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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 6:07 am
From: "Bill"

Saw Bush on TV the last few nights and he is not smirking anymore!

Is it that he and his greedy buddies are having a bit of financial trouble
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I think some of them are in the "have less" category now...

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 8:11 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:f7cdcca3-e2f9-4cf5-88e6-f625cf24f6b0@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 16, 4:02 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a
>> waiting
>> list . Died
>> before he could get treatment.
>
> You fail to tell how long he was ON that waiting list.

i don't have that info. that's some of the stuff i'd like any canadian
readers to post. just how long do you have to wait for this kind of stuff.
>
>
>> 10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she
>> is
>> a smoker they
>> will not do it.
>
> Why? There had to more of a reason than just a flat out arbitrary
> denial.

evidently it's because she's a smoker. not so sure i blame them for this
one, tho.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 8:13 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrnftuh49.an9.don@manx.misty.com...
> In article <MzGDj.69$XB6.14@newsfe06.lga>, The Real Bev wrote:
>>Bill Bowden wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, lower income Americans don't pay any taxes, the upper
>>> incomes pay most of the tax. People in the lower incomes of less than
>>> $30K pay little or no tax. And if they have a family, they may
>>> actually get a refund greater than the tax paid due to the earned
>>> income credit. Most people pay little or nothing in federal income
>>> tax.
>>
>>BUT they still have to pay Social Security, and if they're self-employed
>>(handymen, for instance) they have to pay the employer's share too.
>
> Along with state income taxes, and local income taxes in most of many
> population center metropolitan areas, and property taxes (which are part
> of rent payments paid by tenants). Further along with state sales taxes,
> and furthermore in some big cities municipal sales taxes! Add to that
> telephone taxes and after that taxes on other utility services -
> especially electricity!

i read somewhere that in the usa, our actual tax rate is closer to 80/85%
when all these
little taxes are figured in. i'm thinking it's the top tier tax rate.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 10:14 am
From: clams_casino

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>news:slrnftuh49.an9.don@manx.misty.com...
>
>
>>In article <MzGDj.69$XB6.14@newsfe06.lga>, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bill Bowden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Actually, lower income Americans don't pay any taxes, the upper
>>>>incomes pay most of the tax. People in the lower incomes of less than
>>>>$30K pay little or no tax. And if they have a family, they may
>>>>actually get a refund greater than the tax paid due to the earned
>>>>income credit. Most people pay little or nothing in federal income
>>>>tax.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>BUT they still have to pay Social Security, and if they're self-employed
>>>(handymen, for instance) they have to pay the employer's share too.
>>>
>>>
>> Along with state income taxes, and local income taxes in most of many
>>population center metropolitan areas, and property taxes (which are part
>>of rent payments paid by tenants). Further along with state sales taxes,
>>and furthermore in some big cities municipal sales taxes! Add to that
>>telephone taxes and after that taxes on other utility services -
>>especially electricity!
>>
>>
>
>i read somewhere that in the usa, our actual tax rate is closer to 80/85%
>when all these
>little taxes are figured in. i'm thinking it's the top tier tax rate.
>
>
>
>
Actually it's closer to 30% where most everyone pays between 28-32%.
Contrary to what you might believe (or are often times lead to believe),
the wealthy tend to be on the lower end of that range. Granted, the
wealthy typically pay more in income taxes, but the lower income groups
tends to pay a high percentage of their income in FICA, sales taxes,
excise taxes etc.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 10:16 am
From: clams_casino

Bill Bowden wrote:

>
>
>Actually, lower income Americans don't pay any taxes
>

Hmm - how does one get to avoid FICA, sales, excise & property taxes?

