Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 12 topics

Saturday, August 23, 2008

25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: "Are Teachers Overpaid?" by Mr. Tamim Ansary
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bc0959f836a427e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 11:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> terryc wrote
>> The Real Bev wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> And what matters gets done fine, regardless of the teachers.

>>>> Essentially because those that matter dont need teachers.

>>> What about the other 90%?

>> For those there is porn and sport at all levels and grades.

> How many jobs are available in those fields? Way smaller number than the number of hopeless losers who figured that's
> what they'd do when they grew up.

Even the hopelessly inadequate teachers do manage
to teach even those how to read and watch TV etc.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 1:58 am
From: "Stephanie"

terryc wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:51:12 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>
>> What about the other 90%?
>
> For those there is porn and sport at all levels and grades.

Idiocracy.

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TOPIC: Vote for John McCain.. a mans man...not some pointy nose, smart guy.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4f41a0c9e221cb6f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 1:59 am
From: "Stephanie"

phil scott wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWakF5XgYM&NR=1

Usenet is truely dead.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 2:44 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Stephanie <haaa@noway.net> wrote
> phil scott wrote

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWakF5XgYM&NR=1

> Usenet is truely dead.

Reports of its death are greatly exaggerated.

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TOPIC: Air filters, HEPA filters, HEPA purifiers
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e72effb15703c4b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 2:22 am
From: "david7gable@aol.com"

The question is, do air filters work? We have a one-room basement
apartment in our home, where, alas, the dust gathers in copious
quantities, at least compared to upstairs. Would a good air filter or
air purifier essentially remove the dust from the atmosphere? Which
filter or purifier do you recommend?

-david gable

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 2:39 am
From: "Rod Speed"

david7gable@aol.com wrote:

> The question is, do air filters work?

Nope.

> We have a one-room basement apartment in our home, where, alas, the
> dust gathers in copious quantities, at least compared to upstairs. Would a
> good air filter or air purifier essentially remove the dust from the atmosphere?

Not if thats all you do.

> Which filter or purifier do you recommend?

None of them.

I have found that fully air conditioned rooms do eliminate the dust problem.

Rather an expensive fix tho.

Why does the dust matter ?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 5:20 am
From: "Bill"

HEPA is the best. You can get HEPA air cleaners at Walmart for an "arm"
(instead of an arm and a leg). The larger models are more quiet.

<david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> The question is, do air filters work? We have a one-room basement
> apartment in our home, where, alas, the dust gathers in copious
> quantities, at least compared to upstairs. Would a good air filter or
> air purifier essentially remove the dust from the atmosphere? Which
> filter or purifier do you recommend?
>
> -david gable

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 7:13 am
From: Al Bundy

david7gable@aol.com wrote:
> The question is, do air filters work? We have a one-room basement
> apartment in our home, where, alas, the dust gathers in copious
> quantities, at least compared to upstairs. Would a good air filter or
> air purifier essentially remove the dust from the atmosphere? Which
> filter or purifier do you recommend?
>
> -david gable

There is no hope unless you are willing to address the whole home
environment.
I have a friend who is like the neat freak in the Odd Couple show. The
guy keeps nothing that is not being used. There are no carpets. All
the floors are finished wood. The furniture is wood or leather. He
cleans constantly. I took his six year old computer tower apart and
there was no dust. The fan blades were clean black plastic. I have
never seen such a thing before except in the clean rooms of
pharmaceutical labs. If you are not crazy or willing to spend a
fortune, just do what you can to avoid the dust producers and enjoy
life.

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TOPIC: Exploding iPods!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/20415c036fa62cee?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 3:33 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <U62dnai4WonIsDDVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@giganews.com>,
Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Shawn Hirn wrote:
> > In article <LP6dnUlQWLOSejHVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Shawn Hirn wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am a long time Apple user and that hasn't been my experience at all. I
> >>> own one of those first generation iPod nanos, which was a gift. I also
> >>> own an Apple G5 PowerMac, an Apple MacPro (Intel-based) and an Apple
> >>> MacBook Pro (Intel based) and all of them work beautifully. I am using
> >>> the MacBook Pro to type this message.
>
> >> Do you have an ATI x1900 XT graphics card in your Mac Pro?
> >
> > No. I have a first-generation MacBook Pro which has the Radeon X1600
> > graphics card.
>
> You said you had a Mac Pro too. (the tower, not the laptop).
>
> The first generation MacBook Pros were so hot you couldn't put them on
> your lap and use them. I have the 2nd gen one that fixed that problem.

Sorry, I was tired when I read your question. I have a MacBook Pro
(laptop) at home and a MacPro (tower) at work in my office. I am home so
I can't look at what my MacPro has, but if you write to me privately, I
will tell you what graphics card it has when I am at work next, which
will be this Tuesday.

