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* Purchase All Available US Autos - 15 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8da7acb0e572db51?hl=en
* Spamming Action Figures, Toys & Boys Clothing - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0a4101c6902f28b1?hl=en
* How to: Live on $12,000 a Year - 2 messages, 1 author
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* Wealth Management is the key - 1 messages, 1 author
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* overdraft - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Warning re Biodegradable Plastic Bags - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* "Told Ya this was coming - Laid-off worker kills CEO" (Q: Are scumbag
employers of illegal aliens NEXT?) - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Purchase All Available US Autos
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8da7acb0e572db51?hl=en
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:08 pm
From: "sambo"
Brent wrote:
> On 2008-12-17, sambo <sambo@yhtr.com> wrote:
>> Brent wrote:
>>> On 2008-12-17, 12356 <12356@hsed.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://mises.org/rothbard/agd/chapter7.asp#7
>>>>
>>>> Just because that clown claims it doesnt make it gospel.
>>>
>>> nymshifting is poor form
>>
>> Plonking is juvenile.
>
> Speech is free but nobody is compelled to listen. What's juvenile is
> someone who thinks that everyone has to listen to him.
>
>> Identical to little kids putting their fingers in their ears,
>> closing their eyes and chanting 'nyah nyah, cant hear ya'
>
> which is exactly what 'rod speed' does when he replies over and over
> and over again with his summary dismissmal of what others present.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:10 pm
From: "sambo"
Brent wrote:
> On 2008-12-16, Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> So you believe these jomocas asking for the handout? Pretty funny.
>>
>> I believe the jomocas when they say that Chapter 11 equals Chapter 7
>> which equals liquidation, which means that GM and Chrysler will
>> cease to exist. Of course, both GM and Chrysler will cease to exist
>> without Chapter 11. So there ya go. The auto execs. claim that GM
>> and Chrysler will cease to exist soon.
> GM and chrysler will not cease to exist. They will cease to
> exist as we know them if liquidated, but those name plates and the
> model names alone have value and someone will build vehicles under
> those names.
That doesnt mean that GM or chrysler exists, just that those NAMES do, stupid.
> Atari was liquidated, yet one can still buy new new atari products
> today. Ultimately the atari name was worth too much to let go and
> someone rebuilt a company from the ashes.
== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:18 pm
From: "sambo"
Brent wrote:
> On 2008-12-15, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> lorad wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 13, 7:20 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Asian auto-maker propaganda [snipped]
>>>
>>> Rather than sending your dollars to Tokyo or Seoul, try to help your
>>> neighbors and yourself by buying a US made automobile. As is well
>>> known.. keeping one dollar in your local economy, generates even
>>> more dollars as that money recirculates creating compounded wealth.
>>>
>>> The PRIMARY reason that the US economy is failing is due to the
>>> reduction of US manufacturing capability which results in fewer
>>> exports and more imports over the last 15 years.
>>> The US's wealth has been drained away.
>>
>> It's called 'globalisation' and you lot started it. It gives you $50
>> DVD players you'd never have otherwise etc etc. You can't stop it
>> now.
> The root cause is the world reserve currency fiat dollar and the US
> federal government using its military if you want to get technical about it.
Nope, we saw globalisation when the US federal govt was isolationist too.
> Prices of things like DVD players go down inspite of the federal reserve and not because of it.
He never said it had anything to do with the federal reserve.
== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:00 pm
From: Brent
On 2008-12-17, sambo <sambo@yhtr.com> wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>> On 2008-12-15, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> lorad wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 7:20 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Asian auto-maker propaganda [snipped]
>>>>
>>>> Rather than sending your dollars to Tokyo or Seoul, try to help your
>>>> neighbors and yourself by buying a US made automobile. As is well
>>>> known.. keeping one dollar in your local economy, generates even
>>>> more dollars as that money recirculates creating compounded wealth.
>>>>
>>>> The PRIMARY reason that the US economy is failing is due to the
>>>> reduction of US manufacturing capability which results in fewer
>>>> exports and more imports over the last 15 years.
>>>> The US's wealth has been drained away.
>>>
>>> It's called 'globalisation' and you lot started it. It gives you $50
>>> DVD players you'd never have otherwise etc etc. You can't stop it
>>> now.
>
>> The root cause is the world reserve currency fiat dollar and the US
>> federal government using its military if you want to get technical about it.
>
> Nope, we saw globalisation when the US federal govt was isolationist too.
it's not "globalisation". It's the monetary system.
