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TOPIC: Latest Trading Software (November 2008)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 11:21 am
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TOPIC: luxury Products - www.cicigogo.cn
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 3:49 pm
From: Patricia Martin Steward

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:16:46 -0800 (PST), cn <cicitrade02@yahoo.cn>
wrote:
[bunch of crap deleted]

This on a newsgroup entitled "frugal living!"

"This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment. This is our time
- to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids;
to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American
Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth - that out of many, we are one;
that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and
doubt, and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that
timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes We Can."
President-elect Barack Obama, November, 4, 2008
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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TOPIC: Obama gets it! Oil is FINITE, regardless of current price.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 12:17 pm
From: Dennis

On 17 Nov 2008 21:04:53 GMT, mustangsally <mustangsally@nym.hush.com>
wrote:

>in <c0f4cb45-bea7-42bb-8eb3-aca46d76e5e0@d10g2000pra.googlegroups.com> (Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:40:05 -0800 (PST)), Enough Already wrote:
>| It was inspiring to hear President-elect Obama say this during a 60
>| Minutes interview:
>
>feh.
>
>we have known about peak oil since the 1970s, and our government basically
>ignored it and decided to pass the buck forward for future generations to
>deal with.
>
>We The People are to blame because we took our eye off the ball and have
>failed to keep our government in check.

Close. We The People are to blame because we delegated planning and
responsibility to telegenic but inept politicians while we went off to
play ball.

Dennis (evil)
--
An inherent weakness of a pure democracy is that half
the voters are below average intelligence.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 5:58 pm
From: hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com

On Nov 17, 11:40 am, Enough Already <enough_alre...@lycos.com> wrote:
> It was inspiring to hear President-elect Obama say this during a 60
> Minutes interview:
>
> [quote]
>
> (CBS) Kroft: When the price of oil was at $147 a barrel, there were a
> lot of spirited and profitable discussions that were held on energy
> independence. Now you've got the price of oil under $60.
>
> Mr. Obama: Right.

Uh, wrong. O'bama didn't get the price under $60 per barrel.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 9:48 pm
From: Jeff

hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 17, 11:40 am, Enough Already <enough_alre...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> It was inspiring to hear President-elect Obama say this during a 60
>> Minutes interview:
>>
>> [quote]
>>
>> (CBS) Kroft: When the price of oil was at $147 a barrel, there were a
>> lot of spirited and profitable discussions that were held on energy
>> independence. Now you've got the price of oil under $60.
>>
>> Mr. Obama: Right.
>
> Uh, wrong. O'bama didn't get the price under $60 per barrel.

Such answers make the right seem more brain dead than you actually are.

If you read what you snipped then you'll see that no such implication
was made:

Kroft: Does doing something about energy is it less important now
than…

Mr. Obama: It's more important. It may be a little harder politically,
but it's more important.

Kroft: Why?

Mr. Obama: Well, because this has been our pattern. We go from shock
to trance. You know, oil prices go up, gas prices at the pump go up,
everybody goes into a flurry of activity. And then the prices go back
down and suddenly we act like it's not important, and we start, you
know filling up our SUVs again.

And, as a consequence, we never make any progress. It's part of the
addiction, all right. That has to be broken. Now is the time to break
it.

[end quote]

Jeff

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 10:38 pm
From: Michael Coburn

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:48:52 -0500, Jeff wrote:

> hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 11:40 am, Enough Already <enough_alre...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>> It was inspiring to hear President-elect Obama say this during a 60
>>> Minutes interview:
>>>
>>> [quote]
>>>
>>> (CBS) Kroft: When the price of oil was at $147 a barrel, there were a
>>> lot of spirited and profitable discussions that were held on energy
>>> independence. Now you've got the price of oil under $60.
>>>
>>> Mr. Obama: Right.
>>
>> Uh, wrong. O'bama didn't get the price under $60 per barrel.
>
>
> Such answers make the right seem more brain dead than you actually
> are.
>
> If you read what you snipped then you'll see that no such implication
> was made:
>
> Kroft: Does doing something about energy is it less important now than…
>
> Mr. Obama: It's more important. It may be a little harder politically,
> but it's more important.
>
> Kroft: Why?
>
> Mr. Obama: Well, because this has been our pattern. We go from shock to
> trance. You know, oil prices go up, gas prices at the pump go up,
> everybody goes into a flurry of activity. And then the prices go back
> down and suddenly we act like it's not important, and we start, you know
> filling up our SUVs again.
>
> And, as a consequence, we never make any progress. It's part of the
> addiction, all right. That has to be broken. Now is the time to break
> it.

Yes. We get a second shot at this and lets not blow it. We need a
carbon tax with all of the funds simply refunded in the form of a
stimulus like the recent stimulus. Or even refunded as a VOTER'S
dividend (each voter gets an equal amount). That is an excise tax and
perfectly constitutional and economically stimulating.

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TOPIC: Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00 a
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 1:32 pm
From: Daniel

On Nov 18, 1:29 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
> You people need to do some homework. The so-called $73 ph, is not cash.
> it includes benefits and retirement costs.

Which is STILL too much money for an unskilled laborer that does
nothing more than hold a tool.

>
> Its a very good income, but its not way above the range of many others in
> other businesses.

Way above other comparative unskilled labor positions.

>
> The problems of the big three is the fault of managment that decided to
> make car people didn't want to buy.

That and the fact that they caved in to unreasonable wage and benefit
demands for unskilled labor.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 2:22 pm
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

In <96c903fc-9181-4782-a256-6a80cc40e1b1@a17g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, on
11/18/2008
at 01:32 PM, Daniel <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> said:

>On Nov 18, 1:29 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>> You people need to do some homework. The so-called $73 ph, is not cash.
>> it includes benefits and retirement costs.

>Which is STILL too much money for an unskilled laborer that does nothing
>more than hold a tool.

Do your homework. Its not unskilled labor anymore.

BTW, an auto production line is worth something over $100K per hour. No
one puts dumbass, unskilled labor on these lines -- as you are trying to
imply.

The rest of your post is more stupid nonsense.

>>
>> Its a very good income, but its not way above the range of many others in
>> other businesses.

>Way above other comparative unskilled labor positions.

>>
>> The problems of the big three is the fault of managment that decided to
>> make car people didn't want to buy.

>That and the fact that they caved in to unreasonable wage and benefit
>demands for unskilled labor.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 4:32 pm
From: Amos Nandy

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:22:29 GMT, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:

>In <96c903fc-9181-4782-a256-6a80cc40e1b1@a17g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, on
>11/18/2008
> at 01:32 PM, Daniel <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> said:
>
>
>
>>On Nov 18, 1:29 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>>> You people need to do some homework. The so-called $73 ph, is not cash.
>>> it includes benefits and retirement costs.
>
>
>>Which is STILL too much money for an unskilled laborer that does nothing
>>more than hold a tool.
>
>
>
>Do your homework. Its not unskilled labor anymore.
>
>BTW, an auto production line is worth something over $100K per hour. No
>one puts dumbass, unskilled labor on these lines -- as you are trying to
>imply.

Yes, and the Labor Unions who supported LaBomba have made ridiculous
demands that equal $1500 added to the price of a car JUST TO COVER
HEALTH BENEFITS (alcohol and drug rehab, abortion, etc,) No wonder
that the country is going broke...leftist liberals and labor unions
are in bed together but we the people are the ones getting fucked.

>The rest of your post is more stupid nonsense.

All of your post are stupid nonsense.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 6:53 pm
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

Wrong right winger. We have high health costs -->because the republicans
have spent years defeating every attempt at fixing the system.

Now go drivel your right wing bullshit somewhere else.

