Frugal Living: 24 new messages in 9 topics

Thursday, November 8, 2007

24 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61dd3b5c34b2d773?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 3:22 pm
From: Bill Rider

Chloe wrote:
> "Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
> news:YhHYi.17334$W9.10920@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>> * In 1990, David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University of North
>>> Carolina, determined through a study that pregnant woman who used
>>> electric blankets have children who have a 30% increased risk of cancer
>>> as compared to children whose mothers didn't use electric blankets.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't see what the * refers to. Savitz was a leader in such studies,
>> but his own studies contradicted each other. In 1995 he said, "I hate to
>> give up on epidemiology outright, but I think that it needs to evolve."
>> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-5/forum.html
>
> I don't know what a "30% increased risk" means, either. Apparently what it
> *doesn't* mean is that there were actually 30% more cancers, or it would
> just say so.
>
>
The above link shows how it works. Savitz studied 138,905 utility
workers, exposed to high levels of EMFs up on power poles. 151 died of
brain cancer. Savitz and Dana Loomis published a paper saying this
meant utility workers were 2.6 times more likely than the general
population to die of brain cancer.

Researcher Philip Cole said hold on, from a control group of 138,905
from general population, one would have expected more, 159, to die of
brain cancer. Savitz said utility workers are so much healthier than
the general population that he would have expected only 58 to die of
brain cancer.

Hmmm... it sounds as if exposure to high levels of EMFs protects a
person from most diseases, but there's not much reduction in brain
cancer. It's quite a jump to say it causes brain cancer.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Bill Rider <please@nospa.mnet> wrote:
> Chloe wrote:
>> "Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
>> news:YhHYi.17334$W9.10920@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>> * In 1990, David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University
>>>> of North Carolina, determined through a study that pregnant woman
>>>> who used electric blankets have children who have a 30% increased
>>>> risk of cancer as compared to children whose mothers didn't use
>>>> electric blankets.
>>> I don't see what the * refers to. Savitz was a leader in such
>>> studies, but his own studies contradicted each other. In 1995 he
>>> said, "I hate to give up on epidemiology outright, but I think that
>>> it needs to evolve."
>>> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-5/forum.html
>>
>> I don't know what a "30% increased risk" means, either. Apparently
>> what it *doesn't* mean is that there were actually 30% more cancers,
>> or it would just say so.
>>
>>
> The above link shows how it works. Savitz studied 138,905 utility
> workers, exposed to high levels of EMFs up on power poles. 151 died
> of brain cancer. Savitz and Dana Loomis published a paper saying this
> meant utility workers were 2.6 times more likely than the general
> population to die of brain cancer.
>
> Researcher Philip Cole said hold on, from a control group of 138,905
> from general population, one would have expected more, 159, to die of
> brain cancer. Savitz said utility workers are so much healthier than
> the general population that he would have expected only 58 to die of
> brain cancer.

> Hmmm... it sounds as if exposure to high levels of EMFs protects a person from most diseases,

Nope, that utility workers are nothing like average health wise
quite separately from their exposure to power line fields.

> but there's not much reduction in brain cancer. It's quite a jump to say it causes brain cancer.

Yep, not a shred of evidence that it does. And it would require a matched
group of individuals on health and sex etc to be say anything useful brain
cancer incidence wise, and it would be quite difficult to find a matched
group that werent exposed to other possibilitys like cellphones etc too.

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TOPIC: How to use FLIR infrared camera to reduce Winter home heating bills.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7a0ee7a8600425be?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 3:34 pm
From: Joe

Video via http://Muvy.org

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TOPIC: US-made pizza recalled due to E. coli; maybe China should boycott all
US-made pizzas
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9884cdeb97cd8332?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 3:58 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Damaeus <no-mail@hotmail.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should be able to use
>>> groups.google to find plenty of examples where I have said
>>> nothing of the kind, if someone was actually stupid enough to
>>> lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane, fuckwit child.
>
>> Okay, it's impossible to have a conversation with
>> someone who dances down both sides of the aisles...troll.
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag, fuckwit pathological liar.
>
>
Off your meds again,welfare boy? This flushing bot is sure to follow.

