Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Sunday, August 24, 2008

25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: The DSL 12-Month Commitment
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb1b6c0797411fac?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 11:15 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Messiah Obama <spam@nospam.org> wrote the completely superfluous
proof that its never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 1:18 pm
From: Relaxin@home.net (Messiah Obama)

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:15:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>Messiah Obama <spam@nospam.org> wrote the completely superfluous
>proof that its never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
>
>
Drained right now.

Come back in 1/2 hour.

Give ya another one.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 1:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Messiah Obama <spam@nospam.org> wrote the completely superfluous
proof that its never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 2:37 pm
From: Relaxin@home.net (Messiah Obama)

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:27:05 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Spread nice, atta girl.

AHHHHHHHHHH

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TOPIC: Value pick for the week: BPL
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/336301697917beb9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 11:19 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <6h93utFk2kbfU1@mid.individual.net>,
> rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com says...
>> Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> I was talking about the Roth IRA.
>>>>
>>>>> I do agree that it would be rather foolish for anyone to put
>>>>> EVERYTHING into a single stock.
>>>>
>>>> Its foolish for anyone to put the whole Roth IRA into just one too
>>>> or even most of it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not if the IRA was investing in VTI or IYY
>>
>> Its always foolish to have it all in just one.

> You don't even know what those ticker symbols are, do you?

I was agreeing with you, a bit cryptically.

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TOPIC: Another good product/deal GONE!!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fc8079daae81d3bd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 2:23 pm
From: "Anthony Diodati"

Dollar General brand paper towels, cost $1.00.
Used to be a damm good product. Just brought a roll today, they are not
worth a DAMM!
Knew when they changed the wrapper, then picked it up, seemed lighter.
Got it home, they are smaller and thinner. Again, not worth a DAMM!
You can't get a good deal on nothing anymore.

Ate at Wendy's today, got the jr. cheeseburger. Those things used to be
pretty good.
Now I swear, they are making the patties thinner. Looks to be about 1/8"
thick.
Last time I was there, I got a 1/4 pounder single, looked like the patties
you USED to get on the jr. cheeseburger.
What a world anymore!!
Tony

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TOPIC: Walmart Prices: Urban vs Rural?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/85719f2d4728a958?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 2:31 pm
From: "Anthony Diodati"

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:g8rukd$jac$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>
> Canned goods seem reasonable at Wal-Mart, but the meat is a good 50% more
> expensive than even the most expensive supermarket in the area, and I
> consider THEIR (the supermarket's) prices on meat to be outrageously high.
> And the deli stuff at wal-mart? You'd think it was made of gold or
> lver. -Dave
Yeah, there Deli is out of sight too!
Tony

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 11:40 am
From: "rick++"

The people that compile "Black Friday" prices
(day after thanksgiving) do notice prices are
different by location.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 2:57 pm
From: "Anthony Diodati"

"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:86489ae2-86be-47fc-a343-c2afe934c575@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> The people that compile "Black Friday" prices
> (day after thanksgiving) do notice prices are
> different by location.

A little OT here, but another store that (I think at least) used to have
good prices, and has gotten high is Lowes.
Tony

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 1:43 pm
From: "D&SW"

What a load of poodle gas...
"enigma" <enigma@evil.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9B045DE656EB4enigmaempirenet@199.125.85.9...
> Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com"> wrote in
> news:1219540138_608@isp.n:
>
>>
>> Does the internet affect such things? I've never
>> really compared
>> internet pricing to the local stores.
>
> well, since Wal-Mart contracts for the lowest prices with
> their suppliers, the goods sold in the store are made, well,
> cheaper. for things like toasters, it's not too big a deal
> (assuming you realize a $9 toaster will crap out in less than
> a year), but for bigger ticket items like TVs or computers,
> what you get at Wal-Mart & what you can find elsewhere (Sears,
> online) are entirely different items. even items with the same
> code are substantially different in quality & features between
> Wal-Mart & other places... which is why one should compare
> features rather than price.
>
>> Our local farmer's coop prices their gas according to
>> the town the
>> station is in. It probably has 8 or 10 of the self serve
>> card stations scattered around the area.
>
> i've noticed that as well here. some towns are way less
> expensive for gas (4-9 cents/gallon). when i see that in NY i
> understand it's because of the taxes there, state, county &
> town can all throw in their own taxes, but in NH it's just one
> of those weird things. gas in my town is $3.69/gal today. in
> Epsom it's $3.65 & in Chichester it's $3.63...
> lee
> --
> Last night while sitting in my chair
> I pinged a host that wasn't there
> It wasn't there again today
> The host resolved to NSA.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 4:09 pm
From: "Dave"

