Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Tuesday, October 16, 2007

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TOPIC: Bush To Let Illegal Aliens Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 10:22 am
From: David Johnston

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:43:43 -0700, SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>Rod Speed wrote:
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com>
>>
>> > Does it or does it not convince some that they prefer to stay in Mexico rather than enter this country illegally?
>>
>> Nope, wont make any difference to that, essentially because
>> working conditions in mexico are so much worse than in the
>> US even if jobs are made available for them in mexico.
>
>
>
>Why is it necessary for them to enter illegally? Why can't they
>follow the process of filling-out an application, and getting a Visa?
>This is what my Chinese friend did. This is what my other Japanese
>friend did. I'm sure the Mexicans can do the same... just ask the
>U.S. embassy for the application. Be legal, not illegal.

There's no way the United States would ever allow most of them to
immigrate. There are too many of them and the kind of work they do
isn't valued highly.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 10:47 am
From: "Rod Speed"

SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote

>>> Does it or does it not convince some that they prefer
>>> to stay in Mexico rather than enter this country illegally?

>> Nope, wont make any difference to that, essentially because
>> working conditions in mexico are so much worse than in the
>> US even if jobs are made available for them in mexico.

> Why is it necessary for them to enter illegally?

Because they wont be allowed in using the legal route.

If they apply to enter the US to stay permanently, they will be refused entry.

> Why can't they follow the process of filling-out an application, and getting a Visa?

Because they wont get that visa.

> This is what my Chinese friend did. This is what my other Japanese friend did.

And vastly more got told that they dont qualify.

> I'm sure the Mexicans can do the same... just ask the
> U.S. embassy for the application. Be legal, not illegal.

And get told that they dont qualify.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 11:33 am
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
news:atropos-0D4742.18484115102007@news.giganews.com...
> In article <4713bc2b$0$28845$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:atropos-6907A0.21372114102007@news.giganews.com...
>> > In article <47129667$0$15370$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>> > "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:atropos-E4164D.15112014102007@news.giganews.com...
>> >> > In article <47125a29$0$4988$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>> >> > "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:atropos-D73048.19062613102007@news.giganews.com...
>> >> >> > In article <5ncm9aFhpimdU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> >> >> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Build the Fence!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> They'd just do an end run around it, like the Cubans do.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The reason it works for the Cubans is that once they make it to
>> >> >> > U.S.
>> >> >> > soil, the law says they get to stay.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jumping ahead of the line when they do that?
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know if they get to become citizens or not. But they get to
>> >> > stay
>> >> > here as foreign residents at a minimum.
>> >>
>> >> And what is the difference between Cubans "jumping ahead of the line"
>> >> and
>> >> those illegals who are in this country already, "jumping ahead of the
>> >> line"?
>> >
>> > Nothing as far as I'm concerned. But there is the fact that one is
>> > illegal and the other is not...
>>
>> the only important fact is, it is our government who decides who is legal
>> and who is illegal. So, it is our government who can decide to turn what
>> is
>> otherwise considered illegal to be legal.
>
> But they have to do it according to established law. They can't
> (legally) just pass a law declaring something to be illegal and then
> ignore it.

They are the ones who make the laws. They have the power to change the law
anytime they want to. They passed the fourteenth ammendment, then reversed
themselves and invalidated the fourteenth ammendment. In othher words they
make the rules that we have to play by.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 11:35 am
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4713cb45$0$11605$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5ngj7lFi1sduU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:47129667$0$15370$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:atropos-E4164D.15112014102007@news.giganews.com...
>>>>>> In article <47125a29$0$4988$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>>>>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:atropos-D73048.19062613102007@news.giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> In article <5ncm9aFhpimdU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Build the Fence!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They'd just do an end run around it, like the Cubans do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason it works for the Cubans is that once they make it to
>>>>>>>> U.S. soil, the law says they get to stay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jumping ahead of the line when they do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if they get to become citizens or not. But they get
>>>>>> to stay here as foreign residents at a minimum.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what is the difference between Cubans "jumping ahead of the
>>>>> line" and those illegals who are in this country already, "jumping
>>>>> ahead of the line"?
>>>
>>>> It's part of a program President Kennedy or Johnson put in place
>>>> for the bang up job they did in the Bay of Pigs.
>>>
>>> No it isnt, it preceeded that.
>>
>> What preceded that?
>
> That business about them being allowed to stay if
> they made it to the US preceeded the Bay of Pigs.
>
>
>

Yep, so what? Maybe they just used the Bay of Pigs as an excuse to sell the
public that was the thing to do?

