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TOPIC: Healthy for whom? Re: The 20 Healthiest Foods for Under $1
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 2:28 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Jul 22, 5:02 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> yag wrote:
> >On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:12:34 -0700 (PDT), James <j0069b...@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >>Several are no no for gout. Egg consumption has to be limited.
> >>Broccoli intake must be monitored if you're on blood thinner. Peanuts
> >>are banned on airlines.
>
> >Those of us without gout, don't give ashit.
>
> So what do you do for your constipation?

Maybe he proofreads his posts on his laptop, but the glasses and teeth
are on the counter as he waits.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 4:59 pm
From: val189

About wild rice

"It won't cost you much more than white rice...."

I'd like to know where the author shops.

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TOPIC: Which inexpensive top loader washer to buy?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 3:02 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 22, 1:08 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:43:49 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
>
> <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I'm finally glad I have a front loader now that the water meters have
> >been installed on my street. Before this I wasn't seeing all that
> >much of a difference because I rarely used hot water to wash, so it
> >didn't help on the electric bill. But the water bill should stay
> >relatively low.
>
> If you use clothes dryer (ours is electric), you may see utility bills
> drop with a front-loader because it spins more water out of the
> clothes = shorter drying time.
>
> Dennis (evil)
> --
> I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
> dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

That's what they say, but one thing I noticed was that because you can
fit more clothes in the wash, it took longer to dry. I suppose if I
washed the same average sized load I used to that might be true. Even
better would be to semi-dry the clothes (I can briefly hang mine in
the very warm garage) before using the dryer on them to finish drying
and clear wrinkles.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 3:46 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <kfrb84tl2o7v6j3lt20mdb2v3mcapj7kja@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> Cost is an issue but need a new washer.
>
> What brand/model cheapish top loader would you guys
> advise that is a decent performer and a good "value"?

Check Consumer Reports.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 3:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:

> In most of Europe they use front loaders

Pig ignorant lie.

> and top loaders are considered archaic and deficient.

Another pig ignorant lie.

And who cares what those in europe use anyway ?

>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:28:13 -0700, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply <samhill@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
>
>> Goomba wrote:
>>>
>>> pssssst... a top loading washer *is* a "REGULAR" washing machine.
>>> Perhaps you're thinking of a front loader? Which are also "REGULAR"
>>> washers in much of the world, and becoming so in the US also. Love
>>> the way they use less water and energy.
>>
>> Hello, BDRU! (brain dead 'R' us) I am having an insane morning at
>> work.
>>
>> My mom had front-loaders with slanted fronts when I was little. I
>> remember watching the clothes and the soapsuds going around all the
>> time. But they are MUCH more expensive than the standard washing
>> machine that has been sold in the US for ages. So "cheapish" is
>> something I would really worry about, since many of the newer models
>> still had bugs that hadn't been worked out.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 4:42 pm
From: Dennis

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:02:46 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
<seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jul 22, 1:08 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:43:49 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
>>
>> <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >I'm finally glad I have a front loader now that the water meters have
>> >been installed on my street. Before this I wasn't seeing all that
>> >much of a difference because I rarely used hot water to wash, so it
>> >didn't help on the electric bill. But the water bill should stay
>> >relatively low.
>>
>> If you use clothes dryer (ours is electric), you may see utility bills
>> drop with a front-loader because it spins more water out of the
>> clothes = shorter drying time.
>>
>> Dennis (evil)
>> --
>> I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
>> dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin
>
>That's what they say, but one thing I noticed was that because you can
>fit more clothes in the wash, it took longer to dry. I suppose if I
>washed the same average sized load I used to that might be true. Even
>better would be to semi-dry the clothes (I can briefly hang mine in
>the very warm garage) before using the dryer on them to finish drying
>and clear wrinkles.

Well, even if it takes longer to dry "a load", if you are drying more
clothes it still may be saving you money on the utility bills if the
energy use per item/lb/unit is lower. Or maybe not, particularly if
you are using timed drying and continue running the dryer longer than
it needs.

We got a new dryer with a moisture sensor at the same time we got the
front-load washer, so it is hard to say which caused the drop in the
electric bill. Probably a combination of both.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 8:35 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <kfrb84tl2o7v6j3lt20mdb2v3mcapj7kja@4ax.com>,
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>Cost is an issue but need a new washer.

>What brand/model cheapish top loader would you guys
>advise that is a decent performer and a good "value"?

I had to replace a washer a few years ago; I bought the
second lowest end model Whirlpool that Lowes had. (The
lowest end did not have a bleach dispenser.)

Looks like you have to go to third from lowest to get
the bleach dispenser, now:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=161966-46-WTW5540ST&lpage=none

I've had good luck with mine so far.

For things like towels, I re-run the spin cycle to get a
bit more water out.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?

