Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 9 topics

Sunday, August 10, 2008

25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Airport parking
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a3ffd0586c7477dd?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 9 2008 11:51 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <E_Ymk.6581$np7.4197@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com>, George Grapman wrote:
>
> There is no one size fits all for this. A taxi or shuttle may be
>cheaper but if you park your car on the street near your house you may
>need someone to move your car for street cleaning or tow away days.
> Check the yellow pages for discount coupons from private parking garages.

I have free off-street parking for my little-used (4,000 miles per year)
car at my apartment complex. (I commute by bike - which got even handier
this year now that gasoline is close to $4 per gallon!)
For one thing, I pay a reduced price for getting an exemption from
"emissions inspection" if I get my car inspected at a place that verifies
that I had no years driving that car 5000-plus miles since the most recent
time that the car passed actual testing while I had it registered to me.)

(Please consider also wear-and-tear on cars used for commuting, as in
mileage-related depreciation as well as repairs of blown water pumps,
alternators, starters and aged fuel filters and air filters and maybe
evaporation canisters and ignition wires as well as oil changes and wear
on tires.)

I notify the management at my apartment complex when I am about to spend
much time out-of-town - so far, not at times of years when it can snow
much my way. If they foresee need for my car to move when I will not be
around to move it, I will let them have the keys and a copy of the
insurance card.

When I fly out of town, what I prefer to do is take the local public
transit agency's way to the airport. However, for insane reason my
boyfriend prefers enough for me to take a taxi instead of public mass
transit to the airport to pay my taxi fare on the way there. He usually
drives to the airport personally to take me back home personally when I
get back into town! How sweet he is!!!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 12:07 am
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <%HYmk.6580$np7.5418@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com>, George Grapman wrote:
>terryc wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:02:36 -0700, jees85 wrote:
>>
>>> Booking airport parking with Journey Extras guarantees a car parking
>>> space on arrival at the airport at an unbeatable price due to their
>>> best price guarantee
>>
>> Train service is cheaper, quicker and more relaxng.
>
>
> I am going to NYC in a few weeks. Amtrak costs more and takes several
>days instead of several hours.

If you were going to NYC from where most out-of-state train traffic to
and from NYC occurs, you would know that such most travel into/out-of
NTC from USA "states" other than NY is same-day travel of around 250 miles
or less each way.

As an example - travel between Philadelphia and NYC. Those who know
"The Good Deals" such as the "Chinatown Buses" get from Philly to
Manhattan or back for about $15 or less, maybe $12 or $10 or so. (I have
doubt of $10 being current.)
More-major bus companies have appeared to me to sell online unsold bus
seats between Philly and NYC for a lot less to those flexible enough to
ride particularly scheduled buses that more-need to have seats filled -
maybe a mere couple of bucks each way IIRC.

It does appear to me that a majority of the time travel to/from NYC
to/from Wash-DC and Boston has a fair rate of being best-done by train or
bus or car, unless one has a specific need to hire a helicopter.
So far in my experience, I have done my plenty of travel up and down
USA's "Northeast Corridor" mainly by train, a few times by bus, and once
by helicopter. So far I did so without waiting through security lines.

One thing to consider is that a significant part of airport delay to get
onto major airline flights from major airports is for "checked baggage".

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 12:49 am
From: Dan Birchall

jees85@gmail.com (jees85@gmail.com) wrote:
> They offer the cheapest airport parking at 22 airports across the UK,

...and what've you got for the other 99.3% of the world's population?
Go spam the uk.* hierarchy.

--
http://ChocoLocate.com/ - The Chocolate Lovers' Page, established 1994.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 7:38 am
From: jdoe

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:40:01 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>
>It takes me 2+ hrs just to get to the gate (I only live 20 minutes from
>the airport).
just because you are challenged that doesn't mean your experiences
hold true for the majority of people, I rarely get to the airport 30
minutes prior to a flight. I don't check bags and I now how to get
through the airports quickly
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 7:42 am
From: jdoe

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:07:54 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

> As an example - travel between Philadelphia and NYC. Those who know
>"The Good Deals" such as the "Chinatown Buses" get from Philly to
>Manhattan or back for about $15 or less, maybe $12 or $10 or so. (I have
>doubt of $10 being current.)
> More-major bus companies have appeared to me to sell online unsold bus
>seats between Philly and NYC for a lot less to those flexible enough to
>ride particularly scheduled buses that more-need to have seats filled -
>maybe a mere couple of bucks each way IIRC.

