Frugal Living: 26 new messages in 9 topics

Monday, August 11, 2008

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Oil for plastic laptop hinges
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c2280d0f17bcf6c4?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:43 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:50 +0100, "john hamilton"
<bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.

Any particular model Fujitsu? All the one's that I've seen have metal
hinges buried under the plastic hinge cover.

>We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>time.

Big mess, doesn't stay put, drips, and doesn't last. Also eats some
plastics.

>We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.

True. Same with most vegetable oils.

>We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>it's an unknown quantity to us.

Dunno.

>Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

Silicon lube should work. However, I would use soap. That's common
ordinary soap flakes or shredded Ivory brand soap bars. That's what I
use for doors, hinges, screws, cd trays, and any place where I need a
no-mess lube job.

Also, I would look a bit more carefully at the hinge you're attempting
to lube, and see if you're not shaving plastic as it moves. The
plastic chips will imbed themselves into the pivot area and eventually
jam the hinge. Just cleaning out the crud might be sufficient to make
the hinge work normally.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:44 am
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)

I know I know Slick 50 is teflon

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:20 am
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 11, 2:32 am, "john hamilton" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
> down.
>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
> time.
>
> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

Haven't read the rest of these so there could be duplicates. I'd try
some of that locksmith powdered slate; for the life of me I can't
think of the "name".

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:21 am
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 11, 3:08 am, "Arfa Daily" <arfa.da...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Shawn Hirn" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:srhi-F33D9F.05530611082008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <g7p10c$9h...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> > "john hamilton" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
> >> they
> >> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
> >> down.
>
> >> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very
> >> short
> >> time.
>
> >> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
> >> plastic.
> >> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive
> >> oil
> >> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> >> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> >> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
> >> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> >> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this
> >> case?
> >> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap
> >> top.
> >> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>
> > I suggest you contact Fujitsu's tech support to discuss this problem.
>
> Dry graphite lock lubricant, maybe ? A tint squirt of wax furniture polish ?
>
> Arfa- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Graphite...that's the stuff I was thinking of :) Worked great on my
vinyl window track :)

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 11:56 am
From: jakdedert

NOSPAMnet@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:50 +0100, "john hamilton"
> <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>> down.
>>
>> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>> time.
>>
>> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>>
>> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>>
>> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>>
>
> I'm surprised no-one has been along to tell you to stop doing
> unmentionable things over your laptop.!!!!!!!!! :-)

Nobody wanted to mention it....

jak

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 12:56 pm
From: Gordon

"john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in
news:g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
> they get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold
> up and down.
>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very
> short time.
>
> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
> plastic. We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us
> that olive oil 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'.
> Still it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this
> case? Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on
> this lap top. Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>
>

Do you have a hobby shop in your area?
Esp. one that caters to Model railroaders?
You can buy a Plastics Compatible Lube there.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 2:06 pm
From: Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Kadaitcha Man"
<nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> saying something like:

>Yet another fucking moron.
>
>LUBRICATES
>WD-40?s lubricating ingredients

are utter shite.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 4:17 pm
From: Jamie

john hamilton wrote:

> Screen appear to move' makinges on our fujitsu laptop screen difficult
> to move' making they get very 'difficult to move' making the hinges on
> our fujitsu laptop screen appear to fold up and they get very 'difficult
> to move' makinges on our fujitsu laptop screen appear to fold up and the
> hinges on our fujitsu laptop.
>
> That seems effective tried 'wd-40', but time. We have have for only a
> very short that seems effective tried 'wd-40', but that seems effective
> tried 'wd-40', but that seems.
>
> Might it might it might it might effect the plastic. We we thinking of
> us to use oil, but somebody has thinking olive ordinary oil as were the
> plasticky, over time. We we that olive oil as that olive ordinary oil
> 'degrades' and goes stic. We were are thinking olive oil as told us
> thought it might effect that olive oil as thinking of us thinking of use
> oil 'degrades' and goes stic. We were.
>
> Unknown quantity to 'degrade'. Still it's made'. Still it comes from
> camellia oil that was given to us, and is suppose not to us, and is
> suppose not to us, and it come camellias given to 'degrade from camellia
> oil that was an an and is suppose not some camellia oil that was given
> to us, and it come camellias an unknown quantity to us. We have got to
> 'degrade'.
>
> We dont want want in thanks. Does and safe lubricant want in the
> plastions, this lap top. Grateful for and safe lubricant to case? Since
> we dont in this cause a suitablems with the plastic on the plastions,
> thanks. Does anyone know what would be any suitablems with this lap to
> cause anyone know what want in this lap top. Grateful for anyone know
> what want want in this lap to cause.
>
Powdered Graphite..

