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* Millions of tires subject to recall due to blowout hazard - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e5bd68d9e7fcbe32?hl=en
* Use it or lose it? - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8826541b5009dfa9?hl=en
* Walmart Prices: Urban vs Rural? - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/85719f2d4728a958?hl=en
* CNN: Half-ton woman indicted in slaying of nephew - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/935cc02fc86d96ba?hl=en
* Need efficient energy space heater - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d6763049dc006e36?hl=en
* "Are Teachers Overpaid?" by Mr. Tamim Ansary - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bc0959f836a427e3?hl=en
* I've 3 Cheap Dial-Ups & Want To Upgrade But... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8b63cd812bb931f5?hl=en
* distance a product travelled 2 reach u and its price both matter - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dd48e53a6c83663b?hl=en
* Sanyon Enerloop any good? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1c30a867749390d0?hl=en
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TOPIC: Millions of tires subject to recall due to blowout hazard
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e5bd68d9e7fcbe32?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 3:24 pm
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/consumer/recalls&id=6338125
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 3:26 pm
From: Hugh Wood
On Aug 23, 5:24 pm, ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
> http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/consumer/recalls&id=63...
Overinflation !!!!! Thanks Barry.
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TOPIC: Use it or lose it?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8826541b5009dfa9?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 3:33 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
JR Weiss <jrweiss98155remove@remove.comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> We have no idea what the OP's current investment position is. While he says his only debt is his mortgage, we do not
>>> know the positions or magnitudes of his current investments.
>> You dont know that he has any except that cash he is looking for a decent return on.
>> In fact his 'where to put my money' implys that thats all he has.
> Nope.
Yep.
> We have NO idea of the size of his mortgage
Irrelevant to his CURRENT INVESTMENTS.
> or of the money he is looking to place.
Irrelevant to his CURRENT INVESTMENTS.
> Whatever that amount is, it could well be in addition to retirement accounts such as IRAs and/or 401Ks, and possibly
> in addition to some long-term investments he considers "untouchable."
Pure speculation on your part.
> Without his input, we can make no safe assumptions on those amounts (or lack of).
Thats irrelevant to how to get a decent return on that cash he wants to get a decent return on.
>>> He should select the savings vehicle accordingly.
>> And paying down his mortgage if its a HELOC is STILL going to produce the best after tax return.
> He has no HELOC now.
Never said he did. The word IF is there for a reason.
> We have no idea whether he qualifies for a HELOC now,
Never said he did. The word IF is there for a reason.
> or whether he would qualify for an amount equal to what he wants to "save."
Never said he did. The word IF is there for a reason.
> We have no idea where he lives (other than in the US, which was part of one of the URLs he initially posted), so we
> have no idea as to whether he can pay down his mortgage enough to get a HELOC in the amount he would want.
Never said he did. The word IF is there for a reason.
> We have no idea of his credit rating, so we don't know if he would get a HELOC at a reasonable rate even if he met the
> standard 80% loan-equity criteria.
Never said he did. The word IF is there for a reason.
> Paying down the mortgage rate will REDUCE his interest deductibility
> and REDUCE the interest gotten on the $$ from the current 1.5% to 0! How is that going to give a better after-tax
> return?!?
Because he wouldnt have to pay tax on the interest he gets on that money when
its not used to pay down the mortgage when its put in say a series of CDs instead.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 3:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
JR Weiss <jrweiss98155remove@remove.comcast.net> wrote
> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>> 4.5% on a CD cashable within a few weeks notice? Any examples?
> WAMU in Seattle has 4.51% on 12-18 mo CDs (as of last week; they change every Friday). In the context of building a
> series of staggered CDs like the 2-month stagger I talked about the other day, he can get to that point gradually.
And plenty of accounts outside the country pay 8%, even
in countrys which are quite a safe place to put your money.
Main downside is the added foreign currency conversion rate risk but
thats unlikely to anything like wipe out that dramatic difference in return.
>>> Your principal won't "dwindle to nothing," either. If your mortgage is less than about 6% APR and you are able to
>>> take advantage of its tax deductibility, you would be better off building your emergency savings account than paying
>>> down the mortgage.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont have a clue about the basics.
>> Your math escapes me.
