Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 10 topics

Sunday, July 27, 2008

25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: How to spend less electricity?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 11:19 am
From: "h"

"TKM" <noname@no.net> wrote in message
news:YP_ik.268327$SV4.42520@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7c60478e-0568-4293-bf6f-c6a5f79ecb5a@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 27, 6:46 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>> Arumugham wrote:
>> >Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
>> >washing machine as far as possible.
>>
>> I thought you people in India washed your clothing in the river.
>
> After burning out many CFL bulbs I discovered that if you use them
> upside down the heat kills the electronics and decreases a 5 year life
> to a mear several months.
>
> Same thing can happen if the CFL is enclosed in a fixture. For maximum
> life, CFLs should be in open air and burned base down.
>

Weird. Most of my lights are upside down, in enclosed fixtures, and all of
the bulbs are CFL. I've never had one last less than 5 years, and most last
much, much longer.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 11:52 am
From: Marsha

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> Arumugham wrote:
>
>> Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
>> washing machine as far as possible.
>
>
> Assuming one needs to use a dryer (in NJ, the humidity is such that
> drying clothes on a line may *never* happen :-( ), is it more efficient
> to use a higher heat for a shorter period of time, or a lower heat for a
> longer period?
>

Can you use a drying rack or string a line inside your house, at least
to partially dry your clothes? Do an extra spin cycle to help get more
water out. Every little bit helps, plus air drying makes things last
longer.

Marsha/Ohio

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 1:39 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
> Arumugham wrote

>> Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of washing machine as far as possible.

> I thought you people in India washed your clothing in the river.

Nope, not enough rivers, they breed like flys.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 1:50 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Evelyn C. Leeper" <eleeper@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:488c8939$0$20919$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Arumugham wrote:
>> Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
>> washing machine as far as possible.
>
> Assuming one needs to use a dryer (in NJ, the humidity is such that drying
> clothes on a line may *never* happen :-( ), is it more efficient to use a
> higher heat for a shorter period of time, or a lower heat for a longer
> period?
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> Just because everything is different doesn't mean
> anything has changed. -Irene Peter

i've read that your clothes remain germy until they're put in the dryer or
dried in sunlight.
even if you wash in hot water. i'd guess chlorine bleach would kill germs,
but you can't
use that on colors.

i dry my clothes on a medium setting. too hot isn't good for fabrics, plus
if it runs for an
hr on high, it costs more than on med and med for an hr is usually enough.

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"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice
cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
everything." -- Josef V. Stalin

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>

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 4:33 pm
From: Tim Smith

In article
<351df7b5-9381-43ff-99bd-24be5d31ac76@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Arumugham <n.arumugham@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keep light fixtures clean to get optimum light.

How will that save electricity? The bulb doesn't know or care that some
of the light it is producing gets blocked by a dirty fixture. It's
going to consume the same electricity either way.

--
--Tim Smith

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TOPIC: How to stop debt collectors from calling?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 11:12 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

Sorry -- I forgot to say also that an inexpensive solution might be to
get her a prepaid cell phone like a Tracfone or one of the others, pay
for at least several months of service, then when the bill collectors
call, tell them that she has a new phone number and give them that number.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 11:52 am
From: George Grapman

Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply wrote:
> Sorry -- I forgot to say also that an inexpensive solution might be to
> get her a prepaid cell phone like a Tracfone or one of the others, pay
> for at least several months of service, then when the bill collectors
> call, tell them that she has a new phone number and give them that number.

A few years ago I kept getting calls for a person who I did not know.
The out of stare law firm calling insisted that I must know her because
she had given my number as a contact. They refused to believe that it
was either an error or intentional fraud. The calls stopped when I did a
google search , found the name of a senior partner in the firm and told
his secretary I was prepared to file a complaint with the local bar
association.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 11:58 am
From: Vic Smith

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:52:52 -0700, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

>Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply wrote:
>> Sorry -- I forgot to say also that an inexpensive solution might be to
>> get her a prepaid cell phone like a Tracfone or one of the others, pay
>> for at least several months of service, then when the bill collectors
>> call, tell them that she has a new phone number and give them that number.
>
>
> A few years ago I kept getting calls for a person who I did not know.
>The out of stare law firm calling insisted that I must know her because
>she had given my number as a contact.

