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TOPIC: Walmart Prices: Urban vs Rural?
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:22 am
From: Ken

Ann <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in
news:pan.2008.08.24.01.08.56.186863@epix.net:

> There is an interesting thing that has been progressing for about a
> year in the local store's cat food dept. Walmart's prices on brand
> name food had been lower than those at supermarkets in the nearest
> small city, except when the supermarkets had sales. About a year ago,
> brand name shelf space at Walmart began shrinking, replaced by more of
> Walmart's store brand. Prices went up to about the same as at the
> supermarkets. Now Walmart everyday prices are roughly on average 15%
> higher.
>

The produce prices at the Wal-Mart I go to are much higher than the
supermarket I go to (Food City). For example, I bought three green
pappers at Food City last week for $0.99. I was in Wal-Mart yesterday and
green peppers were $0.88 each. Much the same for other produce items.
Oddly, the other prices - like canned goods and meat - are about 50%
higher at Food City.

Ken

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remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:27 am
From: "Dave"

> The produce prices at the Wal-Mart I go to are much higher than the
> supermarket I go to (Food City). For example, I bought three green
> pappers at Food City last week for $0.99. I was in Wal-Mart yesterday and
> green peppers were $0.88 each. Much the same for other produce items.
> Oddly, the other prices - like canned goods and meat - are about 50%
> higher at Food City.
>
> Ken

Holy Crap, Food City must be outrageously expensive...are they owned by
Whole Paycheck, errrr Whole Foods, perhaps?

Canned goods seem reasonable at Wal-Mart, but the meat is a good 50% more
expensive than even the most expensive supermarket in the area, and I
consider THEIR (the supermarket's) prices on meat to be outrageously high.
And the deli stuff at wal-mart? You'd think it was made of gold or
ilver. -Dave

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:29 am
From: enigma

Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in
news:7YOdnZ6T_r1e7yzVnZ2dnUVZ_v3inZ2d@earthlink.com:

> enigma wrote:
>> Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net> wrote in
>> news:slrngb14vp.9b3.grobe@worf.netins.net:
>>
>>> Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and
>>> rural Walmarts? How much latitude do individual store
>>> managers have in pricing?
>>
>> i don't shop at Wal-Mart, but as an ex-retail manager, i
>> can say that they most likely have "zone pricing" for
>> various stores, depending on their location. it doesn't so
>> much have to do with suburban vs rural, but with the
>> various local economies. most retail companies have 3 to 5
>> "zones", or pricing levels.
>> individual store managers would have very little leeway
>> in
>> adjusting prices in their store. they would likely be able
>> to price match a competitor, but they couldn't make the
>> price lower than the competition.
>
> Some Walmarts may have more flexibility. I've see that in
> particular in a Walmart that had a Target open up across
> the street.

um, that falls under price matching a competitor...

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== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:31 am
From: Sheldon

"Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
> "Ann" <nntpm...@epix.net> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2008.08.24.01.08.56.186863@epix.net...
>
> > On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:49:29 +0000, Jonathan Grobe wrote:
>
> >> Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and rural Walmarts?
>
> > There is a rural Walmart Super Center 10 miles south and one 20 miles
> > north that I think is actually a little smaller. It's not seriously urban
> > but is in a shopping center that also has a Home Depot. �I've never seen a
> > price on a food item at the local store that's less than at the "urban"
> > one. The biggest difference in price is on items in the frozen food cases
> > and bread - about 10-15% higher locally. �I don't know if it's as much
> > urban vs rural as it is that the local store has little competition.
>
> There are four walmarts near us, three of them are supercenters. �One
> supercenter is in a RURAL area and it has the highest prices of the four.
> I'm betting it's like you said, no local competition. �In the case of the
> rural supercenter, there is like literally nowhere else to shop. �(for food
> or anything else, unless you drive a half hour) �We do shop at that one
> occasionally as we have other business in the area and to get to anywhere
> else to shop would be quite a drive, FROM THERE. �We're always surprised at
> the prices of the stuff we normally buy, typically about 20-30% higher at
> this rural supercenter. �The other three are definitely urban, and the
> prices are cheaper than the rural one, and the prices are identical (among
> the urban ones).
>
> On a side note, I MUCH prefer to shop at Target, both for better quality
> merchandise and usually priced competitively with Wal-Mart. �The other huge
> advantage Target has is, it's hardly ever over-crowded (whereas wal-mart is
> always over-crowded). �MUCH more relaxing to shop at Target. �I just wish
> they'd have built a "super" target near us. �If we had a super target, I'd
> probably never set foot in a wal-mart. �

Most Target products can be purchased for less from Amazon.com Not
only that but the products are shipped directly from a Target
warehouse... often the individual stores don't have the exact product
when you get there but buying on line you get exactly what you choose,
and delivered right to your door, and most are free shipping and even
if you pay shipping it's nowhere near the cost of driving your own
vehical.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:03 am
From: Ann

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:37:09 -0400, Dave wrote:
> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.08.24.01.08.56.186863@epix.net...
>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:49:29 +0000, Jonathan Grobe wrote:
>>
>>> Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and rural Walmarts?
>>
>> There is a rural Walmart Super Center 10 miles south and one 20 miles
>> north that I think is actually a little smaller. It's not seriously
>> urban but is in a shopping center that also has a Home Depot. I've
>> never seen a price on a food item at the local store that's less than at
>> the "urban" one. The biggest difference in price is on items in the
>> frozen food cases and bread - about 10-15% higher locally. I don't know
>> if it's as much urban vs rural as it is that the local store has little
>> competition.
>
> There are four walmarts near us, three of them are supercenters. One
> supercenter is in a RURAL area and it has the highest prices of the four.
> I'm betting it's like you said, no local competition. In the case of the
> rural supercenter, there is like literally nowhere else to shop. (for
> food or anything else, unless you drive a half hour) We do shop at that
> one occasionally as we have other business in the area and to get to
> anywhere else to shop would be quite a drive, FROM THERE. We're always
> surprised at the prices of the stuff we normally buy, typically about
> 20-30% higher at this rural supercenter. The other three are definitely
> urban, and the prices are cheaper than the rural one, and the prices are
> identical (among the urban ones).

> On a side note, I MUCH prefer to shop at Target, both for better quality
> merchandise and usually priced competitively with Wal-Mart. The other
> huge advantage Target has is, it's hardly ever over-crowded (whereas
> wal-mart is always over-crowded). MUCH more relaxing to shop at Target.
> I just wish they'd have built a "super" target near us. If we had a
> super target, I'd probably never set foot in a wal-mart. But then, we
> get most of our groceries at a local supermarket (not wal-mart or
> target) now. -Dave-

The nearest (25 miles) Target has been open about a year and is in the
same retail area as a medium size shopping center, Sam's Club, Lowes, Best
Buy, etc. Also, recently opened large Walmart and Circuit City stores. I
had been looking forward to Target but have only been there once because
I've been avoiding the major highway/retail construction. Now most of the
that is done, I expect to shop Target more. I do most of my grocery
shopping at supermarkets about 20 miles away. But my local Walmart will
probably remain my fall-back for non-food items because it's so
convenient.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 9:05 am
From: "Dave"

>Most Target products can be purchased for less from Amazon.com Not
>only that but the products are shipped directly from a Target
>warehouse... often the individual stores don't have the exact product
>when you get there but buying on line you get exactly what you choose,
>and delivered right to your door, and most are free shipping and even
>if you pay shipping it's nowhere near the cost of driving your own
>vehical.

Good to know. Sometimes I'm under a time restraint, though. I work on the
road (OTR truck driver). Sometimes I'm only home a day or two and need
something now, before I hit the road again (because it's not available at
truck stops, or wicked expensive to buy at a truck stop). For these
occasions, it's tough to beat the Target retail store. But certainly, if I
had time, I'd do almost all my shopping online. -Dave

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:55 am
From: Ann

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:13:50 +0000, enigma wrote:

> Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com"> wrote in
> news:1219540138_608@isp.n:
>
>
>> Does the internet affect such things? I've never really compared
>> internet pricing to the local stores.
>
> well, since Wal-Mart contracts for the lowest prices with
> their suppliers, the goods sold in the store are made, well, cheaper. for
> things like toasters, it's not too big a deal (assuming you realize a $9
> toaster will crap out in less than a year), but for bigger ticket items
> like TVs or computers, what you get at Wal-Mart & what you can find
> elsewhere (Sears, online) are entirely different items. even items with
> the same code are substantially different in quality & features between
> Wal-Mart & other places... which is why one should compare features rather
> than price.