Neat trick. Care to share?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 10:55 am
From: James

On Mar 16, 9:56 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don Klipstein <d...@manx.misty.com> wrote
>
> > AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote
> >> the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes.
> > Is this a marginal tax rate, like the way USA's tax brackets work?
>
> Yep.
>
> > Or is every single dollar in your gross pay taxed at that rate?
>
> Nope, no modern first world country does it that way.
>
> > I have friends in Toronto, and I hear that they
> > take home a little over half their gross pay.
>
> Bet it aint.
>
> > Most working Americans take home a much higher percentage of
> > nominal gross pay, but usually either employer or employee or both
> > pay a huge amount for health insurance - and covering a family now
> > usually costs over $10,000 a year, and there are usually deductibles
> > and copays that the covereds pay in addition.
>
> And pay a hell of a lot of property tax separately too.
>
>
>
> > When the employer pays towards this, it is counted separately from
> > the nominal gross pay. American employers also pay about 7.6% of
> > gross pay for employer share of SS tax, and this is an amount not
> > deducted from "gross pay" but a payroll expense in addition to "gross pay".
> > Let alone property taxes and all the BS taxes Americans
> > pay so that politicians can say they kept income taxes down.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You'd win the bet Rod.....I bet you argue with me even when we agree.

This is the federal tax rate in Canada:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/faq/taxrates-e.html
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22% on the next $37,884 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable
income between $37,885 and $75,769), +
26% on the next $47,415 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable
income between $75,769 and $123,184), +
29% of taxable income over $123,184.

This is the provincial tax rate in Ontario, the province with the
highest population:
6.05% on the first $36,020 of taxable income, +
9.15% on the next $36,021, +
11.16% on the amount over $72,041

There is a Goods and Services tax on retail items and many services of
5 % (down from 7%). There are provincial sales taxes as well.

Property taxes are variable. Toronto's property taxes are much much
lower than any major US city.

The Ontario health care tax ranges from 0 for those with incomes under
$20,000 to $900 for those whose income exceeds $200,000.

In 2005, per-capita spending for health care in the U.S. was US
$6,401; in Canada, US$3,326 http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/33/38979719.pdf
Much of the difference is the cost of health care administration in
the US.

When my wife had an accident, she had a CT scan and an MRI within
hours of being admitted. I waited 7 hours for a broken ankle. It would
have been a lot less if those with the sniffles weren't clogging the
line.

Personally health care in Canada is ok, but not always great. Many of
the stories of waiting lists are legends. You can shop doctors and
hospitals to get shorter lists. Many Canadians struggle to find a GP,
but same can be said for the US.

James

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TOPIC: Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 9:57 am
From: mm

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:49:55 -0700 (PDT), "hallerb@aol.com"
<hallerb@aol.com> wrote:

>On Mar 17, 8:55?pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:47:18 -0700 (PDT), "hall...@aol.com"
>>
>> <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >you can install a tempering valve, it mixes cold with hot at or near
>> >the tank effectively preventing scalds, and if you tap the dishwasher
>> >line before the valve it can be as hot as you want.
>>
>> >note the hotter the tank the shorter the life, thermal stress is
>> >tougher at higher temperatures
>>
>> Which part fails in that case, when the water is too hot?
>
>the tank leaks sooner, hotter is tougher with expansion and
>contraction.

