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TOPIC: Citrus based cleaners frugal and green?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 2:27 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:56:31 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>I'm looking for a general purpose household cleaner
>that is frugal and earth friendly and safe to humans as
>well.
>
>Specifically want to use it for spraying on the inside
>of a shower stall to remove grime say once a week or
>so.
>
>Would citrus based cleaners be good match for this use?

To clean tiles, cultured marble, stainless steel, plastic and much
more household items I use the grease remover hand cleaner paste that
you can buy from automotive supplies shops. It is used by mechanics to
clean their hands without using water. It is a water soluble paste
that has pumice in it to take out stubborn grime. It probably has
citric acid to deal with grease. It is non corrosive and benign to
the skin. I suspect there is lanoloin in the formula to keep the skin
moist. All you need is small pat of paste, an old scotchbrite pad and
a toothbrush to remove the most stubborn bath tile scum. Because it
doesn't run and only a little is needed this paste is ideal for
cleaning the many plastic appliances and office equipment items we
have.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 3:08 pm
From: The Real Bev

PaPaPeng wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:56:31 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>>I'm looking for a general purpose household cleaner
>>that is frugal and earth friendly and safe to humans as
>>well.
>>
>>Specifically want to use it for spraying on the inside
>>of a shower stall to remove grime say once a week or
>>so.
>>
>>Would citrus based cleaners be good match for this use?
>
> To clean tiles, cultured marble, stainless steel, plastic and much
> more household items I use the grease remover hand cleaner paste that
> you can buy from automotive supplies shops. It is used by mechanics to
> clean their hands without using water. It is a water soluble paste
> that has pumice in it to take out stubborn grime. It probably has
> citric acid to deal with grease. It is non corrosive and benign to
> the skin. I suspect there is lanoloin in the formula to keep the skin
> moist.

Read the label carefully, there are two kinds. The one you don't want
says you have to wipe it off before you wet your hands. The one you DO
want lets you rinse it off with water.

I got a gallon of the orange stuff with pumice for 50 cents or a buck at
a yard sale. I'm glad there are poor shoppers in this world :-) I
don't think the citrus component matters, it worked just as well when it
smelled like Gunk, which is what it is.

> All you need is small pat of paste, an old scotchbrite pad and
> a toothbrush to remove the most stubborn bath tile scum. Because it
> doesn't run and only a little is needed this paste is ideal for
> cleaning the many plastic appliances and office equipment items we
> have.

I wouldn't waste it on cleaning a shower stall! Clorox sells something
called Cleanup which is bleach in a spray bottle. Save money by buying
your own bleach and spray bottle.

What you CAN do with mechanics' hand cleaner is remove grease stains
from washable clothing. Put a blob of it on the DRY cloth and work it
in with a teaspoon (5-10 minutes or so) until the blob is ugly and gray
and you can't tell the stain from the surrounding cloth. Let it sit for
a while and then wash as usual. If there's still a spot let it dry
naturally and then try again.

1. It only works when used on dry stuff. Wetting beforehand destroys
the magic.

2. Machine drying will just cook whatever stain remains.

3. Straight liquid detergent works almost as well on DRY skin. It's
stickier and sudsier and harder to rinse off, but you probably already
have some.

--
Cheers,
Bev
*******************************************
"I've learned that you can keep puking long
after you think you're finished." -- SL

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 3:53 pm
From: clams_casino

me@privacy.net wrote:

Citrus (orange oil) based cleaners tend to be expensive.

Downside is that they tend to dissolve many plastics and they leave a
residue. Do not use anywhere near a plastic surface.

