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Wednesday, December 19, 2007

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TOPIC: Debit card article in Reader's Digest
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 8:06 pm
From:

In article <hclim35ieptbekoc977jbnttf1v230vi49@4ax.com>, dont@bother.com
says...

> # The big car-rental firms, including Hertz and Avis, have stopped letting
> people rent cars using debit cards.

I can confirm that's not true for Hertz or Enterprise, both happily
accept my debit card for car rentals.

> # Another debit card danger arises from merchant "blocking." Blocking occurs
> when a merchant routinely withholds an amount on a debit card until the
> transaction is fully processed. This typically occurs at hotels, gas stations,
> and those rental car companies that still accept debit cards. When you use a
> debit card, the blocked amount can cause your bank account to be overdrawn.

I suppose it's possible that some merchants actually draft the
"blocked" amount, but it has never happened with any of my car rentals,
hotel reservations, gas station visits, or other debit card
transactions. They've only ever charged the actual amount due. This is
different from credit cards, where you can see the "available credit"
reduced by hotels etc, causing a card to be declined when you are still
well below your credit limit in actual charges.

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== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 8:18 pm
From: George Grapman

josh@phred.org wrote:
> In article <hclim35ieptbekoc977jbnttf1v230vi49@4ax.com>, dont@bother.com
> says...
>
>> # The big car-rental firms, including Hertz and Avis, have stopped letting
>> people rent cars using debit cards.
>
> I can confirm that's not true for Hertz or Enterprise, both happily
> accept my debit card for car rentals.

I have used debit cards at Avis and Budget. I varies by location so
you should verify when you call.
>
>> # Another debit card danger arises from merchant "blocking." Blocking occurs
>> when a merchant routinely withholds an amount on a debit card until the
>> transaction is fully processed. This typically occurs at hotels, gas stations,
>> and those rental car companies that still accept debit cards. When you use a
>> debit card, the blocked amount can cause your bank account to be overdrawn.

>
> I suppose it's possible that some merchants actually draft the
> "blocked" amount, but it has never happened with any of my car rentals,
> hotel reservations, gas station visits, or other debit card
> transactions. They've only ever charged the actual amount due. This is
> different from credit cards, where you can see the "available credit"
> reduced by hotels etc, causing a card to be declined when you are still
> well below your credit limit in actual charges.

My checking balance will have two sections, balance and available
balance. The difference can be caused by either a pending debit or a
hold placed on a check. When I swipe the card as a debit card the amount
and merchant appear immediately but when swiped as a credit card the
amount is deducted from the available balance and takes a day or two to
show up.
>

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 8:19 pm
From:

In article <sufaj.30936$lD6.11963@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...

> On a related note debit cards have really cut into the sales of
> travelers checks. I can not remember the last time I used them.

I know when I last used TCs -- a month in India in the early '90s. I
hadn't been to India in years, and was expecting the same crumpled-paper
economy I'd experienced in the mid-'80s, so I took along a couple of
thousand dollars in travelers checks. Didn't use any of them, most
larger stores were happy to take my credit card, and I got a better
exchange rate, too.

--
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<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Braze your own bicycle frames. See
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html>

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 8:28 pm
From: SMS 斯蒂文• 夏

I took some travelers checks to Russia, and came back with all of them.
Merchants didn't want to take them, and to cash them required going to
one of the few banks that would cash them. For some reason, in Russia
they would only take U.S. dollars that were in perfect condition, not
even a tiny tear was acceptable.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 8:30 pm
From: George Grapman

josh@phred.org wrote:
> In article <sufaj.30936$lD6.11963@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
> sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...
>
>> On a related note debit cards have really cut into the sales of
>> travelers checks. I can not remember the last time I used them.
>
> I know when I last used TCs -- a month in India in the early '90s. I
> hadn't been to India in years, and was expecting the same crumpled-paper
> economy I'd experienced in the mid-'80s, so I took along a couple of
> thousand dollars in travelers checks. Didn't use any of them, most
> larger stores were happy to take my credit card, and I got a better
> exchange rate, too.
>
My handwriting is almost illegible. So bad that I have trouble at
time reading it so rather than make notes to myself I type them in my
computer,speak into a digital recorder or call my voice mail to leave
messages.
On two different trips I was using travelers checks. Both times after
signing the bottom part I was asked for ID and both times was then told
not to bother as they were sure that no one could forge my signature.
Remember when a benefit of belonging to AAA was no fee traveler checks?