>> Prices of things like DVD players go down inspite of the federal reserve and not because of it.
> He never said it had anything to do with the federal reserve.
Talk about missing the point.
== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:03 pm
From: Brent
On 2008-12-17, sambo <sambo@yhtr.com> wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>> On 2008-12-16, Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So you believe these jomocas asking for the handout? Pretty funny.
>>>
>>> I believe the jomocas when they say that Chapter 11 equals Chapter 7
>>> which equals liquidation, which means that GM and Chrysler will
>>> cease to exist. Of course, both GM and Chrysler will cease to exist
>>> without Chapter 11. So there ya go. The auto execs. claim that GM
>>> and Chrysler will cease to exist soon.
>
>> GM and chrysler will not cease to exist. They will cease to
>> exist as we know them if liquidated, but those name plates and the
>> model names alone have value and someone will build vehicles under
>> those names.
> That doesnt mean that GM or chrysler exists, just that those NAMES do, stupid.
Had feeling it was you rod. give it up.
PS: The "They will cease to exist as we know them" part covers your
complaint. Do try to learn to read before calling people stupid.
>> Atari was liquidated, yet one can still buy new new atari products
>> today. Ultimately the atari name was worth too much to let go and
>> someone rebuilt a company from the ashes.
>
== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:44 pm
From: russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
In article <d81917a8-1c6d-4a9e-a0d3-bb252bf5036e@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
lorad <lorad474@cs.com> wrote:
>On Dec 13, 5:18=A0pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am - Does that include all the US plants run by Honda, Toyota, BMW,
>> Mercedes, etc? =A0 Does that figure also include all the car dealers who
>> provide more jobs than the car companies?
>
>Those are all foreign cars.. All of the benefits of manufacturing go
>back to their parent countries - not the US.
Well, except for all the wages and salaries of all the plant workers,
and the US suppliers of material to the plant, and the US
transporation providers servicing the plant, and the US utilities
providing power and water to the plant... I guess you're pretty much
off base here.
--
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== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:45 pm
From: russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
In article <386e833d-f7e4-40a7-8c92-78d50000a035@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
lorad <lorad474@cs.com> wrote:
>
>Bumpkin,
>It means that yet more US money wiill be leaving the country..
>Which is the primary reason why the US is now in an economic
>depression.
Really? I heard it had something to do with real estate...
--
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== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:54 pm
From: russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
In article <daniel_t-E9CDC0.09290814122008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Daniel T. <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
>lorad <lorad474@cs.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 13, 6:00 pm, "Daniel T." <danie...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
>> > > On Dec 13, 7:20 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > If we lose the auto industry in America, we also lose 1/7th of all US
>> > > jobs.
>> > > Think about that.
>> >
>> > Really? How do you figure that? What does "losing the auto industry"
>> > even mean?
>>
>> Bumpkin,
>> It means that yet more US money wiill be leaving the country..
>> Which is the primary reason why the US is now in an economic
>> depression.
>
>Non-Sequitur. Let me ask another way... If GM declares bankruptcy, but
>continues to build cars (just like the airlines declared bankruptcy but
>continued to fly planes,) is it "lost"? And who is it lost to? and how
>many jobs would that entail? I seriously doubt that 1/7th of the US
>population works for three companies.
That's because Dave just pulled a number out of his ass. Total motor
vehicle parts and manufacturing jobs hit a high of about 1.3 million
in 2000; it's now down to just over 800,000. Add in the wholesalers
at rougly 350,000, and the retailers at 1.9 million, and you get
roughly 3.1 million. Employment stands at about 144 million. So
total auto industry employment (both foreign and domestic), is just
over 2% of employed workers. One seventh? Ha.
http://www.bls.gov/bls/auto.htm
--
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== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:59 pm
From: russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
In article <Xna1l.14646$uS1.13001@newsfe19.iad>,
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>high priced designer cars (Porsche, lamborghini, etc), I'm not sure
>there has every really been much styling to affordable Toyotas, Hondas,
>Nissans, etc. At best they are functional, cost effective vehicles,
>typically available in any shade of gray you'd ever want - platinum.
>charcoal, medium gray, dark gray, etc.
And beige. Don't forget beige.
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== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 2:12 pm
From: russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
In article <eqfbk45a2tjj2t0co95p63qm5mbn5p6501@4ax.com>,
Dave Head <Rally2xs@att.net> wrote:
>
>The taxpayers haven't quite thought this through yet, and don't have a clue how
>bad things are going to get if we lose that much manufacturing capability.