>
> A little OT here, but another store that (I think at least) used to have
> good prices, and has gotten high is Lowes.
> Tony

Yup. Compared to just about any local hardware store, too. You know, the
mom and pop type places with good service still? -Dave

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 5:59 pm
From: Jeff

enigma wrote:
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in
> news:7YOdnZ6T_r1e7yzVnZ2dnUVZ_v3inZ2d@earthlink.com:
>
>> enigma wrote:
>>> Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net> wrote in
>>> news:slrngb14vp.9b3.grobe@worf.netins.net:
>>>
>>>> Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and
>>>> rural Walmarts? How much latitude do individual store
>>>> managers have in pricing?
>>> i don't shop at Wal-Mart, but as an ex-retail manager, i
>>> can say that they most likely have "zone pricing" for
>>> various stores, depending on their location. it doesn't so
>>> much have to do with suburban vs rural, but with the
>>> various local economies. most retail companies have 3 to 5
>>> "zones", or pricing levels.
>>> individual store managers would have very little leeway
>>> in
>>> adjusting prices in their store. they would likely be able
>>> to price match a competitor, but they couldn't make the
>>> price lower than the competition.
>> Some Walmarts may have more flexibility. I've see that in
>> particular in a Walmart that had a Target open up across
>> the street.
>
> um, that falls under price matching a competitor...
>

beating...

> lee

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TOPIC: Dangerous/deadly chew toy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d3d74f37eaeb3a90?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 2:41 pm
From: "Anthony Diodati"

"h.tees" <h.tees@nowhere.net.uk> wrote in message
news:g8n2qi$lsq$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> <ultimauw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dba8bce7-b126-43c5-846b-233d8cb51317@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> http://consumerist.com/5040194/owner-calls-for-chew-toy-recall-after-dogs-injury-results-in-tongue-amputation
>
> Here's a heartbreaking story: A dog owner is asking the public to
> demand the recall of a chew toy after it caused an injury to their dog
> that required amputation of its tongue.
>
>
> Oh don't be SO stupid. My dog hurt himself when he grabbed a stick that
> was thrown
> for him. Should we demnd a policy of cutting ll trees down?
>
> Get a life, stop trying to scrounge and wallow in your self pitying
> compensation culture
> lifestyle.

No they should recall it, If it can hurt the dog, it should be recalled. A
dog can't get his tongue caught in a stick.
Tony

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TOPIC: I've 3 Cheap Dial-Ups & Want To Upgrade But...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8b63cd812bb931f5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 3:04 pm
From: "Anthony Diodati"