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 8:52 pm
From: Rick Blaine

<josh@phred.org> wrote:

>I can confirm that's not true for Hertz or Enterprise, both happily
>accept my debit card for car rentals.

National allows you to pay for a rental upon return with a debit card, but not
take a vehicle out on one.

--
"Tell me what I should do, Annie."
"Stay. Here. Forever." - Life On Mars

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 8:53 pm
From: Rick Blaine

<josh@phred.org> wrote:

>I suppose it's possible that some merchants actually draft the
>"blocked" amount, but it has never happened with any of my car rentals,
>hotel reservations, gas station visits, or other debit card
>transactions. They've only ever charged the actual amount due. This is
>different from credit cards, where you can see the "available credit"
>reduced by hotels etc, causing a card to be declined when you are still
>well below your credit limit in actual charges.

That's not what a block is. A block is when a merchant reserves a larger amount
and prevents you from using it for other purposes until the block expires.

--
"Tell me what I should do, Annie."
"Stay. Here. Forever." - Life On Mars

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 9:07 pm
From: George Grapman

Rick Blaine wrote:
> <josh@phred.org> wrote:
>
>> I suppose it's possible that some merchants actually draft the
>> "blocked" amount, but it has never happened with any of my car rentals,
>> hotel reservations, gas station visits, or other debit card
>> transactions. They've only ever charged the actual amount due. This is
>> different from credit cards, where you can see the "available credit"
>> reduced by hotels etc, causing a card to be declined when you are still
>> well below your credit limit in actual charges.
>
> That's not what a block is. A block is when a merchant reserves a larger amount
> and prevents you from using it for other purposes until the block expires.
>
> --

I used to work in a video store that also rented high end stuff. When
people rented a projection tv (remember those?) we required either a
cash deposit or a credit card for the retail price of the item. We would
carefully explain that as long as the tv was returned in the same
condition we would only charge the rental rate and would return the
deposit invoice to them. We also told them that the retail amount would
lower their available credit for a few days but we would still have
customers who would rent a tv for a super bowl party, have their card
declined at another store,call their bank which told them we had an
unprocessed transaction and then blame us because they could not
purchase things for their party.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 10:44 pm
From: Bill

SMS ???• ? wrote:
>
> George Grapman wrote:
>
> > Some parents give their children a debit card,especially if they are
> > at college or otherwise away from home. Each month they put money in the
> > account and that has to last until the next month. The parents make sure
> > not to link it to their accounts.
>
> My bank has this but it's much safer because it's a prepaid debit
> Mastercard, and it isn't linked to a specific checking account.
>
> Visa has a product like this called the PAYjr Visa Buxx card but it's
> full of onerous fees. The prepaid debit Mastercard from my bank has no fees.
>
> Be sure that there is no activation fee, no annual fee, no monthly fee,
> no inactivity fee, and no reload fee. I.e. the Visa PAYjr Visa Buxx card
> has the following fees: $4.95 activation fee, $2.95 monthly fee, $5
> inactivity fee (no activity in 120 days) and a 50Â¢ reload fee.

I had those cards for my daughter when she was in high school.
First I had an AMEX Cobalt card, which was fee-free. That
folded, then I was able to get a Citibank card which usually had
a startup fee but I got a code to get it for free (and there
were no other fees). It folded as well.

The Visa Buxx has been around for a while and the banks offering
it have always had awful fees. Is your bank's something similar
(in terms of features for kids) or is it just a standard
pre-paid debit card? What bank is it?

Bill

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 11:13 pm
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <MPG.21d2da6bdb8708759896d7@news.individual.net>,
krw <krw@att.bizzzzz> wrote:
>
>Yes, the banking system in the US is a "pull" system. With the
>account numbers and routing info (on every check) one can *pull* as
>much money out of an account as one wants. Of course it's fraud,
>but that never stopped a criminal. Yet, I see the whine about
>debit cards here constantly. No one complains about the "pull"
>system (Europeans, AIUI, have a "push" system, which make far more
>sense, IMO).

