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TOPIC: Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 6:55 pm
From: mm

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:47:18 -0700 (PDT), "hallerb@aol.com"
<hallerb@aol.com> wrote:

>
>you can install a tempering valve, it mixes cold with hot at or near
>the tank effectively preventing scalds, and if you tap the dishwasher
>line before the valve it can be as hot as you want.
>
>note the hotter the tank the shorter the life, thermal stress is
>tougher at higher temperatures

Which part fails in that case, when the water is too hot?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 9:49 pm
From: Donna Ohl

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:40:03 -0400, mm wrote:

> If the water isn't hot enough, and one accidentally halfway fills a
> tub with mixed water that isn't hot enough, the hot water isn't hot
> enough to make the tub warm enough.

Oh. Good point. The way I have it set right now, the water is 120 degrees
(at the set point anyway) which is just right at the shower or tub. I'm
assuming (I didn't measure it) it's just above 100 degrees at the shower
since I know 104 degrees is too hot in a hot tub or me but anything below
104 degrees is just right.

Is it normal to lose about 20 degrees in moving from the hot water heater
to the shower?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 11:12 pm
From: "James Sweet"

"Donna Ohl" <donna.ohl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:ORHDj.18830$xq2.8664@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:40:03 -0400, mm wrote:
>
>> If the water isn't hot enough, and one accidentally halfway fills a
>> tub with mixed water that isn't hot enough, the hot water isn't hot
>> enough to make the tub warm enough.
>
> Oh. Good point. The way I have it set right now, the water is 120 degrees
> (at the set point anyway) which is just right at the shower or tub. I'm
> assuming (I didn't measure it) it's just above 100 degrees at the shower
> since I know 104 degrees is too hot in a hot tub or me but anything below
> 104 degrees is just right.
>
> Is it normal to lose about 20 degrees in moving from the hot water heater
> to the shower?

It's not uncommon, but I would not consider it "normal" either. Galvanized
pipes have a lot of thermal mass and will take a while to heat up, until
then they're cooling the water. Chances are they are also not insulated.

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TOPIC: Antihistamine nasal spray over the counter?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 7:07 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <03btt31g4brmh2aqgbjkljfvpd6bf97t17@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> Have and advice on one?
>
> I have a cold or something and my nose is running like
> a water faucet. Normally when that happens it drips
> down back of my throats and cause chest infection
>
> Instead of a histamine pill..... was wondering if any
> kind of over counter nose spray is available as it
> wouldn't be "systemic".

Talk with a doctor or your pharmacist.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 9:34 pm
From: Logan Shaw

me@privacy.net wrote:
> Have and advice on one?
>
> I have a cold or something and my nose is running like
> a water faucet. Normally when that happens it drips
> down back of my throats and cause chest infection
>
> Instead of a histamine pill..... was wondering if any
> kind of over counter nose spray is available as it
> wouldn't be "systemic".

I would just buy Claritin, or its generic equivalent Loratadine.
It's non-drowsy, it's cheap, and it works. Yes, it medicates
your whole system, but I don't know of any significant ill
effects from that.

Though OTC antihistamine nasal sprays could exist, I've never
heard of one. I have used Nasalcrom, but (a) it takes days to
take full effect, and (b) it's not an antihistamine. Actually,
I find that when I have really bad allergies, I tend to sneeze
so much that I doubt that any nasal spray is really able to stay
put for long enough to do anything.

An allergist can hook you up with a steroid nasal spray like
Nasonex or Flonase. These cost more and can also take a while
to have their full effect, but they are supposed to work better
than antihistamines, and I think based on experience that's
probably true.

If you have persistent allergies, I would recommend getting
allergy shots. They've made a huge difference for me. Now that
I've gotten past the initial stage, I mainly have to just get
about one shot a month, at a cost of maybe $15, plus once or
maybe twice a year, I have to pay $200 to get another batch (of
the stuff they inject) mixed up. All in all, considering it
eliminates weeks and weeks of suffering, I think this is a
*great* bargain. Missing a week or two of work due secondary
infections caused by out-of-control allergies is hardly frugal
compared to just paying perhaps $500/year and virtually skipping
the entire ordeal.

- Logan

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 9:42 pm
From: Ron Peterson

On Mar 17, 12:37 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Have and advice on one?

> I have a cold or something and my nose is running like
> a water faucet. Normally when that happens it drips
> down back of my throats and cause chest infection

> Instead of a histamine pill..... was wondering if any
> kind of over counter nose spray is available as it
> wouldn't be "systemic".

There are some capsaicin based nasal sprays on the market. My SO finds
it useful, but she hasn't had any colds since she started using it so
I don't know how effective it is against a cold.