In <t8n6i4lb1pg6nlbjbkhgkntiuecsgrpsri@4ax.com>, on 11/19/2008
at 12:32 AM, Amos Nandy <amos_nandy@cebu.net> said:

>On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:22:29 GMT, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:

>>In <96c903fc-9181-4782-a256-6a80cc40e1b1@a17g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, on
>>11/18/2008
>> at 01:32 PM, Daniel <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Nov 18, 1:29 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>> You people need to do some homework. The so-called $73 ph, is not cash.
>>>> it includes benefits and retirement costs.
>>
>>
>>>Which is STILL too much money for an unskilled laborer that does nothing
>>>more than hold a tool.
>>
>>
>>
>>Do your homework. Its not unskilled labor anymore.
>>
>>BTW, an auto production line is worth something over $100K per hour. No
>>one puts dumbass, unskilled labor on these lines -- as you are trying to
>>imply.

>Yes, and the Labor Unions who supported LaBomba have made ridiculous
>demands that equal $1500 added to the price of a car JUST TO COVER HEALTH
>BENEFITS (alcohol and drug rehab, abortion, etc,) No wonder that the
>country is going broke...leftist liberals and labor unions are in bed
>together but we the people are the ones getting fucked.

>>The rest of your post is more stupid nonsense.

>All of your post are stupid nonsense.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 10:19 pm
From: LeRoy Blue

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:53:32 GMT, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:

>
>
>Wrong right winger. We have high health costs -->because the republicans
>have spent years defeating every attempt at fixing the system.

Wrong, wrong winger, The Labor Unions who supported LaBomba have made
ridiculous demands that equal $1500 added to the price of a car JUST
TO COVER HEALTH BENEFITS (alcohol and drug rehab, abortion, etc,) No
wonder that the country is going broke...leftist liberals and labor
unions are in bed together but we the people are the ones getting
fucked.

>Now go drivel your right wing bullshit somewhere else.

I'd rather post facts where you dribble wrong wing bull shit. So HERE
I AM!

>
>
>
>
>
>In <t8n6i4lb1pg6nlbjbkhgkntiuecsgrpsri@4ax.com>, on 11/19/2008
> at 12:32 AM, Amos Nandy <amos_nandy@cebu.net> said:
>
>
>
>>On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:22:29 GMT, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>
>>>In <96c903fc-9181-4782-a256-6a80cc40e1b1@a17g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, on
>>>11/18/2008
>>> at 01:32 PM, Daniel <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Nov 18, 1:29 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>>> You people need to do some homework. The so-called $73 ph, is not cash.
>>>>> it includes benefits and retirement costs.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Which is STILL too much money for an unskilled laborer that does nothing
>>>>more than hold a tool.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Do your homework. Its not unskilled labor anymore.
>>>
>>>BTW, an auto production line is worth something over $100K per hour. No
>>>one puts dumbass, unskilled labor on these lines -- as you are trying to
>>>imply.
>
>>Yes, and the Labor Unions who supported LaBomba have made ridiculous
>>demands that equal $1500 added to the price of a car JUST TO COVER HEALTH
>>BENEFITS (alcohol and drug rehab, abortion, etc,) No wonder that the
>>country is going broke...leftist liberals and labor unions are in bed
>>together but we the people are the ones getting fucked.
>
>
>>>The rest of your post is more stupid nonsense.
>
>>All of your post are stupid nonsense.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 1:43 pm
From: "viet nam vet."