And everyone else with a clue too.
>> I haven't seen a short term CD that has a higher interest rate than a typical mortgage in some 25 years.
> Rough numbers... At a 25% marginal tax rate, a 6% mortgage really "costs" 4.5%.
Pity that the after tax return on those CDs you listed at the top really 'pay' 3.4%.
> Since we don't know what his mortgage rate is now, we don't know what his "cost" of putting $$ into savings vs
> mortgage paydown is. Also, since we don't know his cash flow or current savings, we can only make rough guesses.
> Since he's had the mortgage 5-6 years, it could be at virtually any rate from 4-9%, depending on his creditworthiness
> at the time he took it out. The 6% threshold is merely a point, given some rough assumptions, that paying down the
> mortgage could be seen to be more advantageous than putting the $$ in savings.
On the other hand, it is clear that paying down the mortgage would
normally give a better return on the cash than any alternative except
one of those higher interest CDs outside the country and does avoid
the added foreign currency rate risk.
The main problem with paying down the mortgage is that he
doesnt currently have a HELOC mortgage and it may well cost
more than the savings would be to move to one of those now.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:19 pm
From: The Real Bev
Rod Speed wrote:
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> timeOday wrote:
>>>
>>> Considering the rapid increase in standard of living in China and
>>> India over the last decade or so, and considering we do business
>>> with them, it surprises me that the median US standard of living
>>> really hasn't increased in a generation or so. Some things get
>>> better (e.g. invention of the Internet) while others get worse (e.g.
>>> affordability of beach-front property).
>>>
>> Why would it? Consider that China is doing things we used to do and
>> thats why their standard of living increased.
>>
>> Previously we had lots of good paying manufacturing jobs which
>> enabled a true middle class.
>
> The real middle class never ever was involved in manufacturing jobs.
Certainly not actually having to TOUCH the machinery itself, but they
might have started out that way.
Nobody ever actually defines "the middle class" or "the rich". It's way
easier to despise and wish to soak The Rich when you don't know that
you're one of them.
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 7:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>> timeOday wrote
>>>> Considering the rapid increase in standard of living in China and
>>>> India over the last decade or so, and considering we do business
>>>> with them, it surprises me that the median US standard of living
>>>> really hasn't increased in a generation or so. Some things get
>>>> better (e.g. invention of the Internet) while others get worse
>>>> (e.g. affordability of beach-front property).
>>> Why would it? Consider that China is doing things we used to do and thats why their standard of living increased.
>>> Previously we had lots of good paying manufacturing jobs which enabled a true middle class.
>> The real middle class never ever was involved in manufacturing jobs.
> Certainly not actually having to TOUCH the machinery itself,
Yep, thats nothing like the real middle class.
> but they might have started out that way.
Hardly ever.
> Nobody ever actually defines "the middle class" or "the rich".
Because it isnt really possible to define it. But you never
get the middle class involved in collecting the garbage,
doing the plumbing, working in a factory, or cleaning either.
> It's way easier to despise and wish to soak The Rich when you don't know that you're one of them.
None of the rich ever want the rich to soaked and they certainly know if they are rich or not.
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TOPIC: Walmart Prices: Urban vs Rural?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/85719f2d4728a958?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 3:49 pm
From: Jonathan Grobe
Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and
rural Walmarts? How much latitude do individual store
managers have in pricing?
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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 5:50 pm
From: Jim Elbrecht
Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net> wrote:
>Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and
>rural Walmarts? How much latitude do individual store
>managers have in pricing?
It appears to me - and I don't spend a lot of time shopping at
Walmart- that each store has some cheaper and more expensive items.
I'd call the 3 that I occasionally shop at 'suburban'.
Jim
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:08 pm
From: enigma
Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net> wrote in
news:slrngb14vp.9b3.grobe@worf.netins.net:
> Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and
> rural Walmarts? How much latitude do individual store
> managers have in pricing?
i don't shop at Wal-Mart, but as an ex-retail manager, i can
say that they most likely have "zone pricing" for various
stores, depending on their location. it doesn't so much have
to do with suburban vs rural, but with the various local
economies. most retail companies have 3 to 5 "zones", or
pricing levels.
individual store managers would have very little leeway in
adjusting prices in their store. they would likely be able to
price match a competitor, but they couldn't make the price
lower than the competition. they couldn't match an online
price, only a local competitor. they would need district
manager approval to price match a differently zoned Wal-Mart,
& that would be unlikely unless the other store was within 50
miles or so.
lee
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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:15 pm
From: Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">
enigma wrote:
> Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net> wrote in
> news:slrngb14vp.9b3.grobe@worf.netins.net:
>
>> Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and
>> rural Walmarts? How much latitude do individual store
>> managers have in pricing?
