Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Wednesday, October 17, 2007

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TOPIC: Bush To Let Illegal Aliens Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f941e4a655a77d3f?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:01 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5nkhfpFhqe45U1@mid.individual.net...
> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>> But any market reform in Mexico would be better than what they
>>>>>>>>>> have now.
>
>>>>>>>>> Wouldnt fix the problem. NAFTA had no effect on the number of
>>>>>>>>> illegals.
>
>>>>>>>> First of all the comment was "any market reform in Mexico...",
>>>>>>>> it did not even mention NAFTA.
>
>>>>>>> Its a similar economic change.
>
>>>>>> Why is it "similar"?
>
>>>>> Because its another way of getting economic change.
>
>>>> Ageed
>
>>>>>>>> Second, while it is true that NAFTA will not fix the problem (it is
>>>>>>>> not intended to fix the problem), are you going to argue that it
>>>>>>>> won't "help"?
>
>>>>>>> Nope, that while it may well help the economic situation in Mexico,
>>>>>>> that wont have any effect on the number that still decide that their
>>>>>>> prospects are much better in the US than back in Mexico.
>
>>>> Agreed again, but it helps....
>
>>> Not with what is being discussed, the number of illegals from Mexico.
>
>>>>>> Huh? Does it provide jobs for some in Mexico that they would not
>>>>>> otherwise have,
>
>>>>> Thats arguable given that china manages fine without that.
>
>>>> huh?
>
>>> China doesnt have anything like NAFTA with the US and
>>> has plenty of jobs in areas that export to the US anyway.
>
>>>>>> and doesn't that provide them with the incentive not to enter this>
>>>>>> country illegally?
>
>>>>> Nope, because work in those operations that do benefit from NAFTA
>>>>> still provides them with much worse living standards than moving to
>>>>> the US does.
>
>>>> so?
>
>>> So your line about improving the economic situation in Mexico wont
>>> actually have any effect on the number of illegals choosing to move
>>> to the US, essentially because whatever is done in Mexico will STILL
>>> see them with much worse living standards in mexico than in the US.
>
>>>> Does it or does it not convince some that they prefer to stay in Mexico
>>>> rather than enter this country illegally?
>
>>> Nope, wont make any difference to that, essentially because
>>> working conditions in mexico are so much worse than in the
>>> US even if jobs are made available for them in mexico.
>
>> then why aren't more of them here?
>
> Because the US makes it hard for mexicans to just move to the US.
>

that sure has worked hasn't it?

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:03 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_birth_rate

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5nkhplFioqvhU1@mid.individual.net...
> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But where is the fence?
>>>>>>>>>>>> It works in Israel.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> And wouldnt work with Mexico.
>
>>>>>>>>>> why son't it work?
>
>>>>>>>>> Because its so easy to do an end run around it.
>
>>>>>>>> Going around it means you have to go over water to enter the United
>>>>>>>> States.
>
>>>>>>> And clearly plenty are prepared to do that, most obviously with the
>>>>>>> Cubans.
>
>>>>>>>> Which is easier, walking across land, or entering the United States
>>>>>>>> over water?
>
>>>>>>> Easier is irrelevant if they will use the harder route if they have
>>>>>>> to.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's already much better than a fence with Cuba
>>>>>>>>>>> and there are hordes of Cubans in the country anyway.
>
>>>>>>>>>> A couple of thoughts on Cuba. First, even though it is much
>>>>>>>>>> more difficult for them to come, they do keep coming.
>
>>>>>>>>> And even with a perfect fence between the US and
>>>>>>>>> Mexico, so would the Mexicans and other south americans
>>>>>>>>> that currently move over where the fence would be.
>
>>>>>>>> Which means you cannot stop people from doing what they want to do?
>
>>>>>>> No, that you can stop some, but not all of them.
>
>>>>>>>> That there is no real solution to the problem, by playing defense?
>
>>>>>>> That there is no real solution to the problem regardless,
>>>>>>> while ever so many realise that their prospects are so
>>>>>>> much better in the US than where they are coming from.
>
>>>>>> Of course there is a solution. People flee the country of their
>>>>>> birth to seek a better life somewhere else. The solution is to
>>>>>> have a government in their country that adopts the right policy,
>>>>>> that eliminates the causes.
>
>>>>> Pity you cant even point to any equivalent country with a
>>>>> birth rate that Mexico has that has ever managed to do that.
>
>>>> It is not the birthrate that is the problem,
>
>>> Corse it is.
>
>> No, it is the fact that they cannot earn a good living in Mexico.
>
> Yep, the birth rate is the reason they cant earn a good living in mexico.
>
>>>> it is the fact that their government has not adopted polices to help
>>>> these who live in their country to live a reasonably good life.
>
>>> Not even possible with the birth rate they have.
>
>>> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that high
>>> that has
>>> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even
>>> possible.
>
>>>> If the birth rate is high, then they just have to adopt policies that
>>>> can accomodate that higher birth rate.
>
>>> No such animal.
>
>>> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that high
>>> that has
>>> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even
>>> possible.
>
>>>>> Even eliminating the birth rate problem as china has done, STILL
>>>>> sees a situation where hordes of chinese would move to the US if
>>>>> they were allowed to, because the living standards are so much
>>>>> better in the US.
>
>>>> Which tells you that ultimately it depends on having the right politcy.
>
>>> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that high
>>> that has
>>> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even
>>> possible.
>
>> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2054.html
>
>> The countries on the list stand out. Bahamas, Belgium, Bermuda, and
>
> None of those has anything like US living standards except belgium,
> and it doesnt have anything like the birth rate that mexico does.
>
>