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 11:36 am
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4713cb2f$0$11591$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>> But any market reform in Mexico would be better than what they have
>>>>>>>> now.
>
>>>>>>> Wouldnt fix the problem. NAFTA had no effect on the number of
>>>>>>> illegals.
>
>>>>>> First of all the comment was "any market reform in Mexico...", it did
>>>>>> not even mention NAFTA.
>
>>>>> Its a similar economic change.
>
>>>> Why is it "similar"?
>
>>> Because its another way of getting economic change.
>
>> Ageed
>
>>>>>> Second, while it is true that NAFTA will not fix the problem (it is
>>>>>> not intended to fix the problem), are you
>>>>>> going to argue that it won't "help"?
>
>>>>> Nope, that while it may well help the economic situation in Mexico,
>>>>> that wont have any effect on the number that still decide that
>>>>> their prospects are much better in the US than back in Mexico.
>
>> Agreed again, but it helps....
>
> Not with what is being discussed, the number of illegals from Mexico.
>
>>>> Huh? Does it provide jobs for some in Mexico that they would not
>>>> otherwise have,
>
>>> Thats arguable given that china manages fine without that.
>
>> huh?
>
> China doesnt have anything like NAFTA with the US and
> has plenty of jobs in areas that export to the US anyway.
>
>>>> and doesn't that provide them with the incentive not to enter this
>>>> country illegally?
>
>>> Nope, because work in those operations that do benefit from NAFTA still
>>> provides them with much worse living
>>> standards than moving to the US does.
>
>> so?
>
> So your line about improving the economic situation in Mexico wont
> actually have any effect on the number of illegals choosing to move
> to the US, essentially because whatever is done in Mexico will STILL
> see them with much worse living standards in mexico than in the US.
>
>> Does it or does it not convince some that they prefer to stay in Mexico
>> rather than enter this country illegally?
>
> Nope, wont make any difference to that, essentially because
> working conditions in mexico are so much worse than in the
> US even if jobs are made available for them in mexico.
>
>
>

then why aren't more of them here?

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 11:42 am
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5ni07aFi894fU3@mid.individual.net...
> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>> But where is the fence?
>>>>>>>>>> It works in Israel.
>
>>>>>>>>> And wouldnt work with Mexico.
>
>>>>>>>> why son't it work?
>
>>>>>>> Because its so easy to do an end run around it.
>
>>>>>> Going around it means you have to go over water to enter the United
>>>>>> States.
>
>>>>> And clearly plenty are prepared to do that, most obviously with the
>>>>> Cubans.
>
>>>>>> Which is easier, walking across land, or entering the United States
>>>>>> over water?
>
>>>>> Easier is irrelevant if they will use the harder route if they have
>>>>> to.
>
>>>>>>>>> There's already much better than a fence with Cuba
>>>>>>>>> and there are hordes of Cubans in the country anyway.
>
>>>>>>>> A couple of thoughts on Cuba. First, even though it is much
>>>>>>>> more difficult for them to come, they do keep coming.
>
>>>>>>> And even with a perfect fence between the US and
>>>>>>> Mexico, so would the Mexicans and other south americans
>>>>>>> that currently move over where the fence would be.
>
>>>>>> Which means you cannot stop people from doing what they want to do?
>
>>>>> No, that you can stop some, but not all of them.
>
>>>>>> That there is no real solution to the problem, by playing defense?
>
>>>>> That there is no real solution to the problem regardless,
>>>>> while ever so many realise that their prospects are so
>>>>> much better in the US than where they are coming from.
>
>>>> Of course there is a solution. People flee the country of their
>>>> birth to seek a better life somewhere else. The solution is to
>>>> have a government in their country that adopts the right policy,
>>>> that eliminates the causes.
>
>>> Pity you cant even point to any equivalent country with a
>>> birth rate that Mexico has that has ever managed to do that.
>
>> It is not the birthrate that is the problem,
>
> Corse it is.

