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* Boo-hoo for bloodsucking retailers - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* www.mover4u.com moving company guide - 1 messages, 1 author
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* RodSpeed, Australia is calling - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Soldering eyeglass Frames - 17 messages, 5 authors
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* Caution: Cheap Candles are Dangerous, Carcinogenic - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* It happened! My pipes froze, they burst today, and my entire bathroom was
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TOPIC: Boo-hoo for bloodsucking retailers
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 1:51 pm
From: Snowbound
In article <13pcii34pf9m1e5@news.supernews.com>,
Spinner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:40:10 -0600, Snowbound wrote:
>
> > In article <479578c1$0$10992$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> > Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So the DJIA started dropping about 10 months before Bush was elected
> >
> > Likely in anticipation of his faux victory. That is certainly how it
> > seemed at the time to this investor. The ambient filthy political circus
> > surrounding the campaigns-- mostly generated by the Republican party and
> > its seemingly endless supply of inbred grunts-- and the "election"
> > itself gave rise to a deep-seated pessimism among shrewd investors.
>
> I don't have time to look into this but I'll throw it out there for
> your consideration: Could it be that the DJIA drop towards the end of
> Clinton's term was the result of Republican interference in his
> presidency via their abuse of the impeachment process?
I'm not enough of a conspiracy theorist to give too much weight to the
idea, but given the genuinely impressive lockstep planning and
implementation that went into the neo-conservative coup, I certainly
would not be surprised to find out that market manipulation was indeed
on their agenda from the start.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:59 pm
From: Bert Hyman
In news:x_slj.5796$HL1.2419@newsfe21.lga clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>
>>PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com (clams_casino) wrote in
>>news:Rhslj.25638$3b7.8092@newsfe23.lga:
>>
>>
>>
>>>It's generally accepted that the stock market tends to reflect 6-18
>>>months ahead, not what's already happened.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>That must explain the wild gyrations the markets go through whenever
>>economic reports summarizing data from the previous month or previous
>>quarter are released.
>>
>>
>>
> Are you suggesting you invest on what's already happened?
Are you suggesting that I revealed anything about my own investments in
that statement?
I was simply pointing out that your assertion is wrong.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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TOPIC: www.mover4u.com moving company guide
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 1:58 pm
From: love
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moving company will also deliver your stored goods. You should provide
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building. For these reasons, public storage is ideal for businesses
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space; self storage is the safest and most cost effective option. You
may store anything ranging from equipment to office furniture in
storage. Remember to provide your moving company with a detailed list
of items you will need stored when requesting an estimate so that it
is accurate.
If you will be storing important work-related items, investigate
further to learn if the company has a record storage retention policy
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keep these records. The records you attempt to store may be out of
date or no longer needed.
When the time arrives to make the decision--what items you will store--
ask yourself the following questions:
How valuable are the items I will be storing?
Do I really need the items I am putting in storage?
Is there anything I can dispose of?
Do any of my goods need to be repaired?
After answering the questions above, decide what you will be doing
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Donate your items to a charity organization such as St. Vincent de
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Offer additional clothing or furniture to family members or neighbors
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 2:40 pm
From: KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop
That exchange traded fund EWA is down today. What a day in the market!
I will buy a little oF EWA soon. The dividend yield on it is getting
attractive versus a government bond that will get eaten by inflation.
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:02 pm
From: Richard J Kinch
JoeSpareBedroom writes:
> Please share your prescription with us.
R -2.50-0.50x174
L -3.00-1.25x175
PD=71
temple=140mm-
57/16 or 52/16
== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:10 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DB7925EFA4someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> JoeSpareBedroom writes:
>
>> Please share your prescription with us.
>
> R -2.50-0.50x174
> L -3.00-1.25x175
>
> PD=71
>
> temple=140mm-
> 57/16 or 52/16
Looks like an easier prescription to fill than mine. I actually walked into
3 eyeglass places where they could measure everything themselves. All 3 of
them screwed it up BIG time. This offshore thing is obviously not for
everybody.
== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:14 pm
From: Richard J Kinch
William Sommerwerck writes:
> Can you imagine how many millions of pre-ground
> "stock" lenses would be needed to every possible combination of lens
> size & shape, PD, prescription, etc?
You don't understand. It takes a small number of stock lenses to cover
almost all the population for single-vision lenses. All you need are small
set of increments of spherical powers crossed with a few astigmatic
cylinder increments. These are stocked as big circular blanks.