>
>Plus, a _lot_ of this is based on hate - half hating the unions, half hating
>the companies. That's no valid reason to make such an important decisions.
You think hating the recipients is an invalid reason to oppose a
handout? What, precisely, would be a valid reason?
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== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 2:19 pm
From: russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
In article <366fda03-7435-4967-b866-5330fe8be539@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<hc23hc1@mac.com> wrote:
>
>The Big 3 aren't in the business of selling cars. They're in the
>business of reneging on contracts they made with the people working
>for them.
Cry me a river. The people working for them demanded the moon. The
fools running the companies promised it to them, and even provided it
for a while -- and it ultimately broke the companies.
--
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== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 2:24 pm
From: Dave Head
On Dec 17, 5:12 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto)
wrote:
> In article <eqfbk45a2tjj2t0co95p63qm5mbn5p6...@4ax.com>,
> Dave Head <Rally...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >The taxpayers haven't quite thought this through yet, and don't have a clue how
> >bad things are going to get if we lose that much manufacturing capability.
>
> >Plus, a _lot_ of this is based on hate - half hating the unions, half hating
> >the companies. That's no valid reason to make such an important decisions.
>
> You think hating the recipients is an invalid reason to oppose a
> handout?
Yes.
>What, precisely, would be a valid reason?
A valid reason to oppose the bridge loan would be because you believe
it to not be in the best interests of the country.
I don't think I much care for the companies or the unions, at least
their "bad" sides of both being excessively greedy. However, I
believe that _both_ of them, together and separately, will be able to
make use of the monies provided to work together and find a better way
of operating and reform to a point where they can make cars
competitively again.
Think of providing the money to enhance America's future, rather than
to enhance the lives of people you may not feel to kindly towards.
Kinda like dumping maggots into a wound - you hate the little vermin,
but you "feed" them your dead flesh and you don't get gangrene and you
don't lose your leg.
== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 2:24 pm
From: "sambo"
Brent wrote:
> On 2008-12-17, sambo <sambo@yhtr.com> wrote:
>> Brent wrote:
>>> On 2008-12-16, Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> So you believe these jomocas asking for the handout? Pretty
>>>>> funny.
>>>>
>>>> I believe the jomocas when they say that Chapter 11 equals Chapter
>>>> 7 which equals liquidation, which means that GM and Chrysler will
>>>> cease to exist. Of course, both GM and Chrysler will cease to exist
>>>> without Chapter 11. So there ya go. The auto execs. claim that GM
>>>> and Chrysler will cease to exist soon.
>>
>>> GM and chrysler will not cease to exist. They will cease to
>>> exist as we know them if liquidated, but those name plates and the
>>> model names alone have value and someone will build vehicles under
>>> those names.
>
>> That doesnt mean that GM or chrysler exists, just that those NAMES do, stupid.
> PS: The "They will cease to exist as we know them" part covers your complaint.
You're lying, as always.
> Do try to learn to read before calling people stupid.
Do try to retake Bullshitting 101, child.
>>> Atari was liquidated, yet one can still buy new new atari products
>>> today. Ultimately the atari name was worth too much to let go and
>>> someone rebuilt a company from the ashes.
== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 2:27 pm
From: clams_casino
Matthew Russotto wrote:
>In article <Xna1l.14646$uS1.13001@newsfe19.iad>,
>clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>high priced designer cars (Porsche, lamborghini, etc), I'm not sure
>>there has every really been much styling to affordable Toyotas, Hondas,
>>Nissans, etc. At best they are functional, cost effective vehicles,
>>typically available in any shade of gray you'd ever want - platinum.
>>charcoal, medium gray, dark gray, etc.
>>
>>
>
>And beige. Don't forget beige.
>
>
and for added variety, there's always options for black and white.
== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 2:46 pm
From: James
On Dec 16, 10:45 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2008-12-17, Dave Head <rally...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:14:51 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> >>> The rest of the world would _sooo_ take advantage of us if we didn't keep up a
> >>> strong military...
> >>Why does the US need an empire around the world? Wouldn't have such a
> >>need for the military if it wasn't for the US government didn't
> >>interfere in other people's business for the benefit of the wealthy that
> >>government serves.
> > Oh, yeah, I forgot - nobody else on the planet ever engages in aggression,
>
> No need for an empire. Nobody has invaded sweden, japan, canada,
> austraila, and countless other nations that don't operate overseas
> military bases.