Thahks

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Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 10:10 am
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 10:15 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Mar 18, 6:22 am, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Mar 14, 3:49 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Mar 13, 5:29 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> >>>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> >>>>> "Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:13tiut9hvqdf964@corp.supernews.com...
> >>>>>> No matter how much insulation you pour into an attic if you have
> >>>>>> uninsulated walls or a floor your heat is leaving that way. I've spent
> >>>>>> about $250 insulating the walls with cocoon and I think it is one of the
> >>>>>> best things I've ever done. You smaller home should be much less.
> >>>>> what's cocoon and how is it installed?
> >>>>http://www.cocooninsulation.com/
> >>>> It's recycled paper treated with borax to make it fire retardant and
> >>>> insect proof. Borax is used in eye wash so the insulation is much more
> >>>> enviro friendly than the other options. It's also the cheapest by a good
> >>>> margin.
> >>>> It's sold compressed in bags. Each $8 bag will dense pack 32 SF of
> >>>> wall to R13. Because it's dense, it will also stop air infiltration
> >>>> leaks. So, if you have an old house, pre 1980, there's a good chance
> >>>> that you have uninsulated R3 walls and this will cut heat losses there
> >>>> by a factor of 5. It really makes a formerly unheatable room stay warm
> >>>> even when you turn the heat off.
> >>>> You install this by drilling 1" holes above and below the firebreaks
> >>>> in every 16" wall section (that's usually two holes per section). Cocoon
> >>>> has nice directions on doing this. If you have sheetrock, it's dead easy
> >>>> to drill through. If you have plaster/lath it'll be easier to cut the
> >>>> holes outside as plaster will eat your hole saw teeth off. It's a lot of
> >>>> holes! You plug em with a can of spray insulation and spackle over that.
> >>> My walls are concrete block. The sheetrock is attached to thin
> >>> furring
> >>> strips and skim-coated with plaster. (The outside is faced with
> >>> granite.)
> >>> No place to put insulation without a LOT of trouble.
> >> Well, I certainly hope you live in a temperate climate!
>
> > Not particularly. Not particular intemperate, either. Ann Arbor,
> > Michigan.
>
> > My heating bills run about $100 - $120 per month; it's not a very big
> > house.
>
> That's not bad...
>
> The only suggestion I might have is to add a bit of solar. A lot of
> resources here:
>
> http://builditsolar.com

The engineer in the next cubicle over said that he ran the numbers on
solar here (the high school has a solar array for some reason), and
we don't get enough sun in the winter to make it viable.

In any case, I'm just not interested in lowering my heating bills
fractionally
by installing yet another thing that I have to maintain.

Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 11:11 am
From: Seerialmom

On Mar 14, 10:55 am, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 13, 5:29 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> > > "Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
> > >news:13tiut9hvqdf964@corp.supernews.com...
> > >> No matter how much insulation you pour into an attic if you have
> > >> uninsulated walls or a floor your heat is leaving that way. I've spent
> > >> about $250 insulating the walls with cocoon and I think it is one of the
> > >> best things I've ever done. You smaller home should be much less.
>
> > > what's cocoon and how is it installed?
>
> >http://www.cocooninsulation.com/
>
> > It's recycled paper treated with borax to make it fire retardant and
> > insect proof. Borax is used in eye wash so the insulation is much more
> > enviro friendly than the other options. It's also the cheapest by a good
> > margin.
>
> > It's sold compressed in bags. Each $8 bag will dense pack 32 SF of
> > wall to R13. Because it's dense, it will also stop air infiltration
> > leaks. So, if you have an old house, pre 1980, there's a good chance
> > that you have uninsulated R3 walls and this will cut heat losses there
> > by a factor of 5. It really makes a formerly unheatable room stay warm
> > even when you turn the heat off.
>
> > You install this by drilling 1" holes above and below the firebreaks
> > in every 16" wall section (that's usually two holes per section). Cocoon
> > has nice directions on doing this. If you have sheetrock, it's dead easy
> > to drill through. If you have plaster/lath it'll be easier to cut the
> > holes outside as plaster will eat your hole saw teeth off. It's a lot of
> > holes! You plug em with a can of spray insulation and spackle over that.
>
> My walls are concrete block. The sheetrock is attached to thin
> furring
> strips and skim-coated with plaster. (The outside is faced with
> granite.)
>
> No place to put insulation without a LOT of trouble.
>
> But it's a nice idea for a normal house.
>
> Cindy Hamilton- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Your house should stay relatively cool; not so sure about warm in the
winter, though. Most of your heat gain probably comes from windows
and roof, so dual (or triple panes) and good attic insulation would
work. A nice shade tree wouldn't hurt, either. I'm betting you could
replace interior sheetrock with a slightly thicker version to increase
the insulation though.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 11:23 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Mar 18, 2:11 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 10:55 am, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 5:29 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
> > > AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> > > > "Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:13tiut9hvqdf964@corp.supernews.com...
> > > >> No matter how much insulation you pour into an attic if you have
> > > >> uninsulated walls or a floor your heat is leaving that way. I've spent
> > > >> about $250 insulating the walls with cocoon and I think it is one of the
> > > >> best things I've ever done. You smaller home should be much less.
>
> > > > what's cocoon and how is it installed?
>
> > >http://www.cocooninsulation.com/
>
> > > It's recycled paper treated with borax to make it fire retardant and
> > > insect proof. Borax is used in eye wash so the insulation is much more
> > > enviro friendly than the other options. It's also the cheapest by a good
> > > margin.
>
> > > It's sold compressed in bags. Each $8 bag will dense pack 32 SF of
> > > wall to R13. Because it's dense, it will also stop air infiltration
> > > leaks. So, if you have an old house, pre 1980, there's a good chance
> > > that you have uninsulated R3 walls and this will cut heat losses there
> > > by a factor of 5. It really makes a formerly unheatable room stay warm
> > > even when you turn the heat off.
>
> > > You install this by drilling 1" holes above and below the firebreaks
> > > in every 16" wall section (that's usually two holes per section). Cocoon
> > > has nice directions on doing this. If you have sheetrock, it's dead easy
> > > to drill through. If you have plaster/lath it'll be easier to cut the
> > > holes outside as plaster will eat your hole saw teeth off. It's a lot of
> > > holes! You plug em with a can of spray insulation and spackle over that.
>
> > My walls are concrete block. The sheetrock is attached to thin
> > furring
> > strips and skim-coated with plaster. (The outside is faced with
> > granite.)
>
> > No place to put insulation without a LOT of trouble.
>
> > But it's a nice idea for a normal house.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Your house should stay relatively cool; not so sure about warm in the
> winter, though. Most of your heat gain probably comes from windows
> and roof, so dual (or triple panes) and good attic insulation would
> work. A nice shade tree wouldn't hurt, either. I'm betting you could
> replace interior sheetrock with a slightly thicker version to increase
> the insulation though.

