Monday, August 11, 2008

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* Oil for plastic laptop hinges - 20 messages, 14 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c2280d0f17bcf6c4?hl=en
* Travel To Singapore?Travel To Qatar?Travel To Philippines?Lets Go Now!!!! -
2 messages, 1 author
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* How to get a good Reverse Mortgage? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Frugal ideas - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Inflation - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Oil for plastic laptop hinges
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== 1 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:13 am
From: "john hamilton"


Screen appear to move' makinges on our fujitsu laptop screen difficult
to move' making they get very 'difficult to move' making the hinges on
our fujitsu laptop screen appear to fold up and they get very 'difficult
to move' makinges on our fujitsu laptop screen appear to fold up and the
hinges on our fujitsu laptop.

That seems effective tried 'wd-40', but time. We have have for only a
very short that seems effective tried 'wd-40', but that seems effective
tried 'wd-40', but that seems.

Might it might it might it might effect the plastic. We we thinking of
us to use oil, but somebody has thinking olive ordinary oil as were the
plasticky, over time. We we that olive oil as that olive ordinary oil
'degrades' and goes stic. We were are thinking olive oil as told us
thought it might effect that olive oil as thinking of us thinking of use
oil 'degrades' and goes stic. We were.

Unknown quantity to 'degrade'. Still it's made'. Still it comes from
camellia oil that was given to us, and is suppose not to us, and is
suppose not to us, and it come camellias given to 'degrade from camellia
oil that was an an and is suppose not some camellia oil that was given
to us, and it come camellias an unknown quantity to us. We have got to
'degrade'.

We dont want want in thanks. Does and safe lubricant want in the
plastions, this lap top. Grateful for and safe lubricant to case? Since
we dont in this cause a suitablems with the plastic on the plastions,
thanks. Does anyone know what would be any suitablems with this lap to
cause anyone know what want in this lap top. Grateful for anyone know
what want want in this lap to cause.

== 2 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:16 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Rod Speed, ye blubbery poor fragment, I know thou art an irksome
brawling scold, ye suspired:

> how do you know when you get an orgasum?

== 3 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:20 am
From: "Kadaitcha Man"


Steve Firth, ye bug-eyed subtle whore, the wicked fires of lust have
melted thou in thine own grease, ye gabbled:

> john hamilton <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very
>> short
>> time.
>
> <cringe>
>
> That could be the cause of your problems. Firstly WD40 isn't really a
> lubricant

Yet another fucking moron.

LUBRICATES
WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all moving
parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract dust
and dirt.

http://www.wd40.com.au/WD-40.html

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== 4 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:22 am
From: me


%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
news:1ilieph.1dc92ymu1qav4N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:

>Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> I notice that you have carefully removed the question mark that I
>> had
>> after the word "lubricant" which changes its context rather, from the
>> 'possibility suggestion' intended, to a statement, which certainly
>> wasn't intended.
>
>Oh FFS are you all on the blob at the moment?
>

There is also powdered teflon...


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== 5 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:23 am
From: "Kadaitcha Man"


Arfa Daily, ye filthy malt-horse, if you spend word for word with me, I
shall make your wit bankrupt, ye issued forth:

>
> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1ilia4d.evnbln1doym12N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
>> Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dry graphite lock lubricant
>>
>> Are you sure you want to be spraying graphite around near a laptop?
>
> Well, I take your point on its potential conductivity, but I would
> consider it highly unlikely that sufficient could actually get inside to
> anywhere 'electrical' enough to cause a problem

Real meaning: "I have never seen graphite, let alone used it."

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== 6 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:28 am
From: "d"

"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message > Yet
another fucking moron.
>
> LUBRICATES
> WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all
> moving
> parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract
> dust
> and dirt.

You've already cut-n-pasted that, are your multiple personalities
communicating properly?


== 7 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:36 am
From: "Kadaitcha Man"


d, ye toilet-scrubbing doghearted daughter, o you beast, o faithless
coward, o dishonest wretch. Wilt thou be made a man out of my vice, ye
released:

>
> "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message > Yet
> another fucking moron.
>>
>> LUBRICATES
>> WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all
>> moving
>> parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract
>> dust
>> and dirt.
>
> You've already cut-n-pasted tha<BITCHSLAP>

You snipped the bit where it said "Yet another fucking moron." Perhaps
because you knew, or at least suspected, that it applied to you too.

