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* Bush To Let Illegal Aliens Get $40 Digital TV Coupons - 4 messages, 3
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* flush da toilet with rain-water - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* best price on 2 GB SD card? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's red .... - 1 messages, 1 author
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* personal checks - 3 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Bush To Let Illegal Aliens Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f941e4a655a77d3f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 4:55 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"
"Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
news:atropos-373F81.15084316102007@news.giganews.com...
> In article <47150409$0$4995$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
>
>> > But they have to do it according to established law. They can't
>> > (legally) just pass a law declaring something to be illegal and then
>> > ignore it.
>>
>> They are the ones who make the laws.
>
> And they also have to abide by them.
Not really.
>
>> They have the power to change the law
>
> And until they do, they have to abide by them.
>
>> They passed the fourteenth ammendment, then reversed
>> themselves and invalidated the fourteenth ammendment.
>
> Really? I wasn't aware the 14th had been repealed. Which amendment
> repealed it?
Soory I meant the 18th and 21 st Amendment
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 5:03 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5nkh9bFis367U1@mid.individual.net...
> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote
>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Build the Fence!
>
>>>>>>>>>>> They'd just do an end run around it, like the Cubans do.
>
>>>>>>>>>> The reason it works for the Cubans is that once they make it to
>>>>>>>>>> U.S. soil, the law says they get to stay.
>
>>>>>>>>> Jumping ahead of the line when they do that?
>
>>>>>>>> I don't know if they get to become citizens or not. But they get to
>>>>>>>> stay here as foreign residents at a minimum.
>
>>>>>>> And what is the difference between Cubans "jumping ahead of the
>>>>>>> line" and those illegals who are in this country already, "jumping
>>>>>>> ahead of the line"?
>
>>>>>> It's part of a program President Kennedy or Johnson put in place for
>>>>>> the bang up job they did in the Bay of Pigs.
>
>>>>> No it isnt, it preceeded that.
>
>>>> What preceded that?
>
>>> That business about them being allowed to stay if
>>> they made it to the US preceeded the Bay of Pigs.
>
http://origin.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/17289788.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_americas
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 5:50 pm
From: Thanatos
In article <47154f8c$0$15354$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:atropos-373F81.15084316102007@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <47150409$0$4995$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> > "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
> >
> >> > But they have to do it according to established law. They can't
> >> > (legally) just pass a law declaring something to be illegal and then
> >> > ignore it.
> >>
> >> They are the ones who make the laws.
> >
> > And they also have to abide by them.
>
> Not really.
Yes really.
> >> They have the power to change the law
> >
> > And until they do, they have to abide by them.
> >
> >> They passed the fourteenth ammendment, then reversed
> >> themselves and invalidated the fourteenth ammendment.
> >
> > Really? I wasn't aware the 14th had been repealed. Which amendment
> > repealed it?
>
> Soory I meant the 18th and 21 st Amendment
Note that until they passed the 21st Amendment, the government had to
abide by the restrictions of the 18th.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 5:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote
>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Build the Fence!
>>>>>>>>>>>> They'd just do an end run around it, like the Cubans do.
>>>>>>>>>>> The reason it works for the Cubans is that once they make
>>>>>>>>>>> it to U.S. soil, the law says they get to stay.
>>>>>>>>>> Jumping ahead of the line when they do that?
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they get to become citizens or not. But they
>>>>>>>>> get to stay here as foreign residents at a minimum.
>>>>>>>> And what is the difference between Cubans "jumping ahead of the
>>>>>>>> line" and those illegals who are in this country already,
>>>>>>>> "jumping ahead of the line"?
>>>>>>> It's part of a program President Kennedy or Johnson put in
>>>>>>> place for the bang up job they did in the Bay of Pigs.
>>>>>> No it isnt, it preceeded that.
>>>>> What preceded that?
>>>> That business about them being allowed to stay if
>>>> they made it to the US preceeded the Bay of Pigs.
Irrelevant to what happened legally just after Castro took over.