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:g8r2be$59v$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Liberal's Worst Nightmare" <Relaxin@home.net> wrote in message
> news:48ad805f.13959203@news.datemas.de...
>> The cheapest dial-up yields at least one busy signal every third day
>> and downloads 24-48 kbps.
>>
>> Another one rarely has a busy signal, downloads 24-48, and has a nice
>> Usenet server.
>>
>> The third one never has a busy signal but dowload speed never tops 28.
>>
>> Total monthly cost for all 3 is about the same as one DSL which is now
>> available here.
>>
>> Sure would like to have DSL to see video clips, youtube, etc.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the reports about DSL product reliability and lousy
>> support have scared me off.
>
> DSL is much more reliable than either dial-up OR cable modem Internet
> service. At the same price, I'd choose a "slower" DSL connection over
> "faster" cable modem service, every time.
>
> Lousy support is not tied to any particular technology. I've had better
> service with DSL than cable modem. In one case, I had to fix a problem
> with my cable modem MYSELF, as the cable company refused to believe that I
> had a problem...or more likely just wanted to play dumb, hoping I would
> shut up.
>
> In short, cable modem is potentially faster, but download speed varies
> wildly depending on time of week and time of DAY. DSL is as fast as any
> normal Internet user would ever need (even for large downloads), and
> download speed never varies. Now watch someone state "but it's all shared
> bandwidth". Yes, and with DSL, the sharing happens far enough away from
> your individual modem that the sharing doesn't affect your download speed.
> Unlike cable modem which slows significantly when the neighborhood kids
> get home from school...
>
> I can't wait until the local phone company FINALLY offers naked DSL so I
> can ditch my cable modem. Sigh...
>
> The only thing to be aware of with DSL service is that you do NOT want to
> install any PPPOE software with your DSL service. Instead, get a
> broadband sharing router (good ones about thirty bucks?). That will
> maintain your DSL connection for you. That is, the PPPOE connection is
> initiated and maintained by firmware in the router (after you enter your
> DSL user name and password in the router setup menus ONCE). You should be
> using a router with any broadband Internet service, but it's especially
> important to get one for DSL, so that you don't have to install any extra
> software on your computer.
>
> But with a router maintaining the PPPOE connection for you? You will LOVE
> DSL. -Dave

I have had good luck with verizon's DSL.
Tony

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TOPIC: Spyware
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a9b0f8fafb3d4415?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 12:19 pm
From: Tony Sivori

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:14:55 -0400, Dave wrote:
[attributes restored]
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:09:12 -0400, Shawn Hirn wrote:
>> Good common sense and Mac OS X work fine for me. No added software is
>> necessary.
>
> The required lobotomy is kind of expensive and painful, though. -Dave

Mildly amusing, coming from a Microsoft user.

--
Tony Sivori
Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 4:06 pm
From: "Dave"

"Tony Sivori" <TonySivori@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.08.24.19.19.11.748593@yahoo.com...
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:14:55 -0400, Dave wrote:
> [attributes restored]
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:09:12 -0400, Shawn Hirn wrote:
>>> Good common sense and Mac OS X work fine for me. No added software is
>>> necessary.
>>
>> The required lobotomy is kind of expensive and painful, though. -Dave
>
> Mildly amusing, coming from a Microsoft user.
>

I've thought of macs as kind of a PC with training wheels. :) -Dave

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TOPIC: Use it or lose it?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8826541b5009dfa9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 2:03 pm
From: clams_casino

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>
> "The Real Bev" <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:aq4sk.7058$4s1.857@newsfe06.iad...
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> Nobody ever actually defines "the middle class" or "the rich".
>>>
>>>
>>> Because it isnt really possible to define it. But you never get the
>>> middle class involved in collecting the garbage, doing the plumbing,
>>> working in a factory, or cleaning either.
>>>
>>>> It's way easier to despise and wish to soak The Rich when you don't
>>>> know that you're one of them.
>>>
>>>
>>> None of the rich ever want the rich to soaked and they certainly know
>>> if they are rich or not.
>>
>>
>> In the US, when politicians talk about "the rich" they mean something
>> like a family earning $75K. I'm pretty sure that working people
>> earning $75K don't know they're "rich". Sorry, I can't give you a
>> cite because it's something I read over a year ago.
>
>
> i've read 50k

50k is the median US household income.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 5:52 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:T0ksk.6855$Jk1.4408@newsfe01.iad...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>>
>> "The Real Bev" <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:aq4sk.7058$4s1.857@newsfe06.iad...
>>
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Nobody ever actually defines "the middle class" or "the rich".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because it isnt really possible to define it. But you never get the
>>>> middle class involved in collecting the garbage, doing the plumbing,
>>>> working in a factory, or cleaning either.
>>>>
>>>>> It's way easier to despise and wish to soak The Rich when you don't
>>>>> know that you're one of them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> None of the rich ever want the rich to soaked and they certainly know
>>>> if they are rich or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> In the US, when politicians talk about "the rich" they mean something
>>> like a family earning $75K. I'm pretty sure that working people earning
>>> $75K don't know they're "rich". Sorry, I can't give you a cite because
>>> it's something I read over a year ago.
>>
>>
>> i've read 50k
>
> 50k is the median US household income.

that may be so, but i've read that you're considered rich at 50k

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TOPIC: Is a person's weight really a reliable indicator of overall health?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/26305acd83e4d9ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 2:37 pm
From: emu@nowhere.com (Emu)

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, "Robin King" <mapletree@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Out of sympathy for the trolls, who have not had Lady Veteran to
>rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
>to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0leLrjA20xo

You got us there. How many gold medals did she win in the Olympics?