sure those buses are cheap, but once you get there is your final
destination anywhere near where the bus leaves you?
In the end driving your own car turns out to be the fastest way to go,
door to door in less time it takes to get to the bus departure
station, ride the bus, get from the bus terminal to wherever it is you
need to be., as another poster noted wasting time to save small
amounts of money is wasteful too
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 8:25 am
From: George Grapman

I mentioned checking the yellow pages for parking coupons. Earlier
this year a garage sent me a no strings coupon for 7 days parking. I
used it for a 5 day trip. Now they send me half price coupons.

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TOPIC: clothesline
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/88c9a73afe4e7729?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 12:54 am
From: Dan Birchall

haaa@noway.net (Stephanie) wrote:
> VERY approximately how long does it take to dry regular clothes
> on the line?

Full sun, and a breeze? Probably 2-3 hours. Calm and cloudy, longer.
Raining, longer.

Our lines are in our carport since we live somewhere it rains most
nights, so there's not really much sun involved, but things typically
dry overnight.

--
http://ChocoLocate.com/ - The Chocolate Lovers' Page, established 1994.

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TOPIC: How to stop debt collectors from calling?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b2496090b808d63c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 1:05 am
From: Dan Birchall

none@none.net (OhioGuy) wrote:
> 10 years ago she had a messy divorce, where her husband took off
> with her best friend. She then found out he owed a LOT of money,
> which he had hidden from her. Despite his assurances of taking
> care of it, he took the cheaper way out of bankruptcy, which
> left my sister holding the bag.

They don't have the "innocent spouse" concept there? If she truly
wasn't privy to his dealings, in some jurisdictions that's a legal
defense.

--
http://ChocoLocate.com/ - The Chocolate Lovers' Page, established 1994.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 5:24 am
From: "h"

"Dan Birchall" <nobody@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com> wrote in message
news:slrng9t8a7.33n.nobody@my-286.myhome.westell.com...
> none@none.net (OhioGuy) wrote:
>> 10 years ago she had a messy divorce, where her husband took off
>> with her best friend. She then found out he owed a LOT of money,
>> which he had hidden from her. Despite his assurances of taking
>> care of it, he took the cheaper way out of bankruptcy, which
>> left my sister holding the bag.
>
> They don't have the "innocent spouse" concept there? If she truly
> wasn't privy to his dealings, in some jurisdictions that's a legal
> defense.
>

Do the debt collectors have her signature on any repayment guarantee
documents? If not, they can't collect. Many years ago my ex ran up a huge
bill on a credit card account he opened AFTER we divorced. The collectors
called me up, said I was a second card holder (I wasn't), and told me I had
to pay. I asked, "Do you have a piece of paper with my signature on it
indicating that I am responsible for this debt?" Long silence. Crickets.
Click. I never heard from those people again.

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TOPIC: The leeches are reaching for more
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 1:18 am
From: Dan Birchall

gonzo@alltomyself.com (Gordon) wrote:
> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric
> bill, a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up
> the heating oil tank. Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.

Sounds kinda like my upbringing, except my folks had a septic
field...

> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.

Again, pretty similar. I've got a HELOC in addition to the
mortgage, but my internet access is included in my phone bill,
so that's simpler. No cable TV here either. No sewer bill
yet, but the EPA is making us get rid of the cesspool and hook
up, so I'll have one eventually. And my garbage collection is
done by a small privately-owned local company. :)

> Of course it's not that simple.
> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,

Tell them where they can shove it.

> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data packages,

Mine has unlimited data bundled with it...

> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
> sell priemium membership.

I don't remember Facebook having premium membership... but
other than that, yeah, yuck, really.

The best way I've found of dealing with all this is to
automate the payments as much as possible. At this point,
*everything* except the trash collection and the electric
bill is either electronically debited from my bank account,
paid through PayPal (which has the same effect), or charged
to my credit card. And I'll get the electric bill automated
soon. The trash collectors, I just go outside at 7 o'clock
sharp, one Monday morning a month and give them cash. :)

A few of the places I pay have not yet figured out that
since I'm *paying* electronically, there is no need to send
me a paper bill and a return envelope... sigh. I hate
pointless snail-mail.