>
> i don't shop at Wal-Mart, but as an ex-retail manager, i can
> say that they most likely have "zone pricing" for various
> stores, depending on their location. it doesn't so much have
> to do with suburban vs rural, but with the various local
> economies. most retail companies have 3 to 5 "zones", or
> pricing levels.
> individual store managers would have very little leeway in
> adjusting prices in their store. they would likely be able to
> price match a competitor, but they couldn't make the price
> lower than the competition. they couldn't match an online
> price, only a local competitor. they would need district
> manager approval to price match a differently zoned Wal-Mart,
> & that would be unlikely unless the other store was within 50
> miles or so.
> lee
>
Does the internet affect such things? I've never really compared
internet pricing to the local stores.
Our local farmer's coop prices their gas according to the town the
station is in. It probably has 8 or 10 of the self serve card stations
scattered around the area.
Dean
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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:09 pm
From: Ann
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:49:29 +0000, Jonathan Grobe wrote:
> Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and rural Walmarts?
There is a rural Walmart Super Center 10 miles south and one 20 miles
north that I think is actually a little smaller. It's not seriously urban
but is in a shopping center that also has a Home Depot. I've never seen a
price on a food item at the local store that's less than at the "urban"
one. The biggest difference in price is on items in the frozen food cases
and bread - about 10-15% higher locally. I don't know if it's as much
urban vs rural as it is that the local store has little competition.
> How
> much latitude do individual store managers have in pricing?
I have zero factual basis for this, but I doubt store managers have much -
if any - say on pricing.
There is an interesting thing that has been progressing for about a year
in the local store's cat food dept. Walmart's prices on brand name food
had been lower than those at supermarkets in the nearest small city,
except when the supermarkets had sales. About a year ago, brand name shelf
space at Walmart began shrinking, replaced by more of Walmart's store
brand. Prices went up to about the same as at the supermarkets. Now
Walmart everyday prices are roughly on average 15% higher.
My point being that Walmart apparently sometimes intentionally prices high
to shift customers to buying a lower priced but more profitable line. Imo
those decisions are made at the corporate rather than local manager level.
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TOPIC: CNN: Half-ton woman indicted in slaying of nephew
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/935cc02fc86d96ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 4:01 pm
From: "Gregory Morrow"
Kel wrote:
On Aug 23, 1:19 am, Justin Case <flybyn...@rumor.com> wrote:
> > Hehe! That and a hell of a lot more. I don't believe this story
> > though. I have never heard of any human weighing that much. five
> > hundred to seven hundred yes, but not nine hundred and up.
>
> don't forget this is a Mexican, probably getting Federal Aid, and mucho
> food stamps, free medical and snacks.
I thought it might be Kris Baker when I read the line
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Or Loafie...
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TOPIC: Need efficient energy space heater
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d6763049dc006e36?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 4:08 pm
From: "wipeout64@hotmail.com"
Has anyone tried a good energy efficient space heater that they can
suggest? I haven't tried any, but found the following.
I.E. http://www.eheat.com/?gclid=COfJ0bW_oZQCFQVfFQodwF17tA
Thanks
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 4:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
wipeout64@hotmail.com wrote:
> Has anyone tried a good energy efficient space heater that they can suggest?
All electrical heaters have the same energy efficiency except in the sense that
where you sit in front of the heater you avoid having to heat the whole room etc.
> I haven't tried any, but found the following.
> I.E. http://www.eheat.com/?gclid=COfJ0bW_oZQCFQVfFQodwF17tA
400W isnt much of a heater.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 4:51 pm
From: BigDog1
On Aug 23, 5:08 pm, "wipeou...@hotmail.com" <wipeou...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Has anyone tried a good energy efficient space heater that they can
> suggest? I haven't tried any, but found the following.