Size and shape to fit the frame, PD centering, astigmatism angle, etc., are
all fitted with a jig that cuts the big round blank to a final shape,
center, and cylinder angle. The "optician" doesn't grind the optical
surfaces.
Now, bifocal adds, progressives, extreme Rx powers, are another matter.
But even those tend to be jobbed out to factories, not done by local
craftsmen any more. And those factories are increasingly found overseas in
an age of air transport.
== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:20 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DB9930D64Fsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> William Sommerwerck writes:
>
>> Can you imagine how many millions of pre-ground
>> "stock" lenses would be needed to every possible combination of lens
>> size & shape, PD, prescription, etc?
>
> You don't understand. It takes a small number of stock lenses to cover
> almost all the population for single-vision lenses. All you need are small
> set of increments of spherical powers crossed with a few astigmatic
> cylinder increments. These are stocked as big circular blanks.
>
> Size and shape to fit the frame, PD centering, astigmatism angle, etc.,
> are
> all fitted with a jig that cuts the big round blank to a final shape,
> center, and cylinder angle. The "optician" doesn't grind the optical
> surfaces.
>
> Now, bifocal adds, progressives, extreme Rx powers, are another matter.
> But even those tend to be jobbed out to factories, not done by local
> craftsmen any more. And those factories are increasingly found overseas
> in
> an age of air transport.
Twice in 25 years, my optician has gotten lenses back from the "lab",
installed them in the frames I already owned, put them on me, and said
"These are not quite right." He was correct. They were weird. He gave me
the option of putting the old ones back in and coming back when the
replacements were done, or living with the "rejects".
It's worth a few hundred bucks to some people to know that what they're
getting is perfect the first time.
== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:24 pm
From: Richard J Kinch
JoeSpareBedroom writes:
> This offshore thing is obviously not for everybody.
I agree. Dull minds have to pay more for the same results. You cannot
shop price when you don't understand what you're buying. Guild-mentality
opticians have an incentive to keep us ignorant. Intelligent, critical
thinkers, with the Web at hand, can bust that racket.
== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:31 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DBB4812BD1someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> JoeSpareBedroom writes:
>
>> This offshore thing is obviously not for everybody.
>
> I agree. Dull minds have to pay more for the same results. You cannot
> shop price when you don't understand what you're buying. Guild-mentality
> opticians have an incentive to keep us ignorant. Intelligent, critical
> thinkers, with the Web at hand, can bust that racket.
How is an offshore supplier supposed to measure the distance between pupils,
and determine frame size?
== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:32 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"
>> Please share your prescription with us.
> R -2.50 -0.50x174
> L -3.00 -1.25x175
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyeglass_prescription
Both eyes are nearsighted. The first requires a cylindrical (astigmatic)
correction of -0.5 diopters at an angle of 174 degrees.
Note that the angles are in one-degree increments. Is the store supposed to
stock 180 different versions of a lens with -2.5 diopters refraction and -.5
diopters cylindrical? You'd need at least 10,000 different lenses to cover
the common combinations. Even if the cylindrical were limited to 5-degree
increments, you'd still need a huge number of lenses.
No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe it.
== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:33 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"
Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DB9930D64Fsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> William Sommerwerck writes:
>> Can you imagine how many millions of pre-ground
>> "stock" lenses would be needed to every possible combination of lens
>> size & shape, PD, prescription, etc?
> You don't understand. It takes a small number of stock lenses to cover
> almost all the population for single-vision lenses. All you need are small
> set of increments of spherical powers crossed with a few astigmatic
> cylinder increments. These are stocked as big circular blanks.
If this is true, how could you expect a reasonably close fit?
== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:36 pm
From: Richard J Kinch
JoeSpareBedroom writes:
> It's worth a few hundred bucks to some people to know that what they're
> getting is perfect the first time.
So take your imports to the optometrist who wrote the Rx. That's his job,
to check that sort of thing. And you can check them yourself, if you know
how.
== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:41 pm
From: Richard J Kinch
JoeSpareBedroom writes:
> How is an offshore supplier supposed to measure the distance between
> pupils, and determine frame size?
He doesn't. You do.
It takes a very costly, specialized instrument called a "ruler". Opticians
use a disguised version to make you think you need them to make this
measurement, when in fact it is no more complicated than a tailor measuring
you for pants.
== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:43 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DBD4E66F78someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> JoeSpareBedroom writes:
>
>> It's worth a few hundred bucks to some people to know that what they're
>> getting is perfect the first time.
>
> So take your imports to the optometrist who wrote the Rx. That's his job,
> to check that sort of thing. And you can check them yourself, if you know
> how.