No, it is the fact that they cannot earn a good living in Mexico.
>
>> it is the fact that their government has not adopted polices to help
>> these who live in their country to live a reasonably good life.
>
> Not even possible with the birth rate they have.
>
> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that high that
> has
> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even possible.
>
>> If the birth rate is high, then they just have to adopt policies that can
>> accomodate that higher birth rate.
>
> No such animal.
>
> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that high that
> has
> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even possible.
>
>>> Even eliminating the birth rate problem as china has done, STILL sees
>>> a situation where hordes of chinese would move to the US if they were
>>> allowed to, because the living standards are so much better in the US.
>
>> Which tells you that ultimately it depends on having the right politcy.
>
> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that high that
> has
> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even possible.
>
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2054.html

The countries on the list stand out. Bahamas, Belgium, Bermuda, and

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 12:08 pm
From: Thanatos

In article <47150409$0$4995$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message

> > But they have to do it according to established law. They can't
> > (legally) just pass a law declaring something to be illegal and then
> > ignore it.
>
> They are the ones who make the laws.

And they also have to abide by them.

> They have the power to change the law

And until they do, they have to abide by them.

> They passed the fourteenth ammendment, then reversed
> themselves and invalidated the fourteenth ammendment.

Really? I wasn't aware the 14th had been repealed. Which amendment
repealed it?

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 12:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote
>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>> Build the Fence!

>>>>>>>>>> They'd just do an end run around it, like the Cubans do.

>>>>>>>>> The reason it works for the Cubans is that once they make it to U.S. soil, the law says they get to stay.

>>>>>>>> Jumping ahead of the line when they do that?

>>>>>>> I don't know if they get to become citizens or not. But they get to stay here as foreign residents at a minimum.

>>>>>> And what is the difference between Cubans "jumping ahead of the line" and those illegals who are in this country
>>>>>> already, "jumping ahead of the line"?

>>>>> It's part of a program President Kennedy or Johnson put in place for the bang up job they did in the Bay of Pigs.

>>>> No it isnt, it preceeded that.

>>> What preceded that?

>> That business about them being allowed to stay if
>> they made it to the US preceeded the Bay of Pigs.

> Yep, so what?

So the original was incorrect.

> Maybe they just used the Bay of Pigs as an excuse to sell the public that was the thing to do?

Nope, he just got it wrong.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 12:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>> But any market reform in Mexico would be better than what they have now.

>>>>>>>> Wouldnt fix the problem. NAFTA had no effect on the number of illegals.

>>>>>>> First of all the comment was "any market reform in Mexico...",
>>>>>>> it did not even mention NAFTA.

>>>>>> Its a similar economic change.

>>>>> Why is it "similar"?

>>>> Because its another way of getting economic change.

>>> Ageed

>>>>>>> Second, while it is true that NAFTA will not fix the problem (it is not intended to fix the problem), are you
>>>>>>> going to argue that it won't "help"?

>>>>>> Nope, that while it may well help the economic situation in Mexico, that wont have any effect on the number that
>>>>>> still decide that their prospects are much better in the US than back in Mexico.

>>> Agreed again, but it helps....

>> Not with what is being discussed, the number of illegals from Mexico.

>>>>> Huh? Does it provide jobs for some in Mexico that they would not otherwise have,

>>>> Thats arguable given that china manages fine without that.

>>> huh?

>> China doesnt have anything like NAFTA with the US and
>> has plenty of jobs in areas that export to the US anyway.

>>>>> and doesn't that provide them with the incentive not to enter this> country illegally?

>>>> Nope, because work in those operations that do benefit from NAFTA still provides them with much worse living
>>>> standards than moving to the US does.

>>> so?

>> So your line about improving the economic situation in Mexico wont
>> actually have any effect on the number of illegals choosing to move
>> to the US, essentially because whatever is done in Mexico will STILL
>> see them with much worse living standards in mexico than in the US.

>>> Does it or does it not convince some that they prefer to stay in Mexico rather than enter this country illegally?

