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TOPIC: It happened! My pipes froze, they burst today, and my entire bathroom
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 7:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

websurf1@cox.net wrote:
> On Jan 20, 8:33 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:14:12 -0700, Winston_Smith
>> <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:46:28 -0500, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> Your problem is that you have a gmail account.
>>
>>>> First, it is "plumber," not plummer. Plumb, from the latin "plumb"
>>>> for lead, which is what plumbers used to use.
>>
>>>> Secondly, the dripping faucet routine doesn't work. You have to
>>>> have a certain amount of heat in the water for it to work. Get
>>>> electric heat tape to place alongside your pipes, then get some
>>>> foam pipe insulation to cover the pipe and tape.
>>
>>>> Third, it ain't bursted. A pipe bursts. The past tense is also
>>>> burst.
>>
>>>> Yeah, I had some frozen pipes last freeze. I covered them with
>>>> mulch, after putting heat tape in the most vulnerable spots.
>>
>>> Thank you for flaming the wrong guy while we try to help someone
>>> that has a problem. It's people like you that makes humanity proud.
>>
>> Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you. The advice I
>> gave is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging and second
>> guessing. My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens
>> to irritate me when dumbasses can't spell it right. And gene does
>> have an email account, which in this group classifies him with the
>> spammers and shoe salesmen.
>
> What's "whinging". Misspelled "whining" perhaps, or "winging"?

Whinge-ing, stupid.
http://onelook.com/?w=Whinging

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 8:36 pm
From: Gene S. Berkowitz

In article <897df544-f67a-495a-ae4d-
c6b0491e5d9b@d21g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, websurf1@cox.net says...
> On Jan 20, 8:33 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:14:12 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:46:28 -0500, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > >>Your problem is that you have a gmail account.
> >
> > >>First, it is "plumber," not plummer. Plumb, from the latin "plumb" for
> > >>lead, which is what plumbers used to use.
> >
> > >>Secondly, the dripping faucet routine doesn't work. You have to have
> > >>a certain amount of heat in the water for it to work. Get electric
> > >>heat tape to place alongside your pipes, then get some foam pipe
> > >>insulation to cover the pipe and tape.
> >
> > >>Third, it ain't bursted. A pipe bursts. The past tense is also burst.
> >
> > >>Yeah, I had some frozen pipes last freeze. I covered them with mulch,
> > >>after putting heat tape in the most vulnerable spots.
> >
> > >Thank you for flaming the wrong guy while we try to help someone that
> > >has a problem. It's people like you that makes humanity proud.
> >
> > Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you. The advice I gave
> > is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging and second guessing.
> > My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens to irritate
> > me when dumbasses can't spell it right. And gene does have an email
> > account, which in this group classifies him with the spammers and shoe
> > salesmen.
>
> What's "whinging". Misspelled "whining" perhaps, or "winging"?

whinge
hwnj, wnj)
intr.v. whinged, whing·ing, whing·es Chiefly British
To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whinging

--Gene

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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 7:59 pm
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TOPIC: What is the average annual cost of owning a car if paying cash in lump
sum in the beginning?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 8:02 pm
From: "Dave L"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5vk7s8F1mt95mU1@mid.individual.net...
> Dave L <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <h> wrote in message news:4794b9d2$0$22568$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:24a36461-5f40-41f2-80cf-a7723d57f16a@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, when you buy a new car you just pay for all the
>>>> repairs up front. Vehicles are like people in that they age
>>>> differently. Some older cars are better than some newer ones will
>>>> turn out to be. If you seek to be frugal, a single formula like you
>>>> want doesn't work. As Tom and Ray say, "The man who seeks to spend
>>>> the least always ends up spending the most."
>>>
>>> I buy cars that are at least 8 years old and usually keep them for
>>> 8-10 more years. I paid $5,000 for my 1998 Subaru (in 2007) and it
>>> cost an additional $600 in repairs/maintanance at that time. I keep
>>> my cars very well maintained, and since I only drive 3,500-4,000
>>> miles a year, I expect to keep this one until 2017. I work at home
>>> and only need the car for errands and business shopping trips, so I
>>> would never consider buying a new car. It just wouldn't be frugal.
>
>> Very understandable. I've always had a used car until my current one,
>> which is an '05 bought new. Yes it is normally cheaper to buy used and
>> the cost in repairs are cheaper than car payments. But if it's an only
>> car and you do more miles, there's something to be said for reliability!
>
> And for minimal farting around. And it doesnt necessarily cost that
> much if you keep the new car for a couple of decades either.

Nope, not at all. I don't put an enormous amount of miles a year on my car,
but it's nowhere under 5k! From experience, there comes a time when
unpredictable maintenance costs start adding up.

>> Don't want to be stuck hundreds of miles away from
>> home, on a holiday weekend or in the middle of the night :-)
>
> And its just convenient not to have to fart around repairing stuff too.

Exactly. The inconvenience of having to get the part to fix it yourself or
have someone else fix it. Happens at the most inopportune time as well.

>> Especially for those who need to do the driving for their job
>> (fortunately I don't with the exception of driving to work!).
>
>> Of course, if bought new you'll know the maintenance you did to the
>> car without wondering how the previous owner took care of it. Then
>> again, 3,500-4,000 miles are low.
>
> Doesnt necessarily have that much effect on maintenance tho.

Nope. Mainly peace of mind.