-Dan

--
http://ChocoLocate.com/ - The Chocolate Lovers' Page, established 1994.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 3:51 am
From: clams_casino

George Grapman wrote:

> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The cost of phone calls has gone down by factors of tens, hundreds
>>> even...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My phone bill is higher today than it's ever been.
>
> But are you making the same number of calls?

Yes, but we make very few phone calls - usually it's much cheaper /
faster (especially for reservations, etc) / easier to use email.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 4:39 am
From: George Grapman

clams_casino wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>
>> clams_casino wrote:
>>
>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cost of phone calls has gone down by factors of tens, hundreds
>>>> even...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> My phone bill is higher today than it's ever been.
>>
>> But are you making the same number of calls?
>
> Yes, but we make very few phone calls - usually it's much cheaper /
> faster (especially for reservations, etc) / easier to use email.
You must have an unusual calling pattern. I make more calls than ever
since I work at home but pay much less than I did 20 years ago.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 5:36 am
From: clams_casino

George Grapman wrote:

> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> George Grapman wrote:
>>
>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The cost of phone calls has gone down by factors of tens, hundreds
>>>>> even...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My phone bill is higher today than it's ever been.
>>>
>>>
>>> But are you making the same number of calls?
>>
>>
>> Yes, but we make very few phone calls - usually it's much cheaper /
>> faster (especially for reservations, etc) / easier to use email.
>
> You must have an unusual calling pattern. I make more calls than
> ever since I work at home but pay much less than I did 20 years ago.
>

Our 1998 bills averaged $22.05 / month with 115 min LD / mo.

Year to date 2008, they've averaged $28.56/mo for just 35 min long
distance / month. Our base rate is currently $9.17/month with $16.02 in
fees / taxes using a 5 cent offpeak & 10 cent / min flat rate LD calling
plan. Last month, our bill was $27.68 = $9.17 base rate, $1.48 for
LD calls (19 minutes) and $17.03 in taxes / fees.

Businesses have obviously made out well as the LD cost/min has dropped
significantly, an advantage for big users. Casual users have realized
a significant price hike due to all the fixed cost fees.

That's not including a Trac phone that we now have for convenience when
traveling, although it is rarely used & was not available 10 years ago.

Seems like most cell phone users are probably paying $50 and up / month,
although they are probably using them 500 hrs / month considering one in
every 10 drivers seem to be driving around just to talk on their phones.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 7:02 am
From: clams_casino

clams_casino wrote:

> George Grapman wrote:
>
>> clams_casino wrote:
>>
>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>
>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cost of phone calls has gone down by factors of tens,
>>>>>> hundreds even...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My phone bill is higher today than it's ever been.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But are you making the same number of calls?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but we make very few phone calls - usually it's much cheaper /
>>> faster (especially for reservations, etc) / easier to use email.
>>
>>
>> You must have an unusual calling pattern. I make more calls than
>> ever since I work at home but pay much less than I did 20 years ago.
>>
>
> Our 1998 bills averaged $22.05 / month with 115 min LD / mo.
>
> Year to date 2008, they've averaged $28.56/mo for just 35 min long
> distance / month. Our base rate is currently $9.17/month with $16.02
> in fees / taxes using a 5 cent offpeak & 10 cent / min flat rate LD
> calling plan. Last month, our bill was $27.68 = $9.17 base rate,
> $1.48 for LD calls (19 minutes) and $17.03 in taxes / fees.
>
> Businesses have obviously made out well as the LD cost/min has dropped
> significantly, an advantage for big users. Casual users have
> realized a significant price hike due to all the fixed cost fees.
> That's not including a Trac phone that we now have for convenience
> when traveling, although it is rarely used & was not available 10
> years ago.
>
> Seems like most cell phone users are probably paying $50 and up /
> month, although they are probably using them 500 hrs / month
> considering one in every 10 drivers seem to be driving around just to
> talk on their phones.