I've heard that, but I'm not convinced that a TV bought at Walmart isn't
the same as a TV (with the same manufacturer's model number on the TV ID
plate) bought at another store. I've not shopped for electronics at
Walmart, but have at Sam's Club. What they will sometimes do is have
items boxed for sale there that have fewer accessories. For example, a
Samsung surveillance system that normally includes 4 cameras was sold at
Sam's Club with 3 cameras.

A good thing to do is check the manufacturer's website, the support pages
in particular. If they don't list an item with that model number, it's a
good bet that it's a retailer's version that won't be supported by the
manufacturer.

>> Our local farmer's coop prices their gas according to the town the
>> station is in. It probably has 8 or 10 of the self serve card stations
>> scattered around the area.
>
> i've noticed that as well here. some towns are way less
> expensive for gas (4-9 cents/gallon). when i see that in NY i understand
> it's because of the taxes there, state, county & town can all throw in
> their own taxes, but in NH it's just one of those weird things. gas in
> my town is $3.69/gal today. in Epsom it's $3.65 & in Chichester it's
> $3.63... lee

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 9:37 am
From: Ann

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:22:10 +0000, Ken wrote:

> Ann <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in
> news:pan.2008.08.24.01.08.56.186863@epix.net:
>
>> There is an interesting thing that has been progressing for about a year
>> in the local store's cat food dept. Walmart's prices on brand name food
>> had been lower than those at supermarkets in the nearest small city,
>> except when the supermarkets had sales. About a year ago, brand name
>> shelf space at Walmart began shrinking, replaced by more of Walmart's
>> store brand. Prices went up to about the same as at the supermarkets.
>> Now Walmart everyday prices are roughly on average 15% higher.
>>
>>
> The produce prices at the Wal-Mart I go to are much higher than the
> supermarket I go to (Food City). For example, I bought three green pappers
> at Food City last week for $0.99. I was in Wal-Mart yesterday and green
> peppers were $0.88 each. Much the same for other produce items. Oddly, the
> other prices - like canned goods and meat - are about 50% higher at Food
> City.
>
> Ken

The #1 reason I'm glad I'm not stuck having to shop the local Walmart for
groceries is the poor produce quality. I usually grocery shop every 10-14
days so I want produce that's as fresh as reasonable, buying at a store.
Walmart is my preferred store for two items, Jalapeno peppers and bulk
mushrooms. <g>

I do wish they sold green peppers by the lb because often the smaller ones
are the more durable looking. Walmart does get points for the $.88 peaches
they had last week. Usually when I buy peaches, they have two states,
hard as a baseball and rotten. And they somehow transition overnight.
These were good tasting peaches that lasted several days.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 10:39 am
From: Ken

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in
news:g8rukd$jac$1@registered.motzarella.org:

>
>> The produce prices at the Wal-Mart I go to are much higher than the
>> supermarket I go to (Food City). For example, I bought three green
>> pappers at Food City last week for $0.99. I was in Wal-Mart yesterday
>> and green peppers were $0.88 each. Much the same for other produce
>> items. Oddly, the other prices - like canned goods and meat - are
>> about 50% higher at Food City.
>>
>> Ken
>
> Holy Crap, Food City must be outrageously expensive...are they owned
> by Whole Paycheck, errrr Whole Foods, perhaps?
>
> Canned goods seem reasonable at Wal-Mart, but the meat is a good 50%
> more expensive than even the most expensive supermarket in the area,
> and I consider THEIR (the supermarket's) prices on meat to be
> outrageously high. And the deli stuff at wal-mart? You'd think it was
> made of gold or ilver. -Dave
>

Food City is owned by Basha's, a western chain. Mostly oriented towards
Hispanic clientel.

