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TOPIC: Frugal living & tourism in Paris, France
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 10:14 pm
From: Magda <12@34.56>
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:34:43 +1000, in soc.culture.french, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... Magda <12@34.56> wrote
... > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
... >> Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote
...
... >>> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html
...
... >>> Some videos of Paris:
... >>> http://zsmith.org
...
... >> Show us the riots and cars being torched.
...
... > Their prez is better than your prez.
...
... I aint gotta prez, stupid.
Nor a brain, sparkle...
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 6:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:34:43 +1000, in soc.culture.french, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
> like this:
>
> ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote
> ... > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> ... >> Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote
> ...
> ... >>> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html
> ...
> ... >>> Some videos of Paris:
> ... >>> http://zsmith.org
> ...
> ... >> Show us the riots and cars being torched.
> ...
> ... > Their prez is better than your prez.
> ...
> ... I aint gotta prez, stupid.
>
> Nor a brain, sparkle...
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 10:27 pm
From: Magda <12@34.56>
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:23:30 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:34:43 +1000, in soc.culture.french, "Rod Speed"
... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
... > like this:
... >
... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote
... > ... > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
... > ... >> Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote
... > ...
... > ... >>> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html
... > ...
... > ... >>> Some videos of Paris:
... > ... >>> http://zsmith.org
... > ...
... > ... >> Show us the riots and cars being torched.
... > ...
... > ... > Their prez is better than your prez.
... > ...
... > ... I aint gotta prez, stupid.
... >
... > Nor a brain, sparkle...
...
... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
Give the example, grandpa.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 11:23 pm
From: Doesn't Frequently Mop
Make credence recognised that on Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:03:17 +0200,
Magda <12@34.56> has scripted:
>On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:46:35 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...
> ... > http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html
> ...
> ... > Some videos of Paris:
> ... > http://zsmith.org
> ...
> ... Show us the riots and cars being torched.
>
>Their prez is better than your prez.
Was rod.speed@gmail.com
then rod.speed.a@gmail.com
then rod.speed.aa@gmail.com
then rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
...
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 7:38 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:23:30 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
> like this:
>
> ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> ... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:34:43 +1000, in soc.culture.french, "Rod
> Speed" ... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so
> they looked ... > like this:
> ... >
> ... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote
> ... > ... > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> ... > ... >> Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote
> ... > ...
> ... > ... >>> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html
> ... > ...
> ... > ... >>> Some videos of Paris:
> ... > ... >>> http://zsmith.org
> ... > ...
> ... > ... >> Show us the riots and cars being torched.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... > Their prez is better than your prez.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... I aint gotta prez, stupid.
> ... >
> ... > Nor a brain, sparkle...
> ...
> ... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
>
> Give the example, grandpa.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
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TOPIC: A/C working properly? Cost -> lower temp?
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 8:14 pm
From: "Tony"
Carie
is it chance that your ac also have electrical heat
you could have both on at same time???????????
Tony
<carie_r@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1183919928.510548.114070@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 8, 1:40 pm, "Noon-Air" <Noon-...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> <cari...@mail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1183912915.221399.264580@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 7, 5:42 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:27:18 -0700, cari...@mail.com wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, cari...@mail.com wrote:
>> > ...
>> >> > "Why do you think it should be 20 deg
>> >> >different?" he says. I told him that's what I found on the internet.
>> >> >He checked more wires with his probe for another 5 minutes, then
>> >> >checked the temperature again. It now said 64 deg (18 deg different).
>>
>> >> Now the thing is working! Darn. It's much much harder to fix most
>> >> things when they are working right. Even things that only work
>> >> intermittently. You pretty much have to catch it when it's not
>> >> working to be able to fix many things.
>>
>> > I'm not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? He didn't adjust
>> > anything, he was just using something that looked like a voltmeter
>> > (and scratching his head, without actually doing that). Telling him
>> > the A/C couldn't get the apt down below 83 deg all day didn't mean
>> > anything to him.
>>
>> Quit screwing with that loser, call a pro to fix it, pay the man then
>> deduct
>> it from your rent.
>
> I hear you can do that in Illinois, or that use to be the case - maybe
> other places. The contract says no tenant repairs or improvements
> will be deducted from the rent. Of course that wouldn't matter if the
> contract was in IL because the law overrules it, but I don't believe
> that's the case here.
>
== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 1:27 pm
From: jJim McLaughlin
carie_r@mail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 7:29 am, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>cari...@mail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
>>>is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
>>>"hours" if it wasn't...
>>
>>Hmm. 12:00PM implies twelve hours past midday (p.m. = "post meridian" = past
>>midday). That would be midnight. From there to 7:46PM means the ac has been
>>on for almost twenty hours.
>>
>>Of course one could also say 12:00AM (a.m. = "ante meridian" = before
>>midday) which would also be midnight.
>
>
>
> Sorry, 12:00PM is noon. Have a High School diploma?? Is English your
> native language??
