Frugal Living: 26 new messages in 16 topics

Wednesday, July 23, 2008

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Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 12:08 am
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TOPIC: Healthy for whom? Re: The 20 Healthiest Foods for Under $1
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 3:40 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

<yag> wrote:

>Those of us without gout, don't give ashit.

Don't got gout, don't give nout.

Nick

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 6:28 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

James wrote:
> On Jul 22, 11:35 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> <http://www.divinecaroline.com/articles/printer_friendly/22145/52070>
>>
>> --
>> Evelyn C. Leeper
>> Just because everything is different doesn't mean
>> anything has changed. -Irene Peter
>
> Several are no no for gout. Egg consumption has to be limited.
> Broccoli intake must be monitored if you're on blood thinner. Peanuts
> are banned on airlines.

Silly me, I figured that people here would realize that if you have a
medical condition that says one of these foods isn't healthy, you would
know not to eat it.

Seriously, *of course* not all the foods are healthy for everyone. And
vegans won't eat eggs, vegetarians won't eat sardines, and Mormons won't
drink coffee. But the list is to provide suggestions that intelligent
people can decide whether to use or not.

Sheesh.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Just because everything is different doesn't mean
anything has changed. -Irene Peter

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 10:01 am
From: James

On Jul 23, 9:28 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> James wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 11:35 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> <http://www.divinecaroline.com/articles/printer_friendly/22145/52070>
>
> >> --
> >> Evelyn C. Leeper
> >> Just because everything is different doesn't mean
> >> anything has changed. -Irene Peter
>
> > Several are no no for gout. Egg consumption has to be limited.
> > Broccoli intake must be monitored if you're on blood thinner. Peanuts
> > are banned on airlines.
>
> Silly me, I figured that people here would realize that if you have a
> medical condition that says one of these foods isn't healthy, you would
> know not to eat it.
>
> Seriously, *of course* not all the foods are healthy for everyone. And
> vegans won't eat eggs, vegetarians won't eat sardines, and Mormons won't
> drink coffee. But the list is to provide suggestions that intelligent
> people can decide whether to use or not.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> Just because everything is different doesn't mean
> anything has changed. -Irene Peter

You cannot assume intelligent people don't make stupid decisions.
Eating too much of some of what's on the list can be like eating
poison.

Here's an article on what can happen when people do what's supposed to
be "good for you".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7521137.stm

The dangers of too much detox

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TOPIC: air conditioning in two-story house
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 4:00 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <dWxhk.4414$KI7.1881@newsfe08.iad>, "MarieD" <abc@123.com>
wrote:

> We have a two-story house, and one a/c unit. The upstairs rooms are terribly
> hot in the summertime. It doesn't even feel like cold air is coming out of
> the vents if the temperatures go above 85F outside. Fans do NOT help. We
> were told to check in the attic to see if the cold air is leaking out
> somewhere up there. When the temps are getting up to 100F, it's just about
> unbearable upstairs. Does anyone have any ideas? Saturday my husband is
> going to go into the attic to check for leaks.
>
> I have tried keeping the doors closed upstairs, and also keeping them all
> open. Neither makes a difference. And I do block the windows from letting
> the sun through. btw the windows are new, double-paned, supposed to be good
> at keeping the air from leaking in/out.

Its impossible to make specific recommendations about this problem
without the slightest idea of where in the world you live or the
construction of your home. You and your husband should probably talk
with neighbors to see what they recommend, as presumably they are in the
same situation as you. You also might be better off consulting with a
specialist in that area who knows how to check for these things. Ask
your neighbors for a recommendation.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 5:29 am
From: James

On Jul 22, 11:52 pm, "MarieD" <a...@123.com> wrote:
> We have a two-story house, and one a/c unit. The upstairs rooms are terribly
> hot in the summertime. It doesn't even feel like cold air is coming out of
> the vents if the temperatures go above 85F outside. Fans do NOT help. We
> were told to check in the attic to see if the cold air is leaking out
> somewhere up there. When the temps are getting up to 100F, it's just about
> unbearable upstairs. Does anyone have any ideas? Saturday my husband is
> going to go into the attic to check for leaks.
>
> I have tried keeping the doors closed upstairs, and also keeping them all
> open. Neither makes a difference. And I do block the windows from letting
> the sun through. btw the windows are new, double-paned, supposed to be good
> at keeping the air from leaking in/out.
>
> --
> Marie
> ~The test of courage comes when we are in the minority. The test of
> tolerance comes when we are in the majority.~
> Ralph W. Sockman