They are great for removing sticky adhesives, but the residue should be
cleaned away with a solvent.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 3:55 pm
From: clams_casino

PaPaPeng wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:56:31 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>
>
>>I'm looking for a general purpose household cleaner
>>that is frugal and earth friendly and safe to humans as
>>well.
>>
>>Specifically want to use it for spraying on the inside
>>of a shower stall to remove grime say once a week or
>>so.
>>
>>Would citrus based cleaners be good match for this use?
>>
>>
>
>
>To clean tiles, cultured marble, stainless steel, plastic and much
>more household items I use the grease remover hand cleaner paste that
>you can buy from automotive supplies shops. It is used by mechanics to
>clean their hands without using water. It is a water soluble paste
>that has pumice in it to take out stubborn grime. It probably has
>citric acid to deal with grease. It is non corrosive and benign to
>the skin. I suspect there is lanoloin in the formula to keep the skin
>moist. All you need is small pat of paste, an old scotchbrite pad and
>a toothbrush to remove the most stubborn bath tile scum. Because it
>doesn't run and only a little is needed this paste is ideal for
>cleaning the many plastic appliances and office equipment items we
>have.
>
>

I should have mentioned that citrus cleaners are good degreasers, but
avoid getting them on your hands as they will remove / dissolve the oils
from your skin.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 5:08 pm
From: me@privacy.net

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>Citrus (orange oil) based cleaners tend to be expensive.
>
>Downside is that they tend to dissolve many plastics and they leave a
>residue. Do not use anywhere near a plastic surface.
>
>They are great for removing sticky adhesives, but the residue should be
>cleaned away with a solvent.

I was looking for ONR cleaner that could be used for
all types of cleaning...kitchen, shower, etc..... but
that is also SAFE and earth friendly

Not only trying to be frugal but to "simplify" clutter
as well.

Would vinegar be best bet overall? Citrus cleaners
wont fit the bill especially for shower?

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 5:28 pm
From: me@privacy.net

me@privacy.net wrote:

>I was looking for ONR

Typo in previous post

That should say ONE..... not onr

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 6:49 pm
From: "Tockk"

No idea about the citrus cleaners, but bleach (Clorox) will degrade fairly
quickly and completely, as will ammonia. I'd think that artificial
detergents would take a bit longer to break down, and who knows what stuff
like Comet goes through to completely degrade . . .

-Tock

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:7j4bt3p9ed1na3etkl6a2jo6tj8nmhaadj@4ax.com...
> I'm looking for a general purpose household cleaner
> that is frugal and earth friendly and safe to humans as
> well.
>
> Specifically want to use it for spraying on the inside
> of a shower stall to remove grime say once a week or
> so.
>
> Would citrus based cleaners be good match for this use?

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TOPIC: Nephew running with the money
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 2:36 pm
From: Aardvark

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:04:41 +0000, Charles Ellson wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:32:33 GMT, "Martin"
> <ng@barrier.ngngng.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>"Aardvark" <aardvark@youllnever.know> wrote in message
>>news:RKQAj.29$fx1.28@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>> On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:43:02 +0000, _ wrote:
>>>
>>>> a
>>>> written contract carries more weight than a verbal one
>>>
>>> A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on :-)
>>>
>>> Dunno who originally said that
>>
>>G, of MGM....
>>

Ah, yes! The inimitable Sam! I should have remembered.

>>He should, of course, have said "oral", not "verbal"....
>>

:-)

>>
>>> HTH and HAND
>>
>>HAND ...???
>>
> "Have A Nice Day", a salutation used in the colonies m'lud.

I used those acronyms somewhat ironically, mate.

And I'm certainly a damn' colonial :-)

--
Liverpool. European City Of Culture 2008
http://www.liverpool08.com

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 4:05 pm
From: Ronald Raygun

Rod Speed wrote:

> google@woodall.me.uk wrote:
>>
>> Deed of variation gives 100k to the nephew from the father and so
>> reduces the mothers estate to 300k. Nephew agrees that in return for
>> getting his inheritance early, the other two can share the spoils when
>> the mother dies. Mother dies and it turns out the estate isn't worth
>> anything like 300k (maybe nursing home fees etc) and now the other two
>> now feel agrieved that they haven't even done as well as the nephew.
>
> Trouble with this line is that it raises the question of why the money
> wasnt given to those she intended to receive it instead of the nephew.