Since 1940 (yes before Pearl Harbour) the US had a pact with Canada to
defend her borders. An attack on Canada is an attack on the US and
vice versa - hence why Canadian fighters were flying over New England
and Seattle after 9/11.
And all those countries except Sweden are part of mutual defence
alliances which may take advantage of US foreign bases.
For example, during the war in Kosovo, Canada and others used a NATO
base, on Italian soil, but forall intents and purposes run by the US.
Canada did by the way have its own bases in Germany during the cold
war, an army base and an air base.
>
> > attempts to harrass or interdict shipping on the high seas that is vital to us,
> > attack our friends or aids our enemies, etc.
>
> The best way to defend against pirates is to arm the merchant men.
>
Not all the merchent men will arm themselves, and if they do, the
pirates will just adapt and get more agressive. A professional navy
will be the only real deterent.
> ? No conflicts around the world
>
> > ever involve American citizens trapped in combat zones the need rescuing, our
> > embassies are never held hostage, or anything like that.
>
> Part of freedom is not having the US military to bail your dumbass out.
>
> > We have no shorelines
> > that would be wide open to attack from whoever decided that their tin can of a
> > combat ship could roll into San Francisco harbor and shoot up the town.
>
> Why does that require bases in Iraq, Germany, cuba, england, japan, and
> many other places far away from US shore line?
>
Many of those are now staging areas for other operations. Getting last
minute permission to use a friendly government's facilities to launch
an attack is not as easy as it sounds.
<snip>
James
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TOPIC: Spamming Action Figures, Toys & Boys Clothing
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:19 pm
From: Steve Daniels
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:44:43 -0500, against all advice, something
compelled clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com>, to say:
> ClothesOut wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I have some great gently used toys -
> >
>
>
> and I have some advice - spamming newsgroups can get your eBay account
> terminated.
No, it can't.
--
Real men don't text.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:37 pm
From: clams_casino
Steve Daniels wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:44:43 -0500, against all advice, something
>compelled clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com>, to say:
>
>
>
>> ClothesOut wrote:
>>
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> >I have some great gently used toys -
>> >
>>
>>
>> and I have some advice - spamming newsgroups can get your eBay account
>> terminated.
>>
>>
>
>
>No, it can't.
>
>
You are correct. I stand corrected. For the mentally challenged, if
eBay receives complaints about your spamming newsgroups about your eBay
items, your eBay account can be suspended.
"Spam is not permitted on eBay."
"Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
*
Listing cancellation
*
Limits on account privileges
*
Account suspension
*
Forfeit of eBay fees on canceled listings
*
Loss of PowerSeller status"
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:29 pm
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com
ClothesOut wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have some great gently used toys - a set of two Ninjas with
> accessories, WWE wrestlers, and boys clothing in sizes 10 & 16.
> Surprise your son, nephew or grandson with a toy he'll play with for
> hours. These extremely popular action figures will keep the young ones
> in your life very busy. Auctions end late tonight and tomorrow so
> don't miss out! Also have a set of knee and elbow pads. Just perfect
> for skating or skateboarding time. Go to http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/helporgs
> for photos, a complete description, and to place your bid today.
>
> Payment: PayPal or Credit Card
>
> PayPal & ID Verified; 100% Feedback Rating on eBay. Shop with
> confidence.
>
> Merry Christmas!
I am so glad to eliminate the middle man now. She has reached the
stage where cash is king and I don't have to shop. Others give her
plenty of useless gifts.
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TOPIC: How to: Live on $12,000 a Year
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
rick++ wrote:
> The wild-card is housing.
> Thats 40% of my annual budget.
> If you live in cheap rural area or paid-off house, housing cost may be trivial.
Not trivial the way the US does property taxes.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
tweeny90655@mypacks.net wrote:
> Salford1 <vectisp...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Makes sense.....Given the current climate!
>> http://www.osawatch.com/2007/02/can_you_live_on.html
> This is all nickel and dime stuff. The bit about owning more clothes
> and washing less frequently is a joke. Doesn't it amount to the same
> thing - doing one load a week or two loads every two weeks?
He's actually talking about only washing full loads.
> Now, if he'd said "wear the same clothes and never wash em"
> then I can see a savings. But who wants to live that way?
Bums.
> The only folks I know who can get by on 12 thou a year are an elderly
> couple who live in cheap paidup housing in the sticks, don't own a
> car, never eat out, are uninsured and def. don't have the frills.
Anyone who doesnt have significant housing costs can do that too.
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TOPIC: Wealth Management is the key
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Macuser wrote:
> Not if everything across the board falls 40%.
