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* Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets - 5 messages, 4
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* Frugal Kitchen Tip - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Govt. wimps rush to bailout banks, autos. How about getting rid of up to 20
million illegal alien leeches? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Smiling for free - 1 messages, 1 author
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* supreme court to determine obama presidential eligibilty - 2 messages, 1
author
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* order glasses by mail - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/cb1cc803cf7130ab?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:00 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"
Reduced taxes leaves the consumer with more of his (her) own money.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
news:gh6rbf$oqh$1@reader1.panix.com...
In misc.survivalism phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:
> not a valid comparison.. many things different... totally bogus
> currency now for instance, and vast bloat in
> govt now relative to then.
Given those factors, how will a massive cutback in goverment spending spur
GDP?
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:29 pm
From: Leaf <@t.il>
'name vet. wrote:
> In article <ihtcj4tf7d9sttl0ffgrg3n2jvl7vbgjh7@4ax.com>,
> wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Some advice from someone who lived and profitted during one. Stay in
>> cash, safe investments. Safe deposit box or treasuries. Safe CD's at a
>> safe bank. Protect your capital so it doesn't drop in value.
>> Depressions result in long deflationary period. Just check Japan out,
>> over decade of declining asset values. Cash was the only thing that
>> held value and relatively increased compared to real estate, stocks,
>> bonds, etc.
>>
>> During the 1930's, my mother saw the average guy trying to pick
>> bottoms, in 1930, 1931, 1932 ......1939, all lost. Market didn't show
>> a gain until 1954. The only people who made out were people in cash.
>> Real estate, stocks, bonds dropped 90% or more in value. Ten years
>> from now if you have exactly what you have today, you will be the new
>> rich. The masses will be penniless, homeless and hungry. It is the
>> 1930's all over again. Obama will be playing the modern day Herbert
>> Hoover, raise taxes on the rich and business and socialism.
>>
>> ted
>
> what would you suggest to Obama?
> He seems to be open to suggestions. Positive ones.
> OK?
Aggressive defense of Americans' economic interests not Globalism.
Get the Lobbyists and their Employers out of government.
Public financing of political campaigns.
Enforcement of the immigration Reform and control Act of 1986. Jailing
Employers of Illegal Aliens.
Stop all Immigration, at least for the duration of the Recession.
Get rid of the illegal Fed Reserve.
Get the State Department out of the business of representing foreign
interest and the export of America's economy.
Get rid of "Free Trade" treaties. See line one.
Expedite the building of nuclear power plants and solve storage or
elimination of nuclear waste.
Enforce and expand anti Monopoly Laws.
Bring back Glass-Steagall Act. Put Banks back into banking and out of
gambling and manipulation of the economy.
Eliminate the illegal Mandatory Binding Arbitration provisions of contracts
Return equity, in contracts. Eliminate unilateral contracts by Big
Business especially Credit Cards.
Return control, of States rights to govern and protect its
Citizens/Consumers. Get rid of the Department of Education. Let the
States run their own business.
Stop snooping on Americans.
Eliminate the illegal obtaining and storage of Citizens lives by Credit
Bureaus and other Businesses.
Government of the People, by the People, for the People not Corporations
and Wall Street.
Eliminate the "individual" right of a corporation. A Corporation is just
a Company, chartered to be theoretically a person. It is not a person
and we the People never intended the Constitution to be reinterpreted
for such a thing.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Stormin Mormon <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Safe CD's at a safe bank.
>> Doesnt need to be a safe bank anymore with the FDIC guarantee.
> The US Government is solidly in debt.
You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas ?
> I hope you don't think they have the funds to bail out depositors.
They'll just go into debt more if they need to, just like they have with the bailouts.
> And supposing they do try to bail out depositors.
> That just takes more of YOUR money by taxes.
Irrelevant to whether you need to use a safe bank.
> I don't trust FDIC any more than I trust the government to have a "surplus".
You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
What you might or might not trust in spades.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:57 pm
From: Jeff
EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In misc.survivalism Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>> EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
>>> In misc.survivalism Clam Bake <mmmspam@spam.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So what's your solution? Raise taxes?
>>> That depends on many factors. Most folks think that deficit spending
>>> during recessions and paying down debts during expanisons is a good idea.
>
>
>> Which is why we are so screwed now. During what relatively good times
>> we had W only thought of driving up debt.
>
> He took his lessons from Reagan. These neocons who want to expand
> government have left us in a huge jam. Reagan ran unprecedented deficits
> during an economic expansion, and we still are feelig the effects.