Until recently you could turn to Your Money Access to suck money out of
people's accounts. I'd bet there are plenty more like them.
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/22935

>> I know people who take their pay checks to their employers bank
>> (often incurring a fee) because they do no want anyone in the company to
>> have their account number.
>
>At least NY (haven't looked at others - no interest ;) has a law
>that makes paying by check a privilege, requiring a permit from the
>state. To get the permit the employer must guarantee that the
>check was easily convertible to cash, without fee. My PPOE had

More indirect in CA. The bank fee meant the employee didn't get his/her
full pay, puting the employer in violation of the law.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 8:36 pm
From: max

In article <fkcp3h$buu$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

> Dennis wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:04:47 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Does anyone really need a live tree that bad? Can't you make an
> >>artificial one just as lovely? I don't mean to offend anyone, but to
> >>cut down a live tree and then discard it when you're done just does not
> >>make sense to me, even if it is from a "tree farm".
> >
> >
> > By buying a real tree from my neighbor's lot, I am helping support a
> > small farmer in my community. Some of the money is used to plant and
> > maintain more trees.
> >
> > Dennis (evil)
>
> I'm all for helping support small farmers, but correct me if this is
> wrong. New trees can't grow as fast as the old ones are cut down, right?
>
> Marsha/Ohio

Correct, you are wrong. You need to read up on sustainable
silvaculture, and forrestry. Hell, you're posting from a german
server, which suggests you're in germany. A german should know better.

--
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 10:29 pm
From: The Real Bev

Marsha wrote:

> Does anyone really need a live tree that bad? Can't you make an
> artificial one just as lovely? I don't mean to offend anyone, but to
> cut down a live tree and then discard it when you're done just does not
> make sense to me, even if it is from a "tree farm".

Several years ago I picked out of somebody's trash a 2-foot-high
carefully-shaped conical Xmas tree that the owners had (a) placed in
front of a heater so that a lot of it was dead; and (b) hadn't realized
that live trees need water. I think it was the same house that had a
little rosemary xmas tree the year before that was unresurrectible.

The little pine is still alive and growing, more or less, but its scars
will never really heal. Maybe I'll decorate it this year...

--
Cheers, Bev
========================================================
If I gave a shit, you'd be the first one I'd give it to.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 11:40 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Marsha wrote:
> I'm all for helping support small farmers, but correct me if this is
> wrong. New trees can't grow as fast as the old ones are cut down, right?

That question is impossible to answer because it depends on how many are
cut down every year.

- Logan

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TOPIC: Recommendations for Online Consumer Electronics Retailer
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 8:58 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <Xns9A0BC678D87A9mavi@207.115.33.102>,
mavigozler <mavigozler@turkiye.gov> wrote:

> I already have one that I use when I was doing mail-order before there was
> even an internet.
>
> Typically the best place to buy any consumer electronics---digicam, flat
> panel display of any type, you-name-it----is from the high-volume places
> they have in New York City. It was true 20, 30, 40 years ago, and it seems
> true today. No California sales tax (which gets more outrageous with each
> change in the Legislature), and typically free shipping on many
> orders...even free next-day air on purchases of a certain amount. That's
> what I like about them.
>
> I want to know what your favorite online electronics retailer is (and I bet
> they are located in New York City). I want to feel satisfied that I am
> dealing with the best and most inexpensive.

My top three favorite online retailers are ...

amazon.com
buy.com
ecost.com

I live in NJ so I have no idea what these companies do with California
sales tax.

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TOPIC: Exploding television...
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 10:11 pm
From: The Real Bev

Dennis wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:20:55 -0500, maryatbeach@webtv.net (Mary
> Mathews) wrote:
>>
>>My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
>>taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
>>know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
>>accident? Thanks. Mary
>
> Was there a penguin atop the telly at the time?

Bastard, I was going to say that.

--
Cheers, Bev
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 10:15 pm
From: The Real Bev

Don K wrote:

> "Mark Anderson" <mea@nospambrandylion.com> wrote:
>> imnot@mycomputer.now says...
>>> > Just have to bleed off the CRT pressure once in a while.
>>> > Problem solved.
>>>
>>> How exactly is this done?
>>
>> There's a little valve at the back up the picture tube. Use need a
>> small screwdriver to open the valve that lets the air bubbles out.

The Brits call them valves, but we yanks call them tubes. Either one
will work. Just make sure you use an insulated screwdriver.