That kind of thinking - reasonable on the surface - leads to
conspiracy theories and innocent people in jail.

--Vic

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 1:50 pm
From: phil scott

On Jul 26, 10:17 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Yeah, I'm sure you're saying "Pay them", or something like that, but it's
> a lot more complicated, and the debt is not mine.
>
> We own a double, and we live on the south side. For the past couple of
> years, my sister has lived on the north side. She pays a bit of rent to
> help out, but she doesn't make a lot at her job, so she didn't have a phone.
> I wired a connection over there so that she could occasionally make outgoing
> calls if she needed to.
>
> Long story short, 10 years ago she had a messy divorce, where her husband
> took off with her best friend. She then found out he owed a LOT of money,
> which he had hidden from her. Despite his assurances of taking care of it,
> he took the cheaper way out of bankruptcy, which left my sister holding the
> bag. All of the creditors went after her. (this was when she lived in
> Michigan)
>
> She paid what she could, but it wasn't much. Fast forward 10 years. My
> sister tells me that the "statute of limitations" is long past, and that no
> one can still try to collect for any of the past debts. But guess what?
> They are. Any given day, we receive between half a dozen to a dozen
> automated phone calls. 3 or 4 of these leave messages asking for her to
> call them back about a "personal business matter", and always have a part
> that says "by continuing to listen to this message, you acknowledge receipt
> of the message".
>
> It is getting pretty annoying. It started about a year ago, and it has
> gotten worse and worse over time, instead of abating like she told us it
> should. It appears that even 10 years later, the debt is being sold to new
> companies, and they are going after her with a continuous barrage of
> telephone calls and messages. The annoying thing is that it is on OUR line,
> and our machine, which she doesn't check.
>
> Is there anything we can do in order to stop all of these harassing calls?
>
> Thanks!

change the number.... no way in hell will any of the sharks collect.

Phil scott

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 1:58 pm
From: "Dave"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:g6fm7m$efd$1@aioe.org...
> Yeah, I'm sure you're saying "Pay them", or something like that, but
it's
> a lot more complicated, and the debt is not mine.
>
> We own a double, and we live on the south side. For the past couple of
> years, my sister has lived on the north side. She pays a bit of rent to
> help out, but she doesn't make a lot at her job, so she didn't have a
phone.
> I wired a connection over there so that she could occasionally make
outgoing
> calls if she needed to.
>
> Long story short, 10 years ago she had a messy divorce, where her
husband
> took off with her best friend. She then found out he owed a LOT of money,
> which he had hidden from her. Despite his assurances of taking care of
it,

(snip long story)

You've gotten lots of advice, some of it good. If you have VOIP service,
log onto your account online, and add each bill collector's phone number to
the black list.

If you don't have VOIP, get it. Have your number transferred to the VOIP
line. THEN put each of the bill collector's numbers on the black
ist. -Dave

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 2:00 pm
From: phil scott

On Jul 27, 11:10 am, Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
<samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
> OhioGuy wrote:
>
> > Is there anything we can do in order to stop all of these harassing calls?
>
> I was told by the people who called me (when I shattered my wrist and
> had practically no income coming in for months) that if I made *some*
> payment, even if it wasn't a full payment, that they would stop calling.

on a thinly related issue.. if you have a debt about to go past the
statute of limitations, some bogus over billed amount from a hospital
for instance (over billing is common... and people without insurance
get billed 2x or more than insurance companies on many cases)...and
you pay even one cent on it..the statute of limitations resets...
expect another 7 years of harrassment.

in that case a good button to learn how to use on yer cell phone is
the little red one, says 'end' on it.... but you must do it in the
first second or so before your blood pressure goes up.... just hold
the cell in your left hand and using your right index finger press
down on the button.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 2:56 pm
From: George Grapman

phil scott wrote:
> On Jul 27, 11:10 am, Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
> <samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
>> OhioGuy wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anything we can do in order to stop all of these harassing calls?
>> I was told by the people who called me (when I shattered my wrist and
>> had practically no income coming in for months) that if I made *some*
>> payment, even if it wasn't a full payment, that they would stop calling.
>
>
>
> on a thinly related issue.. if you have a debt about to go past the
> statute of limitations, some bogus over billed amount from a hospital
> for instance (over billing is common... and people without insurance
> get billed 2x or more than insurance companies on many cases)...and
> you pay even one cent on it..the statute of limitations resets...
> expect another 7 years of harrassment.
>
> in that case a good button to learn how to use on yer cell phone is
> the little red one, says 'end' on it.... but you must do it in the
> first second or so before your blood pressure goes up.... just hold
> the cell in your left hand and using your right index finger press
> down on the button.
>
>
>
>
"MUTE" also works. They keep talking and get very upset when they
think you hung up.

