some models is so disappointing we'd recommend all Which?
> readers give them a miss."

But...but....you were talking about a Henry...which is NOT an upright!

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:49 pm
From: Steve

augusto321@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hello there,
> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> association reporting the best buy ?
> Thanks for your suggestions!
> Augusto
>
Miele. Their cheap ones are almost as good as their very expensive ones...

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TOPIC: New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for
starters)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e8eaca4e16f86c3d?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:39 pm
From: Klaatu

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:15:50 GMT, Klaatu posted to alt.comp.freeware:

> I can't stand the UI of 7-zip myself. It's been a while since I tried
> it, but I could get it to do simple things that were a breeze with
> WinZip or IZArc for that matter.

Oops, of course I meant "...but I could NOT get it to do simple things...".
Duh me.

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Long live longevity!

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:32 pm
From: John Fitzsimons

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:03:12 -0600, "-Lost"
<maventheextrawords@techie.com> wrote:

>Response from John Fitzsimons <DELETEucwubqf02@sneakemail.com>:

>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:38:37 -0800, meow2222@care2.com wrote:

>> < snip >

>>>Winzip was once in common use and is well known, however
>>>freeware like 7-zip does it all, does it better, and with a much
>>>better
>>>UI.

>> I don't think it does things better. With Winzip I can extract a
>> compressed file to a folder of the same name. Automatically.

>> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
>> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
>> as the archive.

>> IMO tedious, very tedious.

>> Regards, John.

>Tools > Options > Plugins (tab) > 7-Zip (plug-in) > Options > System
>(tab) >
>"Extract to <Folder>"

>Do you think it does things better now? ; )

No. I have that option ticked. I still cannot extract a compressed
file to a folder of the same name without manually putting in the name
of the folder (if using the GUI). I can with Winzip.

Regards, John.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:32 pm
From: John Fitzsimons

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:20:48 GMT, Erica Eshoo
<evesunflor@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:58:32 -0800, Anthony Matonak wrote:

>>> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
>>> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
>>> as the archive.

>> I used Extract Now and it seems to do the folder thing OK.
>> http://www.extractnow.com/

>For the record, IZArc freeware not only extracts the file to a folder of
>any name, it chooses the most logical name and location automatically for
>you ... and ... not only that - but it opens the resultant folder
>automatically for you if you have that option checked.

>What could be more convenient?

Extracting a compressed file to a folder of the same name. Without
needing to manually put the name of the folder in.

< snip >

Regards, John.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:32 pm
From: John Fitzsimons

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:58:32 -0800, Anthony Matonak
<anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:

>John Fitzsimons wrote:

>> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
>> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
>> as the archive.

>I used Extract Now and it seems to do the folder thing OK.
>http://www.extractnow.com/

Yes, but AFAIK it doesn't do 7-zip extractions. :-(

Regards, John.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:21 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

John Fitzsimons wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:58:32 -0800, Anthony Matonak wrote:
>
>> I used Extract Now and it seems to do the folder thing OK.
>> http://www.extractnow.com/
>
> Yes, but AFAIK it doesn't do 7-zip extractions. :-(

From the website...
: Supports ZIP, RAR, ISO, BIN, IMG, IMA, IMZ, 7Z, ACE, JAR, GZ, LZH,
: LHA, TAR, SIT archive formats

I don't know if 7Z is the same as 7-zip but it sounds close.

Anthony

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TOPIC: action against Argos on faulty goods
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0c66ea2e96d149d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:56 pm
From: "Peter Crosland"

Anthony R. Gold wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:07:58 GMT, "johngood_____" <void@void.net>
> wrote:
>
>> What action might I take with Argos, since I'm fed up that they can
>> just say, "its a year", so tough luck. Thanks for any advice.
>
> Manufacturer's often offer a one year warranty in addition to any and
> all legal rights you have against the supplier. Did Argos ever say
> to you about any purchase '"its a year", so tough luck' or did you
> make that up?

AFAIK there is now a European Directive that gives a minimum consumer
guarantee of two years but I can't find the reference.