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TOPIC: Seven Deadly Sins of Holidays
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/94a8042cb98c2e86?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:06 pm
From: Jamie

Here's what I could come up with:

Gluttony: food at holiday time--enough said.

Greed: All the presents we want and buy--enough said.

Sloth: putting off buying presents or getting everyone a gift card.

Envy: seeing another person's present and wishing you had gotten it
yourself.

I couldn't come up with one for Lust, Anger or Pride--any suugestions?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 5:18 pm
From: "Daniel T."

Jamie <jannghi@ihollister.net> wrote:

> Here's what I could come up with:
>
> Gluttony: food at holiday time--enough said.
>
> Greed: All the presents we want and buy--enough said.
>
> Sloth: putting off buying presents or getting everyone a gift card.
>
> Envy: seeing another person's present and wishing you had gotten it
> yourself.
>
> I couldn't come up with one for Lust, Anger or Pride--any suugestions?

Lust, the mistletoe at the office party.
Anger, fighting for parking spaces at the mall.
Pride, is when you brag about how much you spent on present.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 5:56 pm
From: Jamie

Lust: the mistletoe at the office party.
-Does anyone have this at their office party? I've never had it at
any
of mine. I guess you could also say you lust after materail goods as
presents?

Anger: fighting for parking spaces at the mall.
-Wow, I didn't even think of that. One reason I'm trying to avoid
putting off shopping until December.

Pride: when you brag about how much you spent on present.
-Interesting choice. I guess I'm headed that way by trying to get
stuff at my work this weekend with the special 20% employee discount
our store is having this weekend. Unfortunately, I cant seem to find
something for everyone I need to shop for at my store.

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TOPIC: OT: The First Thing at Christmas, FMA Showed to Me
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7247c2fcfaba68a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:08 pm
From: Christopher Helms

On Nov 8, 4:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> > > Notice something?
>
> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> > was correct.
>
> WTF's an FMA

I have no idea. Maybe it's something that crept in from the world of
text messaging.

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 5:34 pm
From: "Buddy"

And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
Eggs.

--
Buddy
from Brooklyn

"Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we
accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory
identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost
a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest,
revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither
maintain nor deserve freedom for long."
- Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004
"Christopher Helms" <Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194566938.331426.297850@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 8, 4:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>>
>> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>>
>> > > Notice something?
>>
>> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
>> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
>> > was correct.
>>
>> WTF's an FMA
>
>
> I have no idea. Maybe it's something that crept in from the world of
> text messaging.
>
>

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 5:46 pm
From: Jamie

On Nov 8, 5:34 pm, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
> we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
> Eggs.

Don't forget the Valentines. I expect Home Good (where I work) to
start getting Valentine stuff in December once the Christmas item
shipments start dwindling. Our Halloween stuff came the last week of
June and Christmas stuff came not too long after and is still coming.
A few harvest items came and are still in the store. We got some
nutcrackers that seem more like something for St. Patrick's Day (they
wear green and are decorated with shamrocks) and that's not even until
March! It's only two weeks until Thanksgiving. Yet I'm planing to
get Christmas presents before this month is over to avoid the
stressful December rushes in stores. And with the special 20%
employee discount this weekend (our employee discount is normally 10%)
how can I resist trying to find a few presents? But I don't want to
get too greedy about this, and unfortunately there isn't something for
everyone I need to get stuff for at my store.

There are no sales at the store where I work, but merchandise gets
marked down after a few months. since there are no sales, we don't
expect to have a big crowd the day after Thanksgiving. it wasn't
that busy last year on that date. And we're across the street from
Wal-Mart, which no doubt was busy that day last year and again this
year.