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Build the Fence!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They'd just do an end run around it, like the Cubans do.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason it works for the Cubans is that once they make it to U.S. soil, the law says they get to stay.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Jumping ahead of the line when they do that?

>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they get to become citizens or not. But they get to stay here as foreign residents at a
>>>>>>>>>>> minimum.

>>>>>>>>>> And what is the difference between Cubans "jumping ahead of the line" and those illegals who are in this
>>>>>>>>>> country already, "jumping ahead of the line"?

>>>>>>>>> It's part of a program President Kennedy or Johnson put in place for the bang up job they did in the Bay of
>>>>>>>>> Pigs.

>>>>>>>> No it isnt, it preceeded that.

>>>>>>> What preceded that?

>>>>>> That business about them being allowed to stay if
>>>>>> they made it to the US preceeded the Bay of Pigs.

>>> http://origin.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/17289788.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_americas

>> Irrelevant to what happened legally just after Castro took over.

> Huh?

What was being discussed was whether cubans who got to the
US were legally allowed to stay before the bay of pigs. They were.
That preceeded the bay of pigs, so cant have been due to the bay of pigs.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:53 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote

>>>>> Does it or does it not convince some that they prefer
>>>>> to stay in Mexico rather than enter this country illegally?

>>>> Nope, wont make any difference to that, essentially because
>>>> working conditions in mexico are so much worse than in the
>>>> US even if jobs are made available for them in mexico.

>>> Why is it necessary for them to enter illegally?

>> Because they wont be allowed in using the legal route.

> Too bad. That's no excuse to break the law & enter illegally.

But completely relevant to why its necessary for them to enter
illegally, because they wont be allowed in using the legal channels.

> *I'd* like to be to drive 120 miles an hour on I-80 (cross-country
> where it's empty), but I can't because we have laws. If I can't
> break the laws, why should "they" be allowed to break the law?
> If they're caught, send them back home, and hand them a Visa
> application so they can enter legally.

Separate matter entirely to why its necessary for them to
enter illegally when they wont be allowed to enter legally.

>>> This is what my Chinese friend did. This is what my Japanese friend did.

>> And vastly more got told that they dont qualify.

> FALSE.

NOPE.

> They're both living in suburban D.C. They are U.S. citizens now,

Irrelevant to how many tried to enter legally and got told that they couldnt come.

> because that's what happens when you follow the laws,

Plenty more got the other result, they were told that they couldnt come.

> rather than act like a criminal and try to enter illegally.

Something like 40M succeeded in entering illegally.

Thats actually a lot more than entered legally.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>> But any market reform in Mexico would be better than what they have now.

>>>>>>>>>> Wouldnt fix the problem. NAFTA had no effect on the number of illegals.

>>>>>>>>> First of all the comment was "any market reform in Mexico...",
>>>>>>>>> it did not even mention NAFTA.

>>>>>>>> Its a similar economic change.

>>>>>>> Why is it "similar"?

>>>>>> Because its another way of getting economic change.

>>>>> Ageed

>>>>>>>>> Second, while it is true that NAFTA will not fix the problem
>>>>>>>>> (it is not intended to fix the problem), are you going to
>>>>>>>>> argue that it won't "help"?