Just found some 1980 data - $18.88/mo. While I don't have those
individual bills, I believe my calling pattern did not change
significantly between 1980 vs. 1988 with probably twice the LD calling
of today (We don't call our children these days as much as we contacted
parents back then as we communicate more via email these days). My
current billing has a "special" $9.17 base rate since it has a measured
plan (90 local minutes with 4 cents/min for overage) vs. an unlimited
local calling plan in back years, although I doubt we have ever did >90
minutes local calling.

An unlimited local calling plan today would add another $10+/mo (closer
to $40 total /mo today with half the LD of past years - effectively 2x
from 10-20 years ago).

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 7:35 am
From: George Grapman

clams_casino wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>
>> clams_casino wrote:
>>
>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>
>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cost of phone calls has gone down by factors of tens, hundreds
>>>>>> even...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My phone bill is higher today than it's ever been.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But are you making the same number of calls?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but we make very few phone calls - usually it's much cheaper /
>>> faster (especially for reservations, etc) / easier to use email.
>>
>> You must have an unusual calling pattern. I make more calls than
>> ever since I work at home but pay much less than I did 20 years ago.
>>
>
> Our 1998 bills averaged $22.05 / month with 115 min LD / mo.
>
> Year to date 2008, they've averaged $28.56/mo for just 35 min long
> distance / month. Our base rate is currently $9.17/month with $16.02 in
> fees / taxes using a 5 cent offpeak & 10 cent / min flat rate LD calling
> plan. Last month, our bill was $27.68 = $9.17 base rate, $1.48 for
> LD calls (19 minutes) and $17.03 in taxes / fees.
>
> Businesses have obviously made out well as the LD cost/min has dropped
> significantly, an advantage for big users. Casual users have realized
> a significant price hike due to all the fixed cost fees.
> That's not including a Trac phone that we now have for convenience when
> traveling, although it is rarely used & was not available 10 years ago.
>
> Seems like most cell phone users are probably paying $50 and up / month,
> although they are probably using them 500 hrs / month considering one in
> every 10 drivers seem to be driving around just to talk on their phones.
How much do you pay per minute for toll calls?

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 8:30 am
From: clams_casino

George Grapman wrote:

> How much do you pay per minute for toll calls?

Not sure what you are asking for. My tracfone calls are high as a
per-minute variable cost vs. other plans, but very low when the monthly
fixed fees are considered due to my very low usage.

It's a similar situation for my current land-line usage vs. 10-20 years
ago, where the current per-minute variable cost is agreeably much lower
vs 10-20 years ago, but with a much higher monthly fixed cost.

With our limited usage, it could be cost effective to switch to two
tracfones (or more so with just one) vs. one tracfone / one land
line. A significant price hike by Verizon could trigger such a
change, but meanwhile I'm willing to pay a small premium for the land
line convenience. The math gets complicated, however due to the high
variable cost of Tracfone LD.

I'm currently paying 5-10 cents / minute (off peak vs. peak ) for
land-line LD distance calling (occasionally using a 5-cent / min calling
card if in peak times or from motel rooms, etc) which is agreeably much
cheaper (variable cost) vs. 10 - 20 years ago, but if one factors in the
fixed monthly charge (fixed + variable / total minutes), the cost is
currently about double vs. 10-20 years ago.

I could significant lower my overall per minute cost by calling more
(phone companies would live that), but why - especially with free,
easy-to-use email. Meanwhile, my < $30/mo cost of a land land is much
cheaper for us than common cell phone plans (typically $50 or more).

Two tracfones could be in our future for about the cost of our current
$29/ mo land line / single tracfone. One tracfone would obviously be
cheaper, but we are still willing to pay a premium for "conference"
calls with the kids and the conveniences of a land line.

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TOPIC: Inflate yo tires? the Pledge
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3091ed9d02910976?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 6:03 am
From: Derald

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>They were 26-29 psi - filled them to 34 psi
...might not be "enough". As a general rule, try ± 10% over what's
printed on the sidewall; more, if it's a truck or blimpmobile

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 6:03 am
From: Derald

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

>Limbaugh claimed he said we should over inflate them.
> The dittoheads believe Limbaugh.
Good for them; because, according to Michelin ca mid-1970's,
assbreath is correct. I still have the letter from Michelin advising
"over" inflation by about 10% (as a starting place) for increased
performance and lifetime of radial-ply tires. Of course, nowadays,
corporate liability attorneys would never let such a recommendation be
posted. Without going into detail, handling, safety and longevity are
*not* primary considerations when recommendations are determined;
perceived softness of ride and noise level both take precedence. Only in
America.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 6:03 am
From: Derald

A Veteran <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

>Your tires may last longer too.
LOL! What possible effect will getting on your looney-tunes mailing
list have on a person's tires? I'm a veteran ('nam, '69-'70), too, but
I keep it in my pants; where do I join if I don't want my taxes used to
provide food, shelter and medical care to some street thug's and his
cow's bastards? Hmmm? Certainly _voting_ has provided no relief....