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TOPIC: Car Depreciation
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 5:10 pm
From: Silfax

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:42:49 -0400, nicksanspam regurgitated the following

> James <jlinn@idirect.com> wrote:
>
>>All cars take a huge hit once they are driven off the lot...
>
> I just stopped at a Smart Car dealer and noticed the $13-15K new car
> stickers and asked if they had any used Smart Cars for sale. The
> salesperson pointed to one on the lot and said it just sold for $21K,
> after 2 months of use. ("The owner had too many cars.") It was no fancier
> than the new cars. I asked why the price was higher, and she said Smart
> Cars APpreciate as they leave the lot.

The dealer was yanking your chain...

If they were worth more after 2 months use, you could go into business
buying a new one then selling it 2 months later. Then buy anther new one,
use it for 2 months and resell it again. Looking at the numbers posted
above (buy for 15k, sell for 21k) you would be looking at an income of 6k
every 2 months -- 12k a year for doing pretty much nothing.

and what moron would pay an additional 6k for a slightly used car when a
an identical new model is sitting right next to it for 6000 less?

--
Silfax

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 5:28 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 22, 5:10 pm, Silfax <r...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:42:49 -0400, nicksanspam regurgitated the following
>
> > James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> >>All cars take a huge hit once they are driven off the lot...
>
> > I just stopped at a Smart Car dealer and noticed the $13-15K new car
> > stickers and asked if they had any used Smart Cars for sale. The
> > salesperson pointed to one on the lot and said it just sold for $21K,
> > after 2 months of use. ("The owner had too many cars.") It was no fancier
> > than the new cars. I asked why the price was higher, and she said Smart
> > Cars APpreciate as they leave the lot.
>
> The dealer was yanking your chain...
>
> If they were worth more after 2 months use, you could go into business
> buying a new one then selling it 2 months later. Then buy anther new one,
> use it for 2 months and resell it again. Looking at the numbers posted
> above (buy for 15k, sell for 21k) you would be looking at an income of 6k
> every 2 months -- 12k a year for doing pretty much nothing.
>
> and what moron would pay an additional 6k for a slightly used car when a
> an identical new model is sitting right next to it for 6000 less?
>
> --
> Silfax

Wouldn't that qualify as "instant gratification" though? If they have
a used one to drive off the lot vs having to wait 3-6 months on a
waiting list, some (not saying it really makes sense) would opt for
the premium to have it now.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 6:02 pm
From: George

Silfax wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:42:49 -0400, nicksanspam regurgitated the following
>
>> James <jlinn@idirect.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All cars take a huge hit once they are driven off the lot...
>> I just stopped at a Smart Car dealer and noticed the $13-15K new car
>> stickers and asked if they had any used Smart Cars for sale. The
>> salesperson pointed to one on the lot and said it just sold for $21K,
>> after 2 months of use. ("The owner had too many cars.") It was no fancier
>> than the new cars. I asked why the price was higher, and she said Smart
>> Cars APpreciate as they leave the lot.
>
>
> The dealer was yanking your chain...
>
> If they were worth more after 2 months use, you could go into business
> buying a new one then selling it 2 months later. Then buy anther new one,
> use it for 2 months and resell it again. Looking at the numbers posted
> above (buy for 15k, sell for 21k) you would be looking at an income of 6k
> every 2 months -- 12k a year for doing pretty much nothing.
>
> and what moron would pay an additional 6k for a slightly used car when a
> an identical new model is sitting right next to it for 6000 less?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Silfax
>
>
They wouldn't be a moron. They would simply be someone who wanted the
car and because they can't do what you described. If you placed your
order today it would take 14 months to get your new Smartcar. You simply
can't walk in and buy one. There is *no* dealer stock. All cars are
already sold.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 6:10 pm
From: George

timeOday wrote:
> I am one of those who said equity in a vehicle is akin to savings - but
> I never said it was a *good* form of savings :)
>
> NPR recently ran a story about collapsing SUV values. A guy who paid
> $72,000(!) for a Cadillac Escalade last year was offered $32,000 for it
> at carmax. I think the guy would be a fool to sell at that price, since
> I think gas prices are in a speculation bubble right now. Problem is,
> the payment is so high he cannot keep up. Check and mate. Repossession
> must be tempting for him because the bank would get royally screwed.
>
> Good practical cars (unfortunately for us bargain hunters) don't
> depreciate nearly so fast.

I think the guy should thank whomever was willing to buy his fluffed up
truck at 3x market value.

I have a number of friends who are involved in car dealerships etc and
they all say you can barely give fluffed up trucks away. My one friend
said that he recently went to a repo auction of vehicles repossessed by
a mega bank. He said most everything offered was 1-2 year old fluffed up
trucks such as the escalade. He said the minimums were around $9,000 and
there were no bidders. He said they were normal vehicles and none were
trashed.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 6:17 pm
From: George

James wrote:

>
> You could come up to Canada and take your pick.
>
> I know that bringing cars in from the US can take a week for the
> paperwork to process and cost you a thousand or more. But dealers in
> Canada have lots, and they are exactly the same models as in the US
> (slightly higher MSRP though). I expect the US paperwork would be
> similar to Canada's.
>
> When they came to Canada in 2003, they outsold Mercedes expectations.
> They do work fine in the snow (with snow tires from dealer) . They are
> not desigjned to cruise at 75 MPH all day, but they can drive the
> limit everywhere.
>
> They have a well designed safety cage - go to you tube and search for
> the footage of a Mercdes E class and a Smart car colliding.
>
> Most of the critics didn't like the transmission.
>
> James

The US model is different than what was imported into Canada. My one
friend did check about bringing one in and it was spendier than a grand.