It never ever does, not even in the great depression.
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TOPIC: overdraft
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:03 pm
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com
On Dec 17, 1:11 am, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 11:28 am, tmcl...@searchmachine.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 9:18 am, Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply
>
> > <samh...@sonic.net> wrote:
> > > tmcl...@searchmachine.com wrote:
> > > > you have a problem with people giving you bad checks, cash all checks
> > > > at the issuing bank, and again, no more overdrafts. Buying a money
> > > > order when you could just use a check or a credit card? You're
> > > > kidding, right?
>
> > > I don't know where you live, but sad to say, many banks in my community
> > > will not cash a check if you don't have an account at that bank.
> > > Ridiculous (except for the fact that maybe the checks could be excellent
> > > forgeries) but true.
>
> > Umm, they HAVE to, if it's drawn on their bank and you have photo ID.
> > If it's not drawn on their bank, then they can refuse, but again, not
> > if it's "their" check.
>
> thanks... its so easy to forget the actual facts of life with some
> idiot lying clerk or bank manager telling you
> that you 'need to open an acccount to cash checks'... that couldnt
> possibly be true if commerce is to work as it does, its obvious... I
> fell for that
> baloney though myself.
>
> in the future I wont....I will look at them as though they are
> criminally insane sociopaths next time I try to run a customers check
> through is own bank.
>
> ... and I will have fun with that.
>
> trust me.
>
> and thanks again for point out the obvious.
>
> Phil scott- Hide quoted text -
Jesus, what is wrong with you? I am merely pointing out that it is
illegal for a bank to refuse to cash a check written by one of its
depositors, whether or not the check receiver is an account holder.
The problem is that you can point out the illegality to the bank all
day long, but the only person with legal standing to sue the bank for
unlawful dishonor of a check is the person who wrote it, not the one
holding the piece of paper. None of that makes it any less illegal,
however.
You need anger management classes. PLONK.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:24 pm
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com
On Dec 17, 2:58 pm, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> If, like me, you like to keep a plastic bag or two in your jacket pocket
> in case you need one, *don't* try this with biodegradable plastic bags.
>
> You see, they are ... well, biodegradable, and after some period of time
> in your pocket, will degrade into a pile of tiny plastic confetti which
> manages to cling to just about everything.
>
> :-( :-(
>
> (My only consolation is that I assume that over time the various
> minuscule flakes I keep finding will degrade to something invisible to
> the human eye.)
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.
Always wise to be skeptical of new technology, but I doubt you have a
problem. Unless you have sunlight and a compost pile in your pocket,
the bag may outlast you. What bothers me some is that they seek to
make such things as auto dash boards out of degradable plastic. They
degrade fast enough as it is. If the car companies can place a
lifetime of 10 years on any vehicle, those of us that keep things
longer will have more problems. It makes more sense to me to recycle
landfill products
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 2:58 pm
From: Evelyn Leeper
MSfortune@mcpmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 17, 2:58 pm, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> If, like me, you like to keep a plastic bag or two in your jacket pocket
>> in case you need one, *don't* try this with biodegradable plastic bags.
>>
>> You see, they are ... well, biodegradable, and after some period of time
>> in your pocket, will degrade into a pile of tiny plastic confetti which
>> manages to cling to just about everything.
>>
>> :-( :-(
>>
>> (My only consolation is that I assume that over time the various
>> minuscule flakes I keep finding will degrade to something invisible to
>> the human eye.)
>
> Always wise to be skeptical of new technology, but I doubt you have a
> problem. Unless you have sunlight and a compost pile in your pocket,
> the bag may outlast you.
You missed my point--I had a bag that degraded even without sunlight and
a compost pile in my pocket.
(It could be worse--I know someone who almost burned themselves carrying
keys and a 9V transistor battery in their pocket when a key ended out
resting on both terminals of the battery for a fair length of time. As
it was, it melted the hard candy they had in that pocket!)
--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 3:11 pm
From: kim
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:40:19 -0800 (PST), mugglefuggle@googlemail.com
wrote:
>Ha ha ha! There are 11 million "illegal aliens" in the USA. You
>propose to kick them all out? The Government is broke; it doesn't have
>the money to hire buses and trains. Nor does it have the wit and skill
>to find many of the 11 million.
>
>And if it did, the US economy would shut down for good; crops would
>rot on the farms. A new Dust Bowl, a new Great Depression would ensue.
>
>Ha ha ha!
Keep laughing while the government blows your money ....
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=6472915&page=1
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