In article <gfui52$d3r$1@news.motzarella.org>,
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I wasn't all that impressed with one of my former oral surgeon. He pulled a
> tooth, dropped the tooth on the insturment tray, and immediately was out the
> door of the treatment room. Less than one second after the tooth root
> cleared my mouth, he was gone. Didn't see him for gosh knows how long after
> that. And I did have a couple questions.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
> <muzician21@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c6fa7272-eb9d-48b9-bac4-2b63cb296f63@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 24, 10:06 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet.com> wrote:
> > > When I'm paying what works out to about $500 - $750/hr up-front,
> > > before the work is even completed - and with no expressed warranty on
> > > how long the work is supposed to be good for - I don't have much
> > > sympathy about them feeling I'm "wasting their time" with a couple of
> > > questions.
> >
> > Talented dentists are often in high demand. They also have limits on
> > how much they can deliver in any given day or week. That may be hard
> > for a particular patient to understand, but I have to deliver the
> > high quality care to every patient that comes in the office every day.
> >
> > We are human.
>
>
> I'm human too, and that means I don't care for the bum's rush from
> someone I'm paying a lot of money.
>
>
> > One patient cannot intrude on my ability to fulfill my commitment to
> > the others.
>
>
> I'm also one of the "others". Allowing time for inquiries on the part
> of the patient are part of "fulfilling one's committment" for "high
> quality care".
>
> How many patients he crams his schedule with is discretionary. It
> sounds like what you really mean is you don't want a patient to impede
> your ability to get the cattle through the gate a$ quickly a$ po$
> $ible. Screw their silly-ass questions.
>
>
> > BTW, you can always go back to the HMO dudes/dudettes.
>
>
> WTF kind of attitude is that? I'm paying what he's asking, it's not a
> charity situation. I can see what mentality you're possessed of. You
> don't give a fuck either.
>
> Gee, hope you don't get sued or anything.

I read a book by a dentist a Dr. Macquire and he said most dentists are
so polluted by mercury that they are walking "Mad Hatters"/
They now must warn those preggers and mother's about Mercury.
They fought that for a long time.
so much for compassion.
Let's face it; they are into it for the bucks and a chance to inflict
pain.
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 1:45 pm
From: "viet nam vet."

In article <gfui52$d3r$1@news.motzarella.org>,
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

Oh, I forgot. there is a NG you might be interested in.

sci.med.dentistry

for a second opinion.
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 1:54 pm
From: "S'mee"

On Nov 15, 6:43 pm, Brian K <brian1951B...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 11/14/2008 11:08 PM S'mee did a "happy dance", then made these
> writings:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 4:32 am, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> In article
> >> <066eafed-5fe8-463e-a29b-a03e94afb...@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Anyway I figure we have the PERFECT government for the idiots that put
> >>> it in place. I'm going to LOVE the next for years. Why you ask because
> >>> I LOVE to hear idiots whine...
>
> >> Just like I have for the last 8 years.
>
> > Yes but mine was "FUCK HOW COULD YOU MORONS...never mind you're all
> > soccer moms in mini-vans the lowest form of life on the planet."
>
> > --
> > Keith
>
> I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss soccer moms. They wear more hats than
> the average male: cook, chauffeur, nurse, vacation planner, party
> planner, party caterer, child rearer to name a few. Also consider one
> special soccer mom, of whom a hit tv show was patterned after. Her name
> is Alison Du Bois, she's a bona fide psychic who's been called in as a
> consultant by district attorneys and police detectives. Then there's
> another mom. Her name is Erin Brockovich. She doggedly worked toward
> helping people who were poisoned by a pharmaceutical company. She
> started out as a file clerk, became a legal assistant and is now a
> lawyer with her own firm. Then there's Sarah Palen, love her or hate
> her, you can't dismiss this soccer mom's achievements. She's the
> governor of Alaska and until recently the Republican party's choice for
> Vice-President candidacy.