I don't buy deli stuff and rarely meat - then usually fresh chicken parts
or sometimes a whole one or frozen ground turkey. Bacon, ham hocks or
sausage once in a while.

There's another expensive chain here, Albertson. I almost never go there
unless I can't find what I want elsewhere. Like whole wheat lasagna pasta
a few days ago. They have the best selection of stuff in town.

Ken

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:36 am
From: The Real Bev

terryc wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:32:38 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> It's the job of the educational system to educate ALL of the children,
>> not just the ones who want to be educated.
>
> 1. So you thin the government should tell you what you should think?

Take a deep breath, close your eyes and relax for a minute. Now try to
explain exactly what led you to that conclusion.

> 2. Thats lets the teachers off then as it is "the educaion system" that is
> failing and not the teachers.

Right now the system is set up to protect the teachers rather than
educate the children.

> FFS, most parents take an active part in their childrens education from
> the moment they are born.

I'm not worried about those people. The problem kids are the ones
without caring parents and SOMEBODY has to take up the slack. Sometimes
even caring foster parents aren't enough, but there has to be SOME
institutional program to take care of the kids that nobody gives a shit
about.

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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:40 am
From: The Real Bev

max wrote:

> terryc <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:53:41 +1000, Simon wrote:
>>
>> > The dregs we are discussing dont.
>>
>> True,but that it shouldn't be up to teachers to fix the situation.
>
> the age-old aphorism appropriate to this situation sounds like "you can
> lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
>
> folk wisdom. wisdom. folksy.

So what DO you do? Right now we just throw our aprons over our heads
and walk away. That's been working out really well, I understand.

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== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 9:06 am
From: max

In article <Chfsk.9905$Rs1.1932@newsfe08.iad>,
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

> max wrote:
>
> > terryc <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:53:41 +1000, Simon wrote:
> >>
> >> > The dregs we are discussing dont.
> >>
> >> True,but that it shouldn't be up to teachers to fix the situation.
> >
> > the age-old aphorism appropriate to this situation sounds like "you can
> > lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
> >
> > folk wisdom. wisdom. folksy.
>
> So what DO you do? Right now we just throw our aprons over our heads
> and walk away. That's been working out really well, I understand.

Terminate parental rights at the first sign of trouble, make them (kids)
permanent wards of the state. Establish a series of remote educational
camps around the country and raise the children under the 24/7
supervision of the state. Garnish parents wages to partially offset
costs.

Second parental offense: sterilazation of both parents, remand custody
to the state.

If unwed parents: forced sterilazation at first intervention.

failing that: there's not a lot you can do. It's a free country, and
parents have the right to be shitty parents.

.max

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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 9:08 am
From: max

In article <Chfsk.9905$Rs1.1932@newsfe08.iad>,
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

> max wrote:
>
> > terryc <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:53:41 +1000, Simon wrote:
> >>
> >> > The dregs we are discussing dont.
> >>
> >> True,but that it shouldn't be up to teachers to fix the situation.
> >
> > the age-old aphorism appropriate to this situation sounds like "you can
> > lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
> >
> > folk wisdom. wisdom. folksy.
>
> So what DO you do? Right now we just throw our aprons over our heads
> and walk away. That's been working out really well, I understand.

actually, a few weeks ago i heard the Supt. of Chicago schools mention
some kind of school dorm-residency program for kids from particularly
bad home situations as something they're seriously looking into.

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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 11:12 am
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> max wrote
>> terryc <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
>>> Simon wrote

>>>> The dregs we are discussing dont.

>>> True,but that it shouldn't be up to teachers to fix the situation.

>> the age-old aphorism appropriate to this situation sounds like "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him
>> drink".

>> folk wisdom. wisdom. folksy.

> So what DO you do?

Those with a clue dont send their kids to the worst of the public schools.

> Right now we just throw our aprons over our heads and walk away.

I dont have an apron personally.