>
>
>
Lady, you are wrapped just a little bit too tght.
And you are wrong about the use of 12:00 PM to universally mean Noon.
== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 1:30 pm
From: jJim McLaughlin
carie_r@mail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 10:49 pm, BobK207 <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 7, 3:21 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>mm wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'll tell you how I remmeber this, and how I think it arose. The
>>>>moment of noon is neither before noon or after noon, but the
>>>>59.999999999...... seconds after that are after noon, and yet still
>>>>part of the minute that is 12:00. (and part of the second that is
>>>>12:00:00.) So even though all but the tiniest bit of the minute is not
>>>>noon, most of 12:00 noon is PM.
>>
>>>I'll have to admit that makes a lot of sense. The time exactly one
>>>minute after noon is 12:01PM. If noon has to be called either 12:00PM
>>>or 12:00AM, then out of the two, 12:00PM is the much more logical
>>>choice since it would be wacky for 12:00AM to be followed immediately
>>>by 12:01PM.
>>
>>>However, it is still not very good terminology since (a) the literal
>>>meaning of "12:00AM" is nonsensical and (b) there is already a
>>>perfectly good word ("noon") to describe the concept. On the other
>>>other hand, it is convenient for digital clocks to be able to read
>>>"12:00PM" instead of "noon", which is a good argument for defining
>>>12:00PM to be noon. On the other other other hand, there are various
>>>authorities whose opinions should matter, and they don't seem to all
>>>agree on any one thing.
>>
>>> - Logan
>>
>>mm & Logan-
>>
>>Of course you two are correct in your analysis of whether noon is
>>12am or 12 pm
>>
>>my original point was that 12am or 12pm can be (& is) confusing
>>depending the understanding writer & the reader
>>
>>but noon & midnight are unmistakable to all.......
>>
>>cheers
>>Bob
>
>
>
> 12:00am in used instead of 12:00pm only around 2 times in 1,000.
> See my post on that elsewhere in this thread:
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.home.repair/msg/34e1ed86acddde16?dmode=source&hl=en&output=gplain
>
Go fix your own AC you twit.
== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 1:32 pm
From: jJim McLaughlin
carie_r@mail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 4:52 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:57:04 -0500, Logan Shaw
>>
>>
>>
>><lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>cari...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Jul 7, 7:29 am, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>Hmm. 12:00PM implies twelve hours past midday (p.m. = "post meridian" = past
>>>>>midday). That would be midnight. From there to 7:46PM means the ac has been
>>>>>on for almost twenty hours.
>>
>>>>>Of course one could also say 12:00AM (a.m. = "ante meridian" = before
>>>>>midday) which would also be midnight.
>>
>>>>Sorry, 12:00PM is noon. Have a High School diploma?? Is English your
>>>>native language??
>>
>>>I have a high school (and college) diploma. Yet, I don't think everything
>>>I heard in high school (or college) is automatically true. In particular,
>>>2000 wasn't the first year of the new millenium, and 12:00 PM is not noon.
>>
>>>Here's an explanation of why:
>>
>>>
http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/general/misc.htm#Anchor-57026
>>
>>This is so on-point, I think it deserves to be quoted. Also, I don't
>>think there can be copyright issues with government websites info, all
>>of which should be in the public domain"
>>
>>Are noon and midnight 12 a.m. or 12 p.m.?
>>
>> This is a tricky question. The answer is that the terms 12 a.m.
>>and 12 p.m. are wrong and should not be used.
>>
>> To illustrate this, consider that "a.m" and "p.m." are
>>abbreviations for "ante meridiem" and "post meridiem." They mean
>>"before noon" and "after noon," respectively. Noon is neither before
>>or after noon; it is simply noon. Therefore, neither the "a.m." nor
>>"p.m." designation is correct. On the other hand, midnight is both 12
>>hours before noon and 12 hours after noon. Therefore, either 12 a.m.
>>or 12 p.m. could work as a designation for midnight, but both would be
>>ambiguous as to the date intended.
>>
>> When a specific date is important, and when we can use a 24-hour
>>clock, we prefer to designate that moment not as 1200 midnight, but
>>rather as 0000 if we are referring to the beginning of a given day (or
>>date), or 2400 if we are designating the end of a given day (or date).
>>
>> To be certain of avoiding ambiguity (while still using a 12-hour
>>clock), specify an event as beginning at 1201 a.m. or ending at 1159
>>p.m., for example; this method is used by the railroads and airlines
>>for schedules, and is often found on legal papers such as contracts
>>and insurance policies.
>>
>>===> I've heard this before.
>>
>> If one is referring not to a specific date, but rather to
>>several days, or days in general, use the terms noon and midnight
>>instead of 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. For example, a bank might be open on
>>Saturdays from 8 a.m. to noon. Or a grocery store might be open daily
>>until midnight. The terms "12 noon" and "12 midnight" are also
>>correct, though redundant.