>
> And Bush was just as bad, or worse. We have the biggest, baddest FedGov
> we have ever had, and the worst part of it is that they do so little to
> help the average person.
>
>
>> Classically you would lower taxes on the lowest income brackets as
>> that money is likely to go immediately into the economy. Money to the
>> rich has little effect and is largely to blame for the current bubbles
>> as they are the result of the wealthy trying to make even more money
>> with the cheap or free money they had. Much of the wealthy's money
>> flowed into those investment banks that have now collapsed and spread so
>> much sorrow through the rest of the economy.
>
> That is an interesting idea about the relative merits of tax breaks for
> different socioeconomic groups. I've not though about that before.
The first bit is self evident among the poorest as they will
generally spend everything they can. I'd never really thought about
until Bill Clinton talked about this after the second round of tax cuts.
His point being that if you want a tax cut to stimulate the economy it
should be one that works to that purpose. He also said that these should
be temporary and you should in effect, put away for a rainy day.
The last bit is directly related to the low cost of money that
leveraged bets on the economy. Money for the rich was cheap with the
FED having driven down the cost. Not much of that money went into
producing anything, instead it went into such things as the Derivatives
Market and credit default swaps. In essence betting with cheaply
borrowed money that something would happen. The derivative market is
supposed to act like insurance on a position but instead it took on a
life of it's own. The estimated size of the Derivatives Market is 10
times the value of the Stock Market. Credit Default Swaps are what took
down AIG.
Now, lets look at the all the extra money that flowed to the wealthy
after W's tax cuts. I'll bet damn little of that went towards anything
concrete, instead it went into bets in Derivatives and Mortgage markets
such as CDOs.
I'm no expert on this, but since so much of this is under cover, and
rich people tend to take as many as possible down with them, look for
another emerging catastrophe.
Jeff
>
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 10:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Dan <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Dan <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> So stupid that it cant even manage to work out that it was FDR that did the socialism.
>>> What industries did FDR nationalize?
>> Socialism is about a hell of a lot more than JUST nationalizing industrys.
> No, it is not.
Fraid so.
>> Just what do you claim social security is ?
> Social security is a social insurance plan,
No it isnt. And neither is medicare and medicaid either.
> so that the society is not stuck all on its own either taking care of indigent old people or burying them in droves.
Wrong again. Its actually something that most are entitled to if they work long enough.
> It may be a lot of things, good and/or bad, but it is NOT Socialism...
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
And just what do you claim the TVA was anyway ?
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TOPIC: Frugal Kitchen Tip
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:11 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Dec 4, 9:34 am, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 1:29 pm, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> Go to the dollar store and buy however many iced tea spoons one can get
> >> for a dollar these days. The long handles and small tips are perfect
> >> for getting the last bits out of jars and cans, particularly tall ones.
>
> >> For that matter, when you are using a can of, say, tomato sauce, and you
> >> are also adding water to what you're cooking, put the water in the can
> >> and swish it around to get all the sauce out.
>
> >> You may not save lots of money, but you will get better value for your
> >> money.
>
> > I just use a butter knife; does the same thing. One other trick I use
> > with some sauces is to take some of the cooked noodles while they're
> > hot and drop them into the can, swish them around to catch some of the
> > left over bits.
>
> Maybe I use taller jars--certainly getting olives and capers out of tall
> jars is easier with the added length of the iced tea spoon. but for
> stuff like mayonnaise, a butter knife or spatula should work as well.
>
> (I see that Miracle Whip now has a wider mouth jar to let you get the
> end bit out--their squeeze jar wasted *way* too much!)
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.
They probably do that by design figuring "most" people won't try to
get the last bits out and will buy a new jar. Now along the lines of
what you use the spoon for, you might want to keep your eyes open for
those handy "lifter" containers Tupperware has. I have a couple from
years ago, even though I rarely buy/use pickles, I did when the kids
were younger.
Good picture of the "Pick-a-Deli" here:
http://davidlevine.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/pickledeggs.jpg
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TOPIC: Govt. wimps rush to bailout banks, autos. How about getting rid of up
to 20 million illegal alien leeches?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/789b5435a63eb0a9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:40 pm
From: Blackwater
"Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
>
>"Blackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
>news:49384e6b.2754360@news.west.earthlink.net...
>>
>> How about organizing RECALL elections for every pol who
>> voted for a bail-out ???