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 5:55 am
From: clams_casino

Derald wrote:

>George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Limbaugh claimed he said we should over inflate them.
>> The dittoheads believe Limbaugh.
>>
>>
> Good for them; because, according to Michelin ca mid-1970's,
>assbreath is correct. I still have the letter from Michelin advising
>"over" inflation by about 10% (as a starting place) for increased
>performance and lifetime of radial-ply tires. Of course, nowadays,
>corporate liability attorneys would never let such a recommendation be
>posted. Without going into detail, handling, safety and longevity are
>*not* primary considerations when recommendations are determined;
>perceived softness of ride and noise level both take precedence. Only in
>America.
>
>

and who would know better about being over inflated than Rush? It's
certainly increased his wealth.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 5:56 am
From: clams_casino

Derald wrote:

>clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>They were 26-29 psi - filled them to 34 psi
>>
>>
> ...might not be "enough". As a general rule, try ± 10% over what's
>printed on the sidewall; more, if it's a truck or blimpmobile
>
>

32 - so I'm close enough for my comfort level.

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TOPIC: Ice maker and Murphy's law
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 6:15 am
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <g7looe$8fp$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@bex.net> wrote:
>terryc wrote:
>> and electricty to the hot water heater.

>"hot water heater" If the water is hot, it doesn't need heated.

It does if you need hotter water, as is the case with many dishwashers.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?

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TOPIC: Website space for sale at a very cheap rate
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 8:07 am
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TOPIC: Please help Burnham RSM-126 oil furnace won't heat hot water after
vacation
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 11:48 am
From: Donita Luddington

Please help me. I don't know what to do. After a short vacation, my oil
furnace won't turn on automatically for hot water. Nothing else changed.

My home has a 19 year old oil furnace which says Burnham RSM-126 on a
plate. It will not turn on automatically for hot water.

I have to keep hitting the start button to make it turn on to heat the hot
water.

This problem started after I had the water and furnace turned off for 2
weeks while I headed off on vacation.

Any suggestions on how I can troubleshoot this on my own? Or is this one
item which isn't home testable since it involves oil?

Donna

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TOPIC: It's a piece of cake
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 11:51 am
From: fws

The two great roles a woman plays in life are that of a wife and a
mother. The Prophet , once said to a group of Companions : "The best
among you are those who are the best to their wives." This shows that
Islam highly encourages treating the wives well. They should be shown
love, respect and care. To foster the love and security that comes
with marriage, Muslim wives have various rights. The first of the
wife's rights is to receive dowry, a gift from the husband, which is
part of the marriage contract and required for the legality of the
marriage.

The second right of a wife is maintenance. Despite any wealth she may
have, her husband is obligated to provide her with food, shelter and
clothing. He is not forced, however, to spend beyond his capability
and his wife is not entitled to make unreasonable demands.

Concerning motherhood, the Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu 'alayhi
wasallam, said: "Heaven lies under the feet of mothers." This implies
that the success of a society can be traced to the mothers who raised
it. The first and greatest influence on a person comes from the sense
of security, affection and training received from the mother.
Therefore, a woman having children must be educated and conscientious
in order to be a skillful parent.

A man came to the Prophet, sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam, and asked:
"Who among my kinfolk is worthy of my good companionship?" The
Prophet , replied: "Your mother" three times before saying: "Your
father." This indicates the impact that a mother has in a person's
life. So women are highly honored in this great religion.

Islam is a religion that treats women fairly. The Muslim woman was
given a role, duties and rights 1400 years ago that most women do not
enjoy even today in the West. These rights are from God and are
designed to maintain a balance in society; what may seem "unjust" or
"missing" in one place is compensated for or explained in another
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