My MacBook Pro does get hot, but I can use it in my lap for a little
while before it gets uncomfortable. I have a little platform for it
though with a USB fan, which solves the problem.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:05 am
From: "Mocassin Joe"

"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-46B542.06331223082008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <U62dnai4WonIsDDVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
>> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>> > In article <LP6dnUlQWLOSejHVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> > Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I am a long time Apple user and that hasn't been my experience at
>> >>> all. I
>> >>> own one of those first generation iPod nanos, which was a gift. I
>> >>> also
>> >>> own an Apple G5 PowerMac, an Apple MacPro (Intel-based) and an Apple
>> >>> MacBook Pro (Intel based) and all of them work beautifully. I am
>> >>> using
>> >>> the MacBook Pro to type this message.
>>
>> >> Do you have an ATI x1900 XT graphics card in your Mac Pro?
>> >
>> > No. I have a first-generation MacBook Pro which has the Radeon X1600
>> > graphics card.
>>
>> You said you had a Mac Pro too. (the tower, not the laptop).
>>
>> The first generation MacBook Pros were so hot you couldn't put them on
>> your lap and use them. I have the 2nd gen one that fixed that problem.
>
> Sorry, I was tired when I read your question. I have a MacBook Pro
> (laptop) at home and a MacPro (tower) at work in my office. I am home so
> I can't look at what my MacPro has, but if you write to me privately, I
> will tell you what graphics card it has when I am at work next, which
> will be this Tuesday.
>
> My MacBook Pro does get hot, but I can use it in my lap for a little
> while before it gets uncomfortable. I have a little platform for it
> though with a USB fan, which solves the problem.

Is that little platform with fan an Apple option? My MIL has suffered third
degree burns from using her MacBook, and I would love to buy the little
platform for her. Your help would be appreciated.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 9:14 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <qVTrk.16618$vX2.10322@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
"Mocassin Joe" <jmocasanto@comcast.net> wrote:

> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:srhi-46B542.06331223082008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article <U62dnai4WonIsDDVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Shawn Hirn wrote:
> >> > In article <LP6dnUlQWLOSejHVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >> > Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Shawn Hirn wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I am a long time Apple user and that hasn't been my experience at
> >> >>> all. I
> >> >>> own one of those first generation iPod nanos, which was a gift. I
> >> >>> also
> >> >>> own an Apple G5 PowerMac, an Apple MacPro (Intel-based) and an Apple
> >> >>> MacBook Pro (Intel based) and all of them work beautifully. I am
> >> >>> using
> >> >>> the MacBook Pro to type this message.
> >>
> >> >> Do you have an ATI x1900 XT graphics card in your Mac Pro?
> >> >
> >> > No. I have a first-generation MacBook Pro which has the Radeon X1600
> >> > graphics card.
> >>
> >> You said you had a Mac Pro too. (the tower, not the laptop).
> >>
> >> The first generation MacBook Pros were so hot you couldn't put them on
> >> your lap and use them. I have the 2nd gen one that fixed that problem.
> >
> > Sorry, I was tired when I read your question. I have a MacBook Pro
> > (laptop) at home and a MacPro (tower) at work in my office. I am home so
> > I can't look at what my MacPro has, but if you write to me privately, I
> > will tell you what graphics card it has when I am at work next, which
> > will be this Tuesday.
> >
> > My MacBook Pro does get hot, but I can use it in my lap for a little
> > while before it gets uncomfortable. I have a little platform for it
> > though with a USB fan, which solves the problem.
>
> Is that little platform with fan an Apple option? My MIL has suffered third
> degree burns from using her MacBook, and I would love to buy the little
> platform for her. Your help would be appreciated.

You can buy them at any decent computer store for about $20. This
heating problem is common on many laptops, not just Apple's. I have an
HP laptop from work that gets just as hot, if not hotter, then my
MacBook Pro.

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TOPIC: I've 3 Cheap Dial-Ups & Want To Upgrade But...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8b63cd812bb931f5?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 3:35 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <Xns9B0192E07B0BEgreederxprtnet@194.177.96.26>,
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:

> Relaxin@home.net (Liberal's Worst Nightmare) wrote in
> news:48ad805f.13959203@news.datemas.de:
>
> > The cheapest dial-up yields at least one busy signal every third day
> > and downloads 24-48 kbps.
> >
> > Another one rarely has a busy signal, downloads 24-48, and has a nice
> > Usenet server.
> >
> > The third one never has a busy signal but dowload speed never tops 28.
> >
> > Total monthly cost for all 3 is about the same as one DSL which is now
> > available here.
> >
> > Sure would like to have DSL to see video clips, youtube, etc.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the reports about DSL product reliability and lousy
> > support have scared me off.
>
> Join the 21st Century and get DSL. Plenty of people have DSL
> and never experience a problem. If you like Unenet, you may
> want to keep the dialup that has the good usenet server. You may
> be able to log into the server from your DSL connection. Try it
> and see.