Attic fan to lower temperature of attic and more attic insulation to
keep the heat from coming into the house. Close downstair vents so
all cool air goes through upstair vents. I doubt cold air is leaking
out up there since cold air drifts lower and hot air raises.
Downstairs are usually cooler than upstairs. You might have to get
some kind of vent fans for the upstair fans to help draw the cool air
upstairs if closing the downstair vents don't work.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 7:01 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:52:43 -0400, "MarieD" <abc@123.com> wrote:

In general, a single AC won't properly cool the second story of a two
story house. Cold air is denser, and sinks. Hot air is less dense,
so any hot air from below rises to replace it. This is the exact
opposite of the positive effects of heating a first floor. When
heating, the second story can be more comfortable and secure than the
first one, hence the Brit nobles tending to live on the second floor,
or the French living on the second floor but calling it the first
floor, the use of basements, etc.. You'll likely need a second AC
just for the upper floors if the situation is as bad as you describe.

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Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 6:01 am
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TOPIC: Oxygen Bars
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Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 6:51 am
From: Dancing Queen

we have been having lots of forest fires nearby and I went to get my
oxygen tank
refilled , but they won't w/o a prescription.
Seems like you should be able to buy O2. Medical grade. There is not
such restriction on welding O.
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How pure , I dunno.
Why is O2 regulated?
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

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TOPIC: I found natural cures for gout un-frugal
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 8:37 am
From: James

On Jul 22, 2:41 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> On 2008-07-22, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > (Other than it's a coin made of certain
> > metals that you carry in your pocket. :-)
>
> It's just redundant. I already have my Kinoki foot pads, Q-Ray bracelet,
> and magnetic jockstrap. Still working on the tinfoil hat. ;)
>
> nb

Oh well, it works as well as masterbation. Masterbating don't cost
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 9:35 am
From: Goomba

James wrote:
> On Jul 22, 2:41 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> On 2008-07-22, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> (Other than it's a coin made of certain
>>> metals that you carry in your pocket. :-)
>> It's just redundant. I already have my Kinoki foot pads, Q-Ray bracelet,
>> and magnetic jockstrap. Still working on the tinfoil hat. ;)
>>
>> nb
>
> Oh well, it works as well as masterbation. Masterbating don't cost
> $20 unless you need the aid of viagra and online porn.

FYI- mastUrbation is the correct spelling. Just in case you're doing it
wrong as well as spelling it incorrectly?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 10:08 am
From: James

On Jul 23, 12:35 pm, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> James wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 2:41 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> >> On 2008-07-22, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> >>> (Other than it's a coin made of certain
> >>> metals that you carry in your pocket. :-)
> >> It's just redundant. I already have my Kinoki foot pads, Q-Ray bracelet,
> >> and magnetic jockstrap. Still working on the tinfoil hat. ;)
>
> >> nb
>
> > Oh well, it works as well as masterbation. Masterbating don't cost
> > $20 unless you need the aid of viagra and online porn.
>
> FYI- mastUrbation is the correct spelling. Just in case you're doing it
> wrong as well as spelling it incorrectly?

Well, I guess teacher should have been teaching me spelling instead of
sex.

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TOPIC: look to the bible for answers?
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Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 8:50 am
From: A Veteran

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have
learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and
support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you
said
"in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to
share
that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to
defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus
18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements
of
God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify?
Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for
her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
him
myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may ! not approach the altar of God if I have
a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27.
How
should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of
two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to
curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of
getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with
people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable
expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

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TOPIC: Cooling Cost
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Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 9:45 am
From: Jeff

James wrote:
> Overnight lows are usually around 70 even after 90+ highs where I
> live.
>
> I had the window fan on for 14 hours consumed 70Kw. Had the AC on 1
> hour for 40 to 50Kw. One hour of AC didn't lower the temperature but
> took moisture out of the air.

Well, that's not good.

It was pretty humid overnight and I was
> able to lower the house from 82 to 76 after 14 hours.
>
> The night before I had the AC on instead and that took 240Kw.
>
> Based on this one observation it seems cheaper to use window fan at
> night to cool my house.

As others have pointed out, your numbers are crazy.

Now, a fan pulling in cooler air at night is a good thing. But it is
rarely sufficient. Only you know how fast it takes your house to heat up.