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Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007.
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== 8 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:38 am
From: "d"

"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:q3f40y$unq$n@alt.books.nylons.net.brunei...
> d, ye toilet-scrubbing doghearted daughter, o you beast, o faithless
> coward, o dishonest wretch. Wilt thou be made a man out of my vice, ye
> released:
>
>>
>> "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message > Yet
>> another fucking moron.
>>>
>>> LUBRICATES
>>> WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all
>>> moving
>>> parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract
>>> dust
>>> and dirt.
>>
>> You've already cut-n-pasted tha<BITCHSLAP>
>
> You snipped the bit where it said "Yet another fucking moron." Perhaps
> because you knew, or at least suspected, that it applied to you too.
>

Look again, typical of you.

You have no idea what your ranting about

hth

== 9 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:47 am
From: "Kadaitcha Man"


d, ye callow minion of the moon, a knot you are of damned blood suckers,
ye winced:

>
> "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:q3f40y$unq$n@alt.books.nylons.net.brunei...
>> d, ye toilet-scrubbing doghearted daughter, o you beast, o faithless
>> coward, o dishonest wretch. Wilt thou be made a man out of my vice, ye
>> released:
>>
>>>
>>> "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message > Yet
>>> another fucking moron.
>>>>
>>>> LUBRICATES
>>>> WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all
>>>> moving
>>>> parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract
>>>> dust
>>>> and dirt.
>>>
>>> You've already cut-n-pasted tha<BITCHSLAP>
>>
>> You snipped the bit where it said "Yet another fucking moron." Perhaps
>> because you knew, or at least suspected, that it applied to you too.
>>
>
> Look aga<BITCHSLAP>

You do it.

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Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007.
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== 10 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:45 am
From: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)


Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yet another fucking moron.

Good of you to introduce yourself.

The War Department specified WD-40 as a water dispersant. Not as a
lubricant.

== 11 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:32 am
From: "John"

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1ilia4d.evnbln1doym12N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dry graphite lock lubricant
>
> Are you sure you want to be spraying graphite around near a laptop?

Many such things are 'lubricated' on assembly with a damping fluid - a bit
like the spindles on controls - to give that "stirring treacle" feel (a
wonderful expression - found on this group)

A typical long chain molecule compound is this one:

http://www.rocol.com/lubricants/english/maintenance/damping/

Kilopoise.

Removing this can make the assembly feel very sloppy. Alternatively it may
have some sort of spring loaded expanding spindle to give some braking
effect.


== 12 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:38 am
From: "d"

"john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
> they get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up
> and down.
>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
> time.
>
> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
> plastic. We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us
> that olive oil 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

If you can get the hinge covers of, you may find a few screws holding the
hinge-proper in place.

You could try loosening these, or even dismantling the hinge and cleaning
it. They will be metal parts,

You may find a manual for the laptop on the Fujitsu website.

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== 13 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:56 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)


In article <g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org>, "john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.
>
>We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>time.
>
>We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
>We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
>Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.


CRC 2-26
CRC 2-26
CRC 2-26
CRC 2-26
CRC 2-26

CRC 2-26

TRY getting it at The Home Depot.

http://www.crcindustries.com/faxdocs/TCHDTA/101.pdf

== 14 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:04 am
From: me@privacy.net


"john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.

I use this Teflon based dry lube around the house.
maybe try it?

http://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Multi-Use-Lubricant-Fluoropolymer-squeeze/dp/B00030BFEM

== 15 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:07 am
From: "d"

"d" <meh@hg.con> wrote in message
news:i9Ynk.40683$E41.9112@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
>> they get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up
>> and down.
>>
>> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very
>> short time.
>>
>> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
>> plastic. We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us
>> that olive oil 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>>
>> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>>
>> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this
>> case? Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this
>> lap top. Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>
> If you can get the hinge covers of, you may find a few screws holding the
> hinge-proper in place.
>
> You could try loosening these, or even dismantling the hinge and cleaning
> it. They will be metal parts,
>
> You may find a manual for the laptop on the Fujitsu website.

p.s.

if u look at this ebay auction of a laptop hinge

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ADVENT-3087-LEFT-RIGHT-HINGES-MB127_W0QQitemZ220264193650QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220264193650&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

the actual hinge is a pole underneath the black part in the middle.

Grease is used on it.

the WD40 may have degraded the grease.

I seem to semember that trying to loosen the screws was difficult.

It does need fixing though, because it puts pressure on the frame, screen
and surrounding plastics, causing cracks and eventually .....


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== 16 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:20 am
From: John Rumm


john hamilton wrote:

> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.

http://cpc.farnell.com/SASILGRSETUBE/electrochemicals-adhesives-service-aids/product.us0?sku=servisol-200002000-50gm

--
Cheers,

John.

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== 17 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:36 am
From: "newshound"


Silicone, as used for plumbing fittings


== 18 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:30 am
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)


"Srayon brand" S00206 5% all-purpose silicone lube (not an oil) is an
multi-purpose lube where petroleum based products are not desired.

