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* Compact Flourescent bulbs - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c541905216cc4817?hl=en
* Trip Report -- Algodones Dentistry - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4b9b5a7e3af81c2f?hl=en
* For Sale: Premodded Video Game Consoles, Backups & Retro Stuff - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6ebfc524ceee1578?hl=en
* Please Help...Need your recommendations - Lasik - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/525539cb42ab1286?hl=en
* refinancing a double to get moved quickly - questions - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c46772999d5969df?hl=en
* Valentine Cards - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/50d1b2c06c894c28?hl=en
* sealant around steel shed - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/168c78c0fe822788?hl=en
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TOPIC: Compact Flourescent bulbs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c541905216cc4817?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 5:00 pm
From: Jeff
Chief Thracian wrote:
>> Energy Star estimates that if all CFLs were landfilled they would
>> add just .1% to the US human contribution of mercury.
>
> Izzat so? Yes, Energy Star claims that "CFLs contain a very small
> amount of mercury...an average of 4 milligrams".
>
> But the following site disagrees:
>
> http://www.nlrlamp.com/householdpak.html
>
> "Over 300 million compact fluorescent bulbs, CFLs, were sold in the US
> last year. A CFL can contain upwards of 5mg of mercury per bulb. Here
> is the math: 5mg of mercury x 300,000,000 CFLs = 3306 lbs of mercury
> that can be going into the trash and eventually into our environment!
> This mercury is an extreme health risk to humans and animals.
Nicely skewed on several counts. First is that EPA estimates 104
metric *tons* of US mercury emission. Second is that 80% of a CFLs
mercury is fused into the glass at it's end of life and is not
leachable. And of course the average is currently just under 4mg, and
falling, not 5 mg.
>
> News article after news article have posed the same question: How &
> where to recycle CFLs? There are very few sustainable recycling
> solutions out there for consumers and businesses. The EPA has released
> guidelines of what to do when a CFL breaks and does offer a few
> resources for recycling to residents. Most of these are local town
> hazardous waste days. The number of CFLs in use are on the rise and as
> a result the issue of recycling is becoming paramount. What good is it
> to "go green" and change to energy saving CFLs if they are just going
> to be thrown out into our landfills at end of life?"
No small player, Home Depot recycles.
>
> (That site BTW, offers a recycling method for CFLs. Go to that page
> for more info.)
>
>> What you should learn form this is to avoid cheap Chinese non rated
>> bulbs
>
> Yes, and the majority of families on a tight budget will readily
> comply by your suggestion.
They are no bargain. They never yield the rated light output nor the
rated lifespan, not even the rated light quality, they should be banned.
Good bulbs at the same price or less are readily available at Walmart.
Doubtless far more are sold there than Big Lots.
And as far as the safety hazard of a broken CFL that is also skewed.
The mercury level does indeed exceed the US limit for *chronic*
exposure. Of course that exposure is not chronic but dissipates in minutes.
All this reminds too much of all the diversions for not doing
something about Global Warming, Cigarette Smoking, Water Quality... And
all this so you can keep your 100W tungsten incandescents.
Jeff
>
>
>
>
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 5:15 pm
From: James
On Aug 18, 7:10 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "JR Weiss" <jrweiss98155rem...@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4ZednRwXO_M4SjTVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Don Klipstein" <d...@manx.misty.com> wrote:
>
> >>> But the biggest gripe I've heard is how hard it is to unload these
> >>>bulbs, and that you have to pay for the privilege.
>
> >> www.lamprecycle.org
>
> >> In most areas, homeowners and home renters are allowed to toss them in
> >> the trash.
>
> >> Preferable is to save a dead CFL until the next time one is making a
> >> trip to the municipality's household hazardous waste disposal event -
> >> still free.
>
> > Around here (Seattle), Home Depot will take CFLs for free, too...
>
> I've had exactly one CFL die in the last 7 years, and that was because the
> lamp was knocked over. The bulb didn't break, either, just ceased working.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I had a GE which lasted only 4 months. I would have been really
pissed if it cost $10 like years ago.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 5:53 pm
From: terryc
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:10:58 -0400, h wrote:
> I've had exactly one CFL die in the last 7 years, and that was because the
> lamp was knocked over. The bulb didn't break, either, just ceased working.
Yep, my Phillips would probably survive a tank driving over it, but an
Osram in its box fell 8' off a shelf and tinkle. I've also had GE come
apart in some sockets where you can not grip the base. Horses for courses.