I'd like to point out that fans are big energy users and leaving one
on does use energy. One of the big features of Energy Star ACs is that
they have a mode to cycle the fan off when the compressor is not
running. That saves a lot of energy, from not having the fan run
continuously.

Also, because it is cooler at night, your window AC will take less
energy to cool. It should cycle off much more.

Ideally, you'll want a mix of both ventilation and AC. But, if I had
to choose only one it would be AC.

In a poorly insulated home, the best way to save money is insulation.
You may also wish to do something with your windows if you have a lot of
solar gain. And do something with your attic, if your attic temps are high.

I've dramatically cut my cooling cost by adding insulation (all the
way around) and by switching to Energy Star ACs with a good EER. I'm
also much more comfortable.

It sounds like you have central air. The new outdoor units have much
higher SEERs than the old. I believe 16 is now common and 19s are out
there. You may wish to consider an upgrade there but the payback would
be multiple years.

Jeff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 9:52 am
From: Jeff

Jeff wrote:
> James wrote:
>> Overnight lows are usually around 70 even after 90+ highs where I
>> live.
>>
>> I had the window fan on for 14 hours consumed 70Kw. Had the AC on 1
>> hour for 40 to 50Kw. One hour of AC didn't lower the temperature but
>> took moisture out of the air.
>
> Well, that's not good.
>
> It was pretty humid overnight and I was
>> able to lower the house from 82 to 76 after 14 hours.
>>
>> The night before I had the AC on instead and that took 240Kw.
>>
>> Based on this one observation it seems cheaper to use window fan at
>> night to cool my house.
>
> As others have pointed out, your numbers are crazy.
>
> Now, a fan pulling in cooler air at night is a good thing. But it is
> rarely sufficient. Only you know how fast it takes your house to heat up.
>
> I'd like to point out that fans are big energy users and leaving one on
> does use energy. One of the big features of Energy Star ACs is that they
> have a mode to cycle the fan off when the compressor is not running.
> That saves a lot of energy, from not having the fan run continuously.
>
> Also, because it is cooler at night, your window AC will take less
> energy to cool. It should cycle off much more.
>
> Ideally, you'll want a mix of both ventilation and AC. But, if I had
> to choose only one it would be AC.
>
> In a poorly insulated home, the best way to save money is insulation.
> You may also wish to do something with your windows if you have a lot of
> solar gain. And do something with your attic, if your attic temps are high.
>
> I've dramatically cut my cooling cost by adding insulation (all the
> way around) and by switching to Energy Star ACs with a good EER. I'm
> also much more comfortable.
>
> It sounds like you have central air. The new outdoor units have much
> higher SEERs than the old. I believe 16 is now common and 19s are out
> there. You may wish to consider an upgrade there but the payback would
> be multiple years.

There's some caveats on high SEER, particularly in very hot climates.
More here:

http://www.udarrell.com/air-conditioning-total-heat-enthalpy-latent-heat.html

Jeff
>
> Jeff
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 9:58 am
From: "Bob F"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:g62n68$qq4$1@aioe.org...
> Recently, I made a post regarding whether our house payment could be
> considered a form of savings. During the discussion, someone brought up
> making a car payment, and asked if I would consider that savings.
>
> A number of folks chipped in with their various views. Many of them
> considered depreciation.
>
> Well, we have a 1969 Ford Econoline van that I got for $500. We also have a
> Dodge Caravan (van) that we also paid $500 for. Then we have a 1996 Buick
> Century that we've had since 2002, when it was given to us as a wedding
> present.
>
> So we have a grand total of $1,000 in 3 vehicles. From my point of view,
> there really isn't a whole lot of depreciation to be had. I do most of the
> maintenance myself. If we had do, I think we could probably sell these 3
> vehicles for $3,500 or so. The true value is that each is dependable, well
> cared for, and is insurance against ever having to make a car payment, or have
> to take out a car loan.
>
> Plus, each serves a specific purpose. The older van we bought to go camping.
> We don't have to set up and take down a tent, and it works out great in colder
> or wet weather. The newer van is good for medium trips where we want a bit
> more room. The Buick is best for city driving and long distance driving when
> it is just 1 or 2 people, and the best mileage is desired.
>
> For some folks, automobile depreciation isn't much of a financial issue. We
> only have 2.5% of our annual income invested in our 3 autos. Of course, we
> will probably put in more money into fixing some things up than might be true
> with newer vehicles. Plus, it will take more time for maintenance on my part.
> However, that is essentially a hobby that I enjoy, and something I can do with
> my son to teach him about tools & such, so I don't consider that a negatived
> aspect at all.
>

And what are you paying for insurance and licensing for each of those vehicles?