Actually, the house is more difficult to cool than it is to heat. If
I let
the walls warm up, it takes the air conditioner an eternity to cool
the
house down. I don't make any use of my programmable thermostat
during the cooling season.

We've got double-pane windows and I keep the (insulated) drapes drawn
appropriately.

The house is surrounded by shade trees, and there's a good deal of
attic
insulation (although I'm sure that we--like most people--could use
more).

I don't think simply replacing the sheetrock would be much help. If I
were
to go to that trouble, I could fur out the walls with 2x4's and
insulate
the cavity. I don't think I'd want to go more than 2x4, or I'd lose
too
much square footage. You'd think an inch or two wouldn't matter, but
there are places where it might make it tricky to get between pieces
of furniture.

Overall, I'm satisfied with my energy efficiency. Otherwise, I'd do
something
about it.

Cindy Hamilton

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Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 10:47 am
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Date: Tues, Mar 18 2008 11:10 am
From: Charles van Blommestein

I am wanting to Volunteer with any org. as I am told that they do not
accept volunteer-help.

I try w. many 501c3 org's: MAKE-A-WISH Org, Big Brothers / Big
Sisters, American Cancer Society, my church and even at my local
Library as I am told that the only "help" that they accept is done by
ON STAFF (employed) WORKERS.

I contact each and then am casted oudoors.

What am I possibly doing "wrong" in my volunteer-search?
Am I "expecting" too much from these org's to need my outside help;
are they just not too innundated with backload to need outside help,
or are they just too PICKEY to use volunteers?

Or........ could they just be too TOP-HEAVY (rely only on their
"Higher-ups" to make any decisions) to allow any volunteers to help?

Are they (ghasp!...) all trying to spend more money by using only PAID
EMPLOYEES?

Let's all turn this Corporate psyche on it's head!

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