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Friday, January 9, 2009

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TOPIC: Today' Topic : Learn about the systems approach to management
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 1:35 am
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TOPIC: Hello and Seeking Members Interested in Global Energy Assessment
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 2:29 am
From: Ramesh Mani

Hi all,

Great to know there is such an active forum in India to articulate its
energy future and sustainable living initiatives. Incidentally, I
returned back to India earlier this year following a long innings at
CERA. My interest area is on World Energy Assessment and how the
results hold pertinence for India. Please connect with me directly if
any one in the group's membership shares the same interest.

For those who are interested, The Global Energy Assessment
( www.globalenergyassessment.org ) will present a First Order Draft
around March 1, 2009 .Prof. Thomas Johannson, Senior Advisor, Energy
and Climate Change, UNDP & Co-recipient, Nobel Peace Prize to the
IPCC, 2007, will be India speaking at the Green Energy Summit:
http://www.greenenergysummit.com based on that work. Should any of
you be attending the summit, please connect with me, so we can hook up
early on.

Regards,
Ramesh Mani

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TOPIC: Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 3:37 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

david7gable@aol.com wrote:
> Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption
> By Marcia Angell
> New York Review of Books, v. 56, no. 1, January 15, 2009
>
> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22237

> those that rely heavily on drugs or devices. It is simply no longer
> possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published,
> or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative
> medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I
> reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The
> New England Journal of Medicine."

Good to see this stuff finally coming to light. Its a bit brief on the
methods used in trials, but its an excellent contribution and
explanation of concepts that seem to puzzle so many.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 3:40 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

meow2...@care2.com wrote:
> david7gable@aol.com wrote:

> > Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption
> > By Marcia Angell
> > New York Review of Books, v. 56, no. 1, January 15, 2009
> >
> > http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22237

I was about to say this belongs in another group, but it can save many
people a lot of money on prescriptions.

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TOPIC: Divorcing husband demands kidney back from cheating wife (or payment)
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 4:14 am
From: ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber)

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:00:05 -0800 (PST), lenona321@yahoo.com wrote:

>I heard about this this morning. Here's most of the AP article:
>
>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvJ5TlgzE010EKMRYOefrIy9x=
>PDAD95IVKRG0
>
>NY man demands estranged wife pay him for kidney
>By FRANK ELTMAN =96 10 hours ago
>
>GARDEN CITY, N.Y. (AP) =97 A Long Island surgeon embroiled in a nearly
>four-year divorce proceeding wants his estranged wife to return the
>kidney he donated to her, although he says he'll settle for $1.5
>million in compensation.
>
<bigsnip>
>
>http://news.google.com/news?hl=3Den&ned=3Dus&nolr=3D1&q=3Dkidney+batista&bt=
>nG=3DSearch
> (more articles)
>
>
>I expect this to show up in GlennSacks.com soon, mainly because while
>it MAY be safe to say that Batista doesn't really expect any judge to
>take him seriously, at least he's willing to go public and risk having
>most strangers laugh at him in exchange for a lot of sympathy from
>divorced dads - and Sacks tends to admire men like that.
>
>Lenona.

if he is claiming that it is still his, can she find out how much it
costs to keep a =klidney waiting for donation and charge him storage
fees?

elise

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 8:54 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jan 9, 7:14 am, ediefa...@yahoo.com (elise d faber) wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:00:05 -0800 (PST), lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >I heard about this this morning. Here's most of the AP article:
>
> >http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvJ5TlgzE010EKMRYOe...
> >PDAD95IVKRG0
>
> >NY man demands estranged wife pay him for kidney
> >By FRANK ELTMAN =96 10 hours ago
>
> >GARDEN CITY, N.Y. (AP) =97 A Long Island surgeon embroiled in a nearly
> >four-year divorce proceeding wants his estranged wife to return the
> >kidney he donated to her, although he says he'll settle for $1.5
> >million in compensation.
>
> <bigsnip>
>
> >http://news.google.com/news?hl=3Den&ned=3Dus&nolr=3D1&q=3Dkidney+bati...
> >nG=3DSearch
> > (more articles)
>
> >I expect this to show up in GlennSacks.com soon, mainly because while
> >it MAY be safe to say that Batista doesn't really expect any judge to
> >take him seriously, at least he's willing to go public and risk having
> >most strangers laugh at him in exchange for a lot of sympathy from
> >divorced dads - and Sacks tends to admire men like that.
>
> >Lenona.
>
> if he is claiming that it is still his, can she find out how much it
> costs to keep a =klidney waiting for donation and charge him storage
> fees?
>