>>>>>>>> Nope, that while it may well help the economic situation in
>>>>>>>> Mexico, that wont have any effect on the number that still
>>>>>>>> decide that their prospects are much better in the US than
>>>>>>>> back in Mexico.

>>>>> Agreed again, but it helps....

>>>> Not with what is being discussed, the number of illegals from Mexico.

>>>>>>> Huh? Does it provide jobs for some in Mexico that they would
>>>>>>> not otherwise have,

>>>>>> Thats arguable given that china manages fine without that.

>>>>> huh?

>>>> China doesnt have anything like NAFTA with the US and
>>>> has plenty of jobs in areas that export to the US anyway.

>>>>>>> and doesn't that provide them with the incentive not to enter this country illegally?

>>>>>> Nope, because work in those operations that do benefit from NAFTA
>>>>>> still provides them with much worse living standards than moving
>>>>>> to the US does.

>>>>> so?

>>>> So your line about improving the economic situation in Mexico wont
>>>> actually have any effect on the number of illegals choosing to move
>>>> to the US, essentially because whatever is done in Mexico will STILL see them with much worse living standards in
>>>> mexico than in the US.

>>>>> Does it or does it not convince some that they prefer to stay in
>>>>> Mexico rather than enter this country illegally?

>>>> Nope, wont make any difference to that, essentially because
>>>> working conditions in mexico are so much worse than in the
>>>> US even if jobs are made available for them in mexico.

>>> then why aren't more of them here?

>> Because the US makes it hard for mexicans to just move to the US.

> that sure has worked hasn't it?

Have the remotest concept of how many there would have been if any
south american that wanted to move to the US was free to do so ?

In spades with the rest of the world.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 1:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_birth_rate

Completely useless on that living standards question.

Not one of those with a birth rate that mexico has
has anything like the living standards that the US has.

It isnt possible for any govt to produce the living standards
that the US has when they have a birth rate that Mexico has.

> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But where is the fence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It works in Israel.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And wouldnt work with Mexico.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> why son't it work?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because its so easy to do an end run around it.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Going around it means you have to go over water to enter the
>>>>>>>>> United States.
>>
>>>>>>>> And clearly plenty are prepared to do that, most obviously
>>>>>>>> with the Cubans.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Which is easier, walking across land, or entering the United
>>>>>>>>> States over water?
>>
>>>>>>>> Easier is irrelevant if they will use the harder route if they
>>>>>>>> have to.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's already much better than a fence with Cuba
>>>>>>>>>>>> and there are hordes of Cubans in the country anyway.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A couple of thoughts on Cuba. First, even though it is much
>>>>>>>>>>> more difficult for them to come, they do keep coming.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> And even with a perfect fence between the US and
>>>>>>>>>> Mexico, so would the Mexicans and other south americans
>>>>>>>>>> that currently move over where the fence would be.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Which means you cannot stop people from doing what they want
>>>>>>>>> to do?
>>
>>>>>>>> No, that you can stop some, but not all of them.
>>
>>>>>>>>> That there is no real solution to the problem, by playing
>>>>>>>>> defense?
>>
>>>>>>>> That there is no real solution to the problem regardless,
>>>>>>>> while ever so many realise that their prospects are so
>>>>>>>> much better in the US than where they are coming from.
>>
>>>>>>> Of course there is a solution. People flee the country of their
>>>>>>> birth to seek a better life somewhere else. The solution is to
>>>>>>> have a government in their country that adopts the right policy,
>>>>>>> that eliminates the causes.
>>
>>>>>> Pity you cant even point to any equivalent country with a
>>>>>> birth rate that Mexico has that has ever managed to do that.
>>
>>>>> It is not the birthrate that is the problem,
>>
>>>> Corse it is.
>>
>>> No, it is the fact that they cannot earn a good living in Mexico.
>>
>> Yep, the birth rate is the reason they cant earn a good living in
>> mexico.
>>>>> it is the fact that their government has not adopted polices to
>>>>> help these who live in their country to live a reasonably good
>>>>> life.
>>
>>>> Not even possible with the birth rate they have.
>>
>>>> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that
>>>> high that has
>>>> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even
>>>> possible.
>>
>>>>> If the birth rate is high, then they just have to adopt policies
>>>>> that can accomodate that higher birth rate.
>>
>>>> No such animal.
>>
>>>> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that
>>>> high that has
>>>> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even
>>>> possible.
>>
>>>>>> Even eliminating the birth rate problem as china has done, STILL
>>>>>> sees a situation where hordes of chinese would move to the US if
>>>>>> they were allowed to, because the living standards are so much
>>>>>> better in the US.
>>
>>>>> Which tells you that ultimately it depends on having the right
>>>>> politcy.
>>
>>>> You cant list even a single country thats got a birth rate that
>>>> high that has
>>>> worked out how to produce decent living standards. It isnt even
>>>> possible.
>>
>>> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2054.html
>>
>>> The countries on the list stand out. Bahamas, Belgium, Bermuda, and
>>
>> None of those has anything like US living standards except belgium,
>> and it doesnt have anything like the birth rate that mexico does.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 1:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote
>>>> Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>>>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote

>>>>>> But they have to do it according to established law. They can't
>>>>>> (legally) just pass a law declaring something to be illegal and
>>>>>> then ignore it.

>>>>> They are the ones who make the laws.

>>>> And they also have to abide by them.

>>> Not really.

>> Yes really.

> If everyone abided by the law, you would not need laws.

Irrelevant to what is being discussed there, the LAWMAKERS needing to abide by them.

>>>>> They have the power to change the law

>>>> And until they do, they have to abide by them.

>>>>> They passed the fourteenth ammendment, then reversed
>>>>> themselves and invalidated the fourteenth ammendment.

>>>> Really? I wasn't aware the 14th had been repealed. Which amendment repealed it?

>>> Soory I meant the 18th and 21 st Amendment

>> Note that until they passed the 21st Amendment, the government had to abide by the restrictions of the 18th.

> And do you really think that every member of Congress, every member of their staff at the time, everyone working for
> the Government, including those who were in law enforcement abided by the law, when prohibition was the law of the
> land?

Irrelevant to whether the GOVT needs to abide by the laws.

> If you do, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 1:42 pm
From: David Johnston

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:21:39 -0700, SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>David Johnston wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:43:43 -0700, SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> >Why is it necessary for them to enter illegally? Why can't they
>> >follow the process of filling-out an application, and getting a Visa?
>> >This is what my Chinese friend did. This is what my other Japanese
>> >friend did. I'm sure the Mexicans can do the same... just ask the
>> >U.S. embassy for the application. Be legal, not illegal.
>>
>> There's no way the United States would ever allow most of them to
>> immigrate. There are too many of them and the kind of work they do
>> isn't valued highly.
>
>
>
>Too bad. That's no excuse to break the law & enter illegally.

You didn't ask whether it was right. You asked why it was necessary.

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TOPIC: SMS to email and back gateway?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/05164fc5bbf659c1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:13 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Anyone know abt the sms to email gateways that will
allow you to use regular cell phone texting to send
someone an email?

I guess you send the "system" a text and it converts it
to email and sends it to the recipient....and vice
versa

Does it work well? Who do you use? etc

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 1:39 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

> Anyone know abt the sms to email gateways that will allow you
> to use regular cell phone texting to send someone an email?

Yes, they do exist.

> I guess you send the "system" a text and it converts it
> to email and sends it to the recipient....and vice versa

Yep.

> Does it work well?

Not as well as a cellphone that allows you to email directly, particularly
on the convenient support for email addresses in the phone book etc.

> Who do you use? etc

I use what the cellphone telco provides, tho since my cellphone
does allow me to send real email, I normally use that now.

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TOPIC: Global Home Based Biz Tap Lucrative Prosumer MiddleClass Markets 45+
Countries
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:13 pm
From: "AcaiPlus2@gmail.com"

SUBJECT LINE: Residual Income Biz

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TOPIC: the price is wrong, @#%&@!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:14 pm
From: E Z Peaces

Bill wrote:
> "OhioGuy" wrote in message
>> I see it all the time - signs saying "milk $250 a gallon", or "bananas
>> $49 a pound"...
>>
>
> I remember when I was in school (many moons ago!) and did not include the
> decimal, it would be marked wrong and I would be chastised! It was a big no
> no.
>
Me too. When I'm at the grocery store I like to take a few decimal
points in case I need them at home. The manager hasn't complained, so I
guess they're free like bags. Life in America would be simpler if the
government had stayed with pounds and shillings instead of foisting
their darned decimal money on us.

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TOPIC: Use flat bed sheets only?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:16 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Curious if anyone here refuses to use fitted bed sheets
and instead uses two flat sheets?

Also.... can a person use a queen size flat sheet on a
FULL bed as the bottom sheet so that it will have more
material to tuck under the mattress?