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TOPIC: Extreme grocery shopping saves cash as food prices rise
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 10:17 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

<http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008807200323>

Article about driving 90 miles round trip to buy groceries. And yes,
the savings takes into account fuel costs. I used to see this a lot
when I was young at the base commissary. Retirees would drive in once a
month from long distances and buy all their non-perishables at much
cheaper prices than off-vase.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Just because everything is different doesn't mean
anything has changed. -Irene Peter

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TOPIC: US Citizen Wants To Become An Illegal Alien (More Benefits)
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 10:54 am
From: hpope@lycos.com

On Jul 23, 4:36 am, s...@nospam.org (Way Back Jack) wrote:
> The Honorable Tom Harkin
> 731 Hart Senate Office Building
> Phone (202) 224 3254
> Washington DC , 20510
>
> Dear Senator Harkin,
>
> As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue
> Service, I
> am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department
> of
> Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming
> an
> illegal alien and they referred me to you.
>
> My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to
>
> illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the
> Senate
> and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's provisions
> is
> accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for
> five
> years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine
> and
> income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when
> I see
> one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone
> figures it
> out.
>
> Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay
> taxes
> every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of
> taxes
> in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply
> to be
> illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and
> my
> family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.
>
> Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local
> emergency
> room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying
> premiums
> for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost
> $10,000 a
> year.
>
> Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter
> would
> receive preferential treatment relative to her law school
> applications, as
> well as 'in-state' tuition rates for many colleges throughout the
> United
> States for my son.
>
> Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the
> burden of
> renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance
>
> premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college
> age
> children driving my car.
>
> If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become
> illegal
> (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would
> be
> most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.
>
> Your Loyal Constituent,
>
> Get your Forms (NOW)!! Call your Internal Revenue Service
> 1-800-289-1040.

And they wonder why folks want to "take a dump" on Washington, DC.

mitch

http://www.newnation.com/ New Nation News

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 11:18 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jul 23, 1:54 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> On Jul 23, 4:36 am, s...@nospam.org (Way Back Jack) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Honorable Tom Harkin
> > 731 Hart Senate Office Building
> > Phone (202) 224 3254
> > Washington DC , 20510
>
> > Dear Senator Harkin,
>
> > As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue
> > Service, I
> > am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department
> > of
> > Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming
> > an
> > illegal alien and they referred me to you.
>
> > My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to
>
> > illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the
> > Senate
> > and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's provisions
> > is
> > accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for
> > five
> > years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine
> > and
> > income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when
> > I see
> > one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone
> > figures it
> > out.
>
> > Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay
> > taxes
> > every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of
> > taxes
> > in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply
> > to be
> > illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and
> > my
> > family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.
>
> > Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local
> > emergency
> > room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying
> > premiums
> > for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost
> > $10,000 a
> > year.
>
> > Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter
> > would
> > receive preferential treatment relative to her law school
> > applications, as
> > well as 'in-state' tuition rates for many colleges throughout the
> > United
> > States for my son.
>
> > Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the
> > burden of
> > renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance
>
> > premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college
> > age
> > children driving my car.
>
> > If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become
> > illegal
> > (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would
> > be
> > most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.
>
> > Your Loyal Constituent,
>
> > Get your Forms (NOW)!! Call your Internal Revenue Service
> > 1-800-289-1040.
>
> And they wonder why folks want to "take a dump" on Washington, DC.
>

Word. When my wallet was stolen and I had to go to the SS office to
get a
new card, I was absolutely dumbstruck by what I saw in the waiting
room. I
was the only person speaking English and the only woman there with no
children. My Spanish is a bit rusty (haven't lived abroad since the
1980s),
but I was able to figure out that most of the people waiting were
never
employed, possibly undocumented, but were receiving all sorts of
bennies.
It was apparent that most of them spoke no English at all. Note that I
live
in rural upstate NY, not a city. Outside of the SS office I have never
heard
anyone speaking anything other than English. That includes people
working at
local gas station quik e marts, stores, and the Thruway rest stop. Of
course, that includes only people who work, not those who stay home
and pump
out babies as their chosen "profession". Once again, "your tax dollars
at
work".

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Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 11:20 am
From: trimitdown

There's nothing to join here. It's just plain good advice.

http://trim-it-down.com

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