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TOPIC: flush da toilet with rain-water
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 6:44 pm
From: Jeff
James wrote:
> On Oct 16, 6:17 pm, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
>
>>A Veteran wrote:
>>
>>>our local University has built a "green" bldg. it collects rain water to
>>>flush the toilets. for at least 5 months in a very rainey North West.
>>
>>I saw a grey water recycling for flushing toilets. It was rather simple
>>as it collected shower water in a small cistern and filtered it for the
>>toilet line. I thought it well done.
>>
>>http://bracsystems.com
>>
>> Saw it during the National Solar Open House at a local home. It's a
>>rediculous amount of money though... but I still like the idea.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
> An outhouse or composting toilet is even better since all that shit
> don't have to go through sewerage treatment plant.
>
I don't know of an urban or suburban setting where an outhouse is
allowed.
Jeff
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 11:12 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
Jeff wrote:
> James wrote:
...
>> An outhouse or composting toilet is even better since all that shit
>> don't have to go through sewerage treatment plant.
>>
> I don't know of an urban or suburban setting where an outhouse is
> allowed.
I don't know about outhouses but certainly composting and incinerating
toilets are allowed in cities. Septic systems may also be allowed in
some areas.
All this is really beside the point as 90+ percent of the water use
in the United States (and probably elsewhere) is used in agriculture
and industry. Your flush is like a drop in the bucket compared their
use of water.
Anthony
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 11:29 pm
From: Logan Shaw
James wrote:
> An outhouse or composting toilet is even better since all that shit
> don't have to go through sewerage treatment plant.
What's so bad about a wastewater treatment plant? Sure, it costs money
to operate one, but specialized toilet alternatives also cost money to
operate. And sometimes wastewater treatment plants send the, um,
excess off to be used as fertilizer. It seems to me they have the same
benefits but just do everything on a larger scale.
- Logan
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TOPIC: best price on 2 GB SD card?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 7:29 pm
From: Gene S. Berkowitz
In article <13h8oevpvcl0h64@corp.supernews.com>, dont_bug_me@all.uk
says...
> I think a lot of that is in the card design. I don't know about SD, but
> CF cards have the logic in them and not the camera. So no matter how
> large a CF card will get, any camera that takes them will still see the
> entire card (my old old elph that came with a 8MB CF card reads the 2GB,
> no problem). Advertising tends to promote a products worst virtue in
> hopes of covering that up.
>
> Compact Flash, is the largest of memory sticks.
>
> Smart Media, was the dumbest.
>
> and Secure Digital may very well be the least secure as it can be read
> by so many different devices.
>
> Jeff
SD cards also have most of the logic required (flash controller and
drive emulation) built in. The primary difference is that CF offers a
16-bit wide parallel bus, while SD offers at most a 4-bit, though very
high speed, bus.
SD/MMC cards are designed to permit several to share the bus, but I have
yet to see a consumer device that accepts more than one at a time.
As with older PCs, many older devices will have trouble with cards
larger than 2GB, because the nature of the drive addressing changes.
As to the "secure" part, many devices don't use it at all; they operate
the card in MMC mode, which has no security. When the security
mechanism is activated, the card is very effective at protecting the
information without the correct key.
--Gene
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TOPIC: "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's red ....
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 7:51 pm
From: "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
>> No one said I am.
"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote
> But we can all read between the lines.
Which is how we know your hands are coated.
>> And I don't handle your wiener so unlike you, my hands
>> are clean.
"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote
> Perhaps you have no penis. That would explain a lot.
Possibly. And I bet the idea keeps you all hot and sweaty at night.
"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote
> We know what's foremost on your mind -- smegma.
Oh, I bet smegma is on the mind of virtually everyone who chats with you.
Fortunately I don't have to shake your hand.
>> No go wash your hands... Smegma boy.
"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote
> I get it. You enjoy being an asshole. You should wipe
> more often.
Ah, Smegma Boy thinks he has a toilet cam installed in my bathroom.
No doubt it's installed in his mother's bathroom.
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TOPIC: personal checks
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 9:45 pm
From: Logan Shaw
Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <1192511028.256497.144580@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
>> Can someone recommend a cheap place to re-order personal checks on the
>> net?
