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* Exploding television... - 15 messages, 12 authors
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TOPIC: Exploding television...
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 12:04 pm
From: sarge137
On Dec 18, 10:20 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
> My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
> taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
> know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
> accident? Thanks. Mary
Can't say for sure Mary, but I'd bet next month's mortgage payment
that there's way more to the story. Television don't "explode".
I've seen cases where house fires were started by faulty electrical
circuits in televisions, then the picture tube exploded from the heat
of the ensuing fire; but in over forty years I've never seen or even
heard of anyone being injured from a spontaneously exploding
television.
If you're really concerned about this I'd suggest you contact your
sister's friend and get all the facts.
Regards,
Sarge
== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 12:16 pm
From: Dennis
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:20:55 -0500, maryatbeach@webtv.net (Mary
Mathews) wrote:
>
>My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
>taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
>know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
>accident? Thanks. Mary
Was there a penguin atop the telly at the time?
Dennis (evil)
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== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 12:57 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
Mary Mathews wrote:
> My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
> taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
> know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
> accident? Thanks. Mary
I can suggest the obvious. Don't own a TV and fireproof the house.
Anthony
== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 1:38 pm
From: turtlelover
Dennis wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:20:55 -0500, maryatbeach@webtv.net (Mary
> Mathews) wrote:
>
>
>>My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
>>taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
>>know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
>>accident? Thanks. Mary
>
>
> Was there a penguin atop the telly at the time?
>
> Dennis (evil)
My thought exactly, Dennis. I see there's another Monty Python fan here!
Cheers,
T
== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 2:57 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Dec 18, 9:20 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
> My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
> taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
> know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
> accident? Thanks. Mary
Simplest answer: Don't have a TV in the house Second simplest answer:
Get an LCD TV; no pesky CRT to build up pressure and burst.
== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 2:58 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Dec 18, 12:04 pm, sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 10:20 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
>
> > My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
> > taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
> > know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
> > accident? Thanks. Mary
>
> Can't say for sure Mary, but I'd bet next month's mortgage payment
> that there's way more to the story. Television don't "explode".
>
> I've seen cases where house fires were started by faulty electrical
> circuits in televisions, then the picture tube exploded from the heat
> of the ensuing fire; but in over forty years I've never seen or even
> heard of anyone being injured from a spontaneously exploding
> television.
>
> If you're really concerned about this I'd suggest you contact your
> sister's friend and get all the facts.
>
> Regards,
> Sarge
This sure sounds like a story for the Mythbusters, doesn't it?
== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 3:00 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:57:43 -0800 (PST), Seerialmom
<seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Dec 18, 9:20 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
>> My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
>> taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
>> know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
>> accident? Thanks. Mary
>
>Simplest answer: Don't have a TV in the house Second simplest answer:
>Get an LCD TV; no pesky CRT to build up pressure and burst.
Just have to bleed off the CRT pressure once in a while.
Problem solved.
== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 3:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 9:20 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
>> My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
>> taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone
>> here know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
>> accident? Thanks. Mary
> Simplest answer: Don't have a TV in the house
> Second simplest answer: Get an LCD TV;
> no pesky CRT to build up pressure and burst.
CRTs dont build up pressure and burst, they have a vacuum in them.
== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 3:19 pm
From: imascot
Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in
news:i7kgm3d2jurgdipqd3t3crhndgmktg255e@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:57:43 -0800 (PST), Seerialmom
> <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 18, 9:20 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
>>> My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
>>> taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone
here
>>> know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
>>> accident? Thanks. Mary
>>
>>Simplest answer: Don't have a TV in the house Second simplest answer:
>>Get an LCD TV; no pesky CRT to build up pressure and burst.
>
> Just have to bleed off the CRT pressure once in a while.
> Problem solved.
>
How exactly is this done?
J.
== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 3:32 pm
From: Mark Anderson
In article imnot@mycomputer.now says...
> > Just have to bleed off the CRT pressure once in a while.
> > Problem solved.
> >
>
> How exactly is this done?
There's a little valve at the back up the picture tube. Use need a
small screwdriver to open the valve that lets the air bubbles out.
== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 3:45 pm
From: "Don K"
"Mark Anderson" <mea@nospambrandylion.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21d214a257683d4a9899b6@chi.news.speakeasy.net...
> In article imnot@mycomputer.now says...
>> > Just have to bleed off the CRT pressure once in a while.
>> > Problem solved.
>> >
>>
>> How exactly is this done?
>
> There's a little valve at the back up the picture tube. Use need a
> small screwdriver to open the valve that lets the air bubbles out.
You could use a bleeder resistor, but that's just a band-aid approach.
== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 3:47 pm
From: "Don K"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5sr26vF18qvc8U1@mid.individual.net...
> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 18, 9:20 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
>>> My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
>>> taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone
>>> here know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
>>> accident? Thanks. Mary
>
>> Simplest answer: Don't have a TV in the house
>
>> Second simplest answer: Get an LCD TV;
>> no pesky CRT to build up pressure and burst.
>
> CRTs dont build up pressure and burst, they have a vacuum in them.
And once the bag gets filled, it explodes.
== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 3:50 pm
From: PaPaPeng
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:04:28 -0800 (PST), sarge137
<rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Dec 18, 10:20 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
>> My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
>> taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
>> know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
>> accident? Thanks. Mary
>
>Can't say for sure Mary, but I'd bet next month's mortgage payment
>that there's way more to the story. Television don't "explode".
>
>I've seen cases where house fires were started by faulty electrical
>circuits in televisions, then the picture tube exploded from the heat
>of the ensuing fire; but in over forty years I've never seen or even
>heard of anyone being injured from a spontaneously exploding
>television.
>
>If you're really concerned about this I'd suggest you contact your
>sister's friend and get all the facts.
>
>Regards,
>Sarge
A TV CRT is a vacuum tube. Should it fail it implodes not explode.
The tube itself is thin glass ande well protected by the TV box. In
front where the TV picture is, is a thick cornformal piece of glass
that protects the vacuum tube from imploding should you knock with a
piece of furniture or throw a can of beer at it. It take quite a
hammer force to break that protective glass layer. Next, should there
be a short circuit the main fuse from the power cord to the
transformer blows immediately. No power, no fire. The OP is making
up the story.
== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 4:58 pm
From: Dennis
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:50:06 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>A TV CRT is a vacuum tube. Should it fail it implodes not explode.
Having seen a large CRT burst first hand I can tell you that, to a
casual observer, there isn't a huge practical distinction. There is a
loud noise and little bits of glass go flying everywhere.
Dennis (evil)
--
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== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 5:01 pm
From:
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"PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:04:28 -0800 (PST), sarge137
> <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>The OP is making up the story.
Well, duh! That's why it's so amusing!
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TOPIC: New Money Saving Articles
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Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 12:43 pm
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TOPIC: Ice cream shrinks again
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 3:29 pm
From: imascot
I see that a "half gallon" of ice cream has now shrunk from 1.75 quarts to 1.5
From what I've gathered, anything that has corn in it or used to eat corn has
gone up in price, for instance, corn muffins, which used to the same price as
blueberry, are now a dollar more for a package of six.
I'd rather have expanding prices than shrinking product size, though.
J.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 4:57 pm
From: Brian Elfert
imascot <imnot@mycomputer.now> writes:
>I see that a "half gallon" of ice cream has now shrunk from 1.75 quarts to 1.5
>From what I've gathered, anything that has corn in it or used to eat corn has
>gone up in price, for instance, corn muffins, which used to the same price as
>blueberry, are now a dollar more for a package of six.
>I'd rather have expanding prices than shrinking product size, though.
A lot of the public won't notice a slightly smaller quantity, but will
notice the higher cost.
The cafeteria where my father worked would decrease the milk cartons by
two oz for the same cost and then would go back to the larger size when
the price increased.
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TOPIC: Natural gas space heaters
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 3:51 pm
From: sylvan butler
On 18 Dec 2007 08:46:13 -0500, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu <nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote:
> the temp sensing bulb is on the back near a cold floor under a cold single-
> pane window.
Not an ideal location... I wonder if the bulb could be relocated a
bit, and perhaps some insulation could be added on two or three sides of
the bulb to prevent cold drafts from the window above and perhaps allow
more effect from the radiant transfer of the warm room to the bulb.
Might could even put insulation on up to 5 sides of the sensor.
> We might fix the first 2 problems by putting a 25 watt light bulb near
> the temp sensor with a $15 line-voltage thermostat on the wall that
> turns the bulb off when the room is warm enough.
Hmm, I prefer a passive solution if possible. And if that second
thermostat is plugged into an outlet on the exterior wall, it is likely
to have the same problems as the thermostat built into the heater.
> If the $1275 DV-20E 81.5%-efficient direct vent and $3268 93%-efficient
> Mantis condensing gas heaters are measured with LHV-based efficiencies
> and we subtract 11% to compare apples to apples, the $229 vent-free
> heater is more efficient, as well as a lot cheaper.
The 93% and 81.5% already account for the 11% loss in non-condensing.
It is erroneous to subtract it again. Never the less, the non-vented
heater is nearly 100% efficient, and the price looks very good in
comparison. :)
> Kiddie's 900-0113 plug-in CO and explosive gas detector with battery backup
> ($48 from Amazon, with free shipping) would go well with this.
