Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 8 topics

Sunday, July 8, 2007

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TOPIC: Wholesale Mobile Phones Nokia http://www.new-nikeshoes.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:10 am
From: zhurenfu888@hotmail.com

hi
We have all models of nokia
NOKIA N95 $300
NOKIA N93 $250
NOKIA N92 $230
NOKIA N91 $220
NOKIA N80 $210
NOKIA N90 $220
Nokia N70 $210
NOKIA N73 $230
NOKIA 7600 (UNLOCK) $210
Nokia 8800 Sirocco Gold Edtion -$290
Nokia 8800 Sirocco Black$290

(1).all products are all original and new
(2).they have 1year international warranty.
(3).free shipping include ems, tnt, dhl, ups. you may choose one kind
(4).deliver time is in 7 days to get your door
We insist the principia: Prestige first,high-quality,competitive
price,
best services,and timely delivery.
Website: http://www.new-nikeshoes.com

msn: zhushao999@hotmail.com
Hong-da Co., Ltd.

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TOPIC: Wholesale NIKE .AF1.TN.Jordan.shoes http://www.new-nikeshoes.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b2aaf6e8bff02a9f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:10 am
From: zhurenfu888@hotmail.com

hi
We are wholesaler of Nike Jordan and Other Shoes in China. We are big
Shoes Manufacturer in China. We supply many kinds of Shoes, such as
Nike Shoes, Jordan 1-22, Air Jordan, AF1, DUNK, Air max series etc.
Most of them are in stock and can be supplied surely on time. All
these shoes are packed with original-boxes and cards. So we can offer
series of brand Nike shoe with the lowest price and high quality, We
are looking forward to doing business with you

Very fast and safety delivery by TNT, UPS, DHL OR EMS, we can delivery
within 24 hours upon receiving your payment. It is very safe door to
door service, never get problems with customs.

There are various and latest styles for your choice in our website.
Our main markets are the USA, the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Greece,
Jordan, Australia, Canada,Sweden, and many other countries in Europe
and the Middle East regions.

We insist the principia: Prestige first,high-quality,competitive
price,
best services,and timely delivery.
Website: http://www.new-nikeshoes.com

msn: zhushao999@hotmail.com
Hong-da Co., Ltd.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 4:27 pm
From: George Grapman

Sounds great, especially since the only contact details are yahoo and
hotmail addresses.

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TOPIC: A/C working properly? Cost -> lower temp?
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:17 am
From: carie_r@mail.com

On Jul 7, 5:42 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:27:18 -0700, cari...@mail.com wrote:
> >On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, cari...@mail.com wrote:
...
>
> >He said it had to run for a while to get to that temp. (Recall, he
> >just asked why I thought is should be 20 deg.)
>
> He asked because curious-type repairmen are always curious when a
> customer says something about a repair, right or wrong.
>
> And of course it does have to run for a while to get to that temp. He
> may have thought you had had it running.
>

He wasn't curious, he didn't know what he was doing. He was ready to
leave after 2 minutes, having checked to places with a probe. After I
went in to a longer explaination that I put here about why it should
be 20 deg different, he started looking at the unit (inside) again,
and scratching his head, without actually doing that. He also looked
surprised when I was 18 deg different when he checked it again. - And
he knew the A/C had been off, because I told him, and he turned it on.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:36 am
From: carie_r@mail.com

On Jul 7, 5:42 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:27:18 -0700, cari...@mail.com wrote:
> >On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, cari...@mail.com wrote:
...
>
> >asked if he had a contractor HVAC license as he was leaving. He said
> >yes. I said I'd come down with him and write the number down.
>
> For the next time, espeically a more important situation, you have to
> have the pencil ready, because if you give someone time to think, they
> want to "check with their lawyer". That's why reporters iiuc sometimes
> try to surprise the people they interview.