>> Nope, wont make any difference to that, essentially because
>> working conditions in mexico are so much worse than in the
>> US even if jobs are made available for them in mexico.

> then why aren't more of them here?

Because the US makes it hard for mexicans to just move to the US.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 12:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>> But where is the fence?
>>>>>>>>>>> It works in Israel.

>>>>>>>>>> And wouldnt work with Mexico.

>>>>>>>>> why son't it work?

>>>>>>>> Because its so easy to do an end run around it.

>>>>>>> Going around it means you have to go over water to enter the United States.

>>>>>> And clearly plenty are prepared to do that, most obviously with the Cubans.

>>>>>>> Which is easier, walking across land, or entering the United States over water?

>>>>>> Easier is irrelevant if they will use the harder route if they have to.

>>>>>>>>>> There's already much better than a fence with Cuba
>>>>>>>>>> and there are hordes of Cubans in the country anyway.

>>>>>>>>> A couple of thoughts on Cuba. First, even though it is much
>>>>>>>>> more difficult for them to come, they do keep coming.

>>>>>>>> And even with a perfect fence between the US and
>>>>>>>> Mexico, so would the Mexicans and other south americans
>>>>>>>> that currently move over where the fence would be.

>>>>>>> Which means you cannot stop people from doing what they want to do?

>>>>>> No, that you can stop some, but not all of them.

>>>>>>> That there is no real solution to the problem, by playing defense?

>>>>>> That there is no real solution to the problem regardless,
>>>>>> while ever so many realise that their prospects are so
>>>>>> much better in the US than where they are coming from.

>>>>> Of course there is a solution. People flee the country of their
>>>>> birth to seek a better life somewhere else. The solution is to
>>>>> have a government in their country that adopts the right policy,
>>>>> that eliminates the causes.

>>>> Pity you cant even point to any equivalent country with a
>>>> birth rate that Mexico has that has ever managed to do that.

>>> It is not the birthrate that is the problem,

>> Corse it is.

> No, it is the fact that they cannot earn a good living in Mexico.

Yep, the birth rate is the reason they cant earn a good living in mexico.

>>> it is the fact that their government has not adopted polices to help these who live in their country to live a
>>> reasonably good life.

>> Not even possible with the birth rate they have.

>> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that high that has
>> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even possible.

>>> If the birth rate is high, then they just have to adopt policies that can accomodate that higher birth rate.

>> No such animal.

>> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that high that has
>> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even possible.

>>>> Even eliminating the birth rate problem as china has done, STILL
>>>> sees a situation where hordes of chinese would move to the US if
>>>> they were allowed to, because the living standards are so much
>>>> better in the US.

>>> Which tells you that ultimately it depends on having the right politcy.

>> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that high that has
>> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even possible.

> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2054.html

> The countries on the list stand out. Bahamas, Belgium, Bermuda, and

None of those has anything like US living standards except belgium,
and it doesnt have anything like the birth rate that mexico does.

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TOPIC: How to travel around the world for free
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9b25e255bbd39d8c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 10:33 am
From: "travelyourway123@yahoo.it"

Find out how you can travel around the world with paying a cent.
http://destination123.blogspot.com

Would you do what this guy is doing? It is like the Amazing Race but
at turtle pace

Joyangel123
http://gatesofrighteousness.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: Radio Shack Battery Club
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f0bed274e0c47e99?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 11:01 am
From: Anthony Matonak

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
>>> A Veteran wrote:
>>> Remember when Radio Shack had its "Battery Club"?
>>>
>> I guess that folded when they ran through their stock of heavy duties.
>
> Actually, I suspect it was the arrival of alkaline batteries. The ones
> they used to hand out were zinc-carbon ones, which are not really made
> any more so far as I can tell.

Carbon batteries are still made and easily found in dollar stores and
some supermarkets. They usually say 'Heavy Duty' or something like that
and one might easily mistake them for something that they're not.