Human organs have a very short "shelf-life" once they're outside the
body, so I don't think storage fees apply. They put the thing into a
cooler and ship it to the recipient, so I suspect the total cost is
the baggie, the ice, and the cooler. Not exactly big bucks.

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TOPIC: Where do you get your best buys in cat food?
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Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 4:25 am
From: "Evelyn"

"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message
news:fpqdnY70k4kJrPnUnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@posted.visi...
> cshenk wrote:
>> That 40# bag is probably totally USA generated and decent quality with
>> none
>> of the problems the overseas stuff has had.
>
> I'm not sure one can assume that. The melamine problem in 2007, a lot
> of USA brands were affected. It's a global market, and manufacturers
> order ingredients from wherever the deal is best.
>
> I lost 3 cats that year. I mostly fed them brands that weren't on the
> lists of affected catfood (which included even premium brands like
> Eukanuba and Science Diet), but one wonders.
>
> Dave

I think the problem is much more widespread than we all thought. My dogs
got sick that year. All are well now, but it was a scary time. I also
feed my cats science diet. But they also get a can of friskies in the AM
and one in the PM too. Buying it by the case in Sam's club is a decent
deal.

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Best Regards,
Evelyn

Rest in a sky-like mind.
Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
Breathe like the wind circling the world

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TOPIC: don't gas stations have bathrooms any more?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 5:03 am
From: OhioGuy

I filled up at a fairly new looking Marathon gas station yesterday
morning, then went inside to use the bathroom. I was told "We don't
have one."

Now I had my receipt in hand, so obviously I was a customer. This
was also one of those places that sells loads of food and "huge gulp"
type drinks.

Obviously, they would have to have a bathroom for employees. If it
was an old gas station, I suppose I could see why they might not have a
bathroom if they didn't want the expense of making sure the bathroom met
newer standards, such as handicapped access. However, this thing is no
more than a few years old.

Is this a new trend? (my bladder is hoping not) The only gas station
where I've seen this before was one that OBVIOUSLY didn't have a
bathroom - it was a tiny shack about 8' long and 5' wide, with just
enough room for the attendant. This was a full sized one where it looks
like they took the space normally reserved for a bathroom and used it
instead to showcase merchandise.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 6:05 am
From: Rick

On Jan 9, 8:03 am, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> I filled up at a fairly new looking Marathon gas station yesterday
> morning, then went inside to use the bathroom. I was told "We don't
> have one."
>
> Now I had my receipt in hand, so obviously I was a customer. This
> was also one of those places that sells loads of food and "huge gulp"
> type drinks.
>
> Obviously, they would have to have a bathroom for employees. If it
> was an old gas station, I suppose I could see why they might not have a
> bathroom if they didn't want the expense of making sure the bathroom met
> newer standards, such as handicapped access. However, this thing is no
> more than a few years old.
>
> Is this a new trend? (my bladder is hoping not) The only gas station
> where I've seen this before was one that OBVIOUSLY didn't have a
> bathroom - it was a tiny shack about 8' long and 5' wide, with just
> enough room for the attendant. This was a full sized one where it looks
> like they took the space normally reserved for a bathroom and used it
> instead to showcase merchandise.

I thought there was some law somewhere that retail establishments had
to provide for bathrooms for the public. I bet that person was
messing with you.

Regards,

Rick

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 6:32 am
From: "Bill"

In Europe they have pay bathrooms. And that is OK with me. If you've got to
go, you've got to go!