>>
>>====> On July 3, I was a at a supermarket that had a temporary sign,
>>and someone had written "Open July 4, 7AM to 12AM, and then it had a
>>dark P written over the second A.
>>
>>
>>>Note that this comes from NIST, the National Institute of Standards
>>>and Technology, which is the US federal government agency responsible
>>>for standardizing measurements.
>>
>>I liked it better when it was the National Bureau of Standards. They
>>keep changing names and confusing me. (I'm just going to call the INS
>>"la Migra" so I don't have to worry when it changes names.)
>>
>>
>>>These are the people who operate
>>>NIST-F1, the atomic clock which is the primary reference for timekeeping
>>>in the United States, and one of the primary references worldwide.
>>
>>I'll tell you how I remmeber this, and how I think it arose. The
>>moment of noon is neither before noon or after noon, but the
>>59.999999999...... seconds after that are after noon, and yet still
>>part of the minute that is 12:00. (and part of the second that is
>>12:00:00.) So even though all but the tiniest bit of the minute is not
>>noon, most of 12:00 noon is PM.
>>
>>
>>> - Logan
>
>
> I posted a detailed reply to the 12:00 thing elsewhere is this thread.
>
Who cares what you posted. Is your AC working? If yes, shut up. If
no, shut up and go hire a repair person.
You are an annoying and self defeating fool.
== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 4:37 pm
From: mm
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:41:55 -0700, carie_r@mail.com wrote:
>On Jul 7, 5:42 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:27:18 -0700, cari...@mail.com wrote:
>> >On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, cari...@mail.com wrote:
>...
>> > "Why do you think it should be 20 deg
>> >different?" he says. I told him that's what I found on the internet.
>> >He checked more wires with his probe for another 5 minutes, then
>> >checked the temperature again. It now said 64 deg (18 deg different).
>>
>> Now the thing is working! Darn. It's much much harder to fix most
>> things when they are working right. Even things that only work
>> intermittently. You pretty much have to catch it when it's not
>> working to be able to fix many things.
>>
>
>I'm not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? He didn't adjust
No, I'm not being sarcastic. It certainly wasn't working the night
before. It may not have worked 10 minutes earlier, and it may not be
working ten minutes later, but if there was an 18 degree differential,
it was working then.
I didn't say he fixed it. I said it was working then.
It's very hard to fix something when it is working. That's why Click
and Clack, or anyone, tell customers to leave their cars at the shop
the night before, when people have cars that work badly when first
started, but work ok later. Some people will go to a service station
and tell them it's hard to start in the morning, can you fix it? But
they very often can't, because it's either not morning anymore or the
person drove 3 miles to the service station and the engine is warm
now, and it's working fine.
But even things that don't require warming up can have intermittent
problems. (Long story snipped before it was completed. Just take my
word.)
Even if the spec sheet says it should be 20, it's stilll working
pretty well, and if were able to stay that way, it would still cool
your apartment to the temp you want.
>anything, he was just using something that looked like a voltmeter
>(and scratching his head, without actually doing that). Telling him
>the A/C couldn't get the apt down below 83 deg all day didn't mean
>anything to him.
He may well have been incompetent, but your relationship is with your
landlord and not with this guy or the AC company.
You can make notes and calmly tell the landlord that he was ready to
leave after making two measurements with the voltmeter, but always be
polite.
I've lived in several apartments and one in Brooklyn NY for 11 years.
Actually one year in 4C and 10 years in 5A. The building was a nice
building, and the old woman landlady sold it after I had been there 3
or 4 years, to a European immigrant. I already had a policy of doing
my own repairs, and the aparment needed little anyhow. But I couldn't
do plaster and when there was a leak or something in the bathroom
above mine, I let him send his guy to repair the plaster, and it
looked like the icing on a cake, with all the hills and swirls.
Pitiful. He also thought he was a plumber and tried to fix the big
oil burner/boiler (6 stories, 49 units, steam heat) but he really
didn't know how. (There was a bucket in the furance room half full of
oil where he seemed unable to stop an oil drip in one of the pipes
related to the furnace. And other things.)
He also tried to evict me illegally. I was 2 weeks late on the rent
and he thought or said he thought I was 6 weeks late. He also only
gave me 48 hours notice, on a FRiday morning when I was going away for
the weekend, instead of starting with the required 30-days notice,
which he just skipped altoghether. So Monday morning, I didnt' go to
work, and I was inside the aparment with the door locked and chained,
and I wouldn't open the door for the city marshall, who had come to
evict me. I insisted on talking to the landlord first and he wasn't
at his office (before cell phones) but they called him and he called
me, and I convinced him I he had proceeded illegally as I say above,
and that if he did get me out, I was going to win in court for moving
charges, storage charges, plus the illegal eviction. (You can do this
with a good chance of success in NYC where tenants have rights. But in
almost all small cities and most big cities, tenants have fewer rights
than in NYC. So check before doing anything.)