I HATE trying to fold and store fitted sheets and
thinking abt going back to all flat sheets.... but I
have a full bed only.... no queen or king.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 2:12 pm
From: "Melissa"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:0tnch3horkok8853j3hcpqge7btd03qdhm@4ax.com...
> Curious if anyone here refuses to use fitted bed sheets
> and instead uses two flat sheets?
>
> Also.... can a person use a queen size flat sheet on a
> FULL bed as the bottom sheet so that it will have more
> material to tuck under the mattress?
>
> I HATE trying to fold and store fitted sheets and
> thinking abt going back to all flat sheets.... but I
> have a full bed only.... no queen or king.

Folding fitted sheets is no big deal. It's way easier than having to retuck
a flat sheet in on a mattress all the time.

Just fold the fitted sheet, tuck the corners into each other, fold again so
all 4 corners end up tucked inside of one. Flatten it out, finish folding,
and you're good to go.

Melissa

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 1:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

> Curious if anyone here refuses to use fitted
> bed sheets and instead uses two flat sheets?

Yeah, I do, I gave up on fitted bottoms sheets because
I couldnt find any that stay fitted to the mattress properly.

> Also.... can a person use a queen size flat sheet
> on a FULL bed as the bottom sheet so that it will
> have more material to tuck under the mattress?

Yep, thats what I do, buy oversized for that reason.

> I HATE trying to fold and store fitted sheets

I dont care about that aspect.

> and thinking abt going back to all flat sheets....
> but I have a full bed only.... no queen or king.

A queen or king flat sheet will work fine, just not
quite as convenient to fit as a fitted sheet, but
you dont have the problem with it coming off either.

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TOPIC: "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's red ....
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:31 pm
From: "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"

"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote
> It would explain why some asshole would think taking
> a leak gets smegma on your hands,

Your hands... Smegma Boy.... Your hands.

Smegma, a transliteration of the Greek word ?????? for sebum, is a
combination of exfoliated (shed) epithelial cells, transudated skin oils,
and moisture, and can accumulate under the foreskin of males and within the
vulva of females. It has a characteristic strong odor. Smegma is common to
all mammals, male and female. Mycobacterium smegmatis is the characteristic
bacterium involved in smegma production, and is generally thought to form
smegma from epidermal secretions.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:33 pm
From: Adam Funk

On 2007-10-16, Otto Bahn wrote:

>> Ever seen "waterless urinals"?
>
> Do my lawn and woods count?

I suppose they do!

>> Or take less B2.
>
> Rock Lobster!

It wasn't a rock!

--
Allo, la gare d'Arboujah? Un de nos fous s'est échappé et a sauté
dans le train qui va arriver chez vous. Voici son signalement...

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:45 pm
From: "Otto Bahn"

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote

> > It would explain why some asshole would think taking
> > a leak gets smegma on your hands,
>
> Your hands... Smegma Boy.... Your hands.
>
> Smegma, a transliteration of the Greek word ?????? for sebum, is a
> combination of exfoliated (shed) epithelial cells, transudated skin oils,
> and moisture, and can accumulate under the foreskin of males and within the
> vulva of females. It has a characteristic strong odor. Smegma is common to
> all mammals, male and female. Mycobacterium smegmatis is the characteristic
> bacterium involved in smegma production, and is generally thought to form
> smegma from epidermal secretions.

Do you spread the smegma all over your penis when you masturbate?

--oTTo--

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 1:33 pm
From: "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"

"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote
> Do you spread the smegma all over your penis when you masturbate?

Do you swallow your Daddy's smegma when you felate him? Smegma Boy.

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TOPIC: Halloween has nothing to do with the dead anymore
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cc738ec98b01cd5d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:47 pm
From: "Governessjoy@aol.com"

I believe that the spirit of Halloween has nothing to do with the
dead. I think it is a holiday for the living to enjoy especially the
kids. Kids to just love this Holiday for the candy and the costumes.
So I think people can continue to celebrate halloween because of its
feel good aspect. I do not think it's dark origin has much effect on
it. I think the good and pure spirits of the children has made it
into a very good holiday.

Do you think that we should abstain from Halloween activities because
of its origin?

GovernessJoy
http://123kidsoftheworld.blogspot.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 12:46 pm
From: "Governessjoy@aol.com"

Do you think that we should abstain from Halloween activities because
of its origin?

GovernessJoy
http://123kidsoftheworld.blogspot.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 1:44 pm
From: polly.ch@hotmail.com

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TOPIC: Offering a part-time job
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