I tried handing him a notebook and pen before I said I'd follow him to
his truck, and he just ignored that, but got very nervous. I then said
I'd go down with him - "You have it in your truck? I'll just go down
with you and write it down." When we got there he said he wouldn't
give it to me. I don't think he has any contractors license at all.
Of course you don't know all those details, because I abreviated down
to just the relevant facts, but I do appreciate the feedback.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:41 am
From: carie_r@mail.com

On Jul 7, 5:42 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:27:18 -0700, cari...@mail.com wrote:
> >On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, cari...@mail.com wrote:
...
> > "Why do you think it should be 20 deg
> >different?" he says. I told him that's what I found on the internet.
> >He checked more wires with his probe for another 5 minutes, then
> >checked the temperature again. It now said 64 deg (18 deg different).
>
> Now the thing is working! Darn. It's much much harder to fix most
> things when they are working right. Even things that only work
> intermittently. You pretty much have to catch it when it's not
> working to be able to fix many things.
>

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? He didn't adjust
anything, he was just using something that looked like a voltmeter
(and scratching his head, without actually doing that). Telling him
the A/C couldn't get the apt down below 83 deg all day didn't mean
anything to him.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 12:15 pm
From: Logan Shaw

carie_r@mail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 5:42 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:27:18 -0700, cari...@mail.com wrote:

>>> "Why do you think it should be 20 deg
>>> different?" he says. I told him that's what I found on the internet.
>>> He checked more wires with his probe for another 5 minutes, then
>>> checked the temperature again. It now said 64 deg (18 deg different).

>> Now the thing is working! Darn. It's much much harder to fix most
>> things when they are working right.

> I'm not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? He didn't adjust
> anything, he was just using something that looked like a voltmeter
> (and scratching his head, without actually doing that). Telling him
> the A/C couldn't get the apt down below 83 deg all day didn't mean
> anything to him.

The function of the A/C unit *itself* is to pump out air that's about
15F to 20F colder than the air that comes in (or actually, whatever
temperature difference is in its specifications). If it's doing that,
then *it* is working.

Now, in a larger context, the purpose of the A/C unit within your
actual apartment unit is to achieve a comfortable indoor temperature.
It is possible that the A/C unit is working perfectly according to its
specs but can't do that. In that case, the problem might be that the
A/C unit is simply undersized for the load it's having to handle.
That doesn't mean the A/C unit is broken. It means that you have the
wrong A/C unit. *If* this is the case, it cannot be fixed by tinkering
with the A/C unit.

To make a car analogy, if I try to tow a large trailer up a mountain
with a Toyota Corolla and I fail, does this mean the Toyota Corolla
is broken? No, and if I start looking in the engine compartment to
see what's "wrong" with the Toyota's engine, I am looking in the wrong
place.

The point is, perhaps the problem is that whoever designed the apartment
complex failed to choose appropriate A/C units given the size of the
apartments, the amount of insulation (which may be NONE), and variables
like that. And maybe they chose A/C units which are really energy-
inefficient. I don't know how common this type of bad engineering is,
but it seems like a plausible explanation for your situation.

- Logan

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 12:40 pm
From: "Noon-Air"

<carie_r@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1183912915.221399.264580@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 7, 5:42 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:27:18 -0700, cari...@mail.com wrote:
>> >On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, cari...@mail.com wrote:
> ...
>> > "Why do you think it should be 20 deg
>> >different?" he says. I told him that's what I found on the internet.
>> >He checked more wires with his probe for another 5 minutes, then
>> >checked the temperature again. It now said 64 deg (18 deg different).
>>
>> Now the thing is working! Darn. It's much much harder to fix most
>> things when they are working right. Even things that only work
>> intermittently. You pretty much have to catch it when it's not
>> working to be able to fix many things.
>>
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? He didn't adjust
> anything, he was just using something that looked like a voltmeter
> (and scratching his head, without actually doing that). Telling him
> the A/C couldn't get the apt down below 83 deg all day didn't mean
> anything to him.

Quit screwing with that loser, call a pro to fix it, pay the man then deduct
it from your rent.

