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Tuesday, January 15, 2008

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TOPIC: Internet TV vs regular TV?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 10:52 am
From: Seerialmom

On Jan 14, 2:08 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >So far there isn't a true always on any channel/any time internet TV
> >source (someone supposedly started something like that a few years
> >back and the big networks put the brakes on it). And even though it's
> >far from perfect, most big networks do show their best shows online.
> >ABC, NBC and Fox have decent video feeds; CBS sucks bigtime (they used
> >to be ok...something has happened and apparently it's next to
> >impossible to see the video...but you sure can see the frickin'
> >commercials). The trade off is the size of the picture for the
> >convenience of very little interference by commercials.
>
> OK
>
> On the size of the picture..... wouldn't having a BIG
> LCD monitor such as 24" LCD unit help with that?

Not necessarily. Sometimes the speed and method of delivery degrades
the picture so that it looks better "small". Of course if you have a
$600 video card it might look fine on a bigger LCD ;). And if you
have a $600 video card...why are you in the frugal-living newsgroup?
heheh

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 11:30 am
From: Carl Swanson

I find the video for horse racing and baseball to be acceptable but
only use it when the events are not on tv.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 11:43 am
From: "Leroy"

Seerialmom wrote:
> $600 video card it might look fine on a bigger LCD ;). And if you
> have a $600 video card...why are you in the frugal-living newsgroup?
> heheh

It seems prices have dropped a bit <g>

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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:42 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Leroy" <leroy@ addy.invalid> wrote:

>IMO, the best of both worlds for your new PC is to use
>for graphics a card with built in TV/FM tuner. Use the
>tuner for local OTA TV and FM. Use the internet to
>get shows and movies *on demand*. The tuner
>feature of a graphics card doesn't add much to the cost
>and is well worth while.

OK thanks

Sounds like a plan.

I read somewhere recently.... PC Mag I think..... that
in near future ALL TV will come over the Internet.....
and we will look back at dedicated cable TV systems,
etc in laughing way.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:44 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Leroy" <leroy@ addy.invalid> wrote:

>certainly. I use a 24 inch monitor seven feet away and often
>shrink the tv 'window' because it's too big.

Really?!

Seven feet away and using the full 24 inches seems too
big? How so?

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 1:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:
> "Leroy" <leroy@ addy.invalid> wrote:
>
>> IMO, the best of both worlds for your new PC is to use
>> for graphics a card with built in TV/FM tuner. Use the
>> tuner for local OTA TV and FM. Use the internet to
>> get shows and movies *on demand*. The tuner
>> feature of a graphics card doesn't add much to the cost
>> and is well worth while.
>
> OK thanks
>
> Sounds like a plan.
>
> I read somewhere recently.... PC Mag I think..... that
> in near future ALL TV will come over the Internet.....

Bet that ends up as silly as the claim that we will all
end up zooming around in helicopters instead of cars.

> and we will look back at dedicated cable TV systems, etc in laughing way.

Bet it doesnt happen like that any decade soon.

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TOPIC: Plastic grocery bag debate question
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 11:09 am
From: sarge137

On Jan 15, 4:59 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <e399c3ec-75fe-480a-8192-f1d79d31e...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 14, 3:00 pm, pc <p...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> > > Greetings group..
>
> > > I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
> > > banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>
> > > While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
> > > use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry home
> > > a purchase..then I don't ask for one.
>
> > > So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy
> > > plastic garbage bags all the time anyways [which brings up a lot of
> > > other issues]? Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
> > > [which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]
>
> > > I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel I
> > > use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come up with an inexpensive,
> > > biodegradable bag!
>
> > Banning these bags is a classic example of useless "feel good"
> > legislation, that just creates inconvenience and bigger problems down
> > the line.
>
> > The city council where I live had a public hearing last year on this
> > very subject. As one of the speakers pointed out, banning the bags
> > won't result in less plastic in the land fills, it will only cause
> > people to buy plastic bags for the same purposes they presently reuse
> > these bags for. Fortunately the measure failed unanimously.
>
> The speaker who said that is missing the point. The point behind banning
> plastic grocery bags isn't to reduce their presence in landfills, its to
> reduce their presence on city streets.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Nope - he didn't miss a thing. One of the major arguments made by the
person proposing the bill was the amount non-biodegradable waste
accumulating in the landfill.

Right, wrong or indifferent he was right on point.

Regards,
Sarge

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 11:11 am
From: Seerialmom

On Jan 14, 2:00 pm, pc <p...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Greetings group..
>
> I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
> banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>
> While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
> use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry home
> a purchase..then I don't ask for one.
>
> So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy
> plastic garbage bags all the time anyways [which brings up a lot of
> other issues]? Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
> [which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]
>
> I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel I
> use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come up with an inexpensive,
> biodegradable bag!

I agree with some of the other posts that it's more about keeping the
bags from clogging up stuff and littering. Our city has finally
allowed these bags to be put into the recycle bin; right now I have a
HUGE bag that's holding these smaller ones. My kitchen garbage pail
is lined with 13 gallon bags, the T-shirt bag would be too small.
When I shop at the local Grocery Outlet I'd prefer using the boxes
they have; unfortunately most of these stores have taken to cutting
off the "front" of the box so you can't carry a case of cans.

But at Costco and Sam's Club...you don't get bags at all...they use
boxes or no carrying method except your cart.

And I've taken to buying eggs at Trader Joes...I just carry out the
carton in my hand.

BTW I buy 40-50lb bags of cat litter at the club stores...and lately
they've been using the same packaging material as some of these
reusable bags (like a plastic weave?). I'm saving these bags and may
make my own carry bags from them.