> I.E.http://www.eheat.com/?gclid=COfJ0bW_oZQCFQVfFQodwF17tA
>
> Thanks
No such thing. Electric space heaters that put out enough to make a
difference will make your electric meter spin 'til the bearings squeal.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 4:56 pm
From: max
In article
<e2a758d0-d98b-4dd3-9362-429bf6fe3806@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
"wipeout64@hotmail.com" <wipeout64@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone tried a good energy efficient space heater that they can
> suggest? I haven't tried any, but found the following.
> I.E. http://www.eheat.com/?gclid=COfJ0bW_oZQCFQVfFQodwF17tA
>
> Thanks
Crock of shit.
All electric space heaters are essentially 100% "efficient", regardless
of size. Mounting design can impact this. Fact is, a wall mounted
unit is markedly less efficient since more heat can radiate through the
outside wall. The classic free standing floor unit is the bomb. Yours
is stupid.
your spam is weak, and flaccid.
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TOPIC: "Are Teachers Overpaid?" by Mr. Tamim Ansary
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bc0959f836a427e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 5:29 pm
From: The Real Bev
terryc wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:57:09 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>> terryc wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:51:12 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about the other 90%?
>>>
>>> For those there is porn and sport at all levels and grades.
>>
>> How many jobs are available in those fields? Way smaller number than
>> the number of hopeless losers who figured that's what they'd do when
>> they grew up.
>
> Who is talking about jobs? I'm talking about the bread and circuses
> routine as first started by the romans who dispossed the workers to
> build large estates and then had to feed and entertain them to
> prevent them from rioting.
Well, there's welfare and food stamps, of course, but any entertainment
provided by the government is strictly accidental and probably not even
noticed by the welfare recipients.
Just supporting Social Security (available only to those who actually
worked for a living and some of their dependents) is an increasing
strain; keeping the rest of the unemployed from starving in the streets
without bankrupting the country has GOT to be a problem that Those In
Power ought to be thinking about.
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Crowd: We are! We are!
Person in crowd: I'm not! -- Monty Python
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 5:31 pm
From: The Real Bev
Rod Speed wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>> terryc wrote
>>> The Real Bev wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>> And what matters gets done fine, regardless of the teachers.
>
>>>>> Essentially because those that matter dont need teachers.
>
>>>> What about the other 90%?
>
>>> For those there is porn and sport at all levels and grades.
>
>> How many jobs are available in those fields? Way smaller number than the number of hopeless losers who figured that's
>> what they'd do when they grew up.
>
> Even the hopelessly inadequate teachers do manage
> to teach even those how to read and watch TV etc.
Don't be so sure about the reading. There's a not-negligible percentage
of functional illiterates in the USA. You don't have any of those?
--
Cheers, Bev
============================================================
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Crowd: We are! We are!
Person in crowd: I'm not! -- Monty Python
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 7:11 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> terryc wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:57:09 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> terryc wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:51:12 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What about the other 90%?
>>>>
>>>> For those there is porn and sport at all levels and grades.
>>>
>>> How many jobs are available in those fields? Way smaller number
>>> than the number of hopeless losers who figured that's what they'd
>>> do when they grew up.
>>
>> Who is talking about jobs? I'm talking about the bread and circuses
>> routine as first started by the romans who dispossed the workers to
>> build large estates and then had to feed and entertain them to
>> prevent them from rioting.
>
> Well, there's welfare and food stamps, of course, but any
> entertainment provided by the government is strictly accidental and
> probably not even noticed by the welfare recipients.
> Just supporting Social Security (available only to those who actually
> worked for a living and some of their dependents) is an increasing
> strain; keeping the rest of the unemployed from starving in the
> streets without bankrupting the country has GOT to be a problem that
> Those In Power ought to be thinking about.
Nope, not when the unemployment rate is only 5.x%
At that rate, anyone who isnt grossly disabled who doesnt want to
starve can always get a job, even if it may not be a job they like much.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 7:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>> terryc wrote
>>>> The Real Bev wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> And what matters gets done fine, regardless of the teachers.
>>>>>> Essentially because those that matter dont need teachers.
>>>>> What about the other 90%?