I ended up agreeing to leave the apartment and go with his guy Friday
to my bank where I would get the money to pay that months's rent, and
to pay 3 or 4 hundred dollars to the marshall who also had to pay the
moving van for showing up even though they didn't move my stuff.
Did I yell at the landlord or curse him? Did I ever do that? No,
because those things would have not helped me.
I did however, withhold my rent on two occasions that we didn't have
heat, and of the three times he took me to court, once I broke even,
once I was awarded 100 dollars iirc, and once 200 dollars for the
electricity I used to make up for the heat he didn't give me.
If you don't live in New York City, it is very dangerous to withhold
rent. In most places you will get evicted for this, no matter how
valid your claim might be. You may win money later but your claim
will not stop your eviction, which will go much quicker than in NY as
well. This is true even for heat, but for air conditioning, people
have almost no rights, partly because very few people will die without
AC, but many die without heat, and partly because AC is relatively
new, and didn't exist or wasn't very common when most tenants rights
laws were written, several decades ago.
Well, finally, I was ready to move, and I told him I would move if he
gave me 1000 dollars (part to make up for what I shouldn't have had to
pay the marshall, and part for the interest on my secuity deposit for
11 years, which he was obliged by NYS law to give me but I was pretty
sure he woudln't, and part for aggravation.
And he agreed. And his lawyer told him not to give me the money until
after I moved out. And I told them I wouldn't move out until I had
the money. (I must admit. I didn't tell them I had bought a house
already in Baltimore, and accepted a job, and was leaving for sure. I
told him I had found an apartment in Queens, so he would think I might
not move after all.)
And Alex, the landlord, told the lawyer and his guy Friday (who told
me this story), "You can trust Michael".
He trusted me because I had never lied to him, I had never cursed him,
I had never yelled at him or insulted him, I had never called him at
home (even though neighbors had, some in the middle of the night, and
they had given me his home number)
Even when we didn't have heat in the middle of the night, I used my
electric heater, and didn't call him at home. I also treated him and
anyone who answered the phone with politeness and respect, no matter
what I was actually thinking about him.
== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 5:12 pm
From: mm
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:28:34 -0500, "Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net>
wrote:
>
>
>> I've been here for over a year and a half, and never had an electric
>> bill like that, the A/C has never ran continously like it is, and I
>> never had any problems getting the temp down to 76 deg.
OK, so it's not the size of the AC.
>>
>> The unit couldn't get the temperature below 83 the other day, when the
>> temperature outside was ONLY 90 deg with 37% humidity.
What about today? It was working for a little while. It would be
good to know about how long it was working, and what the temp is in
the apartment today. And what the temp is outside.
You should keep at least a daily record, but maybe an every 12 or 6 or
4 hour record when you are not sleeping. This will be valuable in
convincing the landlord it's still a real problem, in discussing
things with a city agency or in court if it ever gets to either of
those places, and might even turn out to help the repairmnan fix the
problem, if the problem is intermittent, which it seems to be.
Do you have a thermometer? You must have a thermometer, and frankly
it has to be more than 3 or 4 inches long to convince anyone it's ok.
I'm sure you can get one for a dollar at a dollar store, and a good,
prettier one for no more than 5. I'm still using a thermmeter I
bought 35 years ago, and one I bought 29 years ago. They are white
plastic so that it's gently backlit during the day time as the sun
goes through the white plastic. I had to reglue the glass tube into
place about 10 years ago (there's a small mark filed on the side that
should be next to 32 when it is glued, or you can tell where it was
sitting becuase there's a little dirt). I also bought a second
identical thermometer when I didn't have eneough heat (see other post
that may appear below this one) to keep a record of the indoor temp.
So now I have one on the second floor outside and one on the frist
floor outside.
Keep a record of the temp in the room you spend most of your time in,
and of your bedroom, and measure the temp of the air coming out of the
AC, and the air going in, probably where the ac guy did that, and keep
a record of everything. You will get far more respect from everyone
concerned than just saying it was 83 most days. Keep a record of
which of your vents are open and which are closed, and anything
unusual.
While your at it, even though it is the AC that is the big cause,
look for anything else that might be cause heat loss. If you can cure
anything yourself, your ll will respectd that. If you can't fix it,
just list it calmly (although maybe not unless he asks or until the AC
is fixed. If he's a bad landlord, he might decide to spend a week or
two on some small air leak, rather than pay for a high-rate repair
during the very hot weather.
Im assuming there is more than one rate. Do, or how many do, AC
repairmen charge more during July and August. Or do they charge the
same and you just have to wait at the bottom of the list?