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Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 11:25 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?

Thanks

TMT

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 11:42 am
From: "Roger"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
> opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?
>
> Thanks
>
> TMT

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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:06 pm
From: James

On Jan 15, 2:25 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
> opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?
>
> Thanks
>
> TMT

Too many unanswered questions. Why do you want/need a pickup, whats
the biggest load you will carry/tow, whats the max passengers you
carry etc.

Domestic pickups are pretty price competitive given the market.

If can fit your needs, the Ford Ranger is being heavily discounted as
its discontinued. Good on gas. I've rented one and it was fine.

Of course you know that pickup brands are a dangerous territory
becuase people have life long prejudicies. My father grew up with
Chevies and will never have anything else. My brother has driven Fords
since 1980. Neither would buy a Dodge. Pickups tend to gather long
term loyalties.

James

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:39 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 15, 2:06 pm, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2:25 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
> > opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?
>
> > Thanks
>
> > TMT
>
> Too many unanswered questions. Why do you want/need a pickup, whats
> the biggest load you will carry/tow, whats the max passengers you
> carry etc.
>
> Domestic pickups are pretty price competitive given the market.
>
> If can fit your needs, the Ford Ranger is being heavily discounted as
> its discontinued. Good on gas. I've rented one and it was fine.
>
> Of course you know that pickup brands are a dangerous territory
> becuase people have life long prejudicies. My father grew up with
> Chevies and will never have anything else. My brother has driven Fords
> since 1980. Neither would buy a Dodge. Pickups tend to gather long
> term loyalties.
>
> James

So did cowboys to their horses...;<)

I NEED a pickup ;<)...I haul too many items that would not fit inside
a car and the spontaneous nature of the hauling (like finding that
special tool hundreds of miles from home) means that a car-trailer
combo won't work.

As for the price competitiveness of domestic pickups, I am not sure on
that. Try finding an used domestic pickup in good shape at a
reasonable price...it takes years to find a good match with that
criteria.

Brand wise I do not care as long as long term maintainance costs are
low.

TMT

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Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:02 pm
From: clams_casino

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:

> Goomba38 wrote:
>
>>
>>> Look to every other industrialized country in this world. There's your
>>> suggestions and ideas on how to make it work. Insurance doesn't work -
>>> it's a scam. That's a fact.
>>
>>
>> I think you meant it is a "business" rather than "scam"
>
>
> Well, I wouldn't call it a business. I would call it a gamble, and
> some gambles are closer to a scam than a business.
>
> As much as I detest the notion of government-sponsored health care, I
> have to concede that if health care was treated as a not-for-profit
> business, the cost of health care would certainly plummet.
>

Some gamble - you are betting the insurance company you will have
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betting you will remain healthy / not require significant medical
assistance.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:44 pm
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"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 13, 4:37 pm, Goomba38 <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
> > I fully agree. If you are a healthy young male, your likeliness of
> > having a significant medical problem is nearly negligible (other than
> > perhaps via traffic or job related accident, which should be covered
> > elsewhere)
>
> > If you feel uneasy about having no coverage, I'd suggest the low premium
> > / high deductible coverage if that helps you to sleep better.
>
> What insurance other than medical would cover him if he had a major auto
> accident and he was at fault? Everyone should cover themselves for such
> major hospitalization if nothing else, IMO. It should also cover that
> odd appendix and the like.
> The low premium, high deductible is ideal for a man this age.

>You are a fool not to be covered for catastophic...it can happen to
>ANYONE.

But...if you're in the state of NY, you CAN'T get catastophic-only coverage,
just full, HMO-style insurance. The state says they're trying to "protect"
us, but if you're self-employed in NY you just can't get affordable/useful
insurance. The best quote I could find was $5,000 a year with a $3,000
deductible, and then, only after you're out of pocket $8,000 each year do
they begin to pay. They only pay 40% and they NEVER pay ANYTHING for office
visits, yet they say "you can see your own doctor". If I have to pay the
whole bill, then of COURSE I can see any doctor I want. What's the point of
insurance like that? I've only spent $1,500 on medical care since 1999 (10
stitches in the ER), and I've been putting the money I didn't have to spend
on premiums into my Roth IRA. Insurance is a total scam. That said, I'm
never sick, take no medications, and I don't believe in "check-ups".

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:54 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:

>You are a fool not to be covered for catastophic...it can happen to
>ANYONE.

Agree

But supposing you are able and willing to self insure
up to say 5-10k...... but can NOT get catastrophic
coverage beyond that due to insurance companies "cherry
picking" client..... i.e. getting only young ones with
no previous health problem?

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TOPIC: Being The Frugal Person..What Did You Buy This Christmas?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:28 pm
From:
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"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:168947b2-2e57-47e0-a106-76e08bd16163@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Curious...as a frugal person what did you buy this Christmas?
>
> TMT

Not a thing. I haven't celebrated Giftmas since I left home 30 years ago.
Giftmas is just an excuse to squeeze money out of stupid people.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:52 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Jan 15, 1:41 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Curious...
>
> Dont forget what that did to the cat.
>
> > as a frugal person what did you buy this Christmas?
>
> Nothing unusual. Never been into the 'present' scam, so didnt bother with any of those.
>
> I do like Xmas food, so ate some of that while its available.
>
> Our Xmas is in summer, so enjoyed summer fruit, but that has nothing to do with Xmas.

Rod, I know you have no one who would bother buying you anything and
am sure that works in reverse.

Ok, you did get a card, but being as the sender wiped their arse on it
first, it doesn't count.

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Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 12:59 pm
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