Peter Crosland

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:56 pm
From: "Anthony R. Gold"

On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:56:29 -0000, "Peter Crosland" <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> AFAIK there is now a European Directive that gives a minimum consumer
> guarantee of two years but I can't find the reference.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/1999/l_171/l_17119990707en00120016.pdf
http://www.gkhlaw.com/content.asp?page=articles&article=Minimum_Warranty_Requirements

but of course all directives are toothless without enacting national
legislation.

Tony

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Anthony R. Gold <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote
> Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> wrote

>> AFAIK there is now a European Directive that gives a minimum
>> consumer guarantee of two years but I can't find the reference.
>
> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/1999/l_171/l_17119990707en00120016.pdf
> http://www.gkhlaw.com/content.asp?page=articles&article=Minimum_Warranty_Requirements

That second one clearly says that it isnt a 2 year warranty at all.

> but of course all directives are toothless without enacting national legislation.

Wrong.

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TOPIC: Earn money using PAYPAL as seen on Oprah & 20/20
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/334af4da683b3343?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:14 pm
From: ltpersonaltraining@yahoo.com

As Seen On OPRAH & 20/20 - TURN $6 into $24600
Earn money using PAYPAL as seen on Oprah & 20/20

THE PAYPAL 6 DOLLAR MONEY-MAKING METHOD

AS SEEN ON OPRAH EARN HUGE $$$$$$$$

all you need is:
1) An email address
2) A PayPal account
3) $6.00
THIS IS A 2007, CURRENT EMAIL LIST

Ever since the internet became popular, the word "scam" has become a
daily term. I have never once tried any money making "system" outside
of this because of that very reason. However, after reading reports
on
the validity and reputation of this money making system (seen on
Oprah,
CNN, and other media forums) I decided to give this one a shot...
Especially since the so called "risk" is only $6.00. I mean, for the
chance, what a joke right? Anyway, only hours after implementing this
exact system I about fell out of my chair as money ACTUALLY started
rolling in. I couldn't believe it and for that reason, I wrote this
intro and became a believer in this system.

WHAT IS IT?

The idea is that of a system that takes advantage of the power of
compounding. And in a big way, let me tell you. First and foremost
understand that there are
countless spin-offs of this system that try to make a "quick buck"
off
of people. Long lists, the 5 & 10 dollar trees, the birthday systems,
etc...

Those spin-offs do make money because of the ease of implementation
of
this idea, but they do NOT use the compounding advantage. This system
is THE legit and profitable one. Here is how it works... There is a
list of 6 email addresses (you'll see it as you read further). Each
of
these people has already taken part in this system. When someone new
comes along (such as yourself) he/she removes #1 off of the list,
moves
the other five email addresses up one position (i.e. #6 goes to #5,
#5
to #4, etc.), and places their PayPal email address in the #6
position.
This process is what develops the power of compounding. The bottom
line
is this... Honesty and Integrity creates Profitability. Following
this
EXACT process is what creates the money, and that is why this system
has been raved about in the media. Altering the system creates weak
results. The legality of this system comes from the idea that you are
of course creating a mailing list, and a "service" is being provided
(more on that later.) Now on to how your $6.00 creates BIG money...

INSTRUCTIONS:

STEP 1:

The first thing to do is highlight and SAVE this entire post in word
or
notepad on your computer so you can come back to it later.

After that, if you are not already a PayPal user you need to go to
the
PayPal website at https://www.paypal.com/au/mrb/pal=CW4RHQW7BQJKC and
SIGN UP. If you want to be able to
receive credit card payments from other people then you will need to
sign up for a PREMIER or BUSINESS account (not just a PERSONAL
account). This is highly recommended to allow others easy payment
options. In order to place the initial $6 into your account, you will
have to verify your bank account with PAYPAL (which may take a few
days). PAYPAL is 100% secure and is used by millions of people
worldwide.