>
>Whining about it on here won't get it fixed, calling your local housing
>authority might,
These groups usually work slowly, I am under the impression. How
could it be otherwise? First they call on the phone. The secretary
says, He'll get back to you. He calls back the next day, and says he
sent a repairman, but it doesn't seem to be fixed. They say, when do
you think you will be able to fix it. He says, The AC company says
tehgy'll be out the day after tomorrow. They call the tenant in a
week to see if it is fixed. She's at work and calls back the next
day, and so on.
> and keep jumping on the landlord about his handyman doesn't
>know shit about HVAC,
It doesn't matter how much he knows. The point is that it isn't fixed
yet. (assuming it is still hot inside today.)
> get a pro out there, will. Just flat tell the SOB,
>that he can send out a pro, and get it done right, or you will worry the
>stew out of him. There is nothing that says you can't call him on the phone
>dozens of times a day,
Yes there is. At some point LESS than dozens of time a day, it is
harrassment, and besides the potential liablitity for that, no court
of agency will look kindly on someone who does that.
>or show up on his door step, and camp out until he
>does something.
That too.
> How many other tenents are having issues?? Maybe a call to
>your local TV station news room??
This is also a mistake, especially when dealing with someone who had
it fixed a month ago (and as far as we know, it worked for the past
month until it broke sometime within the last week) and who has sent a
repairman, no matter how incompetnent. I'm sure the AC charged the LL
for a service call, and when he finds out it still doesn't work, the
LL will want to know what he's paying for. The AC company will say,
as they should, that it had 18 degrees differential when they were
there, and that is why the tenant has to keep a record like I say
above.
Even if perchance the kind of repeated complaining you are
recommending were to get her AC fixed, do you think she will get any
cooperation on anything in the future. At most given the reaction of
most people to being annoyed, she'll get the minimum the lease
requires and she'll have to wait for that.
And when the lease expires, he may well refuse to renew it. AFAIK, in
most places there is no recourse when a landlord refuses to renew a
lease. Even in places with rent control or rent stabilization, unless
you are in an aparment covered by one of those laws, there is afaik no
recourse. Even in NYC maybe but for sure in most or all other places.
She's been there a year and ahalf. Her lease might be up in 6 months.
It might have been up 6 months ago. She might be month-to-month now,
or soon. 30 days notice and she's got to be out, or in some places
she would have to the end of the month.
== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 5:26 pm
From: mm
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:37:41 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
>
>If you don't live in New York City, it is very dangerous to withhold
>rent. In most places you
I mentioned a moving van above, now snipped. Don't expect a moving
van. In NYC, LLs are required when evicting someone to put their
stuff in a moving van and take it to a storage location, where they
can redeem it, by paying the moving and storage, I think.
IN most places in the US and elsewhere, all they do is take your stuff
and put it on the sidewalk. Where it may be rained on, or people can
take it.
I was in Westminster Md, a town of maybe 5,000 near here, and
someone's stuff was in the corner of a parking lot of an apartment
building with 3 long police sawhorses around it, and a poster stapled
to each one that said something like, Police property, or Do not
remove. This was meant to keep other people than the tenant from
stealing the stuff, and that's better than most places, but I wouldn't
count on it.
== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 5:29 pm
From: mm
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:37:41 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
>This is true even for heat, but for air conditioning, people
>have almost no rights, partly because very few people will die without
>AC, but many die without heat, and partly because AC is relatively
>new, and didn't exist or wasn't very common when most tenants rights
>laws were written, several decades ago.
I don't want to give the impression that tenants have rights. IN some
places there are tenants rights laws, but in most places afaik, there
are none. And they only have the rights that are in the lease, and in
general contract law or common law. Plus even those rights can be
trampelled, especially if the landlord is wicked or if you tick off
the landlord.
== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 3:27 pm
From: carie_r@mail.com
On Jul 8, 4:27 pm, jJim McLaughlin <jimm.claugh...@comcast.com> wrote:
> cari...@mail.com wrote:
> > On Jul 7, 7:29 am, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>cari...@mail.com wrote:
>
> >>>It's been running non-stop since 12:00 PM, it's 7:46PM, and the temp
> >>>is still 83 deg, thermostat still at 80 deg. I would not have said
> >>>"hours" if it wasn't...
>
> >>Hmm. 12:00PM implies twelve hours past midday (p.m. = "post meridian" = past
> >>midday). That would be midnight. From there to 7:46PM means the ac has been
> >>on for almost twenty hours.
>
> >>Of course one could also say 12:00AM (a.m. = "ante meridian" = before
> >>midday) which would also be midnight.
>
> > Sorry, 12:00PM is noon. Have a High School diploma?? Is English your
> > native language??
>
> Lady, you are wrapped just a little bit too tght.
>
> And you are wrong about the use of 12:00 PM to universally mean Noon.
I didn't say universally, I said about 99.8% of the time.
== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 3:33 pm
From: carie_r@mail.com
On Jul 8, 4:32 pm, jJim McLaughlin <jimm.claugh...@comcast.com> wrote:
> cari...@mail.com wrote:
> > On Jul 7, 4:52 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:57:04 -0500, Logan Shaw
>
> >><lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >>>cari...@mail.com wrote:
>
> >>>>On Jul 7, 7:29 am, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>Hmm. 12:00PM implies twelve hours past midday (p.m. = "post meridian" = past
> >>>>>midday). That would be midnight. From there to 7:46PM means the ac has been
> >>>>>on for almost twenty hours.
>
> >>>>>Of course one could also say 12:00AM (a.m. = "ante meridian" = before
> >>>>>midday) which would also be midnight.
>
> >>>>Sorry, 12:00PM is noon. Have a High School diploma?? Is English your
> >>>>native language??
>
> >>>I have a high school (and college) diploma. Yet, I don't think everything
> >>>I heard in high school (or college) is automatically true. In particular,
> >>>2000 wasn't the first year of the new millenium, and 12:00 PM is not noon.
>
> >>>Here's an explanation of why:
>
> >>>
http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/general/misc.htm#Anchor-57026
>
> >>This is so on-point, I think it deserves to be quoted. Also, I don't
> >>think there can be copyright issues with government websites info, all
> >>of which should be in the public domain"
>
> >>Are noon and midnight 12 a.m. or 12 p.m.?
>
> >> This is a tricky question. The answer is that the terms 12 a.m.
> >>and 12 p.m. are wrong and should not be used.
>
> >> To illustrate this, consider that "a.m" and "p.m." are
> >>abbreviations for "ante meridiem" and "post meridiem." They mean
> >>"before noon" and "after noon," respectively. Noon is neither before
> >>or after noon; it is simply noon. Therefore, neither the "a.m." nor
> >>"p.m." designation is correct. On the other hand, midnight is both 12
> >>hours before noon and 12 hours after noon. Therefore, either 12 a.m.
> >>or 12 p.m. could work as a designation for midnight, but both would be
> >>ambiguous as to the date intended.
>
> >> When a specific date is important, and when we can use a 24-hour
> >>clock, we prefer to designate that moment not as 1200 midnight, but
> >>rather as 0000 if we are referring to the beginning of a given day (or
> >>date), or 2400 if we are designating the end of a given day (or date).
>
> >> To be certain of avoiding ambiguity (while still using a 12-hour
> >>clock), specify an event as beginning at 1201 a.m. or ending at 1159
> >>p.m., for example; this method is used by the railroads and airlines
> >>for schedules, and is often found on legal papers such as contracts
> >>and insurance policies.
>
> >>===> I've heard this before.
>
> >> If one is referring not to a specific date, but rather to
> >>several days, or days in general, use the terms noon and midnight
> >>instead of 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. For example, a bank might be open on
> >>Saturdays from 8 a.m. to noon. Or a grocery store might be open daily
> >>until midnight. The terms "12 noon" and "12 midnight" are also
> >>correct, though redundant.
>
> >>====> On July 3, I was a at a supermarket that had a temporary sign,
> >>and someone had written "Open July 4, 7AM to 12AM, and then it had a
> >>dark P written over the second A.
>
> >>>Note that this comes from NIST, the National Institute of Standards
> >>>and Technology, which is the US federal government agency responsible
> >>>for standardizing measurements.
>
> >>I liked it better when it was the National Bureau of Standards. They
> >>keep changing names and confusing me. (I'm just going to call the INS
> >>"la Migra" so I don't have to worry when it changes names.)
>
> >>>These are the people who operate
> >>>NIST-F1, the atomic clock which is the primary reference for timekeeping
> >>>in the United States, and one of the primary references worldwide.
>
> >>I'll tell you how I remmeber this, and how I think it arose. The
> >>moment of noon is neither before noon or after noon, but the
> >>59.999999999...... seconds after that are after noon, and yet still
> >>part of the minute that is 12:00. (and part of the second that is
> >>12:00:00.) So even though all but the tiniest bit of the minute is not
> >>noon, most of 12:00 noon is PM.
>
> >>> - Logan
>
> > I posted a detailed reply to the 12:00 thing elsewhere is this thread.
>
> Who cares what you posted. Is your AC working? If yes, shut up. If
> no, shut up and go hire a repair person.
>
> You are an annoying and self defeating fool.
Does your newsreader make you read everthing??? If you don't like the
thread why are you reading it?
== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 6:40 pm
From: Tekkie(r)
Jeffrey Lebowski wrote:
> <carie_r@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:1183784445.650453.88260@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 7, 12:47 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
>>> <cari...@mail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1183782133.844941.141670@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, cari...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" <Noon-...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> <cari...@mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally
> trained
>>> HVAC
>>>>>> technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that
>>> couldn't make
>>>>>> it doing anything else.
>>>>> What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
>>>>> certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't
> pay
>>>>> for.
>>>> Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI -
>>>> TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.
>>>> Comments?
>>> Yeah, you're not footing the bill.