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TOPIC: O.T. defeating terrorism
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 12:03 pm
From: A Veteran

"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 12:23 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:03:07 -0700, in misc.consumers.frugal-living A Veteran
<georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

>"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
>Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
>high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
>does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
>undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
>sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
>helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
>reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
>___________________________________________________

The USA government is a terrorist organization!

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 1:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

A Veteran <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

Terrorism is driven by a hell of a lot more than just that stuff.

Its been endemic in some societys like Afghanistan for centurys now.

> Where people feel powerless, it helps them organize for change,

Many of them dont want change.

> and where people are powerful, it reminds them of their responsibility."

They dont care what you think is their responsibility.

> ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
> ___________________________________________________

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TOPIC: Bikini Line Hair Removal The Easy Way
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 1:24 pm
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TOPIC: how to survive the heat and cold on a low budget
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 1:46 pm
From: phil scott

Keep the house more or less at outside tempurature, except in the
winter heat it to 45F or so... then sleep and read and watch da tee
veee in one room.... that one you keep heated and cooled with a
chinese window heat pump..... costs about $200 bucks.

then at night in the winter set its thermostat to 50F or so, and use a
matrress warmer.

if you want to run even cheaper in hot weather, put yer easy chair and
bed near the air conditioner and put the fan ON and set the thermostat
up to 78F or so... the breeze and dehumidified air will keep you cool.

If you want to save even more, insulate the windows with reflective
insulation about 1" thick.... blow some extra insulation into the
attic above the room, insulate the floor of the room under the
house.....and walk around free bird :).... coolness will ensue.

cheap.

Phil scott (hvac contractor)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 5:39 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:46:38 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
<phil@philscott.net> wrote:

>
>Keep the house more or less at outside tempurature, except in the
>winter heat it to 45F or so... then sleep and read and watch da tee
>veee in one room.... that one you keep heated and cooled with a
>chinese window heat pump..... costs about $200 bucks.
>
An electric space heater might work better for that room up north.
>
>then at night in the winter set its thermostat to 50F or so, and use a
>matrress warmer.

A mattress heating pad does work wonders.
>
>if you want to run even cheaper in hot weather, put yer easy chair and
>bed near the air conditioner and put the fan ON and set the thermostat
>up to 78F or so... the breeze and dehumidified air will keep you cool.
>
We keep the A/C on 80F, sometimes 79F. Ceiling fans make that pretty
tolerable.
>
>If you want to save even more, insulate the windows with reflective
>insulation about 1" thick.... blow some extra insulation into the
>attic above the room, insulate the floor of the room under the
>house.....and walk around free bird :).... coolness will ensue.
>
>cheap.
>
That's right. Why heat and cool places you don't use much.
But I spend a lot of time in the basement or outside.
My wife, who cooks, cleans house, etc, has other ideas about
how to heat and cool the house.

--Vic

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 6:27 pm
From: phil scott

On Jul 27, 5:39 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:46:38 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
>
> <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
>
> >Keep the house more or less at outside tempurature, except in the
> >winter heat it to 45F or so... then sleep and read and watch da tee
> >veee in one room.... that one you keep heated and cooled with a
> >chinese window heat pump..... costs about $200 bucks.
>
> An electric space heater might work better for that room up north.
>
>
>
> >then at night in the winter set its thermostat to 50F or so, and use a
> >matrress warmer.
>
> A mattress heating pad does work wonders.
>
> >if you want to run even cheaper in hot weather, put yer easy chair and
> >bed near the air conditioner and put the fan ON and set the thermostat
> >up to 78F or so... the breeze and dehumidified air will keep you cool.
>
> We keep the A/C on 80F, sometimes 79F. Ceiling fans make that pretty
> tolerable.
>
> >If you want to save even more, insulate the windows with reflective
> >insulation about 1" thick.... blow some extra insulation into the
> >attic above the room, insulate the floor of the room under the
> >house.....and walk around free bird :).... coolness will ensue.
>
> >cheap.
>
> That's right. Why heat and cool places you don't use much.
> But I spend a lot of time in the basement or outside.
> My wife, who cooks, cleans house, etc, has other ideas about
> how to heat and cool the house.
>
> --Vic