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 4:09 pm
From: "Kadaitcha Man"

Steve Firth, ye reeky cur, a bankrupt, a prodigal, who dare scarce show
thy head on Usenet, ye chortled:

> Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yet another fucking moron.
>
> Good of you to introduce yourself.
>
> The War Department specified WD-40 as a water dispersant. Not as a
> lubricant.

LMAO "The War Department specified WD-40 as a water dispersant. Not as a
lubricant"..."therefore it is not a lubricant."

You fucking stupid cunt.

--
Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook,
Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007.
Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660
Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 4:10 pm
From: "Kadaitcha Man"

Grimly Curmudgeon, ye rude-growing gudgeon, thou art opposite to
humanity, ye proclaimed:

> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Kadaitcha Man"
> <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> saying something like:
>
>>Yet another fucking moron.
>>
>>LUBRICATES
>>WD-40?s lubricating ingredients
>
> are utter shite.

So fucking what? Take it up with the manufacturer, you fucking gormless tit.

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TOPIC: Frugal ideas
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:44 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"phil scott" <phil@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:880d3b31-d08a-441b-861b-6ee6a76e376d@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 10, 5:12 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> the gas furnace in our house was put in around 1955. the
> furnace guy says it's operating at a decent efficiency and that we
> shouldn't change it out yet.

hes probably correct...thats old though. some that old get cracks in
the heat exchanger and leak carbon monoxide into the occupied
space.... look under the burner area for large chunks of rust and
debris... if there is a lot, its not a good sign. if no chunks of
rust under there that is unusual and means the heat x is probably not
rusted etc.

thanks, will do. we do have a cm detector in the basement, but
i was told by the codes guy that by the time those things go off,
it's too late. and we do run a dehumidifier down there yr round,
so that might be helping with the rust. but i'll have to go look to
be sure.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:40 am
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)

Days trips is a good idea. I also program my thermostat if gone more
than a couple of hours. just a few seconds to do, and at the end of the
month I have "some" extra gas money LOL.

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TOPIC: Fowl Math
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:09 am
From: Terri

manny <manolid1@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:e2579a07-2e20-447d-b566-0729b9b2128e@h17g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

>
> I am still wondering how you can possibly get 7 quarts of stock from
> one damn chicken??? Manoli
>
8 quarts of water go into the stock.

My basic recipe:
2 chickens if possible (since you're going to all the work anyway)
In the biggest stock pot possible place the whole chicken(s)
in 8 quarts of water.
2 cups each of coursely chopped onions, celery & carrots
8 garlic cloves
5 bay leaves
salt to taste
2 teaspoons black peppercorns
1 teaspoon rosemary, oregano, basil and tarragon

Bring to a rolling boil then reduce heat and simmer for a few hours
until chicken falls from the bone. Cool and debone the chicken,
placing the bones back in the pot and refrigerate for 8 hours or so.
Remove the chilled fat from the surface and bring the broth, bones
and vegetables in the pot to a boil and simmer for an hour or so.
Cool, strain and place broth in containers to freeze. The vegetables
can be used for dumplings or biscuits for flavor if desired.
The bones should be the only thing left along with whatever you
picked off the chicken and didn't use, such as the skin.

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TOPIC: How to get a good Reverse Mortgage?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:11 am
From: Ron Peterson

On Aug 11, 8:55 am, A VFW <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> why do they charge so much to set up what is basically a lien on your
> property?

Clams has it right. It's an expensive proposition for the mortgage
issuer and may not work that well for you.

If you have to move from your house for medical or other reasons, you
may lose your house.

It would be better to refinance your house and buy an pre-paid annuity
assuming you are over 70 and in good health.

If you develop disabilities, you may want to move to a new house or
condo that will have fewer impediments.