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 11:38 am
From: carie_r@mail.com

On Jul 8, 1:40 pm, "Noon-Air" <Noon-...@comcast.net> wrote:
> <cari...@mail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1183912915.221399.264580@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 5:42 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:27:18 -0700, cari...@mail.com wrote:
> >> >On Jul 6, 7:24 pm, cari...@mail.com wrote:
> > ...
> >> > "Why do you think it should be 20 deg
> >> >different?" he says. I told him that's what I found on the internet.
> >> >He checked more wires with his probe for another 5 minutes, then
> >> >checked the temperature again. It now said 64 deg (18 deg different).
>
> >> Now the thing is working! Darn. It's much much harder to fix most
> >> things when they are working right. Even things that only work
> >> intermittently. You pretty much have to catch it when it's not
> >> working to be able to fix many things.
>
> > I'm not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? He didn't adjust
> > anything, he was just using something that looked like a voltmeter
> > (and scratching his head, without actually doing that). Telling him
> > the A/C couldn't get the apt down below 83 deg all day didn't mean
> > anything to him.
>
> Quit screwing with that loser, call a pro to fix it, pay the man then deduct
> it from your rent.

I hear you can do that in Illinois, or that use to be the case - maybe
other places. The contract says no tenant repairs or improvements
will be deducted from the rent. Of course that wouldn't matter if the
contract was in IL because the law overrules it, but I don't believe
that's the case here.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 11:45 am
From: carie_r@mail.com

On Jul 8, 1:15 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> cari...@mail.com wrote:
> > On Jul 7, 5:42 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:27:18 -0700, cari...@mail.com wrote:
> >>> "Why do you think it should be 20 deg
> >>> different?" he says. I told him that's what I found on the internet.
> >>> He checked more wires with his probe for another 5 minutes, then
> >>> checked the temperature again. It now said 64 deg (18 deg different).
> >> Now the thing is working! Darn. It's much much harder to fix most
> >> things when they are working right.
> > I'm not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? He didn't adjust
> > anything, he was just using something that looked like a voltmeter
> > (and scratching his head, without actually doing that). Telling him
> > the A/C couldn't get the apt down below 83 deg all day didn't mean
> > anything to him.
>
> The function of the A/C unit *itself* is to pump out air that's about
> 15F to 20F colder than the air that comes in (or actually, whatever
> temperature difference is in its specifications). If it's doing that,
> then *it* is working.
>
> Now, in a larger context, the purpose of the A/C unit within your
> actual apartment unit is to achieve a comfortable indoor temperature.
> It is possible that the A/C unit is working perfectly according to its
> specs but can't do that. In that case, the problem might be that the
> A/C unit is simply undersized for the load it's having to handle.
> That doesn't mean the A/C unit is broken. It means that you have the
> wrong A/C unit. *If* this is the case, it cannot be fixed by tinkering
> with the A/C unit.
>
> To make a car analogy, if I try to tow a large trailer up a mountain
> with a Toyota Corolla and I fail, does this mean the Toyota Corolla
> is broken? No, and if I start looking in the engine compartment to
> see what's "wrong" with the Toyota's engine, I am looking in the wrong
> place.
>
> The point is, perhaps the problem is that whoever designed the apartment
> complex failed to choose appropriate A/C units given the size of the
> apartments, the amount of insulation (which may be NONE), and variables
> like that. And maybe they chose A/C units which are really energy-
> inefficient. I don't know how common this type of bad engineering is,
> but it seems like a plausible explanation for your situation.
>
> - Logan

I've been here for over a year and a half, and never had an electric
bill like that, the A/C has never ran continously like it is, and I
never had any problems getting the temp down to 76 deg.

The unit couldn't get the temperature below 83 the other day, when the
temperature outside was ONLY 90 deg with 37% humidity.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 2:13 pm
From: "HeyBub"

carie_r@mail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:08 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Smitty Two wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, 12:00 p.m. *is* noon.
>>
>> Only if you define twelve hours after the sun is at its highest
>> point to be noon.
>
> Because more than 1 person is disputing whether 12:00 PM is noon, I
> decided to do some looking.
>
> TvGuide.com uses it.
> So does DHL, a major delivery compay. They have a service called ""DHL
> Next Day 12:00pm"
> Fedex uses it too (search Google: "12:00 pm" site:fedex.com )
> Then there's the loads of radio and TV stations that use it
> (schedules).
> Here's one: The TV series "24" - where each episode covers one hour.
>

