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TOPIC: Drive your car to death, save $31,000
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 8 2007 8:17 pm
From: Gordon
SQ <onestatusquo@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1189225873.713971.231390@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> Comments?
> It seems to me that driving a car to 225,000 miles or buying a new one
> every
> year are two extremes? Maybe there is an optimum mileage/age for
> upgrade?
>
> If you are DIY type, I can see how taking a car to 200K miles and
> beyond
> is not an issue...
>
>
It can be done. I took a '89 Mazda 626 to 195,000 before my
wife burned out the clutch. It could have gone much further.
I think I saved even more money because I bought it 3 years old.
And that's one idea for saving money on cars. A new car looses
30-50% of it's value in the first 3 years. After that it looses
less than 10% of it's value per year. So by buying a three year
old car you are letting someone else take the sucker punch of the
highest loss of value.
Now, there are those who say you should buy a three year old car
and replace it every year. BUt how much wear and tear can you put
on a car in one year?
So I guess the best idea is to buy a 3 to 5 year old car. Take care
of it to the best of your abilities. When it starts becoming unrelyable,
replace it.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 8 2007 9:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> SQ <onestatusquo@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1189225873.713971.231390@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> Comments?
>> It seems to me that driving a car to 225,000 miles or buying a new
>> one every
>> year are two extremes? Maybe there is an optimum mileage/age for
>> upgrade?
>>
>> If you are DIY type, I can see how taking a car to 200K miles and
>> beyond
>> is not an issue...
>>
>>
> It can be done. I took a '89 Mazda 626 to 195,000 before my
> wife burned out the clutch. It could have gone much further.
> I think I saved even more money because I bought it 3 years old.
>
> And that's one idea for saving money on cars. A new car looses
> 30-50% of it's value in the first 3 years. After that it looses
> less than 10% of it's value per year. So by buying a three year
> old car you are letting someone else take the sucker punch of the
> highest loss of value.
>
> Now, there are those who say you should buy a three year old car
> and replace it every year. BUt how much wear and tear can you put
> on a car in one year?
>
> So I guess the best idea is to buy a 3 to 5 year old car. Take care
> of it to the best of your abilities. When it starts becoming
> unrelyable, replace it.
Depends on how long you keep it. I kept my last one for 30+ years
and the saving on not buying it new is pretty trivial with that sort of
time, and you know that the car hasnt been abused if you buy it new.
I replaced it with another new one with a 5 year warranty,
unlimited miles as far as my use is concerned, just for the
effortless 5 years and not having to fart around having it
tested for registration etc. My state has some pretty rigorous
registration checks which are a bit of a nuisance with older cars.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 8 2007 10:25 pm
From: SQ
I heard that a frugal vehicle should cost $1,000 per year
not counting regular maintenance such as brakes and oil.
It's much easier to make a $5K vehicle last 5 years vs.
a $22K vehicle last 22 years.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 8 2007 10:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
SQ <onestatusquo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I heard that a frugal vehicle should cost $1,000 per year
> not counting regular maintenance such as brakes and oil.
Mine didnt cost anything like that in the last 90% of the 30+ years.
Not even $200.
> It's much easier to make a $5K vehicle last 5 years vs. a $22K vehicle last 22 years.
Not if you pick the $22K vehicle properly and I paid a lot less than that for its replacement too.
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TOPIC: When news media whine about 'labor shortages' it simply means employers
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 8 2007 8:17 pm
From: "John A. Weeks III"
In article <5kh059F3jg2vU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> John A. Weeks III <john@johnweeks.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >>> LOL! Unless the qualifications are EXTREMELY narrow or the
> >>> job opening not publicized, that simply does not ever happen.
>
> >> Corse it does, we have seen some employers desperate to get
> >> qualified staff, who dont get even a single applicant in response
> >> to their national ads, jobs as basic as truck driving etc.
>
> > If you are not getting applicants in this market,
> > then you are doing something very wrong.
>
> Or the economy is booming.
At least maybe where you are located. Here in the Twin Cities,
things are starting to look like the dust bowl years. We have
lost 50% of our high tech jobs since the year 2000, with entire
segments such as contract manufacturing evaporating, and
information technology jobs being moved overseas.
> > You either are not putting the ads in the right place, you
> > are putting in requirements that are not needed, you are
> > paying far under market, or your company has such a bad
> > reputation that people don't want to work there. Which is it?
>
> Usual mindlessly silly binary drivel.
>
> The real reason is that some of our areas have an unemployment
> rate of 1.x% and a desperate shortage of adequate accomodation
> and plenty arent interested in 'living' in tents and trailers for long.
Why not post where you are located? I'd live in an RV if I could
have my 1999 and year 2000 level income again. In fact, I'd live
in an RV to get half of what I was earning back then. Or why
doesn't your company recruit in places where there are so many
excess workers like Minneapolis and Detroit? Or even better,
given that over 60% of office space is vacant in downtown St. Paul,
why not move some of your operations to the twin cities. You can
get cheap class A and class B office space, workers standing in
line waiting for jobs, and the government will toss in incentives
in both cash and tax avoidance to help you move.