> That's been working out really well, I understand.

What actually happens is that the group prone to doing that stuff end up
in jail in numbers that have essentially replaced college for that group.

Least that does keep them off the streets.

Rather an expensive approach tho, but the US can certainly afford that.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 11:14 am
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> terryc wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:32:38 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> It's the job of the educational system to educate ALL of the
>>> children, not just the ones who want to be educated.
>>
>> 1. So you thin the government should tell you what you should think?
>
> Take a deep breath, close your eyes and relax for a minute. Now try
> to explain exactly what led you to that conclusion.
>
>> 2. Thats lets the teachers off then as it is "the educaion system"
>> that is failing and not the teachers.
>
> Right now the system is set up to protect the teachers rather than
> educate the children.
>
>> FFS, most parents take an active part in their childrens education
>> from the moment they are born.
>
> I'm not worried about those people. The problem kids are the ones
> without caring parents and SOMEBODY has to take up the slack.

The jails and juvenile institutions do.

> Sometimes even caring foster parents aren't enough, but there has to be SOME institutional program to take care of the
> kids that nobody gives a shit about.

Thats what the jails and juvenile institutions do.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:41 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

In article <6h93utFk2kbfU1@mid.individual.net>, rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
says...
> Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> I was talking about the Roth IRA.
> >>
> >>> I do agree that it would be rather foolish for anyone to put
> >>> EVERYTHING into a single stock.
> >>
> >> Its foolish for anyone to put the whole Roth IRA into just one too
> >> or even most of it.
> >
> >>
> >>
> > Not if the IRA was investing in VTI or IYY
>
> Its always foolish to have it all in just one.
>
>
>
You don't even know what those ticker symbols are, do you?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 8:45 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

In article <a08d403b-ff32-4c4c-9f7f-
3b8a5a44511f@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, david7gable@aol.com says...
>
> What's the best anti-spyware program out there, free or otherwise?
>
> -david gable
>
I use SpyWare Blaster
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 10:43 am
From: "ChairMan"

In news:g8r6r6$u3a$1@registered.motzarella.org,
Dave <noway@nohow.not>spewed forth:
> <david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:a08d403b-ff32-4c4c-9f7f-3b8a5a44511f@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> What's the best anti-spyware program out there, free or otherwise?
>>
>> -david gable
>
> spybot search & destroy
>
> freeware:
> http://www.download.com/3120-20_4.html?tg=dl-20&qt=spybot&tag=srch
>
> Adaware is pretty good also
> http://www.download.com/3120-20_4.html?tg=dl-20&qt=adaware&tag=srch
>
> I'd suggest you use both, along with avast! antivirus and zonealarm
> software firewall, to supplement the hardware firewall that you ARE
> using. (right?) :) -Dave

In Spybot, I would reccommend using the teatimer setting under Tools/
Resident.
It keeps any programs, malware or spyware from making changes in the
registry and system wide without your permission.
Very handy when installing a new program that whats to install itself into
your startup menu.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 9:04 am
From: jdoe