Jamie "expecting it again" Ghione

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 6:41 pm
From: Steven

On Nov 8, 6:34 pm, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
> we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
> Eggs.
>
> --
> Buddy
> from Brooklyn
>
> "Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we
> accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory
> identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost
> a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest,
> revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither
> maintain nor deserve freedom for long."
> - Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004"Christopher Helms" <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194566938.331426.297850@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 4:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> >> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> >> > > Notice something?
>
> >> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> >> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> >> > was correct.
>
> >> WTF's an FMA
>
> > I have no idea. Maybe it's something that crept in from the world of
> > text messaging.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Buy tubed radios early or they won't be Christmas gifts but birthday
gifts instead!

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 6:43 pm
From: Steven

On Nov 8, 6:46 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 5:34 pm, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
> > we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
> > Eggs.
>
> Don't forget the Valentines. I expect Home Good (where I work) to
> start getting Valentine stuff in December once the Christmas item
> shipments start dwindling. Our Halloween stuff came the last week of
> June and Christmas stuff came not too long after and is still coming.
> A few harvest items came and are still in the store. We got some
> nutcrackers that seem more like something for St. Patrick's Day (they
> wear green and are decorated with shamrocks) and that's not even until
> March! It's only two weeks until Thanksgiving. Yet I'm planing to
> get Christmas presents before this month is over to avoid the
> stressful December rushes in stores. And with the special 20%
> employee discount this weekend (our employee discount is normally 10%)
> how can I resist trying to find a few presents? But I don't want to
> get too greedy about this, and unfortunately there isn't something for
> everyone I need to get stuff for at my store.
>
> There are no sales at the store where I work, but merchandise gets
> marked down after a few months. since there are no sales, we don't
> expect to have a big crowd the day after Thanksgiving. it wasn't
> that busy last year on that date. And we're across the street from
> Wal-Mart, which no doubt was busy that day last year and again this
> year.
>
> Jamie "expecting it again" Ghione

If you celebrate being free of the EX, no shopping needed.

Probably some decent alcohol the first day, but then it's low-rent.

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 7:02 pm
From: davefromhome

Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.

Dave

On Nov 8, 8:34 pm, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
> we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
> Eggs.
>
> --
> Buddy
> from Brooklyn
>
> "Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we
> accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory
> identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost
> a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest,
> revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither
> maintain nor deserve freedom for long."
> - Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004"Christopher Helms" <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194566938.331426.297850@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 4:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> >> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> >> > > Notice something?
>
> >> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> >> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> >> > was correct.
>
> >> WTF's an FMA
>
> > I have no idea. Maybe it's something that crept in from the world of
> > text messaging.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 7:37 pm
From: Jamie

On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.

What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind New
Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
it's too soon after Christmas.

Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:17 pm
From: Steven

On Nov 8, 8:37 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.
>
> What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
> you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind New
> Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
> it's too soon after Christmas.
>
> Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione

Certainly you can combine it with the MLK Human Rights Celebration?

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:21 pm
From: Steven

On Nov 8, 9:17 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 8:37 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.
>
> > What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
> > you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind New
> > Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
> > it's too soon after Christmas.
>
> > Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione
>
> Certainly you can combine it with the MLK Human Rights Celebration?

Did you place in the Halloween costume contest? If you do say no,
don't ever sweat it...there's always a devil costume with bare cheeks
and three breasts there to beat you (this is a true story).

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:22 pm
From: cathy

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:38:56 -0800, Steven
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>>
>> >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>>
>> > Notice something?
>>
>> Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
>> the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
>> was correct.
>
>WTF's an FMA
FMA=full metal alchemist. it's some anime thing.

URBANDICTIONARY.COM is your friend

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:25 pm
From: Steven

On Nov 8, 9:22 pm, cathy <cwell...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:38:56 -0800, Steven
>
> <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> >> > Notice something?
>
> >> Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> >> the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> >> was correct.
>
> >WTF's an FMA
>
> FMA=full metal alchemist. it's some anime thing.
>
> URBANDICTIONARY.COM is your friend

It had better be teh shit cuz Google won't hookup for the evening, see?