What sort of work do you do? In other words, what do you do for a living?
== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:43 pm
From: Richard J Kinch
William Sommerwerck writes:
> Note that the angles are in one-degree increments. Is the store
> supposed to stock 180 different versions of a lens with -2.5 diopters
> refraction and -.5 diopters cylindrical?
Read my earlier reply. One lens blank covers all cylinder angles for a
given spherical power and cylinder power. The angle is determined by the
trimming of the blank.
== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:46 pm
From: Richard J Kinch
JoeSpareBedroom writes:
> What sort of work do you do? In other words, what do you do for a
> living?
Various engineering things, including optical engineering.
== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:48 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>> Please share your prescription with us.
>
>> R -2.50 -0.50x174
>> L -3.00 -1.25x175
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyeglass_prescription
>
> Both eyes are nearsighted. The first requires a cylindrical (astigmatic)
> correction of -0.5 diopters at an angle of 174 degrees.
>
> Note that the angles are in one-degree increments. Is the store supposed to
> stock 180 different versions of a lens with -2.5 diopters refraction and -.5
> diopters cylindrical? You'd need at least 10,000 different lenses to cover
> the common combinations. Even if the cylindrical were limited to 5-degree
> increments, you'd still need a huge number of lenses.
>
> No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe it.
The blanks are circles. They spin the blank around to 174 degrees
and cut it with a machine to fit the size and shape of the frame.
Anthony
== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:48 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DBEF5A8F08someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> JoeSpareBedroom writes:
>
>> What sort of work do you do? In other words, what do you do for a
>> living?
>
> Various engineering things, including optical engineering.
Do you work for free in all your "things", or do you get paid for some of
them?
== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:48 pm
From: clewis@nortelnetworks.com (Chris Lewis)
According to Richard J Kinch <kinch@truetex.com>:
> John Smith writes:
>
> > I was truly unaware such existed. Where are these people located?
>
> Hong Kong.
Ya sure? ;-)
Their web site quotes:
Zenni Optical
27 Sunny Oaks Dr.
San Rafael, Ca.94903
Phone 1-800-211-2105
Fax 1-415-491-4516
And their domain registration is "domains by proxy" with no contact
info, which is usually a very bad sign.
But not always.
They seem to at least have some US presence, which is a very
good sign.
[I buy rechargeable batteries from a company which has dozens of
different "customized to different demographic" web sites, based
in HK, but ships from CA. No problems with them.]
> > Have you done satisfactory business with them?
>
> Yep.
>
> > The product is good?
>
> Yep.
--
Chris Lewis,
Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 4:06 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"
"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DBE8C055BCsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> William Sommerwerck writes:
>> Note that the angles are in one-degree increments. Is the store
>> supposed to stock 180 different versions of a lens with -2.5 diopters
>> refraction and -.5 diopters cylindrical?
> Read my earlier reply. One lens blank covers all cylinder angles for a
> given spherical power and cylinder power. The angle is determined by the
> trimming of the blank.
Duh. Duh, duh, duh. Of course.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:10 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
Dave wrote:
> But -- it really hit home last night how dangerous some candles are,
> and what a health hazard they can be.
I hate to say this but all candles are health hazards.
It's funny how people are making such a big deal about
secondhand smoke from tobacco but no one is admitting
that candle and incense smoke is just as bad.
Just say NO to inhaling smoke.
Anthony
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 4:22 pm
From: Ron Peterson
On Jan 22, 5:10 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > But -- it really hit home last night how dangerous some candles are,
> > and what a health hazard they can be.
> I hate to say this but all candles are health hazards.
And, they are fire hazards.
You can now buy LED battery operated candles that are safe and non-
polluting.
See http://www.flamelesscandles.net/
--
Ron
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:51 pm
From: Dennis
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:52:27 -0800 (PST), websurf1@cox.net wrote:
>What's "whinging". Misspelled "whining" perhaps, or "winging"?
It's whining with a British accent. ;-)
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 4:19 pm
From:
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"Dennis" <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:52:27 -0800 (PST), websurf1@cox.net wrote:
>
>>What's "whinging". Misspelled "whining" perhaps, or "winging"?
>
> It's whining with a British accent. ;-)
>
> Dennis (evil)
> --
> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
whinge (hwnj, wnj)
intr.v. whinged, whing·ing, whing·es Chiefly British
To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.
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[Dialectal alteration of Middle English whinsen, from Old English hwinsian.]
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whinger n.
whinging·ly adv.
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