-john-
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 8 2007 9:03 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
John A. Weeks III <john@johnweeks.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> John A. Weeks III <john@johnweeks.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> LOL! Unless the qualifications are EXTREMELY narrow or the
>>>>> job opening not publicized, that simply does not ever happen.
>>>> Corse it does, we have seen some employers desperate to get
>>>> qualified staff, who dont get even a single applicant in response
>>>> to their national ads, jobs as basic as truck driving etc.
>>> If you are not getting applicants in this market,
>>> then you are doing something very wrong.
>> Or the economy is booming.
> At least maybe where you are located.
No maybe about it.
> Here in the Twin Cities, things are starting to look like the dust
> bowl years. We have lost 50% of our high tech jobs since the
> year 2000, with entire segments such as contract manufacturing
> evaporating, and information technology jobs being moved overseas.
Irrelevant to particular fields like truck driving etc etc etc.
>>> You either are not putting the ads in the right place, you
>>> are putting in requirements that are not needed, you are
>>> paying far under market, or your company has such a bad
>>> reputation that people don't want to work there. Which is it?
>> Usual mindlessly silly binary drivel.
>> The real reason is that some of our areas have an unemployment
>> rate of 1.x% and a desperate shortage of adequate accomodation
>> and plenty arent interested in 'living' in tents and trailers for long.
> Why not post where you are located?
Irrelevant to that stupid claim in the subject line that is being discussed.
> I'd live in an RV if I could have my 1999 and year 2000 level income again.
That isnt necessarily that viable if you have kids.
> In fact, I'd live in an RV to get half of what I was earning back then.
Yep, some do just that, and plenty dont, which is what produces the
dearth of applicants for particular jobs being advertised at times.
> Or why doesn't your company recruit in places where there
> are so many excess workers like Minneapolis and Detroit?
I never said a word about my company and that is precisely
what is done, in places which have many more excess
workers than those places too, outside the country.
They're so desperate for applicant they they are happy to pay their air fares etc.
> Or even better, given that over 60% of office space is vacant in downtown
> St. Paul, why not move some of your operations to the twin cities.
Because these are usually operations that cant move.
> You can get cheap class A and class B office space, workers
> standing in line waiting for jobs, and the government will toss in
> incentives in both cash and tax avoidance to help you move.
Useless if you're a mining operation that needs apes to drive haulpaks etc.
In spades when you need apes to drive by far
the biggest iron ore trains in the entire world.
You've got your parochial blinkers on, again.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 8 2007 9:29 pm
From: onionhead
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:07:39 -0500, John A. Weeks III wrote:
> In article <5kgch9F3jkghU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > LOL! Unless the qualifications are EXTREMELY narrow or the job
>> > opening not publicized, that simply does not ever happen.
>>
>> Corse it does, we have seen some employers desperate to get qualified
>> staff, who dont get even a single applicant in response to their
>> national ads, jobs as basic as truck driving etc.
The trucking companies have only themselves to blame for that. They got
themselves a big fat exemption from the labor laws years ago and never
miss a chance to use it to screw their drivers. As a result, working
conditions are right out of the slave-labor factories of the late 18th
century. The only difference is that truckers can quit when they get fed
up: 95% of would-be truckers see the writing on the wall and quit in
their first 30 days.
> If you are not getting applicants in this market, then you are doing
> something very wrong. You either are not putting the ads in the right
> place, you are putting in requirements that are not needed, you are paying
> far under market, or your company has such a bad reputation that people
> don't want to work there. Which is it?
Or the applicants keep finding out that Rod works there.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 8 2007 10:33 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
onionhead <no@nospam.invalid> wrote
> John A. Weeks III wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> LOL! Unless the qualifications are EXTREMELY narrow or
>>>> the job opening not publicized, that simply does not ever happen.
>>> Corse it does, we have seen some employers desperate to get
>>> qualified staff, who dont get even a single applicant in response
>>> to their national ads, jobs as basic as truck driving etc.
> The trucking companies have only themselves to blame for that.
> They got themselves a big fat exemption from the labor laws
> years ago and never miss a chance to use it to screw their drivers.
> As a result, working conditions are right out of the slave-labor
> factories of the late 18th century. The only difference is that
> truckers can quit when they get fed up: 95% of would-be truckers
> see the writing on the wall and quit in their first 30 days.
Different country.
>> If you are not getting applicants in this market, then you are doing
>> something very wrong. You either are not putting the ads in the
>> right place, you are putting in requirements that are not needed,
>> you are paying far under market, or your company has such a bad
>> reputation that people don't want to work there. Which is it?
> Or the applicants keep finding out that Rod works there.
I dont.
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