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TOPIC: Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla or Mazda, which is best????
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 3:48 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <rc9no39b137kejq87qfbrbs9qo996iout5@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> Can anyone recommend good maintenance software for a
> car that will alert you to maint items needing done at
> user specified intervals?

Maintenance software? Any calendar program can do that. For example, I
just bought a new Prius and the dealer said I would be fine getting the
oil changed every 5000 miles or six months, whatever comes first. I put
down an entry in iCal (on my Mac) to do it every four months on the
first Saturday of the month. Works for me, and I don't need any special
software to do it. Just plug in the time periods from your owner's
manual into your calendar program. If you are not a Mac user, there are
no doubt tons available for Windows and Linux, as well as numerous
options on the web.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 3:50 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <betatron-563666.07390014012008@news.ftupet.com>,
max <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote:

> In article <srhi-3F1A86.06450714012008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <49dd5735-301f-4cf0-89b6-2588d7c09fb8@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > meteore <bigrog98@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you all for your input.
> > >
> > > Korean cars have little resale value in my opinion and depreciate
> > > fast.
> > >
> > > I shall buy either a civic or a corolla, depending partially on car
> > > reviews, price, trade in value for my car and a test drive.
> >
> > My dad bought a Corolla last spring. He's very happy with it, but he's a
> > low milage driver (very low milage). I just bought a Prius a few days
> > ago. I decided to spend the extra money on the Prius for several
> > reasons, one of which is gas savings. I figure that even though the
> > price of gas now is not high enough to justify the extra cost of the
> > Prius over the Corolla, gas prices keep going up.
>
> My girlfriend has a Prius. Damn fine car. You'll find it to be
> amazingly quiet at highway speeds.
>
> wish i had one instead of my pt cruiser

Hah! The first time I started it up after I received the keys at the
dealer last Thurday, my Prius was so quiet, I got out of the car and ran
into the dealership to tell them the car wouldn't start! I am still
amazed at how quiet my Pruis is!

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TOPIC: Plastic grocery bag debate question
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 3:53 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <w-qdnY82w-JOnxHanZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Lou" <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote:

> "clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
> news:fiSij.9013$OC1.3569@newsfe20.lga...
> > pc wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings group..
> > >
> > > I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
> > > banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
> > >
> > > While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
> > > use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry
> > > home a purchase..then I don't ask for one.
> > >
> > > So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy
> > > plastic garbage bags all the time anyways [which brings up a lot of
> > > other issues]? Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
> > > [which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]
> > >
> > > I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel
> > > I use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come up with an inexpensive,
> > > biodegradable bag!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > It all comes down to where you want your pollution. Cities want to
> > keep it out of their back yard & back at the paper mill, so they like
> > paper. Plastic bags can be made with minimal pollution, but end up in
> > the land fills.
> >
> > Key is to reuse often and/or use neither - use a cloth bag - over and
> > over and over.
>
> If it's OK to reuse a cloth bag, why isn't it OK to reuse a plastic bag?

Plastic bags are re-used. All the supermarkets in my area have a bin or
two at the front where customers can drop off clean plastic bags to be
recycled.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 3:58 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<921f68af-02e2-4c6b-9c97-8dcc7ad6cf91@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
val189 <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Jan 14, 7:10 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > ...and never wash it, since the manufacture of the detergent, the
> > heating of the water, the power for the washer and dryer, and the gas
> > or electricity for the dryer totally obliviate and
>
> Aw c'mon - having an extra bag it the washer and hanging it out on the
> fencepost to dry adds no expense. But I get your point.... although,
> what's obliviate? :))
>
> More supermarkets should offer easy access recycling bins for paper
> and plastic bags, and for those @$#%$ foam trays too. Many people
> will recycle if it's made convenient.

I totally disagree. In my office suite there are at least fifty people.
Each office has a white bin to recycle paper and other bin for
non-recyclable trash. Many of my colleagues just use their white
recycling bin as another trash can. When I ask them why they don't make
the simple effort to drop ONLY their recyclables in the recycling bin,
they just shrug and say they don't think about it. This has been
happening for many years where I work.

Out by the elevator, there's a trash can for food waste right next to
separate recycling barrels for glass, tin can, and plastic. The trash
can is often used to throw away items that could and should have been
recycled, even though the recycling bin is RIGHT NEXT TO THE TRASH CAN,
and clearly labeled.