you are right about the electric heater for a room in cold climates..
heat pumps fade fast below 35F outside temps .. or so.

re the wife, maybe you can tell her she looks hot in thick socks, long
pants and heavy sweaters..

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TOPIC: ot: non partisan humor
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 1:46 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a
truck and dies..
His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance..
'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there
is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so
we're not sure what to do with you.'
'No problem, just let me in,' says the man.
'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have
you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then yo u can choose where to
spend eternity.'
'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the senator.
'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'
And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the
elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds
himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a
clubhouse
and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who
had
worked with him.
Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake
his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at
the
expense of the people.
They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and
champagne.
Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good
time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that
before
he realizes it, it is time to go.
Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...
The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter
is waiting for him.
'Now it's time to visit heaven.'
So, 24 hours pass
with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to
cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he
realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose
your eternity.'
The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would never
have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would
be
better off in hell.'
So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to
hell.
Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land
covered with waste and garbage.
He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting
it in black bags as more trash falls from above.
The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around
his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the senator. 'Yesterday I was
here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and
caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just
a
wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?'
The devil looks at him, smiles and says, 'Yesterday we were campaigning..
Today you voted.'

--
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"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice
cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
everything." -- Josef V. Stalin

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TOPIC: christian the lion w/new footage
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 1:47 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btuxO-C2IzE

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TOPIC: WARNING RE PURITAN'S PRIDE SHIPPMENTS
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 4:27 pm
From: idesofmarch

Don't count on getting your Puritan's Pride vitamins/supplements order
on time; in good condition, since their main method of shipping is UPS
(united parcel service)

UPS has repeatedly ignored instructions to require a signature to ensure
delivery to the right party, leaves stuff with neighbors anyways. My
last order of nutritional oils had to be thrown away because the UPS
driver left the stuff in the sun (on purpose I suspect, following my
complaints to UPS).

Faxes to the CEO of Puritan's Pride, Scott Rudolf (German SS? ha!) has
been ignored about this issue. Apparently, he does not give a sh*t.

If anyone knows a better supplier with better shipping please post here.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 5:56 pm
From: Mark Thorson

idesofmarch wrote:
>
> UPS has repeatedly ignored instructions to require a signature to ensure
> delivery to the right party, leaves stuff with neighbors anyways. My
> last order of nutritional oils had to be thrown away because the UPS
> driver left the stuff in the sun (on purpose I suspect, following my
> complaints to UPS).

No, it's because the international worldwide Big Pharma
conspiracy has identified you as an enemy. Accelerating
the oxidation of your oils is how we are planning to
kill you. Sorry about that, but business concerns come
first. :-)

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TOPIC: The chickens have arrived
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Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 5:26 pm
From: Terri

lisajoe@privacy.net wrote in
news:kjdp84hmno78m37vu761eugumcijh5j83n@4ax.com:

>
>
> I so miss having chickens but now I am in the city and can only have
> three of them and it seems like too much work.. :(

You're fairly lucky you can have even one.
Many years ago a woman in the adjacent city of Eagle had a little
banty for a pet. She had a small chicken house built of it to scale
that matched her own.
The neighbors got together and enforced the no livestock rule
and she had to get rid of it.

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> On 26 Jul 2008 17:07:21 GMT, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Terri
><Terri@micron.net> wrote:
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>>hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote in
>>news:l06g74h9vf09si0uh8k9krfge3m9l4g2gf@4ax.com:
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>>
>>>
>>> More like a combination tiller fertilizer machine. Chickens dig into
>>> the ground for nutritious snacks and to create dust baths. They are
>>> looking a little cleaner today because of their dusting themselves.
>>> They also eat like pigs.
>>Chickens are on our list for next year but right now we have wild
>>chickens that do that. Wild chickens=so many quail we might as well have
>>little chickens.