I agree. Many people (including all of my friends and most of my family)
have DSL. Like any technology, there are problems for some people, but
most people have no problems, or minimal problems.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 3:35 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <48ade0ae.38614500@news-60.giganews.com>,
Windswept@Home (Jack) wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:26:19 +0200 (CEST), Gordon
> <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>
> >Relaxin@home.net (Liberal's Worst Nightmare) wrote in
> >news:48ad805f.13959203@news.datemas.de:
> >
> >> The cheapest dial-up yields at least one busy signal every third day
> >> and downloads 24-48 kbps.
> >>
> >> Another one rarely has a busy signal, downloads 24-48, and has a nice
> >> Usenet server.
> >>
> >> The third one never has a busy signal but dowload speed never tops 28.
> >>
> >> Total monthly cost for all 3 is about the same as one DSL which is now
> >> available here.
> >>
> >> Sure would like to have DSL to see video clips, youtube, etc.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, the reports about DSL product reliability and lousy
> >> support have scared me off.
> >
> >Join the 21st Century and get DSL. Plenty of people have DSL
> >and never experience a problem. If you like Unenet, you may
> >want to keep the dialup that has the good usenet server. You may
> >be able to log into the server from your DSL connection. Try it
> >and see.
>
> Sure would like to.
>
> Yeah, I understand that you can keep a dial-up for back up but need to
> remove the DSL stuff and revert to the dial-up wiring and connection
> set-up.

So?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 5:09 am
From: Jack Bauer

Liberal's Worst Nightmare wrote:
> The cheapest dial-up yields at least one busy signal every third day
> and downloads 24-48 kbps.
>
> Another one rarely has a busy signal, downloads 24-48, and has a nice
> Usenet server.
>
> The third one never has a busy signal but dowload speed never tops 28.
>
> Total monthly cost for all 3 is about the same as one DSL which is now
> available here.
>
> Sure would like to have DSL to see video clips, youtube, etc.
>
> Unfortunately, the reports about DSL product reliability and lousy
> support have scared me off.

Who are these dial-up ISP's? It would nice to see a mini-review of
each, but with names.

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TOPIC: The DSL 12-Month Commitment
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb1b6c0797411fac?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 4:48 am
From: Relaxin@home.net (Messiah Obama)

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:06:19 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>Messiah Obama <spam@nospam.org> wrote the completely superfluous
>proof that its never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
>
>
Shameless huzzy.

Prostitutin' yaself like that

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TOPIC: Use it or lose it?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8826541b5009dfa9?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:40 am
From: Derald

"JR Weiss" <jrweiss98155remove@remove.comcast.net> wrote:

>Most/all ETFs will incur a brokerage fee and further penalties if withdrawn
>prior to 30-90 days. None have guaranteed returns.
Excuse me? What did I miss? "ET" = secondary market.... In truth,
almost nothing has "guaranteed" returns; that term is simply a sales
pitch.
Although not my cup of tea and it's run may be over, based on
market price a/o close of business 8/22, at $105.12, Proshares'
Ultrashort Msci Eafe (EFU ) is up nearly 44% YTD. Tradeking's ETF
commission is an exhorbitant $4.95....
I did not infer OP to be an "old woman": As I see it, beyond the
tax advantages of an IRA (for which "short" funds qualify) AWA a few
laddered CDs during dry times (certainly nothing longer than 12-18
months) the notion of "sticking" cash into a vault or a long-term
fixed-rate instrument and hoping for the best is ludicrous when, if a
person would spend a fraction of his NFL-watching time actually
_managing_ his money, including investing whatever fees he may be paying
to some "financial planner" quack, he could actually make money in good
times or bad. Sure, most of those buy-and-holders who're losing their
asses will eventually regain their losses but odds are they'll be dead
by the time that happens.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:43 am
From: George

timeOday wrote:

>
> Considering the rapid increase in standard of living in China and India
> over the last decade or so, and considering we do business with them, it
> surprises me that the median US standard of living really hasn't
> increased in a generation or so. Some things get better (e.g. invention
> of the Internet) while others get worse (e.g. affordability of
> beach-front property).
>
Why would it? Consider that China is doing things we used to do and
thats why their standard of living increased.