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TOPIC: Trip Report -- Algodones Dentistry
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4b9b5a7e3af81c2f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 5:09 pm
From: The Real Bev
hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> Just a FYI, your bottom line somehow got posted to the top. :-)
>
> Thanks for the detailed info. Makes me remember the glory days of the
> MFCL group *sniff*. If we need work, this might be something we would
> do. What was the name of the dentist you used? Since the work seemed
> to be good, might be nice to have a reference.
http://www.algodonesdentalimplants.com/
Sister-in-law+husband like http://drconnieayaladds.com/
Big list of dentists plus links to other businesses/services
http://www.losalgodones.com/dental_index.htm
--
Cheers,
Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Calling someone an asshole for being rude to a telemarketer
is like accusing someone who's shot a burglar in his home
of being a poor host." -- W.S.Rowell
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 5:14 pm
From: The Real Bev
me@privacy.net wrote:
> The Real Bev
> <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Yuma. It's not actually ugly, it's just like every other town of
>>similar size in the US that's REALLY warm.
>
> Thanks for that report Bev!!!
>
> I've give some thought to doing the
> Algondes thing as well
>
> However, I always thought Yuma would be
> a pretty town! Guess not huh?
Nope. The high point, tourist-wise, was the Yuma Territorial Jail. We
just looked at the outside. $4 admission. We figured we could get in
for free if we assaulted a cop, but it didn't seem worth it.
We drove around looking for a place open for breakfast and saw nothing
that didn't look like what's known by city planners as "highway
commercial" or residential.
The Algodones dunes, to the west along Highway 8, are spectacular. Our
own little Sahara. Good for ATVs in cooler weather unless the Sierra
Club convinces the asshole politicians that there's some endangered weed
or fly there.
The desert is beautiful, but it's an acquired taste -- especially
without AC. Norther is prettier.
--
Cheers,
Bev
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"Calling someone an asshole for being rude to a telemarketer
is like accusing someone who's shot a burglar in his home
of being a poor host." -- W.S.Rowell
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TOPIC: For Sale: Premodded Video Game Consoles, Backups & Retro Stuff
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6ebfc524ceee1578?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 9:00 pm
From: kevwongpg@yahoo.com
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TOPIC: Please Help...Need your recommendations - Lasik
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/525539cb42ab1286?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 9:16 pm
From: irfanroberts@gmail.com
Please Help...Need your recommendations - Lasik
I am in my mid 50's.
I am contemplating Lasik surgery.
I recently had my eyes tested. The doc said that my grades have not
changed much and that
I would be a good candidate for lasik. He does not offer lasik so he
did not seem
to have a vested interest.
Does anyone in the Bay Area know of any good Lasik surgery centers and
specifically the best doctors to go to?
If anyone has some good recommendations - for the Bay Area -
preferably East Bay.
Please let me know your experience and /or information.
What is the latest technology these days ?
What would be best for a person in his mid 50's?
What are the pitafalls ?
What I should not do ?
How much would it cost per eye ?
Thanks in advance for your recommendations,
Irfan Roberts
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TOPIC: refinancing a double to get moved quickly - questions
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c46772999d5969df?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 10:15 pm
From: Tony Sivori
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:32:34 -0400, OhioGuy wrote:
>>By the way, aren't you the same poster that recently said >you put 30
>>grand in some stock? If so, why are you >acting like you have no
>>resources for necessary home maintenance?
>
> That's an easy one - it's in a Roth IRA. While I can invest the funds
> in
> individual stocks as a value investor, my understanding is that I can't
> liberate these funds to help fix the house without paying huge fees.
>
> Am I wrong about that? If I am, I'd much rather tap my own finances
> than
> take out a new loan. I just always thought there were penalties on
> penalties for taking roth IRA funds out early.
Looks like you'd pay 10% in penalty. There are exceptions, but it doesn't
look to me like they'd apply to you.
http://www.gomestic.com/Personal-Finance/Roth-IRA-Early-Withdrawal-Rules.127832
--
Tony Sivori
Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters.
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TOPIC: Valentine Cards
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/50d1b2c06c894c28?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 11:27 pm
From: freefreehouse@yahoo.com
Websites to provide Free Valentine Cards
http://www.geocities.com/kingcard93/
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TOPIC: sealant around steel shed
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/168c78c0fe822788?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 11:54 pm
From: "john hamilton"
Have just erected a yardmaster tin shed. I need to put a 'sealant' around
the edge of the steel frame base where it sits on the concrete foundation,
to prevent water traveling in under the frame.
I normally get things like sealants from Wickes or Screwfix, but there are a
bewildering array of different sealants available. Would anyone recommend
which would be the one to use in this particular application please?
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