> You could use a bleeder resistor, but that's just a band-aid approach.

Expensive and hard to find. Where did you get yours?

--
Cheers, Bev
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 10:17 pm
From: The Real Bev

Dennis wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:50:06 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>A TV CRT is a vacuum tube. Should it fail it implodes not explode.
>
> Having seen a large CRT burst first hand I can tell you that, to a
> casual observer, there isn't a huge practical distinction. There is a
> loud noise and little bits of glass go flying everywhere.

Which is why it's so cool to toss one into a big dumpster and then run
like hell!

--
Cheers, Bev
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If I gave a shit, you'd be the first one I'd give it to.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 10:19 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Rick wrote:
> Can't find them when I went looking for one.

I think microwave popcorn has taken over but you could
always try the google "shopping" search.

http://www.google.com/products?q=hot+air+popcorn+popper&btnG=Search

Anthony

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 11:18 pm
From: Ken Lopez

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:45:43 -0400, Rick wrote:

> Hey all
>
> Can't find them when I went looking for one.
>
> Well, I can find two. They both have the same design problems and spew
> uncooked kernels and popcorn everywhere. The first disaster is a $9.99
> item carried by Walgreens. The other one looks stupid enough - the red
> "pop corn vendor" cart model. Target carries it and there are a ton of
> bad on line reviews at Amazon. ...

Most of the better-quality useful ones are no longer being made or sold.
You may have to go to a thrift shop to find one. But be warned, the
coffee roasting people have probably already got them all by now. This is
the newest use for hot air poppers. Several places on the net have
instructions on how to use them for same.

My suggestion is to try the microwave popcorn poppers. I have an old one
that works just fine; no popping kernels outside of the container and
little or no oil needed.

Ken
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 11:37 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Rick wrote:
> Well, I can find two. They both have the same design problems and spew
> uncooked kernels and popcorn everywhere. The first disaster is a $9.99
> item carried by Walgreens. The other one looks stupid enough - the red
> "pop corn vendor" cart model. Target carries it and there are a ton of
> bad on line reviews at Amazon. It costs up to three times as much as the
> Walgreens one but is designed pretty much the same way and does the same
> thing: The way they are designed they "spin" the popcorn around in hot
> air, and that seems to make it fly everywhere

I believe you can skip all this and simply pop regular old popping corn
in the microwave. Just go buy (for example) a 1 lb bag of plain old
popping corn (not "microwave popcorn"), dump some into a Pyrex glass bowl,
and then tear off a length of paper towels long enough to cover the bowl
and fold under both the left and the right of the bowl (so it will stay
on top even when the popcorn hits it). Then put it in the microwave like
that, put it in high for 2 to 4 minutes (watch carefully), and you've
got popcorn.

Note that there is no need to add oil or buy any sort of special gadget.
As long as you have a microwave that's reasonably powerful, a Pyrex bowl
is all you need. Also note that I'm suggesting a Pyrex bowl because I
know those things can stand the heat. And it will get hot. Don't use
a glass salad bowl or something else not meant for cooking.

I've read you can also get plastic microwave rice cookers that can do
not just rice but also popcorn, but I haven't tried those.

By the way, I think all air poppers work the way you describe. I think
the idea of circling the kernels around in the air stream is that it
automatically more or less separates the popped kernels from the unpopped
ones because popped ones are less dense and tend to float away in the air
current. Obviously this is an imperfect process, but I've never seen an
air popper that uses any other sort of process.

- Logan

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TOPIC: Sell Sports Shoes,Fashion Cloth,Mobile Phone,Children Shoes,Menswear,
Casual Jean,Children Shoes www.fashion-sky.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 11:10 pm
From: fashion-sky.002@hotmail.com

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile(apple iphones,apple
iphones,apple iphones,apple iphones) 3).Nokia Mobile(Nokia N95,Nokia
N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N93,Nokia N70,Nokia N92,Nokia 8800)
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 11:11 pm
From: himana

Today, advertisements play a role in most television programming,
such ... in situation comedy, reality TV, or game shows, or for income
as advertisements

http://tv-tv-television.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: television ad
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 11:12 pm
From: himana

Today, advertisements play a role in most television programming,
such ... in situation comedy, reality TV, or game shows, or for income
as advertisements

http://tv-tv-television.blogspot.com

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