--
Ron

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TOPIC: frugal music/video from pc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 7:23 pm
From: Gordon

mwmiller314@gmail.com wrote in news:72248813-dfa3-4802-a654-7afcff5f7d7a@
59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> What is a frugal source of music like mp3s or otherwise online or
> otherwise from a pc?
>
> Any help appreciated,
> Matt

usenet.

Several things you can do to build up a music collection.
1) CD's. You can buy CD's cheap from 2nd hand shops and
pawn shops. Then use a program like CDEX or EAC to rip the
tracks to mp3. Perfectly legal if you retain the original
CDs.

2)Register a bunch of e-mail addresses. Then join an on-line
music source. You can get lots of free music just for signing up.
Be sure to read the TOS. Sign up for the same service under
different usernames and use different e-mail addresses.

3) usenet. Google it.

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TOPIC: Dishwasher screwed in from the TOP and then tiled over (how to secure
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 8:15 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Oren wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:57:45 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> And, related to the existing screws in the photo, just snip them off
>>> with diagonal cutters.
>> You can really cut through screws with wire cutters?? Or what do you
>> mean by diagonal cutters, that can cut though screws?
>
> Hey! http://www.matcotools.com/ProductImages/spdc3.jpg
>
> Not the best for cutting /breaking a screw, but I've gotten by :)
>
> My read on the OP was the screws were from the top and then tiled
> over... cutting the screw is less damage.

My recommendation is a dremel with a fiberglass cutoff wheel.
http://www.dremel.com

Anthony

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 9:45 pm
From: Donna Ohl

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:20:43 -0800, Oren wrote:

> My read on the OP was the screws were from the top and then tiled
> over... cutting the screw is less damage.

Attempting to cut the screws ruined my wire cutters!
Did I use the wrong type?

I tried returning this broken wire cutter to Sears but they didn't have the
EXACT same number ... what good is that supposed "lifetime" warranty!

Anyway, the screws don't seem to do anything now that the plastic in the
top of the dishwasher is broken where they did go in.

Apparently what happened before we bought the house is that the remodelers
screwed the dishwasher in from the top of the then-wood counter before
tiling over the countertop, sealing the top of the screws.

When I lowered the legs of the dishwasher to get it out of its cubbyhole,
the dead weight downward ripped the screws out of the plastic in the top of
the dishwasher leaving ragged holes but no other damage.

So, at this point, the screws don't do anything. I will try to find the
bracket and put that in to hold the dishwasher. That seems like the best
approach recommended.

Donna

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 10:40 pm
From: BobK207

On Mar 17, 9:45 pm, Donna Ohl <donna....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:20:43 -0800, Oren wrote:
> > My read on the OP was the screws were from the top and then tiled
> > over... cutting the screw is less damage.
>
> Attempting to cut the screws ruined my wire cutters!
> Did I use the wrong type?
>
> I tried returning this broken wire cutter to Sears but they didn't have the
> EXACT same number ... what good is that supposed "lifetime" warranty!
>
> Anyway, the screws don't seem to do anything now that the plastic in the
> top of the dishwasher is broken where they did go in.
>
> Apparently what happened before we bought the house is that the remodelers
> screwed the dishwasher in from the top of the then-wood counter before
> tiling over the countertop, sealing the top of the screws.
>
> When I lowered the legs of the dishwasher to get it out of its cubbyhole,
> the dead weight downward ripped the screws out of the plastic in the top of
> the dishwasher leaving ragged holes but no other damage.
>
> So, at this point, the screws don't do anything. I will try to find the
> bracket and put that in to hold the dishwasher. That seems like the best
> approach recommended.
>
> Donna

Donna-

Consider a couple of small dollops of chalk...ones that can be easily
razor knifed through when it comes time to replace the dishwasher.

Maybe there's room for a bracket on the side near the top.

I looked at your photo stream...time to start saving for a re-pipe.
That galvanized pipe must be around 50 years old.

Do those earthquake straps mean you're in e/q country (CA? Bay Area?)

I would suggest a PEX re-pipe.

cheers
Bob

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 8:22 pm
From: The Real Bev

Bill Bowden wrote:

> Actually, lower income Americans don't pay any taxes, the upper
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 9:26 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <MzGDj.69$XB6.14@newsfe06.lga>, The Real Bev wrote:
>Bill Bowden wrote:
>
>> Actually, lower income Americans don't pay any taxes, the upper
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>> $30K pay little or no tax. And if they have a family, they may
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>
>BUT they still have to pay Social Security, and if they're self-employed
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Along with state income taxes, and local income taxes in most of many
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TOPIC: The Easter Bunny Hates You
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 9:18 pm
From: Mother Nature

John in Mass wrote:
> "=DR. TTR0UT=" <trout51@tx.1TR.com> wrote in message
> news:47dbf5bf$0$6496$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
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>> =SEN0UR TR0UT=
>>
>>
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>>>
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>
> John
>
>

But what do you do with Leprechauns?

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