I do all of that AND am a combat vetrans. So what? 99% of those
socccor moms are compleat blithering idiots. I judge them by there
actions...on the road, in the store. You know the real world. Not a
bit of sense in the lot of them.
--
keith

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 6:26 pm
From: Kauko Salo

Seuraavassa taulukossa esittelen sääsadantatietojen yhteenvetoja
vuodesta1996 lähtien. Suomen normaali vuosisadanta paikkaansa on 750mm. Joka
tarkoittaa sitä, että jokaisena päivänä pitäisi sataa tosiasiassa 2mm.
Vuosittainen haihdunta, kasvit ja vastaavat aiheuttavat suurten vesistöjen
kertymävetenä 1mm/vrk. Eli tämä minun mittanormaalini perustuu suuresti
hallittumpaan vesifaktaan, kuin esim. Ilmatieteen laitoksella. Sielä kuten
täällä olevista yhteenvedoista olemme huomanneet julkaistaan vain
ylimalkaiset kesäsadannat, koska lumen mittaus tuiskuavana ja sulamattomana
ei kerro sadantaa talvia oikein.

Mutta tämä minun käyttämäni jokireaali tuottaa TÄYSIN Ilmatieteenlaitoksen
arvailuista poikkeavan nyanssintarkan lineaarimuuttujan koko läpi vuoden
kestävänä tulostuksena. Huomioiden niinikää paljon paremmin hämäävät
patoamiset pohjavesiin jne. Kyseinen vesi kun on vapaa säänöstelystä. Ja
pinta-ala niin suuri satojen neliökilometrien alueillaan, ettei
paikallisukkoset lainkaan sekota, kuten Ilmatieteenlaitoksen
pikkusuppilosatunnaisotannat. Ilmatieteenlaitokseen tekee suuria poikkeamia
jo päiväinen satunnaisukkoskuuro, ei siis meillä. Voimalan koneitten
vesikulutus kalkuloituu supertarkkaan, ja sen mittaa minutilleen
sähkönostajafirma reaaliaikaisesti kWh:na. Kun taas säännöstelyvesissä
virtaama-arvailuja/päivä mitataan varsin summittaisin pintakorkeusverrokein.
Eli allaoleva on suomeksi valovuosia edistyksellisemmällä tekniikalla
koottua, kuin missään muualla näemme.

VUOSI/ %-VUOSI/ SATAMATTA
__________________________

1996 63 241mm
1997 67 215
1998 87 85
1999 84 104

2000 107 + 46
2001 76 156
2002 52 312
2003 27 427
2004 57 280
2005 74 170

2006 81 124
2007 59 268
___________________
SATAMATTA 2,336metriä!

KESKIARVO 12v. **-30,5%**
______________________

Ja kas vaan. Tosiaan vuodesta toiseen Suomea on ahdistellut niin kova
kolmanneksen satamattomuus, ettei edes EU:n lopulta auttanut mikään.
Tauottoman yli 10v sadevedätystensä ja tauottomien "ns.
tulvauutisharhautustensa" avulla kammettiin virhetietona, että CO2 lisä
toisi +40% sadantakasvun. Viimein kaltaisteni pioneerien reaali oli pakko
päästää läpi ja tunustaa kerrallaan -80% sadantamuutos koko Euroopan
tietoisuuteen. Korostettakoon, että Pohjoismaissa ydinvoimaloitten tiheys on
oleellisesti pienempää, kuin esim. Euroopassa. Kuten Ruotsin jo vuosien ajan
alasajettujen ydinvoimaloitten jäljiltä esim. viime kesänä 4 voimalaa 4kk
poissa osoitti säteilypäästö/km2 määrää ydinaavikoitumisefektikertymän.
Siksi Euroopassa sadantakato on jo -40% ja kumuloituu lisää rajusti.
Australiassa ydinaavikoituminen johtuu uraanikaivospäästöistä. USA:ssa taas
molemmista ja siksi sieltä alkoi mm. mehiläiskato ekana, kuten Einstein jo
ennusteli aikoinaan. Jatkon määrää katoaako ydinvoima yksinään. Tai katoaako
ydinvoima yhmiskunnan KANSSA!(( ((

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 7:34 pm
From: corgorant@gmail.com