Quite so. But substitute "they" for "she". For the DoV to be possible,
all the father's heirs must have agreed. This presumably includes the
children.

> One obvious possibility is that it was considered to be less likely to be
> noticed by the tax authoritys if she did die before the 7 years that is
> needed to make it legally bulletproof on avoiding the inheritance tax due
> otherwise.

Eh? If the nephew's money came from the father's estate, it makes no
difference when the mother died, because it wasn't a gift from the mother.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 4:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Ronald Raygun <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> google@woodall.me.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> Deed of variation gives 100k to the nephew from the father and so
>>> reduces the mothers estate to 300k. Nephew agrees that in return for
>>> getting his inheritance early, the other two can share the spoils
>>> when the mother dies. Mother dies and it turns out the estate isn't
>>> worth anything like 300k (maybe nursing home fees etc) and now the
>>> other two now feel agrieved that they haven't even done as well as
>>> the nephew.
>>
>> Trouble with this line is that it raises the question of why the
>> money wasnt given to those she intended to receive it instead of the
>> nephew.
>
> Quite so. But substitute "they" for "she". For the DoV to be
> possible, all the father's heirs must have agreed. This presumably
> includes the children.
>
>> One obvious possibility is that it was considered to be less likely
>> to be noticed by the tax authoritys if she did die before the 7
>> years that is needed to make it legally bulletproof on avoiding the
>> inheritance tax due otherwise.

> Eh? If the nephew's money came from the father's estate,

That hasnt been established.

> it makes no difference when the mother died,
> because it wasn't a gift from the mother.

But the 7 year rule cant apply to the father's estate, so there
goes the entire rationale for the nephew getting it temporarily.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 5:35 pm
From: "Martin"

"Charles Ellson" <charles@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ovtat397r0ab2sh59jv6gr2g5l29ncg1pp@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:32:33 GMT, "Martin"
> <ng@barrier.ngngng.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Aardvark" <aardvark@youllnever.know> wrote in message
>>news:RKQAj.29$fx1.28@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>> On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:43:02 +0000, _ wrote:
>>>
>>>> a
>>>> written contract carries more weight than a verbal one
>>>
>>> A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on :-)
>>>
>>> Dunno who originally said that
>>
>>G, of MGM....
>>
>>He should, of course, have said "oral", not "verbal"....
>>
>>
>>> HTH and HAND
>>
>>HAND ...???
>>
> "Have A Nice Day"

D'oh - thanks...!!

> a salutation used in the colonies m'lud.

:-))

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TOPIC: Is Buying A Hybrid Really Smart?? Was Re: How are u playing the
gasoline game?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 2:36 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Mar 10, 12:49 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Do you save anything on long trips? I understand the savings is in
> city stop & go traffic and not on the highway crusing at 65.

That's my understanding about the hybrids as well. And since the
majority of my driving is "highway"; it doesn't make sense. However,
it'd be fine with rush hour gridlock, right?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 6:53 pm
From: "TKM"