>> If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is
>> not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm
>> going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to
>> keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous
>> electric bills if they won't fix it.
>>
>
> Yeah that's something usually written right into your contract.
>
> Now, define outragous.
>
> You fucking slut.
>
> --
Now this post I can agree with! Geez cross posting fundie idiots...
== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 6:41 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"
If the Toyota worked fine, for years. Now it's got a dirty air
filter, carbon on the sparks, and the ignition timing is off.
Does that mean the Toyota is under sized, and you need a
Suburban?
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46911bc9$0$20614$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
: carie_r@mail.com wrote:
:
: To make a car analogy, if I try to tow a large trailer up a
mountain
: with a Toyota Corolla and I fail, does this mean the Toyota
Corolla
: is broken? No, and if I start looking in the engine
compartment to
: see what's "wrong" with the Toyota's engine, I am looking in
the wrong
: place.
:
: The point is, perhaps the problem is that whoever designed the
apartment
: complex failed to choose appropriate A/C units given the size
of the
: apartments, the amount of insulation (which may be NONE), and
variables
: like that. And maybe they chose A/C units which are really
energy-
: inefficient. I don't know how common this type of bad
engineering is,
: but it seems like a plausible explanation for your situation.
:
: - Logan
== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 6:42 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"
It sure sounds like her apartment guy isn't an AC tech.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:-e-dnY4WxtADvAzbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
:
:
: Quit screwing with that loser, call a pro to fix it, pay the
man then deduct
: it from your rent.
:
:
== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 6:43 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"
The electricity savings may very well pay for the cost of the
repair guy. From what it sounds (from here) you need the outdoor
unit taken apart, and cleaned with chemicals that AC guys use.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
<carie_r@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1183919928.510548.114070@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
:
: I hear you can do that in Illinois, or that use to be the
case - maybe
: other places. The contract says no tenant repairs or
improvements
: will be deducted from the rent. Of course that wouldn't matter
if the
: contract was in IL because the law overrules it, but I don't
believe
: that's the case here.
:
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TOPIC: fridge use power saving
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2cc260293c68afaf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 4:40 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Each start takes about 0.3 Wh
>>> Where does this number come from?
>> A PE friend that I trust.
>> Do you have a more accurate number?
>No, but I'm not claiming to have one. :-)
Neither am I.
>> And how about the increased airflow and condensation
>> when the door is open, given more cold surfaces?
>
>Hmm, shouldn't it be decreased airflow since there is less air and
>more physical objects blocking its flow?
More, because there's more heat transfer surface to make a larger
inside-outside air temp diff and increase thermosyphoning airflow.
Water bottles could block airflow if they were packed solid like
a brick wall, but bottles aren't bricks.
Nick
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TOPIC: Headlight Flash Warning
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cbc76d4664793b6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:10 pm
From: Theresa Mesa
Have you heard of Snopes urban legends? You go to their site and see if
what you read is an urban legend, like this warning...then you only
have to warn be about things they should be warned about...
On 2007-02-13 03:48:38 -0800, "Mick" <abc@d.org> said:
> I don't know the validity of this warning but thought I'd pass it along to
> everyone.
>
>
>>>>>>> Subject: Sheriff's Warning--Important!
>>>>>>> Dodge County, Nebraska, Sheriff Warning
>>>>>>> This came from the sheriff's dept in Dodge County. This goes
>>>>>>> along with
>>>>>>> info. heard
>>>>>>> about this gang on Oprah. It is totally scary. Be Careful!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THIS INFORMATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!!!!!!
>>>>>>> DON'T! FLASH HEADLIGHTS AT A CAR WITH THEIR LIGHTS NOT ON!!
>>>>>>> Police officers working with the DARE program have issued this
>>>>>>> Warning:
>>>>>>> If you are driving after dark and see and oncoming car with no
>>>>>>> headlights on,
>>>>>>> DO NOT FLASH YOUR LIGHTS AT THEM! This is a common Bloods member
>>>>>>> "initiation game" that goes like this:
>>>>>>> The new gang member under initiation drives along with no
>>>>>>> Headlights on,
>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>> first car to flash their headlights at him is now his "target."
>>>>>>> He is
>>>>>>> now required to
>>>>>>> turn around and chase that car; then shoot and kill every
>>>>>>> individual in
>>>>>>> the vehicle in
>>>>>>> order to complete his initiation requirements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Police Departments across the nation are being warned.
>>>>>>> Their intent is to have all the new bloods nationwide drive
>>>>>>> around on
>>>>>>> Friday and
>>>>>>> Saturday nights with their headlights off. In order to be
>>>>>>> accepted into
>>>>>>> the gang, they
>>>>>>> have to shoot and kill all individuals in the first auto that
>>>>>>> does a
>>>>>>> courtesy flash to
>>>>>>> warn them that their lights are off.