http://www.aetv.com/24/24_episode_guide.jsp?episode=111985
>
> Better idea. Who on Google uses "12:00 PM noon" as opposed to "12:00
> AM noon?" -The searches below also match with "p.m." and "(noon)",
> the search is for a string, not words anywhere in a document.
> "12:00 PM noon" matches "about 195,000" documents on Google
> "12:00PM noon" matches "about 32,700"
> "12:00 AM noon" matches about 436
> "12:00AM noon" matches about 49
> So:
> Total documents using "12:00pm noon" or "12:00 pm noon" = 227,700 /
> 228,185 = 99.8%
> Total documents using "12:00am noon" or "12:00 am noon" = 485 /
> 228,185 = 0.2%
>
> So (roughly) 2 people in 1000 think that 12:00am means noon. (The
> margin of error with this is not significant enough to matter.)
>
> That should settle this, but of course it won't...
>
> Ever watch a digital watch change from 11:59:59 AM to 12:00:00 PM?
>
> Or how about this - what is 3-2? Of course it is 1. What I mean is
> that at 12:00:00PM half the day has already, at that instant, passed,
> and it is now the beginning of the second half of the day.
>
> I could care less what some guy says on some government website. If we
> lived in a universe where time could move backwards, then that
> discussion
> would make more sense.

But you hold that FedEx, a 24!, and, most importantly, TV Guide are somehow
kept under glass at the National Bureau of Standards as exemplars of
institutional knowledge?

Your observations are, however, excellent! I blame the school systems. Heck,
in my state 60% of high school biology teachers (according to a recent
survey) believed that humans and dinosaurs were contemporaries!

Science and standards are not subject to majority vote (except in the case
of global warming), so whatever "votes" you discover are meaningless. Well,
there is obviously a nuggest of truth in the numbers, but that nugget has
nothing to do with the subject matter.

Your searches (12:00AM noon, et al) were wrong. There is no such thing in
the real world as "12:00AM noon." 12:00 a.m and noon are contradictory -
they cannot both exist at the same time. Likewise "12:00 p.m. and noon" are
also mutually exclusive.

But because something cannot exist does not mean you won't find Google
references. Heck "living+dead" resulted in almost 90 million hits,
"black+white" yields almost 400 million events, "catholic+atheist" shows
over 2 million instances!

An appeal to Google as an arbiter of physical standards is not the epitome
of scientific rigor.

Ignorance can be fixed. It's knowing something that's wrong that's a shame.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 2:18 pm
From: "HeyBub"

Logan Shaw wrote:
>
> Now, in a larger context, the purpose of the A/C unit within your
> actual apartment unit is to achieve a comfortable indoor temperature.
> It is possible that the A/C unit is working perfectly according to its
> specs but can't do that. In that case, the problem might be that the
> A/C unit is simply undersized for the load it's having to handle.
> That doesn't mean the A/C unit is broken. It means that you have the
> wrong A/C unit. *If* this is the case, it cannot be fixed by
> tinkering with the A/C unit.

It could be that when she steps into the apartment, that something
generating more heat than the A/C unit can counter also simultaneously
appears in the living area?

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 2:28 pm
From: "Noon-Air"

> I've been here for over a year and a half, and never had an electric
> bill like that, the A/C has never ran continously like it is, and I
> never had any problems getting the temp down to 76 deg.
>
> The unit couldn't get the temperature below 83 the other day, when the
> temperature outside was ONLY 90 deg with 37% humidity.
>

Whining about it on here won't get it fixed, calling your local housing
authority might, and keep jumping on the landlord about his handyman doesn't
know shit about HVAC, get a pro out there, will. Just flat tell the SOB,
that he can send out a pro, and get it done right, or you will worry the
stew out of him. There is nothing that says you can't call him on the phone
dozens of times a day, or show up on his door step, and camp out until he
does something. How many other tenents are having issues?? Maybe a call to
your local TV station news room??

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 12:42 pm
From: Smitty Two

someone wrote:

> keep jumping on the landlord

> Just flat tell the SOB

> call him on the phone dozens of times a day

Boy, this adversarial relationship between tenant and landlord (neighbor
and neighbor, boss and employee, contractor and homeowner, etc. ad
infinitum) that keeps getting advocated really irritates the shit out of
me. I'm a tenant and a landlord, and I have fantastic, cooperative,
sane, mutually beneficial relationships with the other party in both
circumstances. Luck? No. Intention.