Absolutely.
sdb
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 4:20 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu
sylvan butler <ZsdbUse1+noZs_0712@Zbigfoot.Zcom.invalid> wrote:
>> If the $1275 DV-20E 81.5%-efficient direct vent and $3268 93%-efficient
>> Mantis condensing gas heaters are measured with LHV-based efficiencies
>> and we subtract 11% to compare apples to apples, the $229 vent-free
>> heater is more efficient, as well as a lot cheaper.
>
>The 93% and 81.5% already account for the 11% loss in non-condensing.
I finally heard from the manufacturer, who tested all of them with gas
with a heating value of 1035 vs 930 Btu/ft^3, ie the HHV.
Nick
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 4:29 pm
From: Jim Elbrecht
[reading this on alt.home.repair]
On 18 Dec 2007 08:46:13 -0500, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>I just installed a 30K Btu/h natural gas vent-free radiant heater in
>a house near Allentown, PA, where kerosine now costs $3.50/gallon
>and natural gas costs about $1.50/therm (roughly equivalent).
In how big an open area? I like my unvented gas stove & have never
had a bit of odor, nor has it ever registered more than the slightest
amount of CO on my detector----- But I remember when I bought it
10[?] years ago the main concern was whether or not it was too big.
My house is pretty open downstairs & the stove is in a 12x20 room with
an outside door and 5 windows. We [my gas supplier & myself]
decided that 30K would be doable.
Mine is just used as supplemental [and on the odd occasion that my
furnace goes out or we lose power. But it has never fogged windows.
-snip-
>The thermostat only has 5 temp settings, as well as "pilot only." It is
>supposed to make the room about 55 F min, with 5 F steps above that, but
>the temp sensing bulb is on the back near a cold floor under a cold single-
>pane window. When the first setting heats most of the room to more than
>70 F, the owner turns the thermostat back to pilot before the heater
>turns itself off,
I'd ask him/her to leave it alone until it can even itself out.
-snip-
> And it makes condensation
>on the indoor window surfaces.
That could be poorly insulated windows, high humidity in the house- or
excess humidity from the gas. [LP adds water to the air- I think
natural gas does, too]
-snip a whole lot of ASHRAE gobbledygook-gook-
>
>We might move outdoor air into the room with a $30 humidistat and a muffin
>fan, or (more efficiently) use a homebrew HRV with condensation outside
>and fresh air inside Coroplast (plastic corrugated sign material) plates,
>or run a dehumidifier or an $80 low-airspeed window AC inside the room.
Call your local fire department and ask them to invite you clean out
the next house they get called to remove a body that succumbed to CO
poisoning because some gadget failed.
-snip-
>Kiddie's 900-0113 plug-in CO and explosive gas detector with battery backup
>($48 from Amazon, with free shipping) would go well with this.
It [or a similar alarm] 'goes well' with any combustion device in your
house. With a ventless stove you're a damn fool for not plugging
it in before you cranked up the stove. Especially one as big as
you're running there. spend a little of the time you've invested
poring over ASHRAE charts and read what your local building department
suggests in regards to those stoves.
Jim
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TOPIC: So quiet in here. Everyone Chrismas shopping?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 4:45 pm
From: val189
Out shopping? Not THIS kid. I mailed a few checks and gift cards and
that's it. I marvel at the people who are feeling the strain of the
season and ask why they just don't make it all stop. Buy a few things
for the kids and let the adult obligatory exchange screech to a halt.
No one will hate or sue you.
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TOPIC: Debit card article in Reader's Digest
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 4:49 pm
From: imascot
Anyone read the article warning people about debit cards in the new RD?
Here's the website version, looks like the same one:
http://www.rd.com/content/debit-card-traps-and-fees-to-avoid/
I was surprised at the growing popularity of debit cards, I thought most
people were getting into trouble with credit cards.
J.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 5:30 pm
From: SMS 斯蒂文* 夏
imascot wrote:
> Anyone read the article warning people about debit cards in the new RD?
> Here's the website version, looks like the same one:
>
> http://www.rd.com/content/debit-card-traps-and-fees-to-avoid/
> I was surprised at the growing popularity of debit cards, I thought most
> people were getting into trouble with credit cards.
Debit cards are extremely dangerous. Never allow any business access to
your checking account. Never let a debit card out of your sight, i.e. to
pay a restaurant bill where they take it from you.
It's amazing that anyone uses a debit card at all. You get none of the
consumer protections you get with a credit card, you don't get the
rewards programs that credit cards offer, and you risk losing your
entire checking account balance.
You can get a non-Visa, non-Mastercard, plain ATM card from your bank,
but you have to request it explicitly because otherwise they'll
automatically send you the type that can be used at most places that
accept credit cards.
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Date: Tues, Dec 18 2007 4:51 pm
From: normalinsurance@gmail.com
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