>>>>>>> Please forward this message to all your friends and family
>>>>>>> members to
>>>>>>> inform them
>>>>>>> about this initiation ritual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda M. Koenigs
>>>>>>> Jefferson State Public Defender's Office
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TOPIC: Cell phone batteries made in China may explode, regulators say
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/acd0e3880fbf9ca7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 2:24 pm
From: Al Bundy
On Jul 8, 10:31 am, sagawaeasdgsdaa...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The Oregonian
> July 08, 2007
>
> Cell phone batteries made in China may explode, regulators say
> Defective products - Motorola and Nokia deny links to the problem
> batteries
> DAVID BARBOZA
>
> After concerns over pet food, toothpaste, seafood and defective tires,
> China may now have to cope with another consumer product disaster:
> exploding mobile phone batteries.
>
> Chinese regulators in southern Guangdong province, one of the world's
> biggest electronics manufacturing centers, said this week that they
> had found Motorola and Nokia mobile phone batteries that failed safety
> tests and were prone to explode under certain conditions.
>
> The batteries were said to be manufactured by Motorola and Sanyo of
> Japan's Beijing operation, and were being distributed by companies
> based in Guangdong province, which is near Hong Kong and is one of
> China's biggest export centers.
>
> It is unclear whether any of the substandard and hazardous batteries
> entered the export market.
>
> The announcement came just a day after China's state-controlled news
> media reported that in June a 22-year-old man in western China was
> killed after his Motorola cell phone exploded in his shirt pocket.
>
> The man was reportedly a welder and the heat associated with the job
> may have touched off the explosion.
>
> Motorola and Nokia, two of the world's biggest mobile phone makers,
> immediately denied links to the distributors of the problem batteries,
> suggesting they were counterfeit.
>
> "All the batteries tested were not Motorola genuine batteries," said
> Yang Bo-ning, a spokesman for Motorola in Beijing. "They were fakes.
> Those companies are not our suppliers."
>
> Nokia said it was investigating the case and trying to determine
> whether any of the substandard batteries affected Nokia phones.
>
> Nokia said it doesn't manufacture batteries in China and has no
> business ties with the Chinese distributors named in the safety
> tests.
>
> "We are confident this is a counterfeit product," said Eija-Riitta
> Huovinen, a Nokia spokeswoman in Finland.
>
> But the discovery of the exploding batteries is already threatening to
> turn into another consumer product nightmare, and helping fuel
> mounting international concerns about the quality and safety of goods
> being made in China.
>
> Exports of tainted pet food ingredients earlier this year triggered
> one of the biggest pet food recalls in U.S. history, possibly killing
> or injuring as many as 4,000 cats and dogs, according to American
> regulators.
>
> Cough medicine laced with a mislabeled industrial chemical from China
> called diethylene glycol may have killed as many as 100 people in the
> Dominican Republic last year.
>
> And a few weeks ago, an American company recalled about 450,000
> Chinese-made tires because they did not contain a key safety feature,
> which could prevent tire treads from splitting and falling apart.
>
> The recall occurred after a lawsuit blamed the Chinese-made tires for
> an accident that resulted in the death of two people in the United
> States.
Perhaps the batteries were merely mislabeled fireworks! It was all a
misunderstanding.
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TOPIC: Get-together/club/course about frugal living in Southampton
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1fc5c09314a14645?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:56 pm
From: Traveller
Hi all frugal persons,
I am looking for a get-together group or club or frugal course to
exchange ideas and learn something more about how to avoid pollute the
earth and being consumeristic.
I live in Southampton (Hampshire).
Anyone knows a venue where people meet to discuss about this?
Anyone is interested to start a group?
Many thanks.
I am also a beginner sewer and a crocheter, but this is another
subject. :-P
Thanks for any reply.
Cheers,
Stef.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 6:17 pm
From: "Don K"
"Traveller" <newspostster@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183931782.659613.291600@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> I am also a beginner sewer and a crocheter, but this is another
> subject. :-P
Crotchety or not, if my wife began smelling like a sewer, I'd have
that talk with her about hygiene. ;-)
Don
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 8:45 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Traveller <newspostster@gmail.com> wrote
> Hi all frugal persons,
Only a microscopic subset of all frugal persons read this newsgroup...
> I am looking for a get-together group or club or frugal course to exchange
> ideas and learn something more about how to avoid pollute the earth
The only way to avoid pollute the earth is to kill yourself thoughtfully.
> and being consumeristic.
No such animal.
> I live in Southampton (Hampshire).
Your problem.
> Anyone knows a venue where people meet to discuss about this?
Yes.
> Anyone is interested to start a group?
Yes.
> Many thanks.
For what >
> I am also a beginner sewer
Is that in the sense of being only a small sewer with not
much shit in it yet, or at the start of a much bigger sewer ?
> and a crocheter, but this is another subject. :-P
Niether of which are particularly frugal today.
> Thanks for any reply.
Even one that orders you to shove your head up a dead bear's arse ?
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