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TOPIC: Supreme Court reverses century-old ban on price fixing, inviting
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 12:36 pm
From: Les Cargill

Don Klipstein wrote:
<snip>
>
> As has been explained to me, the free market is supposed to be good due
> to competition.
>

That's the kindergarten version of it. The free market *as opposed to
royal charter corporation monopolies* is better because it
exhibits less rent seeking. Smith's Hand was about the market being
a more effective signalling mechanism than centrally controlled
"royal" charters.

Whether or not IP law is good or bad depends on a dynamic
balance of the rent seeking part of it versus the "stimulates
innovation" part of it.

> It appears to me counter to that for recent-past-winners to use bullying
> tactics rather than delivering more for less, such as the "Microsoft Tax"
> that Microsoft imposed upon computer sellers dealing with them after they
> gained upon an Apple mistake in the 1980's.
>

I think that viewing a $3k (in 1983 dollars ) PC versus a $400-today
Best Buy Special in terms of gained power and function tells the tale.
The Microsoft Tax was probably worth it.

Oddly enough, this was largely driven by people doing a
Twister game *around* IP law. But it would not have much happened
without a Windows product as a standardizer.

> This planet's history of prosperous democracies has fairly notably a
> "balancing act" between "laissez faire" and "forcing the big players to
> play fair". I see lack of nations improving upon that!
>

We increasingly see the big players declining to compete and
instead, whinge to Gummint about "fairness". That's meeting
rent-seeking with rent-seeking.

> I surely think non-government entities should have less right than a
> democratically-elected government has to tell me what I can and cannot do
> with my own property, especially as in any upper or lower limits of
> reselling price or advertising of reselling price!
>

And that is fine, so long as you do not beleive
that ordinary people are capable of entering into contracts.

> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

--
Les Cargill

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 5:11 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Larry Bud <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote
> bearc...@cruller.invalid wrote
>> SpammersDie <x...@xx.xx> wrote

>>> The price of your freedom to do as you please with your
>>> property is my freedom to do as I please with my property.

>>> Which, in this case, includes my freedom not to sell you my
>>> property unless you sign a separate agreement not to resell
>>> said property below a floor price.

>>> You are, of course, free to seek an alternate supplier whose asking
>>> price does not include that agreement. Free in the legal sense,
>>> anyway. There's no guarantee that such a supplier will exist.

>> Which of course paves the way for monopolies. Great idea.
>> Lousy use of tax dollars. Burn monopolies and execute their leaders.

> So now you want government to force people to manufacture
> and sell their product according to your terms?

Nope, just stop them being able to control the retail price.

> You know what eventually happens? People will say
> "fuck this" and stop manufacturing altogether.

How odd that that never happened with every single modern first
world country that chose to outlaw retail price maintenance.

> Who's stopping you from becoming a supplier and filling the demand?

> Monopolies can ONLY exist when Government gets
> involved and artificially manipulates the market.

Pig ignorant lie. Have a look at the history of Standard Oil etc.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 5:14 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Larry Bud <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> They should be allowed to because, with free enterprise, you
>>>>> should be allowed to conjure up whatever contract you want,
>>>>> regardless of how ridiculous it might seem to others. Whether or
>>>>> not someone agrees to that contract will depend on the free
>>>>> market.
>>
>>>> Apparently a libertarian does not have a problem with someone
>>>> telling me what I can do with my property as long as that someone
>>>> is not the government.
>>
>>> As a retailer, you're the one who freely entered into a contract
>>> with the OEM that deemed how the product is to be sold. If you
>>> didn't want to follow those terms, perhaps you shouldn't have
>>> signed on the dotted line.
>>
>>> Free entered into contracts are not force. Laws that the government
>>> passes regulating commerce is.
>>
>> I find complete lack of government interference to be a "throw
>> them to the wolves" approach that allows those most willing and able
>> to be bullies to make the rules by having the gold.
>
> IOW, "Almighty government, please, PROTECT ME FROM MYSELF!"
>
> I still find it incredible that allowing people to make decisions on
> their own is viewed by some as something that can't possibly be
> allowed to happen, that they somehow know better than the person
> making that decision.