STEP 2:

Here is where the action occurs. The first thing to do is to send a
$1.00 payment to each of the 6 email addresses on the current list
from
your PayPal account. To do this quickly and successfully, follow
these
simple steps:

1. Login to PayPal and click on the "Send Money" tab near the top of
the screen

2. In the "Recipient's Email" field enter the email address

3. In the "Amount" field enter "1" (This is your $1.00 payment)

4. In the "Category" field select "Service" (Keeping it legal)

5. In the "Subject" field type "EMAIL LIST", and in the "NOTE" field
enter "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST". By doing this, you are
creating a service and maintaining the legality of the system by
"paying" for the service.

6. Finally, click on the "Continue" button to complete the payment.
Repeat these steps for each of the 6 email addresses. That's it! By
sending the $1.00 payment to each address, you are implementing the
compounding POWER of the system. You will reap what you sow!

Here is the current e-mail list:

*************************************************

The email list:

1) veemartinez@gmail.com
2) corina@bigpond.net.au
3) apriladelaide@yahoo.com
4) haneefgroup@yahoo.com
5) sword_maaster@yahoo.com
6) ltpersonaltraining@yahoo.com

************************************************

STEP 2:

Now take the #1 email off of the list that you see above (from your
saved file), move the other addresses up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4,
etc.) and add YOUR email address (the one used for your PayPal
account)
as number 6 on the list. This is the only part of the document that
should be changed. ** Make sure your email address is the one you
have
registered with PayPal **

STEP 3:

Post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups or message
boards.
Keep in mind that there are tens of thousands of groups online! All
you
need is 200, but remember the more you post the more money you make -
as well as everyone else on the list! I've began to see money roll in
before I even hit 100 posts, but try to hit around 200 to allow
maximum exposure. Use Netscape, Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari,
or
whatever your internet browser is to search for various news groups,
on-line forums, message boards, bulletin boards, chat sites,
discussions, discussion groups, on-line communities, etc. For
example,
log on to any search engine like yahoo.com or google.com and type in
a
subject like 'MILLIONAIRE MESSAGE BOARD', 'MONEY MAKING DISCUSSIONS',
'MONEY MAKING FORUMS', or 'BUSINESS MESSAGE BOARD', etc. You will
find
thousands and thousands of message boards. Click them one by one and
you will find the option to post a new message. Fill in the subject
which will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through
the
list of postings in a particular group, and post the article with the
NEW list of email addresses included. THAT'S IT!!! All you have to do
is jump to different newsgroups and post away. After you get the hang
of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup.

HOW THE MONEY WORKS:

When you post 200 messages in various forums, it is estimated that at
LEAST 15 people will respond and send you a $1.00 ($15.00). Those 15
will Post 200 Posts each and 225 people send you $1.00 ($225.00),
etc.
through 6 levels of email addresses. For comprehension purposes, here
is an easy viewing chart:

1) 15(1) = 15 people ($1) = $15
2) 15(15) = 225 people ($1) = $225
3) 15(225) = 3375 people ($1) = $3375
4) 15(3375) = 50625 people ($1) = $50625
5) 15(50625) = 759375 people ($1) = $759375

As you can see, your $6.00 has multiplied exponentially. What other
opportunity that is as simple as this can cash in the way this can?!
I'm not going to say this is going to make everyone over $800,000,
but
within a few WEEKS you begin to see results, thanks to the speed of
the
internet!

When your name is no longer on the list, take the latest posting in
the
newsgroups and begin the process again. Simply amazing...

One other tip to speed up the process even more:
You can send out your amended post (after you complete the process
and
add your PAYPAL email address to the list) to the contacts you
already
have in YOUR email address book! It is AMAZING how fast this works.
Be
cautious though with your emailing (don't spam hundreds of people you
don't know). Combine this idea with the steps above to MAXIMIZE your
profits. I can't stress enough how this system works wonders. There
is
something to be said when an idea is internationally publicized, just
make sure you take advantage of it (especially for only $6.00!)

Follow the system as described, and enjoy your PROFITS!!!

REMEMBER... HONESTY AND INTEGRITY = PROFITABILITY

YOUR NAME COULD CYCLE FOR A LONG TIME! THIS MAKES IT THE GIFT THAT
KEEPS ON GIVING.