>>>> For those there is porn and sport at all levels and grades.
>>> How many jobs are available in those fields? Way smaller number than the number of hopeless losers who figured
>>> that's what they'd do when they grew up.
>> Even the hopelessly inadequate teachers do manage
>> to teach even those how to read and watch TV etc.
> Don't be so sure about the reading.
I know they do.
> There's a not-negligible percentage of functional illiterates in the USA.
Functional illiterates are that way not because of any deficiency of the teachers.
> You don't have any of those?
Nope, not anymore. We used to have some, and even they can be taught to read if they want to read.
We do have a few that dont bother, just like we have hordes of
imigrants that dont bother to speak the language or read english.
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TOPIC: I've 3 Cheap Dial-Ups & Want To Upgrade But...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8b63cd812bb931f5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 5:53 pm
From: Gordon
Windswept@Home (Jack) wrote in news:48ade0ae.38614500@news-
60.giganews.com:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:26:19 +0200 (CEST), Gordon
> <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>
>>Relaxin@home.net (Liberal's Worst Nightmare) wrote in
>>news:48ad805f.13959203@news.datemas.de:
>>
>>> The cheapest dial-up yields at least one busy signal every third day
>>> and downloads 24-48 kbps.
>>>
>>> Another one rarely has a busy signal, downloads 24-48, and has a
nice
>>> Usenet server.
>>>
>>> The third one never has a busy signal but dowload speed never tops
28.
>>>
>>> Total monthly cost for all 3 is about the same as one DSL which is
now
>>> available here.
>>>
>>> Sure would like to have DSL to see video clips, youtube, etc.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the reports about DSL product reliability and lousy
>>> support have scared me off.
>>
>>Join the 21st Century and get DSL. Plenty of people have DSL
>>and never experience a problem. If you like Unenet, you may
>>want to keep the dialup that has the good usenet server. You may
>>be able to log into the server from your DSL connection. Try it
>>and see.
>
> Sure would like to.
>
> Yeah, I understand that you can keep a dial-up for back up but need to
> remove the DSL stuff and revert to the dial-up wiring and connection
> set-up.
Nope. They can co-exist. Dial up will still use your modem and the DUN
to establish the connection. DSL will use a NIC (network connection).
I was thinking more in terms of maintianing access to the news server.
Most of the big national telcomms were blackmailed by NY state Atty
Como into dropping most of the news groups from their servers except
for the big eight hierarchies. So now it is necessary to have access
to a better news server if you want to get the alt groups. You can
buy into a priemium server it you like. But if the dialup ISP with
the good server is cheap enough, it may be worth it to maintain a
user account just to have access to their server.
Now, understand somthing. Just because the news server is maintained
by a dial up ISP, you don't have to dial into it. With your DSL link
active, you should be able to access the news server via the internet.
Just provide your user name and authentication information just like you
do now.
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TOPIC: distance a product travelled 2 reach u and its price both matter
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 5:59 pm
From: kvca65@gmail.com
Hi, do we really have the time to care for our future? If so, lets
wait a few more moments before making a purchase. Pl make sure that
the purchase of a product u r making is as far as possible, produced/
made/available from the resources near u. This would reduce your
greenhouse trace. Coming generation would be grateful to you. Find a
product that is costing less(this takes a bit of your time) but its
worth the money u save in the end/
Regards. Pl join if you can share the way in which v make our planet
more hospita'ble and liveable for our coming gens/
Chandu
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TOPIC: Sanyon Enerloop any good?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:32 pm
From: The Real Bev
Rod Speed wrote:
> me@privacy.net wrote:
>> Sanyo has rechargeable battery system called Enerloop
>>
>> I have a Texas Instruments 84 graphing calculator and
>> various other small devices that seem to eat up AA and
>> AAA batteries.
>>
>> Would it be frugal to buy this Sanyo system instead of
>> throw away batteries?
Eneloop, not Enerloop.
> Depends on whether the calculator can handle the lower battery voltage.
I have some of the Duracell equivalent for my Canon A720IS camera which
work quite well. They don't cost much more than regular or
fast-charge NiMH batteries and the fact that they don't self-discharge
quickly is a real boon.
--
Cheers, Bev
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