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:55:33 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>jdoe wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:43:59 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> timeOday wrote:
>>>
>>>> Considering the rapid increase in standard of living in China and India
>>>> over the last decade or so, and considering we do business with them, it
>>>> surprises me that the median US standard of living really hasn't
>>>> increased in a generation or so. Some things get better (e.g. invention
>>>> of the Internet) while others get worse (e.g. affordability of
>>>> beach-front property).
>>>>
>>> Why would it? Consider that China is doing things we used to do and
>>> thats why their standard of living increased.
>>>
>>> Previously we had lots of good paying manufacturing jobs which enabled a
>>> true middle class.
>> it's called evolution, the work place in the US has evolved beyond
>> menial industrial tasks, people need to be trained and or educated in
>> order to make it in our society. People like you who are having
>> trouble with that reality are akin to the luddites who bemoaned the
>> industrial revolution.
>> the moral to the story is keep up or get left behind
>>
>> for the original poster, the standard of living in the US has jumped
>> by leaps and bounds over the last 50 years, wake up and look around,
>> more people have a much better lifestyle than ever before, the same
>> moral holds true for people who think like you
>> __________________________________________
>> Never argue with an idiot.
>> They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>Good job, you repeated what Rush told you to say without applying any
>critical thinking and then made yourself look even sillier by delivering
>an ad hominem attack.
your inability to think for yourself is highlighted by trying to
attack my ideas as being someone else's , I don't listen to rush,
wouldn't know where to find his broadcast or when it is broadcast, you
on the other hand appear to be trapped in a world you don't have an
ability to keep up with, c'est la vie
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 10:12 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aq4sk.7058$4s1.857@newsfe06.iad...
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> Nobody ever actually defines "the middle class" or "the rich".
>>
>> Because it isnt really possible to define it. But you never get the
>> middle class involved in collecting the garbage, doing the plumbing,
>> working in a factory, or cleaning either.
>>
>>> It's way easier to despise and wish to soak The Rich when you don't
>>> know that you're one of them.
>>
>> None of the rich ever want the rich to soaked and they certainly know
>> if they are rich or not.
>
> In the US, when politicians talk about "the rich" they mean something like
> a family earning $75K. I'm pretty sure that working people earning $75K
> don't know they're "rich". Sorry, I can't give you a cite because it's
> something I read over a year ago.

i've read 50k

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 11:09 am
From: "Rod Speed"

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote
> The Real Bev wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>>> timeOday wrote

>>>>> Considering the rapid increase in standard of living in China and
>>>>> India over the last decade or so, and considering we do business
>>>>> with them, it surprises me that the median US standard of living
>>>>> really hasn't increased in a generation or so. Some things get
>>>>> better (e.g. invention of the Internet) while others get worse
>>>>> (e.g. affordability of beach-front property).

>>>> Why would it? Consider that China is doing things we used to do and thats why their standard of living increased.

>>>> Previously we had lots of good paying manufacturing jobs which
>>>> enabled a true middle class.

>>> The real middle class never ever was involved in manufacturing jobs.

>> Certainly not actually having to TOUCH the machinery itself, but they might have started out that way.

> Sure they can.

Sure they can what ?

> I don't remember the exact numbers but there are distinct statistical groups.

Different matter entirely to what is being discussed.

> The poor are below whatever the poverty line is.

It aint that black and white either, essentially because 'the poverty line' is a very wooly concept.

> Then the middle class is divided into lower/middle/upper and then there are the rich.

You've forgotten the working class.

> Until recently many folks who worked in factories were the middle class.

Like hell they were. They were the working class.

>> Nobody ever actually defines "the middle class" or "the rich". It's way easier to despise and wish to soak The Rich
>> when you don't know that you're one of them.

> Not sure why you are reading that into what I said.

She isnt, we've moved on from what you said a bit to discussing just who 'the rich' are.

> This is the first time in the US where a child will likely statistically do worse than their parents.

Thats just plain wrong too, most obviously with the size of the houses and what they drive.

> From what it sounds like you are retired, you have yours and you don't particularly care but that doesn't mean the
> conditions I described aren't outside your window.

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 10:10 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Paulie Walnutts" <hoofhearted07@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 23, 9:20 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> <ultim...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:027762b1-6b33-47c6-9b70-75b1df75d09b@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/consumer/recalls&id=63...
>
> not tires, tire stems

From overuse. Thank you Obama.

defective chinese goods

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 10:39 am
From: Paulie Walnutts

On Aug 24, 9:41 am, Darkangel de la Louisiane <helli...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
> > AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
> >> <ultim...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/consumer/recalls&id=63...
>
> >> not tires, tire stems
>
> > Can you still get metal ones? Are they better or worse?
>
> Last time I went and bought yet another part for the car, I saw a couple
> of brands of what looked like metal stems.
>
> I'd guess they still sell them, but you need to either do your own tire
> work or ask for them to install them when you get tire work done
> someplace. Otherwise you'll just end up with the "el cheapo" hard
> plastic variety.

Clueless !!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 11:15 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Messiah Obama <spam@nospam.org> wrote the completely superfluous
proof that its never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

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