On Nov 16, 7:17 pm, Energy Saver <saving.energy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Driving and Car Maintenance Transportation accounts for 66% of U.S.
> oil use -mainly in the form of gasoline. Luckily, there are plenty of
> ways to improve gas mileage.
>
> Driving Tips:- Idling gets you 0 miles per gallon. The best way to
> warm up a vehicle is to drive it. No more than 30 seconds of idling
> on
> winter days is needed. Anything more simply wastes fuel and increases
> emissions.- Aggressive driving (speeding, rapid acceleration, and
> hard
> braking) wastes gas. It can lower your highway gas mileage 33% and
> city mileage 5%. Drive at lowest and constant rpms; 2000 rpm are
> enough; you can save up to 30%. Even a Porsche can be driven at the
> 4th gear at 20 mph and at the 6th gear at 50 mph with 2.5 times less
> fuel consumption.- Avoid high speeds. Driving 75 mph, rather than 65
> mph, could cut your fuel economy by 15%.- When you use overdrive
> gearing, your cars engine speed goes down. This saves gas and reduces
> wear.- Use air conditioning only when necessary.- Clear out your car;
> extra weight decreases gas mileage. Each 60 pounds increases fuel
> consumption by 10%. - Reduce drag by placing items inside
> the car or trunk rather than on roof racks. A roof rack or carrier
> provides additional cargo space and may allow you to buy a smaller
> car. However, a loaded roof rack can decrease your fuel economy by
> 5%.- Check into carpooling and public transit to cut mileage and car
> maintenance costs.
>
> Car Maintenance Tips:- Use the grade of motor oil recommended by your
> cars manufacturer. Using a different motor oil can lower your
> gasoline
> mileage by 1% to 2%.- Keep tires properly inflated and aligned to
> improve your gasoline mileage by around 3.3%.- Get regular engine
> tune-
> ups and car maintenance checks to avoid fuel economy problems due to
> worn spark plugs, dragging brakes, low transmission fluid, or
> transmission problems.- Replace clogged air filters to improve gas
> mileage by as much as 10% and protect your engine.- Combine errands
> into one trip. Several short trips, each one taken from a cold start,
> can use twice as much fuel as one trip covering the same distance
> when
> the engine is warm. Do not forget that in the first mile your car
> uses
> 8 times more fuel, in the second mile 4 times and only after the
> fourth mile it becomes normal.Long-Term Savings Tip- Consider buying
> a
> highly fuel-efficient vehicle. A fuelefficient vehicle, a hybrid
> vehicle, or an alternative fuel vehicle could save you a lot at the
> gas pump
> and help the environment.See the Fuel Economy Guide
> (www.fueleconomy.gov) for more on buying a new fuel-efficient car or
> truck.
>
> Source:www.eere.energy.gov andhttp://www.vcd.org/155.html

the air conditioning myth has already been tested and debunked. you
save a negligible amount of fuel, and the change in your car's
aerodynamics caused by your open windows increases drag, which
increases fuel consumption.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 18 2008 8:19 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <383a2b57-a9b6-469d-b5f5-6dee6da3e602@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
corgorant@gmail.com wrote:
>On Nov 16, 7:17 pm, Energy Saver <saving.energy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>><In short, a bunch of fuel-saving tips>
>
>the air conditioning myth has already been tested and debunked. you
>save a negligible amount of fuel, and the change in your car's
>aerodynamics caused by your open windows increases drag, which
>increases fuel consumption.

I have noticed a significant difference in fuel consumption between A/C
on and A/C off. It appears to me that A/C on increases fuel consumption
about 10% in "average or conservative driving". The percentage is
probably less for those who drive faster, due to greater fuel consumption
for overcoming air resistance or heating the brakes.

One does not need to open windows (which actually does significantly
degrade fuel economy at expressway speeds) to get a breeze in most cars:
Merely use the ventillation function of the climate control system!

If a 98 degree F breeze through open windows feels cool, then a 98
degree F breeze blown in by the fan should be not much worse!

>Evil overlord of <SNIP>

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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