I did see all of the various crash test footage and it is definitely a
safe car. I drove my buddies a couple hundred miles and it is not
uncomfortable. The car is solidly built. The transmission is an
electronic manual as used on other Daimler designs. There is nothing
wrong just a different feel when it shifts. Anyone who is used to a
normal "automatic" could draw interesting conclusions if they didn't
understand the arrangement in the Smartcar.

My buddy already picked up snow tires for his. Everyone says they
perform really well in snow just like the old VW bugs because the engine
weight is over the rear wheels.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 6:42 pm
From: James

On Jul 22, 9:17 pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> James wrote:
>
> > You could come up to Canada and take your pick.
>
> > I know that bringing cars in from the US can take a week for the
> > paperwork to process and cost you a thousand or more. But dealers in
> > Canada have lots, and they are exactly the same models as in the US
> > (slightly higher MSRP though). I expect the US paperwork would be
> > similar to Canada's.
>
> > When they came to Canada in 2003, they outsold Mercedes expectations.
> > They do work fine in the snow (with snow tires from dealer) . They are
> > not desigjned to cruise at 75 MPH all day, but they can drive the
> > limit everywhere.
>
> > They have a well designed safety cage - go to you tube and search for
> > the footage of a Mercdes E class and a Smart car colliding.
>
> > Most of the critics didn't like the transmission.
>
> > James
>
> The US model is different than what was imported into Canada. My one
> friend did check about bringing one in and it was spendier than a grand.
>
> I did see all of the various crash test footage and it is definitely a
> safe car. I drove my buddies a couple hundred miles and it is not
> uncomfortable. The car is solidly built. The transmission is an
> electronic manual as used on other Daimler designs. There is nothing
> wrong just a different feel when it shifts. Anyone who is used to a
> normal "automatic" could draw interesting conclusions if they didn't
> understand the arrangement in the Smartcar.
>
> My buddy already picked up snow tires for his. Everyone says they
> perform really well in snow just like the old VW bugs because the engine
> weight is over the rear wheels.- Hide quoted text -
>
The car being imported into the US is exactly the same model as being
imported into Canada today. But you are correct that the initial one
that Canada got, which was a turbo diesel will not be imported into
the US. In their infinite wisdom MB decided to make it one model for
both Canada and the US and actually stoppped importing the diesel into
Canada until the US was ready for the gas. So Smart cars became scarce
for a while in Canada, though most stores didn't run out completely.

The critics I was referring to are automobile journalists. Their
comments on the tranny were that there was a significant lag between
shifts. I'm sure you can get used to it. But these guys are plenty
uised to driuving everythingf SVTs to sequential shift boxes. Everyone
has commented. Perhaps they are comparing to the excellent manuals and
automatics in the Yaris and Fit.

James

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TOPIC: air conditioning in two-story house
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 8:52 pm
From: "MarieD"

We have a two-story house, and one a/c unit. The upstairs rooms are terribly
hot in the summertime. It doesn't even feel like cold air is coming out of
the vents if the temperatures go above 85F outside. Fans do NOT help. We
were told to check in the attic to see if the cold air is leaking out
somewhere up there. When the temps are getting up to 100F, it's just about
unbearable upstairs. Does anyone have any ideas? Saturday my husband is
going to go into the attic to check for leaks.

I have tried keeping the doors closed upstairs, and also keeping them all
open. Neither makes a difference. And I do block the windows from letting
the sun through. btw the windows are new, double-paned, supposed to be good
at keeping the air from leaking in/out.

--
Marie
~The test of courage comes when we are in the minority. The test of
tolerance comes when we are in the majority.~
Ralph W. Sockman

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 22 2008 8:23 pm
From: Walter

"MarieD" <abc@123.com> wrote in
news:dWxhk.4414$KI7.1881@newsfe08.iad:

> We have a two-story house, and one a/c unit. The upstairs
> rooms are terribly hot in the summertime. It doesn't even feel
> like cold air is coming out of the vents if the temperatures
> go above 85F outside. Fans do NOT help. We were told to check
> in the attic to see if the cold air is leaking out somewhere
> up there. When the temps are getting up to 100F, it's just
> about unbearable upstairs. Does anyone have any ideas?
> Saturday my husband is going to go into the attic to check for
> leaks.
>
> I have tried keeping the doors closed upstairs, and also
> keeping them all open. Neither makes a difference. And I do
> block the windows from letting the sun through. btw the
> windows are new, double-paned, supposed to be good at keeping
> the air from leaking in/out.

Can you afford a swamp cooler? Mine is set in the middle of
my upper floor. Works great.

Do you use your fans to pull the hot air out of the upper floor to
the outside

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