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TOPIC: FWD Having fun with Debitas (a bill collection agency)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/91b55d1cae04a375?hl=en
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Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 6:22 pm
From: phil scott

Having fun with Debitas
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After having an all out argument with Capital One where my card was
used fraudulently - they decided because I take care of my card then
it MUST be my fault.

So they passed it over to Debitas who have written the normal
threatening letters, so I have written to them asking for the CCA etc.
They have been calling persistently now for weeks - so today I decided
to have some fun:

I need to point a couple of things out to those that haven't read the
whole thread
* I do not recognise the debt as mine, I didn't spend the money so I'm
not giving my good hard earned cash to capital one just because they
think I should be liable for the fraud that happened on my card
* I am taking the correct legal action against Debitas through post -
hence the reason I also refuse to deal with them on the phone
* CAB are seeking some legal advice on my behalf as to whether I can
use the recorded calls
* CAB are also seeking legal advice as to how I would claim against
them for harassment - CAB are adamant that they have breached several
codes of conduct

So, the serious bits are being taken care of - but for now, I'm still
gonna enjoy putting these bully boys in their place.

Debitas: Hello can I speak to Mr X
Me: You are
Debitas: Ok, can you confirm your date of birth
Me: Nope
Debitas: Sorry
Me: You're forgiven
Debitas: Sorry
Me: ...
Debitas: I guess you know what this is about - call us back (hangs up)

Call 2:
Debitas: Hello can I speak to Mr X
Me: Who?
Debitas: Mr X
Me: Why would you like to speak to him?
Debitas: Sorry...?
Me: You're forgiven
Debitas: Is this Mr X
Me: Oh, well why don't you tell me your name first
Debitas: That's irrelevant
Me: But if you want to get to know me then it's only right I get to
know you as well
Debitas: (hangs up)

Call 3:
Debitas: Hello, can I speak to Mr X
Me: He's dead
Debitas: Oh, can you send us a copy of the death certificate?
Me: Nope - I don't know who you are
Debitas: We are Debitas Legal Services part of the capital one group
Me: And...?
Debitas: Erm, give me a sec (hangs up)

Call 4:
Debitas: Hello, can I...
Me: (interupting) I was just sleeping
Debitas: Can I speak to...
Me: (interupting) What, I'm going back to sleep (hangs up)

Call 5:
Debitas: Hello, can I speak to Mr X
Me: Only if I can speak to Santa Claus
Debitas: Sorry (hangs up)

I'm getting to enjoy this now - what other questions should I ask?

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Some more calls from them today...

Me: Why hello Debitas, I was worried about you
Debitas: Can I speak to Mr X
Me: Where have you been, you've not called since last night
Debitas: Can I speak to Mr X please
Me: But you haven't explained why you didn't call me
Debitas: Sorry
Me: Well it's been 12 hours since your last call
Debitas: Are you Mr X?
Me: What does your screen tell you?
Debitas: I need to confirm some security questions
Me: That's nice
Debitas: Can you confirm your date of birth?
Me: Maybe - can you ask me nicely
Debitas: I'll call you back in 20 mins (hangs up)

Debitas: Hello, can I speak to Mr X?
Me: Who?
Debitas: Mr X
Me: And why do you want to speak to him
Debitas: That's confidential
Me: So are his whereabouts so we're at a stalemate aren't we?
Debitas: Erm.......(hangs up)

Me: Oh thank goodness you called
Debitas: Can I speak to Mr X please?
Me: Who is calling?
Debitas: Debitas
Me: Why are you calling
Debitas: To discuss an outstanding capital one debt
Me: Thank you for breaching the DPA - this call has been recorded
(hangs up)

I'm looking forward to my next call

Just had another one

Debitas: Can I speak to Mr X please?
Me: Maybe
Debitas: Can you confirm your date of birth?
Me: 25/12/00
Debitas: Sorry
Me: 25/12/00 - I am Jesus
Debitas: Sorry
Me: That's Ok, I forgive all sins
Debitas: Is this Mr X
Me: You are speaking to Jesus
Debitas: Urm.....(hangs up)