>
>Interesting idea. Note that both McCain and Obama supported the original
>700BN bailout that (failed), but later morphed to 820BN and (passed), but is
>wrongly referred to as the 700 Billion dollar bailout...
>
>Anyway, in a recall, we'd have to fire both McCain and Obama, just for
>starters... -Dave
A good start though ... :-)
>> You're worried about "Mexicans" ??? THEY ain't the root
>> of the problem !
>>
>
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TOPIC: Smiling for free
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:24 pm
From: "'nam vet."
Study suggests good cheer may spread itself
By MARIA CHENG 51 minutes ago
LONDON (AP) ‹ When you're smiling, the whole world really does smile
with you. A paper being published Friday in a British medical journal
concludes that happiness is contagious ‹ and that people pass on their
good cheer even to total strangers. American researchers who tracked
more than 4,700 people in Framingham, Mass., as part of a 20-year heart
study also found the transferred happiness is good for up to a year.
"Happiness is like a stampede," said Nicholas Christakis, a professor in
Harvard University's sociology department and co-author of the study.
"Whether you're happy depends not just on your own actions and behaviors
and thoughts, but on those of people you don't even know."
While the study is another sign of the power of social networks, it ran
through 2003, just before the rise of social networking Web sites like
Friendster, MySpace and Facebook. Christiakis couldn't say for sure
whether the effect works online.
for the rest of the story;
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jz1i2i_f1vckbbM1AFqpRsd
B6vDgD94SAV780
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.
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TOPIC: supreme court to determine obama presidential eligibilty
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:48 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <gh75v5$cv0$1@news.motzarella.org>,
"Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
> "John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote in message
> news:john-D208EF.17010503122008@news-3.octanews.net...
> > In article <y4DZk.2657$us6.1370@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
> > "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > it's all over the blogs.
> >
> > Yeah, that is like saying that everyone at the truck stop was talking
> > about it. Space aliens, 100 mile per gallon carburetors, and Obama's
> > birth certificate, please pass the ketchup.
> >
> > -john-
> >
>
> John - I'll only state this once, as many people who SHOULD know better have
> a tendency to flame me when I point this out...
>
> Obama was a citizen of Indonesia at one time in his life. Only Indonesia.
> No dual-citizenship allowed there, at the time.
>
> Now review the "natural born citizen" clause, which is one of the
> requirements to be President.
>
> If you are a citizen of Indonesia and only Indonesia today, you can not
> tomorrow, or at any time in the future, be a natural born citizen of the
> U.S. or any other country, other than Indonesia.
>
> I don't think the case that the Supremes are considering will amount to
> much. The odds of the Supremes ruling against their supreme commander (!)
> are slim and none.
>
> But only a fool would dismiss the court case outright, as it can be argued
> that the case has REAL merit. Either you are a natural born citizen, or you
> aren't. There is no dispute that Obama is a citizen, but being a citizen
> does not qualify one to be President of the U.S. -Dave
What case are you referring to? The only case I see on the Surpreme
Court's docket involving Obama was dismissed by Justice Souter on 11/3.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:50 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <olHZk.2660$QX3.1886@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:daniel_t-857148.20182503122008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > "Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
> >
> >> "max" <betatron@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:betatron-D48844.16144403122008@news.ftupet.com...
> >> > In article <y4DZk.2657$us6.1370@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
> >> > "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > it's all over the blogs.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> http://dailykenoshan.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=63&topic=53329.msg
> >> 5
> >> 74
> >> > > 74;topicseen
> >> > >
> >> > > http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > overnight fedex supreme court w/ your concerns; only way to reach
> >> > > them:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82449
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=supreme+court+obama+eligibility&aq=1&o
> >> q
> >> =s
> >> > > upreme+court+obama+eli
> >> >
> >> > dipshit.
> >> >
> >>
> >> What? This is a real court case that the supremes are going to have to
> >> rule
> >> on. I for one am interested in what the supremes have to say on the
> >> atter. -Dave
> >
> > They already dismissed it.
>
> i think that was a federal judge. i don't think they're looking at this
> until friday
It was Justice Souter. Here's the link ...
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a391.htm
end of story.
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TOPIC: order glasses by mail
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 11:17 pm
From: "tommyone"
It was mentioned in this newsgroup a while back on how to order eyeglasses
over the internet.could some body repeat the url's. I have the prescription.
much appreciated.
--
try this
[url=http://www.fallensword.com/?ref=1357146][img]http://66.7.192.165/banners/full_banner2.
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