-Dave

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 8:41 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Dave L <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Dave L <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> <h> wrote
>>>> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote

>>>>> In my opinion, when you buy a new car you just pay for all the repairs up front. Vehicles are like people in that
>>>>> they age
>>>>> differently. Some older cars are better than some newer ones will turn out to be. If you seek to be frugal, a
>>>>> single formula like
>>>>> you want doesn't work. As Tom and Ray say, "The man who seeks to spend the least always ends up spending the
>>>>> most."

>>>> I buy cars that are at least 8 years old and usually keep them for
>>>> 8-10 more years. I paid $5,000 for my 1998 Subaru (in 2007) and it cost an additional $600 in repairs/maintanance
>>>> at that time. I keep
>>>> my cars very well maintained, and since I only drive 3,500-4,000
>>>> miles a year, I expect to keep this one until 2017. I work at home
>>>> and only need the car for errands and business shopping trips, so I would never consider buying a new car. It just
>>>> wouldn't be frugal.

>>> Very understandable. I've always had a used car until my current one, which is an '05 bought new. Yes it is
>>> normally cheaper to buy used and the cost in repairs are cheaper than car payments. But if it's an only car and you
>>> do more miles, there's something to be said for reliability!

>> And for minimal farting around. And it doesnt necessarily cost that much if you keep the new car for a couple of
>> decades either.

> Nope, not at all. I don't put an enormous amount of miles a year on
> my car, but it's nowhere under 5k! From experience, there comes a
> time when unpredictable maintenance costs start adding up.

Depends entirely on how carefully you choose the car that doesnt get that result.

>>> Don't want to be stuck hundreds of miles away from
>>> home, on a holiday weekend or in the middle of the night :-)

>> And its just convenient not to have to fart around repairing stuff too.

> Exactly. The inconvenience of having to get the part to fix it yourself or have someone else fix it. Happens at the
> most inopportune time as well.

>>> Especially for those who need to do the driving for their job
>>> (fortunately I don't with the exception of driving to work!).

>>> Of course, if bought new you'll know the maintenance you did to the car without wondering how the previous owner
>>> took care of it. Then again, 3,500-4,000 miles are low.

>> Doesnt necessarily have that much effect on maintenance tho.

> Nope. Mainly peace of mind.

It isnt peace of mind either once you realise that maintenance isnt that important with
modern cars as long as you do the basics like change the timing belt when required etc.

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TOPIC: Los Angeles Movers
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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 8:31 pm
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TOPIC: Why we don't need Mexicans
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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 8:39 pm
From: Paul Knudsen

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:57:18 -0600, Snowbound
<loosebowels@ixnay.invalid> wrote:

>I think you are mistaking ancient Rome for the Pol Pot regime, Castro's
>Cuba or Stalin's USSR. Or perhaps you wish to compare ancient Rome with
>these regimes?

Well, the Romans weren't known for their tender hearts either. They
invented crucifixion, you know.

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Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 9:05 pm
From: Logan Shaw

clams_casino wrote:
> Logan Shaw wrote:

>> I'm not fond of the current US President. I voted for the other guy
>> both times. And I think that GW has done a lot damage, possibly
>> permanent damage, to the Bill of Rights.
>>
>> But let's not lose sight of the relevant facts. When Bush took
>> office, possibly the biggest stock market bubble in US history
>> was bursting. Stocks had been falling like a lead balloon for
>> quite some time before he was even elected.

> Huh? It started falling almost to the day he was elected (stock
> markets tend react to the 6-18 month future), in fear of this guy from
> the getgo.

Try checking your statement against the numbers.

According to wikipedia[1], the election was November 7, 2000, and on
December 12, the Supreme Court ruled that Bush had carried Florida.

Also according to Wikipedia[2], the Dow-Jones hit its peak value of
11723.00 on January 14, 2000, and the NASDAQ hit its peak value of
5048.62 on March 10, 2000. By definition, the peak is the point
where the value starts dropping. So the DJIA started dropping about
10 months before Bush was elected, and the NASDAQ started dropping
about 7 months before.

Also, when Bush took office, the DJIA was at 10,587.60 and the NASDAQ
was at 2770.38.

For your theory (that fear of Bush was the motivator for the drop in
the stock market) to hold water, the market would've had to factor a
9.7% drop into the DJIA and a stunning 45.1% drop into the NASDAQ,
just to account for Bush. According to your theory, not only was the
market extremely afraid of Bush, but it was particularly, and VERY
specifically, afraid that Bush would have a negative effect on tech
stocks (i.e. NASDAQ stocks), because the effect on NASDAQ stocks
was 5 times as bad as the effect on DJIA stocks.

Oh also, if you're not convinced yet that Bush wasn't the cause of
the stock market drop, think about this: between January 14, 2000
and March 10, 2000, the DJIA dropped a painful 15.31%. The 2000
Republican National Convention lasted from July 31, 2000 to
August 3, 2000[3]. Therefore, the stock market had already had
one really dramatic drop almost 5 months before George W. Bush
had even been *nominated*.

Once again, I'm not saying the George W. Bush has been a good
president. I don't think he has. I just think blaming the
"dot com bust" on him requires being completely out of touch
with the facts. Sure, the stock market factors the future in
to some extent, but it's not a magic oracle that can predict
who's going to win an election months in advance even before
the parties' conventions take place.

- Logan

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_2000
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_market_downturn_of_2002
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Republican_National_Convention

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