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:27 pm
From: Jamie

On Nov 8, 8:21 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 9:17 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 8:37 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.
>
> > > What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
> > > you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind New
> > > Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
> > > it's too soon after Christmas.
>
> > > Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione
>
> > Certainly you can combine it with the MLK Human Rights Celebration?
>
> Did you place in the Halloween costume contest? If you do say no,
> don't ever sweat it...there's always a devil costume with bare cheeks
> and three breasts there to beat you (this is a true story).
No, I never got to make that costume. I wasn't happy about it and was
ready to resort to nothing. But I did do something else. I was
afraid I would not ever want to do the seven deadly sisn aagain, but
decided to try again. Will get started early next year.

Jamie "will be working piece by piece next year" Ghione

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TOPIC: vacuum cleaner-comparison-best buy
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:21 pm
From: "augusto321@hotmail.com"

> I have a web subscription. Report dated 19 Oct 2007.
>
> "We rarely find an upright vacuum cleaner that's good at every task but
> performance of some models is so disappointing we'd recommend all Which?
> readers give them a miss."
>
> I don't want to post the whole report up, that'd be a bit of a copyright
> violation.
>
> Andy

Which are the best 3 cylinder choices? ;)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:07 pm
From: Owain

Steve wrote:
> Miele. Their cheap ones are almost as good as their very expensive ones...

Since when have Miele done cheap anything?

(I don't mean the TCO as calculated by Hall's Law)

Owain

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TOPIC: action against Argos on faulty goods
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:26 pm
From: rainandsnow

we are the robots wrote:
> johngood_____ wrote:
> <snip>
> Just take it back and say you've only had it 'bout a week and haven't
> got the receipt.
> Works every time!

But that is lying.

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TOPIC: CFL's
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 6:53 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <1194436449.314262.242140@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
jason.mangiafico@verizon.net wrote:

>quoting:
>> In article <slrnfiqg1l.8tm....@manx.misty.com>, Don Klipstein wrote:
>> > Sorry, mostLEDlights on the market now are less efficient than
>> >the vast majority of CFLs. Most whiteLEDlights also have an icy
>> >cool color. Many also flicker worse than most CFLs.
>> > - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>>
>> Just to clarify, I was talking about 120V screw-base lights.
>>
>> I am aware of a few higher endLEDflashlights and a coupleLEDwork
>> lights with LEDs that havefluorescent-like efficiency. None of these has
>> been around long. I am anLEDnut and I first got my hands on LEDs withfluorescent-like efficiency in April 2006. One of these has
>> warmer-than-usual-white-LEDcolor, but is still "cool white".
>
>
>I see many people believe advertising that LED are the most/more
>efficient. Usually it is downright wrong. What makes these believers
>even wronger is the fact the next advancement is actually going
>backwards. Incandescent. Something like silicon carbide filaments.
>The LED believers can keep on dreaming because good old incandescent
>is coming back to bite you.
>
>For an LED light to be big enough, bright enough, and efficient enough
>to compete with cfls and be used in general lighting, you need bigger
>and fewer led's per "bulb". Idealy one big led per bulb. If we can
>get a single led light, then it can certainly compete with cfls. The
>main problem is heat. Even though it can be efficient enough to
>compete with cfls, the LED chip is damaged at relatively low
>temperature. The LED needs it's own dedicated cooling system. Thus
>you will never see a screw-in led bulb that can replace a 60w bulb
>with equal brightness.

I bet we will; it's just going to take a nother year or two, and a few
more years before something like that is on the market and with good color
and god color rendering and at a price at which they are not at a major
economic disadvantage against CFLs.

> You would only get an entire led fixture with
>the driver and cooling system built-in. Screw-in led bulbs of the
>future just aren't happening. Only complete fixtures. But then we
>have things like silicon carbide bulbs that should easily render LED's
>to a niche market.

Can you supply a link to silicon carbide incandescents? Somehow I have
managed to not hear about those as any significant technology for general
lighting.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:25 pm
From: ari.macsworld@gmail.com

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Thank you for your kind attention and cooperation. Please do not
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