Some people are just thoughtless and lazy. If I am waiting for an
elevator, I will transfer recyclable items from the trash can to the
appropriate recycling bin, but it would be better if people just did
this on their own instead of being lazy and inconsiderate.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 3:59 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<e399c3ec-75fe-480a-8192-f1d79d31e7b0@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jan 14, 3:00 pm, pc <p...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> > Greetings group..
> >
> > I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
> > banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
> >
> > While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
> > use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry home
> > a purchase..then I don't ask for one.
> >
> > So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy
> > plastic garbage bags all the time anyways [which brings up a lot of
> > other issues]? Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
> > [which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]
> >
> > I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel I
> > use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come up with an inexpensive,
> > biodegradable bag!
>
> Banning these bags is a classic example of useless "feel good"
> legislation, that just creates inconvenience and bigger problems down
> the line.
>
> The city council where I live had a public hearing last year on this
> very subject. As one of the speakers pointed out, banning the bags
> won't result in less plastic in the land fills, it will only cause
> people to buy plastic bags for the same purposes they presently reuse
> these bags for. Fortunately the measure failed unanimously.

The speaker who said that is missing the point. The point behind banning
plastic grocery bags isn't to reduce their presence in landfills, its to
reduce their presence on city streets.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 5:31 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <w-qdnY82w-JOnxHanZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Lou" <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>> news:fiSij.9013$OC1.3569@newsfe20.lga...
>>> pc wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
>>>> banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>>>>
>>>> While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
>>>> use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry
>>>> home a purchase..then I don't ask for one.
>>>>
>>>> So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy
>>>> plastic garbage bags all the time anyways [which brings up a lot of
>>>> other issues]? Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
>>>> [which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]
>>>>
>>>> I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel
>>>> I use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come up with an inexpensive,
>>>> biodegradable bag!
>>>>
>>> It all comes down to where you want your pollution. Cities want to
>>> keep it out of their back yard & back at the paper mill, so they like
>>> paper. Plastic bags can be made with minimal pollution, but end up in
>>> the land fills.
>>>
>>> Key is to reuse often and/or use neither - use a cloth bag - over and
>>> over and over.
>> If it's OK to reuse a cloth bag, why isn't it OK to reuse a plastic bag?
>
> Plastic bags are re-used. All the supermarkets in my area have a bin or
> two at the front where customers can drop off clean plastic bags to be
> recycled.

Re-use and recycling are two different things. Re-use (e.g., take the
bag back to the store for this week's groceries) requires no additional
processing. Recycling (e.g., have the bag processed into building
materials) does.

I think the reason for banning *free* bags is to encourage people to
take only the bags they need (e.g., for garbage). I use cloth shopping
bags most of the times, but occasionally take plastic bags when our
garbage bag supply runs low. I used to have to take a bag of bags to
the recycling bin every month or so. Now I rarely do.

Note that the stores are still allowed to use plastic bags, but they
must charge for them. If people are paying, they will be less likely to
put up with the behavior one sees where each bag you get has only two or
three items in it.

Some discount stores (e.g. Price-Rite) already charge for bags. And
some of the free plastic bags are so flimsy that by the time I get them
home they already have a rip in them and can't be used for garbage anyway.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Life is complex--it has real and imaginary parts. --anonymous

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Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 5:18 am
From: "Chloe"

<BeaForoni@msn.com> wrote in message
news:b3f62888-5ee7-445c-b391-98fd30870dfc@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 14, 8:03 am, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Folks who live lives full of experiences and opportunities live full
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>to feel life is cheap and never really enjoy the richness of human
>existense.
>To each their own.

Your "to each their own" doesn't ring quite true when read in the context of
the commentary directly preceding it.

Based on direct experience, the FRUGAL way here seems to me to settle in the
least costly area *where one's physical, emotional, intellectual and
spiritual needs will be met.* For some people that might be a very
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DH and I lived for 30 years in a mid-size city with a moderate cost of
living that many people consider a perfectly nice place. It has a thriving
economy, good government, a decent crime rate, and a major state university.
We had jobs that met our needs and a satisfactory standard of living in the
physical sense. I was never completely happy there because I needed the
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The larger place we moved to 7 years ago after DH retired has plenty of
problems. The economy is stagnant, government is inefficient, the public
schools are a nightmare, taxes are very high, and although crime is not an
issue in our neighborhood, it's never far from my consciousness. But because
of those negatives, the cost of living is not particularly high. We have a
home we're happy with, and other aspects of the community have enriched both
our lives in a way that wouldn't have been possible in a smaller city--at
least not in a smaller city with a cost of living we could afford.

It's not about being cheap or spendy, it's like anything else involving
frugality. It's about getting the best value for the resources you expend.

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> Jeff
>>
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Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:10 am
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:14 am
From: lky521896@gmail.com

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Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:11 am
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Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:13 am
From: lky521896@gmail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 6:15 am
From: lky521896@gmail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 15 2008 7:13 am
From: Goomba38

areyouguystwins@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:17:53 -0500, Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> It is very easy to spout off the universal coverage is the answer, yet I
>> don't see many suggestions or ideas on how to make it work.
>
> Look to every other industrialized country in this world. There's your
> suggestions and ideas on how to make it work. Insurance doesn't work -
> it's a scam. That's a fact.
>
> -N

I think you meant it is a "business" rather than "scam"

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