This is excellent seed money to start or expand a business, buy your
dream home, car and pay off whatever bills you may have. Good luck!

HOW TO POST TO NEWS GROUPS?

Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various
newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.)
Log on any search

engine like yahoo.com, google.com, altavista.com, excite.com, etc.,
then search with the subject "millionaire message board; or; money
making message board;

or; employment message board; or making discussions; or ''money making
forum; or; business message board; etc. You will find thousands &
thousands of message

boards.

Click on them one by one and you will find
the option 'post a new message'. Then Post this article as a 'new
message' by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting copy
then paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the
header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings
in a particular group, click the post message button. You're done with
your first one!

It only takes about 60 seconds to complete postings on message boards
after you catch on.

REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
MAKE!!

GOOD LUCK!!!!

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TOPIC: Free Sponge Towels
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c92ede55d330233b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:18 pm
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"

Get a printable coupon for a free 2-roll pack of Sponge Towels,
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TOPIC: OT: The First Thing at Christmas, FMA Showed to Me
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7247c2fcfaba68a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:54 pm
From: Christopher Helms

On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> Notice something?

Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
was correct.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:38 pm
From: Steven

On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> > Notice something?
>
> Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> was correct.

WTF's an FMA

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:49 pm
From: Jamie

On Nov 8, 2:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> > > Notice something?
>
> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> > was correct.
>
> WTF's an FMA
GMIIK! (see below)

Jamie "got me if I know" Ghione

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TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61dd3b5c34b2d773?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:12 pm
From: "Chloe"

"Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
news:YhHYi.17334$W9.10920@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> * In 1990, David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University of North
>> Carolina, determined through a study that pregnant woman who used
>> electric blankets have children who have a 30% increased risk of cancer
>> as compared to children whose mothers didn't use electric blankets.
>>
>>
> I don't see what the * refers to. Savitz was a leader in such studies,
> but his own studies contradicted each other. In 1995 he said, "I hate to
> give up on epidemiology outright, but I think that it needs to evolve."
> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-5/forum.html

I don't know what a "30% increased risk" means, either. Apparently what it
*doesn't* mean is that there were actually 30% more cancers, or it would
just say so.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Chloe <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:
> "Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
> news:YhHYi.17334$W9.10920@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> * In 1990, David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University of
>>> North Carolina, determined through a study that pregnant woman who
>>> used electric blankets have children who have a 30% increased risk
>>> of cancer as compared to children whose mothers didn't use electric
>>> blankets.
>> I don't see what the * refers to. Savitz was a leader in such
>> studies, but his own studies contradicted each other. In 1995 he
>> said, "I hate to give up on epidemiology outright, but I think that
>> it needs to evolve."
>> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-5/forum.html
>
> I don't know what a "30% increased risk" means, either. Apparently
> what it *doesn't* mean is that there were actually 30% more cancers,
> or it would just say so.

Wrong, that is precisely what it means except that its talking about
getting cancer at all rather than getting more than one cancer.

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TOPIC: Free Leviathan Reloaded Fat Burner
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ee2007c0195c7b0b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:26 pm
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"

Free Leviathan Reloaded Fat Burner from Palo Alto Labs.
One sample per household. Multiple submissions will have
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TOPIC: Do all long-distance carriers now charge a monthly fee?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/52b51df4774f4c96?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:48 pm
From: Jim Prescott

In article <1194423404.240144.34700@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Doc <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Not a tremendous amount of money, but wondering if there's any LD
>carrier that doesn't charge anything if I don't make calls.

There are several. Here are some sites that let you compare rates:
http://www.saveonphone.com/

http://www.phonedog.com/long-distance

http://www.phoneratefinder.com/

Note that if you do much in-state long-distance you can get much better
prices with things line onesuite.com than with any 1+ carrier. If you
can program the access number into speedial on your phone this can be
almost as convenient as 1+ dialing.

If you have high-speed internet there is also skype.com which runs about
$30/yr.
--
Jim Prescott - Computing and Networking Group jgp@seas.rochester.edu
School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, University of Rochester, NY

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24 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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