I would rather have pay bathroom available than no bathrooms.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 6:49 am
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article <gk7i0m$2kjs$1@news.ett.com.ua>, OhioGuy <none@none.net>
wrote:

> I filled up at a fairly new looking Marathon gas station yesterday
> morning, then went inside to use the bathroom. I was told "We don't
> have one."
>
> Now I had my receipt in hand, so obviously I was a customer. This
> was also one of those places that sells loads of food and "huge gulp"
> type drinks.
>
> Obviously, they would have to have a bathroom for employees. If it
> was an old gas station, I suppose I could see why they might not have a
> bathroom if they didn't want the expense of making sure the bathroom met
> newer standards, such as handicapped access. However, this thing is no
> more than a few years old.
>
> Is this a new trend? (my bladder is hoping not) The only gas station
> where I've seen this before was one that OBVIOUSLY didn't have a
> bathroom - it was a tiny shack about 8' long and 5' wide, with just
> enough room for the attendant. This was a full sized one where it looks
> like they took the space normally reserved for a bathroom and used it
> instead to showcase merchandise.

I think you should call both Marathon and the state Attorney General.
The building code probably requires a bathroom for the public.

I travel extensively, and I have not seen any kind of trend towards
eliminating bathrooms from convenience stores or gas stations. I
have seen more and more have these rooms locked where you have
to ask for a key.

I ran into only 2 gas stations that I can recall that didn't have
bathrooms. One was in Port Arthur, Tx, just after a hurricane,
and the city water was not working yet. The other was in
Waterloo, IA, and their sewer was backed up, so they have the
bathrooms closed. Perhaps the location you were at was in the
process of remodeling or had some problem like this.

At any rate, there are always more stations and fast food outlets
that do have bathrooms, plus rest stops on the Interstates.

-john-

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TOPIC: OT - Survivalism Retail Style
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 5:06 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism Ed Huntress <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

> <EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
> news:gk2ntk$ih9$2@reader1.panix.com...
> > In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously suffer both deflation and
> >> inflation?
> >
> > Winston says Yes.

> Winston be wrong. You can have inflation and a contracting economy
> (stagflation), or deflation and a contracting economy (recession), but you
> can't have aggregate inflation and aggregate deflation at the same time.

Yep. But try to tell him that, and he will change the subject.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 5:18 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism F. George McDuffee <gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:

> But much depends on the "money of account." If you have two
> currencies circulating at the same time in an economy, it would
> indeed be possible to have a deflation with one and an inflation
> with the other, even if these have the same nominal
> name/denomination such as "dollars."

> This appears to be the case in current situation.

> In terms of actual FRB greenback dollars, there does appear to be
> at least a slight deflation (which may well get worse) again
> proving that in a downturn "cash is king," but a very
> considerable inflation for the virtual dollars or "spondulicks,"
> in that many more "spondulicks" are now required to purchase the
> same quantities of goods/services, ==>when they can be exchanged
> at all.<==

What is a spondulick? How does one spend them for goods and services
without first converting them to dollars?

> This is by no means unusual, and appears to what happened in the
> 1929 depression, except the majority of spondulicks hyper
> inflated to the point of worthlessness, which was compounded by
> the error of attempting to balance the budget by the Hoover
> administration, further reducing the amount of money in
> circulation, both real and spondulicks. Of course this resulted
> in even more economic contraction and deflation, very similar to
> bleeding a patient that has a hemorrhage.

Is a spondulick every form of money other than currency? If so, then
what you say is just plain wrong. I can spend my virtual dollars via my
debit card at par. I can create virtual dollars via my credit card at
par.

> Having multiple denominations of currency in circulation, as is
> currently the case in the international economy and many
> countries,

OH. OK. So you are NOT talking about the USA?

does not appear to be a serious problem, as long as
> these are not allowed to have the same name and not commingled on
> the balance sheets as the same unit, as has repeatedly occurred
> with the US dollar and US spondulick.

Nope. Never has happened. The dollar value of assets, whether buildings,
inventory or whatever is noted on balance sheets.

What are some examples of spondulicks on the balance sheets of American
companies?

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 5:21 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously suffer both deflation and inflation?

> Corse it is, some things deflate in a recession, some inflate.