--
Ron

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TOPIC: atleast read once
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:40 am
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:42 am
From: artimathur4u@gmail.com

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Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:58 am
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TOPIC: The leeches are reaching for more
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 10:52 am
From: "Bob F"

"Coffee's For Closers" <Usenet2008@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message
news:MPG.2303f17eb0b583209896c7@news.motzarella.org...

> Also, I generally use the term, "leech" to mean someone who only
> takes/demands, without offering anything at all in return.
> Although I have known leeches who insisted that they were selling
> the wonderful "service" of allowing other people to feel the joy
> of "helping."

Leaches give too! Blood thinners.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 2:17 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 10, 8:30 pm, "Gregory Morrow"
<FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz> wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > > clams_casino wrote:
>
> > >> clams_casino wrote:
>
> > >>> George Grapman wrote:
>
> > >>>> clams_casino wrote:
>
> > >>>>> George Grapman wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>> The cost of phone calls has gone down by factors of tens,
> > >>>>>>>> hundreds even...
>
> > >>>>>>> My phone bill is higher today than it's ever been.
>
> > >>>>>> But are you making the same number of calls?
>
> > >>>>> Yes, but we make very few phone calls - usually it's much cheaper /
> > >>>>> faster (especially for reservations, etc) / easier to use email.
>
> > >>>> You must have an unusual calling pattern. I make more calls than
> > >>>> ever since I work at home but pay much less than I did 20 years ago.
>
> > >>> Our 1998 bills averaged $22.05 / month with 115 min LD / mo.
>
> > >>> Year to date 2008, they've averaged $28.56/mo for just 35 min long
> > >>> distance / month. Our base rate is currently $9.17/month with $16.02
> > >>> in fees / taxes using a 5 cent offpeak & 10 cent / min flat rate LD
> > >>> calling plan. Last month, our bill was $27.68 = $9.17 base rate,
> > >>> $1.48 for LD calls (19 minutes) and $17.03 in taxes / fees.
>
> > >>> Businesses have obviously made out well as the LD cost/min has dropped
> > >>> significantly, an advantage for big users. Casual users have
> > >>> realized a significant price hike due to all the fixed cost fees.
> > >>> That's not including a Trac phone that we now have for convenience
> > >>> when traveling, although it is rarely used & was not available 10
> > >>> years ago.
>
> > >>> Seems like most cell phone users are probably paying $50 and up /
> > >>> month, although they are probably using them 500 hrs / month
> > >>> considering one in every 10 drivers seem to be driving around just to
> > >>> talk on their phones.
>
> > >> Just found some 1980 data - $18.88/mo.
>
> > > About $53.00 in present - day dollars...
>
> > Which is about what I pay for unlimited service with all the add ons
> > like caller ID and three way.
>
> Yup, me too...and most of these features were the stuff of science fiction
> or just in development c. 1980. Plus which we can choose our carriers and
> our phone hardware...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In 1981 I remember thinking how "Hi-Tech" I was when I got a touch
tone phone that let me "program" 12 phone #'s into a speed dial area
on the front. That phone was so cool one of my roommate's brothers
stole it! :D

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:04 pm
From: George Grapman

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Aug 10, 8:30 pm, "Gregory Morrow"
> <FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz> wrote:
>> George Grapman wrote:
>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>>>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The cost of phone calls has gone down by factors of tens,
>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds even...
>>>>>>>>>> My phone bill is higher today than it's ever been.
>>>>>>>>> But are you making the same number of calls?
>>>>>>>> Yes, but we make very few phone calls - usually it's much cheaper /
>>>>>>>> faster (especially for reservations, etc) / easier to use email.
>>>>>>> You must have an unusual calling pattern. I make more calls than
>>>>>>> ever since I work at home but pay much less than I did 20 years ago.
>>>>>> Our 1998 bills averaged $22.05 / month with 115 min LD / mo.
>>>>>> Year to date 2008, they've averaged $28.56/mo for just 35 min long
>>>>>> distance / month. Our base rate is currently $9.17/month with $16.02
>>>>>> in fees / taxes using a 5 cent offpeak & 10 cent / min flat rate LD
>>>>>> calling plan. Last month, our bill was $27.68 = $9.17 base rate,
>>>>>> $1.48 for LD calls (19 minutes) and $17.03 in taxes / fees.
>>>>>> Businesses have obviously made out well as the LD cost/min has dropped
>>>>>> significantly, an advantage for big users. Casual users have
>>>>>> realized a significant price hike due to all the fixed cost fees.
>>>>>> That's not including a Trac phone that we now have for convenience
>>>>>> when traveling, although it is rarely used & was not available 10
>>>>>> years ago.
>>>>>> Seems like most cell phone users are probably paying $50 and up /
>>>>>> month, although they are probably using them 500 hrs / month
>>>>>> considering one in every 10 drivers seem to be driving around just to
>>>>>> talk on their phones.
>>>>> Just found some 1980 data - $18.88/mo.
>>>> About $53.00 in present - day dollars...
>>> Which is about what I pay for unlimited service with all the add ons
>>> like caller ID and three way.
>> Yup, me too...and most of these features were the stuff of science fiction
>> or just in development c. 1980. Plus which we can choose our carriers and
>> our phone hardware...
>>
>> --
>> Best
>> Greg- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> In 1981 I remember thinking how "Hi-Tech" I was when I got a touch
> tone phone that let me "program" 12 phone #'s into a speed dial area
> on the front. That phone was so cool one of my roommate's brothers
> stole it! :D