Typical uses; windows, rubber components, doors, plastic assemblies,
drawers, dissimilar metals, hinges, and so on.

Then again pour some Slick 50 on it, works good in my lawn tractor.

Tommy

== 19 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:41 am
From: NOSPAMnet@gmail.com


On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:50 +0100, "john hamilton"
<bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.
>
>We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>time.
>
>We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
>We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
>Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>

I'm surprised no-one has been along to tell you to stop doing
unmentionable things over your laptop.!!!!!!!!! :-)

== 20 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:43 am
From: Jeff Liebermann


On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:50 +0100, "john hamilton"
<bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.

Any particular model Fujitsu? All the one's that I've seen have metal
hinges buried under the plastic hinge cover.

>We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>time.

Big mess, doesn't stay put, drips, and doesn't last. Also eats some
plastics.

>We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.

True. Same with most vegetable oils.

>We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>it's an unknown quantity to us.

Dunno.

>Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

Silicon lube should work. However, I would use soap. That's common
ordinary soap flakes or shredded Ivory brand soap bars. That's what I
use for doors, hinges, screws, cd trays, and any place where I need a
no-mess lube job.

Also, I would look a bit more carefully at the hinge you're attempting
to lube, and see if you're not shaving plastic as it moves. The
plastic chips will imbed themselves into the pivot area and eventually
jam the hinge. Just cleaning out the crud might be sufficient to make
the hinge work normally.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:42 am
From: cakapgold


Travel To Singapore?Travel To Qatar?Travel To Philippines?Lets Go
Now!!!!

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:54 am
From: cakagold


cakapgold wrote:

> Travel To Singapore? Sex tours starting at $99.99 (more for children)
>
>
> http://travel.cakapgold.com


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:55 am
From: A VFW


why do they charge so much to set up what is basically a lien on your
property?
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:48 am
From: clams_casino


A VFW wrote:

>why do they charge so much to set up what is basically a lien on your
>property?
>
>

risk that some might live longer than expected / risk that values may
actually ........ drop


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:29 am
From: clams_casino


Tommy wrote:

>I'm curious to know some of your frugal ideals that you started. That
>is up, and running.
>
>TIA, Tommy.
>
>
>

Some improved habits vs. past years include 30% less YTD mileage,
shifting much of our local mileage onto our older car that gets 15%
better gas mileage and dropping the temp setting while away in the
winter/ raising it during the summer even for relatively short trips. A
chunk of the reduced mileage was realized because we flew rather than
driving, but the airfare was nearly the cost of just gas, saving
significantly on depreciation, etc.

We have used programmable thermostats for several years, but starting
this past winter, we began changing the temp setting even for short
durations away from home. With the thermostat located near the door we
use most all the time, it's become any easy habit to drop the temp
several degrees upon leaving in the winter (even for an hour or so) &
raising the temp setting a few degrees when leaving in the summer.
Resetting the temp upon return actually makes it more comfortable than
simply maintain the temp because there is immediate air circulation.
After taking summer walks, even a few degrees higher is comfortable upon
return.

A third source of significant savings has been by transferring about a
fourth of our grocery shopping to Aldie's. They moved in locally this
past March and as we try more of their items, we do more repeat buying
after finding their quality to be typically better than other generics.

We've also significantly reduced (nearly eliminated) our motel costs by
traveling / making day trips much closer to home.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:37 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"


--
----------------------
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice
cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
everything." -- Josef V. Stalin

www.myspace.com/bodybuildinggranny

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some surprises.

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:knMnk.8604$i15.4413@newsfe01.iad...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>>"Patricia Martin Steward" <impatstew@notverizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:djfp945a2eevofm8p7jni3l1bjvu6c860g@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:00:15 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
>>><derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>i just read something that inflation is more like 12-14% using pre
>>>>clinton
>>>>methodology. so, those of the clinton era did something to change how
>>>>we
>>>>calculate inflation so it's now something like 5%. of course, figures
>>>>lie
>>>>and liars figure.
>>>>
>>>Here's what I know: we had it GOOD in the Clinton era -- great
>>>economy, low unemployment, and he left a surplus behind.
>>>
>>>What do we have now?
>>>
>>
>>HE DID NOT LEAVE A SURPLUS. just an illusion of one. not even sure
>>if the money for the analog airwaves has been collected yet.
>>
>>
> Whether or not he left a surplus is obviously up for debate based on how
> it is figured.

liars figure. surely you can't believe that you have a surplus when you
haven't
recieved the payment? no wonder this country's in trouble.

>
> No matter how it's figured, we the people have well over $0.5T in MORE
> debt than when GW was placed in office.
>
> That's not debatable.
>


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