> The price of gasoline has obviously deflated. The cost of some
> taxes, particularly property taxes, have inflated for some.

Prices go up and down. To borrow the terms inflation and deflation as a
manner of speaking about individual price categories is not illuminating.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 6:10 am
From: "John R. Carroll"

<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
news:gk7iqh$6qc$1@reader1.panix.com...
> In misc.survivalism F. George McDuffee <gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us>
> wrote:
>
>> But much depends on the "money of account." If you have two
>> currencies circulating at the same time in an economy, it would
>> indeed be possible to have a deflation with one and an inflation
>> with the other, even if these have the same nominal
>> name/denomination such as "dollars."
>
>> This appears to be the case in current situation.
>
>> In terms of actual FRB greenback dollars, there does appear to be
>> at least a slight deflation (which may well get worse) again
>> proving that in a downturn "cash is king," but a very
>> considerable inflation for the virtual dollars or "spondulicks,"
>> in that many more "spondulicks" are now required to purchase the
>> same quantities of goods/services, ==>when they can be exchanged
>> at all.<==
>
> What is a spondulick? How does one spend them for goods and services
> without first converting them to dollars?
>
>> This is by no means unusual, and appears to what happened in the
>> 1929 depression, except the majority of spondulicks hyper
>> inflated to the point of worthlessness, which was compounded by
>> the error of attempting to balance the budget by the Hoover
>> administration, further reducing the amount of money in
>> circulation, both real and spondulicks. Of course this resulted
>> in even more economic contraction and deflation, very similar to
>> bleeding a patient that has a hemorrhage.
>
> Is a spondulick every form of money other than currency? If so, then
> what you say is just plain wrong. I can spend my virtual dollars via my
> debit card at par. I can create virtual dollars via my credit card at
> par.
>
>
>> Having multiple denominations of currency in circulation, as is
>> currently the case in the international economy and many
>> countries,
>
> OH. OK. So you are NOT talking about the USA?
>
> does not appear to be a serious problem, as long as
>> these are not allowed to have the same name and not commingled on
>> the balance sheets as the same unit, as has repeatedly occurred
>> with the US dollar and US spondulick.
>
> Nope. Never has happened. The dollar value of assets, whether buildings,
> inventory or whatever is noted on balance sheets.

The value of risk arbitrage is principally set by ratings agencies.
In fact, risk isn't really tied to currency at all, it's modelled as an
outcome and assigned a probability.

>
> What are some examples of spondulicks on the balance sheets of American
> companies?

Collateralized Debt Obligations.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 8:15 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:18:09 +0000 (UTC),
EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
<snip>
>What is a spondulick? How does one spend them for goods and services
>without first converting them to dollars?
<snip>
While spondulicks are indeed fictional, the concept can help the
average person to make sense of a very confusing situation.

Spondulicks are dollar denominated securities that circulate just
like money. What makes this so insidious is that these are both
called "dollars," albeit very different kinds.

Back when the M&A activity first got going, it was common for
entire corporations to be purchased with "spondulicks," aka
"chinese currency," aka stock for stock exchanges.

It is still relatively easy to convert real dollars to
spondulicks, just buy stock or bonds.

Spondulick<-->spondulick exchanges are very common, for example
day stock trading.

The big problem is trying to convert spondulicks back into real
dollars, particularly for individuals, at anything close to par.
This generally requires very arcane institutions and
organizations such as banks and brokerages, which generally
charge high fees for the service, when it can be done at all. A
major problem now is the wildly varying conversion rate between
real and virtual dollars [aka spondulicks], e.g. 500 point daily
swings in the DJIA.

Operationally the "bank note era," when many US banks issued
their own notes of dubious value has been recreated, only better
in that the need to print anything has been eliminated.

for some background see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2205280

Gresham's law states "bad money drives out good money," and this
seems to be what is occurring in the current economy.

Asking the question "are we talking about real money or
spondulicks," can help clarify many apparently contradictory
situations. For example, how can the US stock market be going up
when the US economy is contracting, and there is [apparently] a
real dollar deflation. IMNSHO the answer is that the US stock
market is now largely denominated in/dominated by spondulicks,
not [real] dollars.