> Do online banking and your need for personal checks and stamps will drop
> considerably.
Indeed. This month I used *three* checks, and it was a big event. Normally,
it's only one, which is for rent. But this month I mailed a check to an
individual because it was the easiest way to get them money I owed them
for something, and I also cashed a check at the supermarket (for the first
time ever) because my ATM card expired and the machine ate it (and the
credit union forgot to send me a new one in advance).
Another approach is to look into whether you can get an account at your
credit union (or bank) which includes free checks. I spent a lot of time
trying to find cheap checks on the internet, failed to find anything really
all that cheap, ordered checks anyway, and then a month or two later
changed to another type of account for other reasons, only to realize the
new account gives me free checks.
- Logan
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 10:52 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> Shawn Hirn wrote
>> bob@coolgroups.com wrote
>>> Can someone recommend a cheap place to re-order personal checks on the net?
>> Do online banking and your need for personal checks and stamps will drop considerably.
> Indeed. This month I used *three* checks,
I havent used one for years, literally, and that was a dinosaur
operation that flogs the cheapest pads for my swamp cooler.
I keep just one check in my wallet for just such an eventuality,
and it was pretty battered by the time I came to use it, and
he didnt look that happy about accepting it, but he did.
> and it was a big event.
A drunken celebration eh ?
> Normally, it's only one, which is for rent.
Not stupid enough to still be paying rent.
> But this month I mailed a check to an individual because it was the easiest way to get them money I owed them for
> something,
I pay all those electronically now and got paid that way too, the cash
for the bills I paid for one of the neighbours while they were away
and I was paying their bills would have been inconvenient for me.
> and I also cashed a check at the supermarket (for the first time ever) because my ATM card expired and the machine ate
> it
> (and the credit union forgot to send me a new one in advance).
I always have more than one card in the wallet for just such a problem.
> Another approach is to look into whether you can get an account at your credit union (or bank) which includes free
> checks. I spent a lot of time trying to find cheap checks on the internet, failed to
> find anything really all that cheap, ordered checks anyway, and then a month or two later changed to another type of
> account for other reasons, only to realize the new account gives me free checks.
A Jap would have the decency to disembowel itself.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 16 2007 11:02 pm
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>> Shawn Hirn wrote
>>> bob@coolgroups.com wrote
>
>>>> Can someone recommend a cheap place to re-order personal checks on the net?
>
>>> Do online banking and your need for personal checks and stamps will drop considerably.
>
>> Indeed. This month I used *three* checks,
>
> I havent used one for years, literally, and that was a dinosaur
> operation that flogs the cheapest pads for my swamp cooler.
> I keep just one check in my wallet for just such an eventuality,
> and it was pretty battered by the time I came to use it, and
> he didnt look that happy about accepting it, but he did.
>
>> and it was a big event.
>
> A drunken celebration eh ?
>
>> Normally, it's only one, which is for rent.
>
> Not stupid enough to still be paying rent.
Translation" you don't pay rent because welfare pays it for you.
>
>> But this month I mailed a check to an individual because it was the easiest way to get them money I owed them for
>> something,
>
> I pay all those electronically now and got paid that way too
Translation: Australia now uses debit cards for welfare payments.
, the cash
> for the bills I paid for one of the neighbours while they were away
> and I was paying their bills would have been inconvenient for me.
>
>> and I also cashed a check at the supermarket (for the first time ever) because my ATM card expired and the machine ate
>> it
>> (and the credit union forgot to send me a new one in advance).
>
> I always have more than one card in the wallet for just such a problem.
>
>> Another approach is to look into whether you can get an account at your credit union (or bank) which includes free
>> checks. I spent a lot of time trying to find cheap checks on the internet, failed to
>> find anything really all that cheap, ordered checks anyway, and then a month or two later changed to another type of
>> account for other reasons, only to realize the new account gives me free checks.
>
> A Jap would have the decency to disembowel itself.
Translation-Welfare boy is off his meds again.
>
>
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