Around that time I got a post-paid phone card. It "only" added $1.50
to the cost of a call and there was no pay phone surcharge. Being in
outside sales I thought it was a great convenience.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 11:07 am
From: George

Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <1Otnk.16331$cW3.1470@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>> 800-411-SAVE
>> Yes, you listen to an ad but get a liver operator. Great especially on
>> your cell.
>> Note: May not work from all areas.
>
> Wow! Do people still call directory assistance? I guess so. I for one
> haven't had to call directory assistance in more years then I can
> remember. If I need to look up a phone number, I just google it or I
> look it up at http://www.yellowpages.com

What if you are on the road and don't have a cellphone with browsing
capability?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 11:12 am
From: "MarieD"

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:qf2dnZQk5vVH4j3VnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
> What if you are on the road and don't have a cellphone with browsing
> capability?

I'd call someone who can look it up for me. I've had to pull over and call
someone to mapquest directions for me.
Marie

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 1:02 pm
From: Parallax

George wrote:
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>> In article <1Otnk.16331$cW3.1470@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> 800-411-SAVE
>>> Yes, you listen to an ad but get a liver operator. Great especially
>>> on your cell.
>>> Note: May not work from all areas.
>>
>> Wow! Do people still call directory assistance? I guess so. I for one
>> haven't had to call directory assistance in more years then I can
>> remember. If I need to look up a phone number, I just google it or I
>> look it up at http://www.yellowpages.com
>
> What if you are on the road and don't have a cellphone with browsing
> capability?

You can send a text msg to GOOGL (46645), with the kind of thing you're
looking for and the zipcode, for example 'pizza 90210', and you get an
immediate text back with the results. I haven't tried texting the exact
name of the place you're looking for but I'm guessing that would work too.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:04 pm
From: clams_casino

A bit dated (May), but

"It takes 1.33 gallons of E85 (85 percent ethanol) and 1.03 gallons of
E10 (10 percent ethanol) to travel the same distance as with one gallon
of pure gasoline, the Department of Energy says."

"A Postal Service study found the new vehicles got as much as 29 percent
fewer miles to the gallon."

and part that really hurts - "The U.S. pays oil refiners like Exxon
Mobil 51 cents in tax refunds for each gallon of ethanol they blend into
regular gasoline.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aj.h0coJSkpw&refer=us

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:35 pm
From: George

clams_casino wrote:
> A bit dated (May), but
>
> "It takes 1.33 gallons of E85 (85 percent ethanol) and 1.03 gallons of
> E10 (10 percent ethanol) to travel the same distance as with one gallon
> of pure gasoline, the Department of Energy says."
>
> "A Postal Service study found the new vehicles got as much as 29 percent
> fewer miles to the gallon."
>
> and part that really hurts - "The U.S. pays oil refiners like Exxon
> Mobil 51 cents in tax refunds for each gallon of ethanol they blend into
> regular gasoline.
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aj.h0coJSkpw&refer=us

No disagreement from me. Mindlessly pushing the idea of using ethanol
(no planning where the corn will come from, huge subsidies needed etc)
to keep the SUVs going instead of optimizing fleet fuel economy will go
down as one of the dumber moves in history.

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