"Sharon" <frey@encompasserve.org> wrote in message
news:704DM2JfHjKh@eisner.encompasserve.org...
> In article <Xns9A5B6FEA6DD17UVAA@207.115.33.102>, Patient Guy
> <sevisen.adam@gmailDOTHEREcom> writes:
>> "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote in misc.consumers.frugal-living:
>>
>>> "Patient Guy" <sevisen.adam@gmailDOTHEREcom> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9A5B5B7FE8490UVAA@207.115.33.102...
>>>>
>>>> In other words, it will take exactly 6 years for the Prius owner to
>>>> be able to laugh uncontrollably at the SUV driver and to be able to
>>>> say that he's starting to realize those fuel savings.
>>>
>>> If you made the comparison between similar vehicles,
>>> (like hybrid Prius vs. gas Honda Civic), it would take much longer
>>> to even be able to chuckle a little without a subsidy.
>>
>> So what type of owners are really buying these hybrids...people who say
>> they are helping the automakers "invest in green technology"? Is this
>> just
>> a extra cost being paid to "feel good about being green" or is it abject
>> stupidity?
>>
>> One thing I failed to factor in is the repair/overhaul/maintenance costs,
>> which are higher for the hybrid...what are the costs of battery
>> replacement
>> among other major parts.
>>
>> I wonder about these things because I just returned to the United States
>> after 15 years away---except for a 3-year period where I bought a used
>> Saturn to get around, only to find out the automatic transmission was
>> full
>> of sawdust.
>>
>> I will have get some wheels soon, and my net worth is effectively zero
>> upon
>> re-patriation (all my net worth is back with my wife and kid overseas).
>> I
>> am wondering if I should get something used (pre-owned) for maybe up to
>> $5000 or try to get credit on a new vehicle, gas or hybrid...now I am no
>> longer convinced the hybrid will pay off for me if I go new.
>
> Just one anecdote for your perusal: I was a long-time lover of Dodge
> Dakota trucks. Last two vehicles were Dakotas, spanning a couple decades
> total. My last Dakota, with very low mileage because I try to keep my
> commutes
> as short as possible, got an average of 14mpg. I was refilling it about
> every
> week and a half at around $65 a pop. Last summer the truck was 10 years
> old,
> and I decided it was time for a new vehicle. I checked Dodge online and
> found
> that estimated price for a new Dakota was about $25,000. I paid $23K for
> the
> one I had when it was new, so I consider that a reasonable price.
> But I was sick of the escalating gas prices, so I also researched
> Priuses. Bottom line: I bought a 2007 Prius for $23,000. I've been
> getting
> between 45 - 50 mpg. I've been refilling it about every 2.5 weeks (the
> Prius
> has an 11-gallon gtank compared to the 20-gallon tank in the Dakota) at
> about
> $25/pop.
> So for me at least, there was no price premium on the Prius, but my
> fuel savings are very clear. Oh, and repair track records over the 8
> years
> that Prius has been in the U.S. is equable to any other car. Yes, the
> hybrid
> battery is expensive to replace, but it lasts the life of the car except
> for
> occasional isolated problems.
>
> - Sharon
> "Gravity... is a harsh mistress!"

It was very simple for me.

About a year ago, I concluded that gas prices were going nowhere but up and
that would go on for the forseeable future. It was time to do something
about that. I looked around and checked out the Prius along with other high
mpg cars. The Prius was the only one where there seemed to be no compromise
with space and the driving experience and it did get the highest mileage as
well.

After almost two years with my 2006, there are no disappointments. Sure,
the traction battery can fail, but engines and transmissions, which cost
about the same as a battery, can fail too. The Prius is a remarkable
ar -- it's the only one that I know of that's optimized. Everything is
designed to act like a normal car and yet get the maximum gas mileage. It
has been fun to find that all out.

I wish the heater had a bit more output and I wish that the gas mileage
didn't go down in the winter when the heater runs a lot. But, it still gets
over 32 mpg at its worst and my Volvo and Toyoto Camry (previous cars)
didn't do anywhere near that.

Discussions about payback don't make any sense to me. No car has a payback.

TKM

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TOPIC: OT The racial murder and rape of White women in America
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 2:53 pm
From: Ivar Rosquist

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:19:54 +0100, Runge11 wrote:

> earl evleth and his pals coming back... Ugh
>
> <anony10101@googlemail.com> a écrit dans le message de
> news:3a6c3bf7-a961-49a7-bfff-
f3a03ca2b238@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 10, 3:58 pm, News without the Jews
>> <bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> [A lot of junk]

Why are you guys quoting that lengthy junk? Are you stupid or
what? Not only do you contribute to propagating that kind of retarded
notions but, in addition, you waste everybody's bandwidth.

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TOPIC: spam
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 3:08 pm
From: clams_casino

rkbose@pacific.net.sg wrote:

>On Mar 9, 5:57 pm, wen.yongy...@163.com wrote:
>
>

Do these spam replies by rkbose@pacific.net.sg have any message? I'm
getting a blank page.