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

The problem arises when every single manufacturer attempts to enforce the retail
price at which their goods can be sold, so the normal retailer has no choice on that.

You're so stupid that you cant manage to grasp the basics like that.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 5:15 am
From: "Rod Speed"

clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
> bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
>
>> In article <nGKji.8354$aP2.550@newsfe16.lga>,
>> clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No it isn't. Once you have sold something, you no longer own it.
>>>> You surrender your rights over it, except through force, and I
>>>> mean FORCE of legislation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Since when? Evidently you've never purchased any software (think
>>> Micro$oft).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did I mention "COPYRIGHT" laws? Maybe you missed that.
>>
>> I have no software on any of my computers that is not bought and paid
>> for, btw.
>>
>>
> But you can not legally sell it or use it on another computer, even
> though you bought / paid for it.
> (You don't own that software that you "bought".)

Thats just plain wrong in any modern first world country.

Just because MS claims that, doesnt make it legally accurate.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 11:49 am
From: Logan Shaw

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>>> throwitout <throwitout@dodgeit.com> wrote:
>>>> Fridge compressors run more efficiently if run for
>>>> longer intervals than shorter ones.
>>> Each start takes about 0.3 Wh
>> Where does this number come from?
>
> A PE friend that I trust.

> Do you have a more accurate number?

No, but I'm not claiming to have one. :-)

> And how about the increased airflow and condensation
> when the door is open, given more cold surfaces?

Hmm, shouldn't it be decreased airflow since there is less
air and more physical objects blocking its flow? The
condensation question is trickier. I agree there are more
surfaces for condensation to collect on, but if a given volume
of (warmer, moister) air comes in, shouldn't there be a
fixed amount of condensation since there is a fixed amount
of moisture? It seems like the condensation is the same,
it would just be spread out over a larger or smaller surface.

- Logan

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TOPIC: Frugal living & tourism in Paris, France
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9effe78ed612ad85?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 4:46 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html

> Some videos of Paris:
> http://zsmith.org

Show us the riots and cars being torched.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:03 pm
From: Magda <12@34.56>

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:46:35 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
... > http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html

...
... > Some videos of Paris:
... > http://zsmith.org

...
... Show us the riots and cars being torched.

Their prez is better than your prez.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 5:34 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Magda <12@34.56> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html

>>> Some videos of Paris:
>>> http://zsmith.org

>> Show us the riots and cars being torched.

> Their prez is better than your prez.

I aint gotta prez, stupid.

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TOPIC: Frugal living in the Philadelphia region
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/695a4f4cea9d3c14?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 4:47 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Loomer <sonoflavadome@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1183895008.532817.14870@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> A simple guide:
>>

http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/frugal-philly.html
>>
>
> They forgot one.
> Drinking your own urine.
> Thirst quenching, delicious, and money saving!

Look what that did to Gandhi.

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TOPIC: Best electric fan for home?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ef11c375f0215275?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 3:00 pm
From: Rick

Zilbandy wrote:
>
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:22:13 -0500, cleanfan00112@nospam.com wrote:
>
> >I just started shopping for a good, powerful, electric fan, as electricity
> >costs in the northeastern part of the US are wild.
>
> Have you given any thought to a good ceiling fan? We just put one in
> living room and the bedroom and I don't know why we didn't do this
> years ago.
>
> --
> Zilbandy

They are good but it's not an option for everyone, like people who rent.
My landlord would throw a fit if something like a ceiling fan was
installed. (The lease prohibits modifications like this of any kind.)
And in my apartment there are no overhead fixtures for the installation
in the rooms where I'd want one. Which would mean running a swag
chain/AC cord across the ceiling and down the wall to power it. GACK!

Rick

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 3:20 pm
From: "Melissa"

<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
news:f6qcmo$rm7@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
> Melissa <nospam@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >We are in the process of removing every ceiling fan from our house. I
can't
> >stand them running above my head, they make me dizzy.
>
> Have you tried a tinfoil hat? :-)
>
> Nick
>

Don't be dumb...I have vertigo, it's as simple as that.

Melissa

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