Anthony

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 12:37 pm
From: "bungalow_steve@yahoo.com"

On Oct 10, 2:31 pm, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> larry wrote:
> > Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> >> Just another note on liquid soaps in dollar stores: Not only is it
> >> cheaper than at the grocery (even if you are buying large refill
> >> containers), but you can get "ordinary" soap (i.e., not
> >> anti-bacterial). For people who think that using anti-bacterial soap
> >> all the time is a bad time, this is useful to know.
>
> > Watch prices carefully at Dollar General. After their buyout, nothing
> > but another cashcow raid by KKR, they changed a lot of suppliers and
> > jacked up prices by about 30%!!!
>
> I don't even go to Dollar General or Family Dollar. In my opinion, they
> are mis-using the word "dollar" in their names. (Heck, I don't even
> like the dollar stores that have only two or three items priced more
> than a dollar!)
>
> Dollar Tree is probably the best chain, but we have mom-and-pop ones as
> well around here (central NJ) that are pretty good.
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> He who knows only his own side of the case
> knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

the mom and pop ones are great, all name brand excess/overstock/
discontinued stuff, not "dollar store brand", we have one in our area,
all the chains are horrible

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 2:46 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

bungalow_steve@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2:31 pm, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Dollar Tree is probably the best chain, but we have mom-and-pop ones as
>> well around here (central NJ) that are pretty good.
>
> the mom and pop ones are great, all name brand excess/overstock/
> discontinued stuff, not "dollar store brand", we have one in our area,
> all the chains are horrible

Well, for plastics and kitchenware, a lot of the "dollar store brand" is
fine.

You need to watch the expiration dates on food, though--a lot of the
snack stuff has expired by the time it gets to the dollar stores.

The best deal we got was a half dozen boxes of chocolate-covered matzoh,
which would cost at least $5 each in the grocery. And there was no
problem, because matzoh doesn't really go stale. (Or as some people
say, it comes "pre-staled".)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

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TOPIC: Did I buy the worst two Nikon cameras (or are they all this bad?)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3b49006a02b43efc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 11:13 am
From: SMS

Jeff wrote:
> Jeanette Guire wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:54:59 +0100, BIC wrote:
>>
>>> you have just been unlucky...........or heavy handed.
>>
>>
>> It's a VERY common problem BIC. Google for the Nikon coolpix battery door
>> latch and you'll see many people have the same problem. For every one you
>> find, there are hundreds who don't know about the usenet or the forums.
>> Even Nikon's own forums are fraught with sorry sad little coolpix owners.
>
> Or switch to Canon. Canon has had a substantial lead on digital
> technology that the others have been playing catch up with for years.
> And the ergonomics of Canon are pretty good. I'm *really* hard on
> cameras and my Canon A95 is still ticking (so's my Rebel and elph). It's
> had a *lot* of exposures clicked through it.

It's true, the A series is remarkably robust for such an inexpensive
line of cameras.

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TOPIC: Global Warming is caused by the Sun, the moon and the stars.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c41c5eb05d5c2e49?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 1:29 pm
From: PiggyPalace

Global Warming is caused by the Sun, the moon and the stars.
The lunar or long calendar accurately predicts 2012 to be the date the
gravity of the planet Venus negatively affects the Moon's lunar
trajectory
and causes disruptions in the weather patterns on the planet Earth.
Known
only as, and exacerbated by, Global Warming. Though for communities
of the time, then dependent largely on agricultural industries, this
was
known as the beginning of the end times or the apocalypse.
The event of Venus' orbit pulling the moon away from us only happens
once every 60,000 to 70,000 years and coincides with landmark claims
of human survival such as the book of Genesis and the predictions of
the Maya.

In order to thwart this new enemy, or threat from outer space as I
like to call it, we need to re engineer the moons orbit back to a
position agreeable with life on earth. This should be the sole focus
of Global Warming talks and endeavors.

That new bomb the Russians invented should do the trick. Just detonate
it alongside the trajectory of the moon and nudge it back into
place. Do this every once in a while and we'll have a very nice planet
to
live on for a long time to come. If not, then it is Hell On Road Off,
as the heat of Gehenna burn us all to death.

Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape
the damnation of Gehenna?" - Jesus Christ

"Control the trajectory of the moon, you control the seasons,
control the seasons, you control the weather,
control the weather, you control global warming,
control global warming, you control the temperature of the earth.
and that is how we escape." - Beelzebub

And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars
-
all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and
worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned
to all the nations under heaven. Deuteronomy 4:19

Sincerely yours,

Norman Christian Hoffmann
HAMC
piggypalace@goodtimessociety.net
www.Goodtimessociety.net

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TOPIC: "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's red ....
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1ab4eec5e0e4a531?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 1:17 pm
From: Adam Funk

On 2007-10-16, Otto Bahn wrote:

>> What about at work?
>
> We have auto-flush toilets.

Ever seen "waterless urinals"?

>> What do your coworkers say when they walk in after you to find
>> a golden glowing bowl of piss?
>
> You need to drink more water.

Or take less B2.

--
Nam Sibbyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis vidi in ampulla
pendere, et cum illi pueri dicerent: beable beable beable; respondebat
illa: doidy doidy doidy. [plorkwort]

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 1:42 pm
From: "Otto Bahn"

"Adam Funk" <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote

> >> What about at work?
> >
> > We have auto-flush toilets.
>
> Ever seen "waterless urinals"?

Do my lawn and woods count?

> >> What do your coworkers say when they walk in after you to find
> >> a golden glowing bowl of piss?
> >
> > You need to drink more water.
>
> Or take less B2.

Rock Lobster!

--oTTo--

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 3:49 pm
From: Glenn Knickerbocker

Otto Bahn wrote:
> "Adam Funk" <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote
> > Or take less B2.
> Rock Lobster!

YM "Lobter!" HTH. HAND.

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TOPIC: PLEASE HELP US
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/641fd0f99dd59d56?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 1:34 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 16, 12:24 pm, Albert <savec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> we are a young couple from Italy looking for help.
> Take a look to our homepage
>
> Thanks
>
> Albert

No thanks.
PS. Your last name is not Einstein is it?

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TOPIC: Free Good Morning Hawaii TV T-Shirt
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 1:37 pm
From: Al Bundy

TheBestFreebies.com wrote:
> We would love to hear from you. All you have to do is fill out the
> form below, leave a small comment and we'll send you a prize.
> Please allow 4 to 6 weeks for delivery.
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>
Too much work for a shirt with advertising on it.

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TOPIC: Acheter Acomplia en ligne
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ed5f44df1583cacf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 1:44 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 16, 7:43 am, European <European...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Acheter Acomplia en ligne
>
> Acheter Acomplia en ligne L'Acomplia de Sanofi-Aventis est un nouveau
> médicament pouvant être prescrit dans le cadre du traitement contre
> l'obésité (associé à un régime adéquat et une activité physique
> régulière).
> Le Rimonabant (son composé actif) agit sur les récepteurs CB1 du
> système endocannabinoïde responsable des sensations de satiété, de
> l'équilibre énergétique et du métabolisme gluco-lipidique.
> En diminuant notablement la sensation de faim, il aide les patients à
> mieux contrôler et réduire leur alimentation.

Merde de Taureau. Juste ne mangez pas tellement.

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TOPIC: flush da toilet with rain-water
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d09a42bdb27b1164?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 3:17 pm
From: Jeff

A Veteran wrote:
> our local University has built a "green" bldg. it collects rain water to
> flush the toilets. for at least 5 months in a very rainey North West.
>
I saw a grey water recycling for flushing toilets. It was rather simple
as it collected shower water in a small cistern and filtered it for the
toilet line. I thought it well done.

http://bracsystems.com

Saw it during the National Solar Open House at a local home. It's a
rediculous amount of money though... but I still like the idea.

Jeff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 3:58 pm
From: James

On Oct 16, 6:17 pm, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
> A Veteran wrote:
> > our local University has built a "green" bldg. it collects rain water to
> > flush the toilets. for at least 5 months in a very rainey North West.
>
> I saw a grey water recycling for flushing toilets. It was rather simple
> as it collected shower water in a small cistern and filtered it for the
> toilet line. I thought it well done.
>
> http://bracsystems.com
>
> Saw it during the National Solar Open House at a local home. It's a
> rediculous amount of money though... but I still like the idea.
>
> Jeff

An outhouse or composting toilet is even better since all that shit
don't have to go through sewerage treatment plant.

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