Previously we had lots of good paying manufacturing jobs which enabled a
true middle class.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:56 am
From: jdoe

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:43:59 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>timeOday wrote:
>
>>
>> Considering the rapid increase in standard of living in China and India
>> over the last decade or so, and considering we do business with them, it
>> surprises me that the median US standard of living really hasn't
>> increased in a generation or so. Some things get better (e.g. invention
>> of the Internet) while others get worse (e.g. affordability of
>> beach-front property).
>>
>Why would it? Consider that China is doing things we used to do and
>thats why their standard of living increased.
>
>Previously we had lots of good paying manufacturing jobs which enabled a
>true middle class.
it's called evolution, the work place in the US has evolved beyond
menial industrial tasks, people need to be trained and or educated in
order to make it in our society. People like you who are having
trouble with that reality are akin to the luddites who bemoaned the
industrial revolution.
the moral to the story is keep up or get left behind

for the original poster, the standard of living in the US has jumped
by leaps and bounds over the last 50 years, wake up and look around,
more people have a much better lifestyle than ever before, the same
moral holds true for people who think like you
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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TOPIC: CNN: Half-ton woman indicted in slaying of nephew
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/935cc02fc86d96ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 5:50 am
From: Kel

On Aug 23, 1:19 am, Justin Case <flybyn...@rumor.com> wrote:
> > Hehe! That and a hell of a lot more. I don't believe this story
> > though. I have never heard of any human weighing that much. five
> > hundred to seven hundred yes, but not nine hundred and up.
>
> don't forget this is a Mexican, probably getting Federal Aid, and mucho
> food stamps, free medical and snacks.

I thought it might be Kris Baker when I read the line

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:32 am
From: betty@somewhereelse.com (Betty)

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Justin Case <flybynite@rumor.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hehe! That and a hell of a lot more. I don't believe this story
>>though. I have never heard of any human weighing that much. five
>>hundred to seven hundred yes, but not nine hundred and up.
>
>don't forget this is a Mexican, probably getting Federal Aid, and mucho
>food stamps, free medical and snacks.

Sounds a lot like Bobbi Sanchez.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:34 am
From: Bluuuue rAjAh

larry@nowhere.com (Larry) wrote in
news:20080823015943.3904C4E4D7@outpost.zedz.net:

> http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/22/obese.woman.ap/index.html
>
> EDINBURG, Texas (AP) -- Prosecutors are trying to decide how to jail
> and bring to court a nearly half-ton, bedridden woman accused of
> killing her 2-year-old nephew.
>
> A grand jury indicted Mayra Lizbeth Rosales, 27, on Thursday on one
> count of first-degree murder and on one count of injury to a child in
> the death of Eliseo Gonzalez Jr. She previously had been charged with
> capital murder.
>
> Rosales weighs nearly 1,000 pounds and cannot fit through a door to
> leave her home, leaving prosecutors wondering how to bring her to
> court. As of Thursday evening, she was not in custody.
>
> Hidalgo County Sheriff Lupe Trevino said that holding her at the
> county jail for her trial would be impossible because she needs
> extensive medical care.
>
> "She would die," Trevino said in Thursday's online edition of The
> Monitor in McAllen.
>
> The grand jury indicted Rosales after an autopsy confirmed
> investigators' suspicions that the child died March 18 because he had
> been struck. Investigators believe that the toddler was struck at
> least twice, crushing his head.
>
> Authorities recommended that Rosales' bail be set at $150,000.
>
> The boy's mother, Jaime Rosales, was charged with injury to a child
> because she is accused of leaving her son alone with his aunt. Her
> bail has been set at $100,000.

Setting bail seems to be a moot point, since they don't know how to
handle her in jail.

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TOPIC: How to select a reliable used car?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d6e74503ddeed27?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 6:50 am
From: Jeff

capieleo wrote:
> good for you buddy...

You can congratulate me also as I just reported both your email
addresses and your Google Usenet account.

>
> this is just simple seo, no spam, as it will not trascend into
> something larger like a farm... in any case, an insightful and really
> informative source for car buying tips, car loans, calculator and such
> is indeed SPAM and I go back and forth from
> here to the US, as I have all my family living there, so next time,
> reserve it.

You can have a little talk about SEO with Google about this.

Welcome to Usenet.

Jeff

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TOPIC: Would you stop for a moment?!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/19eea8f844214832?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 7:18 am
From: Al Bundy

aassime abdellatif wrote:
> ISLAM and the AIM of LIFE
>
So much talk

I can only go by what I see. I see terrorists. I smell a bad stink
when I get close. They push their way around the stores where they
shop and expect to cut in line ahead of others. Nope. The aim of their
life is to piss the world off.

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TOPIC: Green House remote wireless thermometer
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0c802fa88921c600?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 8:17 am
From: COOL

Useful remote wireless thermometer
http://www.wellcomestore.com/servlet/the-4/In-fdsh-Out-Temperature/Detail

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TOPIC: Cell phone fragility?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9a5e26553db076b8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 9:19 am
From: Ken

With a year Tracfone contract I was given a new LG 225 phone. This has
nice features and works well but has a stubby ~1 in. antenna sticking
out one side of the top. Does anyone know from experience if this is
fragile? Break easily? Should I be very cautious with it? I Googled but
didn't see any complaints in a quick search.

TIA

Ken

--
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner

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