Much of the recent Treasury/FRB activities also start to make
some sense if these are regarded as efforts to "manage" the real
dollar <--> spondulick exchange rates, much as the Dollar<-->Euro
and Dollar<-->Yen rates are managed.

On another level this is just so much BS, where huge sums of
[real] taxpayer money continue to disappear with no
accountability or results/benefits to the majority of
citizens/taxpayers.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 5:06 am
From: OhioGuy

I've tried Ubuntu, and while I think it is a great basic OS, it
didn't work out for me because the computer I was trying it on did not
have any connection to the OS.

I needed something that would play various multimedia files (h.264,
mpeg4, etc.) right out of the box.

Instead of basic Ubuntu, I went with a variant that was developed
exactly for this purpose: Linux Mint. Right out of the box, it will
play pretty much any video file you throw at it.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 6:10 am
From: Dee

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in
news:SNx9l.2$1k1.1@newsfe14.iad:

> I went in and asked. (1) You have to steam them off the old
> envelope and glue them to the new; and (2) once they've been put
> on an envelope you can't put them on another envelope. What's
> wrong with this picture?

This may have already been suggested, but I cut the stamps off then use
a glue-stick to paste them onto the new envelope. Maybe it's a local
thing or maybe it's that there's no tell-tale tape showing around the
stamp, but the mail is accepted and sent with no problems.

Dee

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 6:21 am
From: Rick

Hello all,

We attended a short class on how to make cheese last night. It turned
out very nice.

We did a very basic recipe.
1 gal milk (we used whole milk)
1 tsp calcium chloride (because we didn't h have raw milk)
1/2 cup lemon juice (to seperate the curds and wey)

After we pressed it through the cheese cloth, we salted it to taste.

Unsalted, it tasted like flour paste. It wasn't very pleasant at
all. However, after it sat for a few minutes with the salt mixed in,
the flavor was much better.

It made about a pound - the size of softball.

How many people make their own cheese here?
What knid do you make?

Regards,

Rick Boesen
Olivet, MI
www.FiberArtFest.com
www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 7:27 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

Rick wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> We attended a short class on how to make cheese last night. It turned
> out very nice.
>
> We did a very basic recipe.
> 1 gal milk (we used whole milk)
> 1 tsp calcium chloride (because we didn't h have raw milk)
> 1/2 cup lemon juice (to seperate the curds and wey)
>
> After we pressed it through the cheese cloth, we salted it to taste.
>
> Unsalted, it tasted like flour paste. It wasn't very pleasant at
> all. However, after it sat for a few minutes with the salt mixed in,
> the flavor was much better.
>
> It made about a pound - the size of softball.
>
> How many people make their own cheese here?
> What knid do you make?

Yogurt cheese--put some yogurt in something like a coffee cone/filter
(or strainer lined with filter paper, or whatever), set over a glass to
catch the liquid (which is healthy to drink), and put in the fridge
overnight.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 6:43 am
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article
<georgewkspam-FA8011.21154608012009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
doc marten <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

> we have a '59 Rex Mobile home and we love it. but I was curious.
> why does it have complete running lights , two permanent axles , electric
> brakes and hitch . It is 45 x 10 ?
> No ones going traveling with this monster. It's a long , long long
> trailer. It features a lot on built ins. like cabinets and a full
> kitchen not the construction office type.

In some localities, having running gear, hitch, and lights makes
the unit qualify as an RV rather than a home, so you don't have
to pay real estate taxes on it.

-john-

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 6:47 am
From: virig

Check out New Motorola QA30...
http://www.thecellphoneblog.info/2008/12/new-motorola-qa30.html

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 7:32 am
From: doc marten

I hope everyone has discovered the beauty of an "Air Lock".
We finally added one that doubles as a Mud room. the wood stove even can
be loaded from it. and a great place to feed the cat. She has a pet port
into it, but not the main house.
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 9 2009 7:42 am
From: nickoblake

We always knew they were ALL connected -just another VAST CRIMINAL
CONSPIRACY !

http://surftofind.com/bombshell

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