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TOPIC: Millions of tires subject to recall due to blowout hazard
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e5bd68d9e7fcbe32?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 3:05 pm
From: necromancer <55_sux@worldofnecromancer_NO-SPAM_NO-WAY.com>

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:10:58 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Paulie Walnutts" <hoofhearted07@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:d71fe206-8109-4292-9a22-894107378d26@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 23, 9:20 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> <ultim...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:027762b1-6b33-47c6-9b70-75b1df75d09b@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/consumer/recalls&id=63...
>>
>> not tires, tire stems
>
>From overuse. Thank you Obama.
>
>defective chinese goods

Thanks, Bush, Sr, Clinton, Bush, Jr

--
US President George W Bush says something intelligent:

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TOPIC: "Are Teachers Overpaid?" by Mr. Tamim Ansary
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bc0959f836a427e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 4:39 pm
From: terryc

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:32:21 -0500, max wrote:

> the age-old aphorism appropriate to this situation sounds like "you can
> lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

A lot of good teachers can convinve the horse that it needs to drink, but
sometimes those parents are a problem and just get in the way. somekids
manage to overcome this hinderance later in life.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 5:53 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.08.24.23.39.47.495828@woa.com.au...
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:32:21 -0500, max wrote:
>
>
>> the age-old aphorism appropriate to this situation sounds like "you can
>> lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
>
> A lot of good teachers can convinve the horse that it needs to drink, but
> sometimes those parents are a problem and just get in the way. somekids
> manage to overcome this hinderance later in life.

we are graduating FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 5:54 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fonsk.658$Ro1.82@trnddc04...
>
> "terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.08.24.23.39.47.495828@woa.com.au...
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:32:21 -0500, max wrote:
>>
>>
>>> the age-old aphorism appropriate to this situation sounds like "you can
>>> lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
>>
>> A lot of good teachers can convinve the horse that it needs to drink, but
>> sometimes those parents are a problem and just get in the way. somekids
>> manage to overcome this hinderance later in life.
>
> we are graduating FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!

no wait; they know how to fuck.
>

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 5:56 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1pnsk.659$Ro1.495@trnddc04...
>
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fonsk.658$Ro1.82@trnddc04...
>>
>> "terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2008.08.24.23.39.47.495828@woa.com.au...
>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:32:21 -0500, max wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> the age-old aphorism appropriate to this situation sounds like "you can
>>>> lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
>>>
>>> A lot of good teachers can convinve the horse that it needs to drink,
>>> but
>>> sometimes those parents are a problem and just get in the way. somekids
>>> manage to overcome this hinderance later in life.
>>
>> we are graduating FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!
>
> no wait; they know how to fuck.
>>
which of course is the fucking problem

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 5:56 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Tqnsk.660$Ro1.419@trnddc04...
>
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1pnsk.659$Ro1.495@trnddc04...
>>
>> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fonsk.658$Ro1.82@trnddc04...
>>>
>>> "terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2008.08.24.23.39.47.495828@woa.com.au...
>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:32:21 -0500, max wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the age-old aphorism appropriate to this situation sounds like "you
>>>>> can
>>>>> lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
>>>>
>>>> A lot of good teachers can convinve the horse that it needs to drink,
>>>> but
>>>> sometimes those parents are a problem and just get in the way. somekids
>>>> manage to overcome this hinderance later in life.
>>>
>>> we are graduating FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!
>>
>> no wait; they know how to fuck.
>>>
> which of course is the fucking problem

too much fucking and not enough studying.

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