I'm guessing it's also a spam, but whatever they are trying to say seems
to be blocked.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 3:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> rkbose@pacific.net.sg wrote:
>
>> On Mar 9, 5:57 pm, wen.yongy...@163.com wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
> Do these spam replies by rkbose@pacific.net.sg have any message? I'm getting a blank page.

I get that dated line third at the top.

Blank in the sense that there is nothing of his tho.

> I'm guessing it's also a spam, but whatever they are trying to say seems to be blocked.

Looked more to me like he just put the word spam in the subject

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 6:07 pm
From: larry

clams_casino wrote:
> rkbose@pacific.net.sg wrote:
>
>> On Mar 9, 5:57 pm, wen.yongy...@163.com wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
> Do these spam replies by rkbose@pacific.net.sg have any message? I'm
> getting a blank page.
>
>
> I'm guessing it's also a spam, but whatever they are trying to say seems
> to be blocked.
>

They don't know graphics don't work in newgroups ;-)

--larry/dallas

I've just added the word spam to my filters, who wodda
thought it was that easy...

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TOPIC: Those Mortgage accelerators
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 5:09 pm
From: "Lou"

<websurf1@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Mar 9, 6:53 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Because there is one born every minute.
>
> I don't know about the OP and all that crap.
>
> BUT,
> I have read of a mortgage that IS slightly different.
> The fastest way to explain what I think I know:
>
> Plot your mortgage balance over the life of the loan.
> You may pay ahead if you wish. Your balance goes down, your interest
> goes down. You are below the plot line.
> Someday, something happens. You don't have cash.
> SO, you just skip however many payments you need to.
> As long as you don't get the principle back up above the original
> plot, you have no penalties.
> You don't have to apply for a HELOC, etc.
>
> I have read about this, but don't know if it widely available or only
> a discussion. Sounds great, if it doesn't get screwed up.

Not around here. In New Jersey, you can generally prepay on a mortgage at
any time without penalty (state law). But no matter how much you pay this
month, you still owe your regular payment next month (unless your prepayment
was enough to pay off the mortgage).

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TOPIC: Making the Money Last after Retirement
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 5:23 pm
From: Lenore

Aren't we all looking to suppliment that "retirement income" that
never quite goes far enough? There are a few ways to do this. Stretch
the food budget with a little more beans and a little less animal
protein, turn out all the lights and keep the heater a little lower
( the old put on an extra sweater routine. ) Wouldn't the easier just
to spend a few hours on the computer and get a few checks coming in
the mail? It's as easy as doing a crossword puzzle and in about the
same time as it takes to do one you have earned some income. Oh, did I
mention that's theres no monetary investment. This is how I solved
the retirement income dilema and now I even have a steak once in a
while! www,ezinfocenter.com/9971131/FREE

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 6:10 pm
From: The Real Bev

Lenore wrote:

> Aren't we all looking to suppliment that "retirement income" that
> never quite goes far enough? There are a few ways to do this. Stretch
> the food budget with a little more beans and a little less animal
> protein, turn out all the lights and keep the heater a little lower
> ( the old put on an extra sweater routine. ) ...spam continues...

If we'd been doing this all along we probably wouldn't have to worry
about retirement income going far enough.

--
Cheers,
Bev
*******************************************
"I've learned that you can keep puking long
after you think you're finished." -- SL

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Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 6:44 pm
From: wenyong_ying2008@126.com

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Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 6:45 pm
From: wenyong_ying2008@126.com

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TOPIC: Converter boxes for new HDTV sets -- which is the best one?
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Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 6:46 pm
From: "Tockk"

I haven't a clue what I should look for in these things. They (I don't
remember who) sent me 2 coupons worth $40 each to buy 2 set converters.
Actually, they're plastic cards the size of credit cards, but who cares?
Anyway, I bought a TV antenna from these people last summer for cheap (it
works great), and I'm on their spam list. They've got 6 to choose from.
Anyone know which would be the best to get?

http://www.solidsignal.com/cat_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=Digital%20Converter%20Box

Thanks,

-Tock

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