Me: Hello, Napolean Bonepart speaking
Debitas: Can I speak to Mr X
Me: No, you're speaking to Napolean Bonepart
Debitas: Is Mr X there?
Me: Yes, he's being sedated, I am Napolean
Debitas: Can you ask Mr X to call us
Me: Do you speak French
Debitas: Erm, No
Me: pourquoi vous n'allez pas bâton votre tête vers le haut de votre
fond (why don't you go stick your head up your bottom)
Debitas: Sorry, I don't speak French
Me: I AM NAPOLEAN!!
Debitas: .... (hangs up)

Me: Hello, Mr X speaking
Debitas: Is that Mr X?
Me: No, it's Mr X
Debitas: Can you tell me your date of birth
Me: Only if you tell me yours
Debitas: I can see you're not willing to help yourself
Me: Help myself to what? Are yu giving something away?
Debitas: We'll call you back (hangs up)

Me: Hello
Debitas: Can I speak to Mr X
Me: You'll have to speak up, I lost my hearing aid
Debitas: (shouting) Can I speak to Mr X
Me: Speaking - how can I help you
Debitas: This is Mr Y from Debitas
Me: Sorry - speak up
Debitas: (shouting) This is Mr Y from Debitas, I need you to pass some
security questions
Me: That's nice
Debitas: Can you confirm your date of birth and post code?
Me: Sorry - speak up boy!
Debitas: Can you confirm your date of birth and post code?
Me: I don't really want to
Debitas: If it makes you feel any better, these details are available
to the public on the electoral role
Me: Great! Why don't you confirm my details there and call me back!!
Debitas: How is that confirming your identity?
Me: Speak up
Debitas: (shouting) How is that confirming your identity
Me: I don't need to confirm my identity - I know who I am
Debitas: Right Mr X, I assume you know what this is about, have you
received our letters?
Me: Oh hang on, I've just found my hearing aid
Debitas: You are not helping yourself and you'll learn this in the
future
Me: Oh dear - are you gonna send the boys around?
Debitas: A bailiff may be sent around
Me: Oh I hope he's the rugby type - does he have a firm bum?
Debitas: Keep your mobile on Mr X (hangs up)

I'm now sure they are just passing my number around the office, here's
the next instalment!

Me: Hello emergency services, how may I direct your call?
Debitas: I am looking for Mr X
Me: Are you in need of help from police, fire or ambulance sir?
Debitas: Sorry
Me: You are through to the emergency services - what is your
emergency?
Debitas: ... (hangs up)

These are surely the last calls of the evening:

Me: Hello, thank you for calling Mr X, Calls may be recorded for
quality and monitoring purposes. Please select from the following
options to continue...
Debitas: (silence)
Me: Press 1 if you are a moron, Press 2 if you are cute, Press 3 if
you'd like some money, Press 4 if you'd like to give me some money or
press the hash key to get high
Debitas: (a button is pressed)
Me: (hangs up)

Immediately afterwards, I mean seconds since the previous call!!

Me: (groan) Grrrrrrrrrrr, Hello
Debitas: Can I speak to Mr X?
Me: nnnnnnnn, uuuuuuurrrrr, groan, grrrrrrr .... yeah, who's calling?
Debitas: It's debitas
Me: Ok, give me a....groan....sec.....ggrrrrr, oooooucch, aaaaargh,
ooooooo, Aaaaah!
Debitas: Are you ok?
Me: Yup, uuuuurgh, aaah, .... just finishing
Debitas: (hangs up)

I'm sure they won't call after 9pm - at least I'm hoping they won't
cause I'm running out of ideas!!

THEY HAD THE CHEEK TO JUST CALL AGAIN!!

Me: Hulo
Debitas: Hello, can I speak to Mr X
Me: Who?
Debitas: Mr X, who am I speaking to?
Me: It's the burglars
Debitas: Sorry?
Me: It's the burglars - we're just leaving there's not much here
Debitas: Is Mr X there?
Me: I hope not, he might catch me
Debitas: Who is this?
Me: it's the burglars - you're not too bright are you?
Debitas: What address are you at?
Me: I dunno but there was a window open
Debitas: ... (hangs up)

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