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Today's topics:

* new provider and newsgroups - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0682efd30a563855?hl=en
* Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters and sidewalks - 7
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8ec3161db9d48413?hl=en
* ed www.www.elecserver-yhnetstore.cn 25 usd sell air max ,af1, nike shox,
dunk,af&jordan - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Pigs tow away motorhomes belonging to the homeless in Ontario, CA. - 1
messages, 1 author
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* Need help with Compact Fluorescent - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* Finding the right suit for a special occasion is surprisingly enjoyable. - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3ca9f7bb119e8fe0?hl=en
* Stopping Foreclosure - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/11b215a1f8321585?hl=en
* Scratched And Dented: The Ugly Truth About Watches - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8aa829017c1b4ee2?hl=en
* If you would rather search for used dresses online, you will have the luxury
of shopping from your home at your leisure. You will not however have the
luxury of trying the dresses on or being able to review the dresses for
imperfections. Use your search engine to locate "used dresses" in online
stores. Some sites will offer the used dresses in an auction form, awarding
the dresses to the highest bidder. If you have time to wait for the bidding to
end, this can be a great option to find luxury and designer dresses at
affordable prices. If you are pressed for time or do not like the auction
style format, consider online consignment shops where you can purchase used
dresses for immediate shipment. Both online shopping store types offer name
brand, designer and high quality dresses at affordable prices. Be sure to
review the item descriptions to determine the quality of the clothing before
purchasing as well as the shipping prices. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2b17edd8525fa5eb?hl=en
* Whether you wear briefs, boxers, trunks, crew necks or v-necks, it has got
the newest Calvin Klein undergarments for you. Men who like Calvin Klein
undergarments range from the ultra-conservative guy who wears the same cut and
color in underwear and t-shirts every day to the ultra-hip younger or young-at-
heart guy who wants the latest colors, prints and fashions. - 1 messages, 1
author
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* After you have taken your closet inventory and compared it to the above
staple list, you are ready to start shopping for used clothes. - 1 messages, 1
author
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* Distinction: - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: new provider and newsgroups
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0682efd30a563855?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:06 am
From: thanatoid

"johngood_____" <void@voidacious.net> wrote in
news:SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net:

> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I
> think that I might sign up with. But they tell me that they
> do not provide access to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.
>
> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want
> the inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google;
> is there a reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to
> the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I phoned up
> the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a
> search on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any
> way with Newsgroups as far as I can see. Thanks for any
> advice.

Frankly, I wasn't sure if you weren't having us all on, since
the statement above is so full of confusion and misinformation
that I thought you were a troll.

All Internet Surveillance Providers used to offer Usenet access
as part of the basic package, MANY MOONS ago. As a smaller and
smaller /percentage/ of internet users access the Usenet, many
have dropped that service and others will continue to do so.
Those that still provide it do a lousy job with limited groups,
low retention, and no service.

ANY computer with a newsreader program can access ANY Usenet
server in the world, it's just like visiting a web site
anywhere. I use www.usenetrocket.com which has a 6GB/$7.50 (for
TEN years) pay-as-you-go plan. Whenever you need more, you buy
more. If you don't access their server for three months, it
costs you nothing. Retention is 2-3 months plus depending on
groups, more than enough for anyone IMO.

If you are not interested in binaries, you just might be able to
get 10 years of Usenet for $7.50. The service is second to none
since it's a small operation by a person who cares about his
customers. Try getting ANY service from some of the "big"
premium providers.

Xnews is an excellent though slightly complicated free
newsreader. GrabIt is a less excellent but super-simple free
newsreader - it's more of a binary grabber than a post-oriented
program, but you CAN post with it, and needless to say, read
text as well.

--
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean,
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas
most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:31 am
From: "Ken Blake, MVP"

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT, "johngood_____"
<void@voidacious.net> wrote:

> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.

It's not really that they don't provide access "via Outlook Express."
It's rather that they don't provide a news server. so you can't access
*their* news server at all, whether via Outlook Express or any other
newsreader.

> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience
> of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
> easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
> phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search
> on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
> far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.

If you want to use these Microsoft newsgroups, the best way to get to
them is via Microsoft's news server, msnews.microsoft.com. You can use
that with Outlook Express (or any newsreader), even with your ISP.

If you want to access other, non-Microsoft, newsgroups, such as those
in the alt. hierarchy, try the free news.motzarella.org news server,
which also works with Outlook Express or any newsreader.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:48 am
From: "Rod Speed"

"mcheu" <mpcheu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6mum049ohg4du780p5ku53f4oo23aqcsj4@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT, "johngood_____"
> <void@voidacious.net> wrote:
>
>>In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
>>sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
>>via Outlook Express.
>
> Does this mean that they don't provide NNTP access or that they just
> don't support Outlook Express? If they do provide NNTP groups
> access, then you can set up Outlook yourself. You just need for them
> to give you the address for the NNTP/Usenet server. Just don't expect
> them to answer any support questions about it.
>
>>
>>Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience
>>of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
>>easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
>>phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search
>>on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
>>far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.
>
> If your chosen ISP doesn't provide an NNTP feed, the cheapest option
> other than finding another ISP might be a Teranews 'free' account --
> they charge a 3.95 setup fee, so it's not totally free anymore and
> it's limited to 50megs of transfer a day. So long as you don't read
> a lot of groups or hit the binary groups, that should be ok, but keep
> an eye on it, as they want users to pay for overages. They charge a
> monthly fee for their premium accounts, which allow more transfer, and
> probably have better retention.
>
> http://www.teranews.com/
>
> Giganews is another option for a paid NNTP server.
> http://www.giganews.com
>
> The big advantage to going with an outside paid NNTP feed is that they
> tend to be more complete, with longer retention periods and faster
> download speeds. The NNTP servers offered by ISPs tend to be
> throttled (ie. slower) and have shorter retention periods to disuade
> people from using the binary groups. However, in the long run, if
> those aren't issues for you, finding another ISP that includes an NNTP
> feed in the subscription service is going to be a lot cheaper.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:53 am
From: "Rod Speed"

johngood_____ <void@voidacious.net> wrote:

> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might sign up with. But they tell me that they
> do not provide access to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.

> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google;
> is there a reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please.

Yes, there are plenty of commercial newsgroup providers that work fine with OE.

> I phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds,

They're fools.

> I did a search on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as far as I can see.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 12:06 pm
From: "HeyBub"

johngood_____ wrote:
> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I
> might sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access
> to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.
>
> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the
> inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a
> reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using
> this new provider please. I phoned up the technical line and they
> said to use RSS feeds, I did a search on this but it doesn't seem to
> me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as far as I can see. Thanks
> for any advice.

Hundreds. Google "news+servers" yields over 7 million hits.

On the larger question of the competency of your prospective ISP, on a scale
of one-to-ten, I'd rate them somewhere near the baked-beans aisle.

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TOPIC: Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters and
sidewalks
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:15 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:l2rl04doa2canfak0hj7kr15t8gcucduqf@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:00:14 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> [Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> reported Elvis on Fri, 18 Apr 2008
>>> 20:04:13 -0500 in misc.survivalism :
>>>> I admit to hating homo truck drivers who want to run over children with
>>>> their trucks. Now get the fuck off of ARBR, ygdfm!
>>>>
>>>> Fucking Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>
>>> Tisk tisk, Eddy boyo here must be one of those Liberals who feel
>>> that the law applies to other people, including the laws of physics,
>>> and the traffic laws.
>>>
>>I am sure that Mr. Ed the Grate (aka Edward Dolan) will love being
>>called a liberal.
>
>
> Imbecile, liberal..the same thing
>
> im・be・cile (mb-sl, -sl)
> n.
> 1. A stupid or silly person; a dolt.
> 2. A person whose mental acumen is well below par.
> 3. A person of moderate to severe mental retardation having a mental
> age of from three to seven years and generally being capable of some
> degree of communication and performance of simple tasks under
> supervision.
> adj. also im・be・cil・ic (mb-slk)
> 1. Stupid; silly.
> 2. Well below par in mental acumen.

Gunner wants to run over and kill (murder) children if they impede his
forward progress with his truck, carrying all those valuable parts and tools
you know. Christ ... if only I had some parts and tools and a truck to drive
them in like he does, then I could murder children too. Life is not fair!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:19 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:dt6m041nju8vgtgkc4tn23shpbdque46bb@4ax.com...
> [Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Tom
> Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> reported Elvis on Sat, 19
> Apr 2008 19:00:14 -0500 in misc.survivalism :
>>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> [Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> reported Elvis on Fri, 18 Apr 2008
>>> 20:04:13 -0500 in misc.survivalism :
>>>> I admit to hating homo truck drivers who want to run over children with
>>>> their trucks. Now get the fuck off of ARBR, ygdfm!
>>>>
>>>> Fucking Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>
>>> Tisk tisk, Eddy boyo here must be one of those Liberals who feel
>>> that the law applies to other people, including the laws of physics,
>>> and the traffic laws.
>>>
>>I am sure that Mr. Ed the Grate (aka Edward Dolan) will love being
>>called a liberal.
>
> He's shown all the charm associated with them. Right down to the
> contempt for those who don't conform to their vision of the perfect
> world.
>
> Cie l'vie. His ability to be illuminating died long before his
> entertainment value.
>
> pyotr filipivich

If I had name like pyotr filipivich I would find a hole to crawl in and die.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:29 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:tirl04tk0q0qj2ddh8ud2ba21p09t35v2e@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:02:02 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
[...]

>>I am to the right of Attila the Hun. I have spent the past several years
>>on
>>Usenet ripping into liberals without mercy. But I do not like drivers of
>>vehicles who think it is smart to bully cyclists on the road.
>>
>>I just learned this past week of a RAM cyclist roughly my age who lives
>>nearby being killed on the road in NW Iowa by a motorist (hit from
>>behind).
>
>
>>Cycling is dangerous enough without truck drivers like Gunner wanting to
>>run
>>over us because we are slowing him down.
>
> Oddly enough Eddy Noload is lying utterly about my view and my
> comments.
>
> But thats the typical arrogance of many bike riders. They simply
> cannot stand critism for their elitist outlook or their arrogance and
> utter stupidity.
>
> No wonder many die as the result of their actions. Darwin events
> actually.
>
> Pity
>
> Gunner, who rides Cannondale, Trek, Paramount, but doesnt try to bully
> vehicles outweighing him by many tons.

Nor do I! But you have a peculiar attitude for someone who rides bicycles.
Every cyclist who has ever ridden his bike on the open road has experienced
motorists who bully them because they do not want them on the road - period!
It is a wonder to me that more cyclists do not track down such motorists and
literally murder them!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:41 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:o17m04psoemmthbl6tklqmuli3boe3rho9@4ax.com...
[...]
> Like I said, they seem to be of the opinion that not only do the
> traffic laws not apply to them, but neither do the laws of physics.
> Selah.
> To quote a friend on another subject "I'm not prejudiced, I'm
> convinced!" And Eddy has done quite a firm job of convincing me.
> Probably others as well.

I am the foremost advocate of cyclists NOT taking the lane when there is any
traffic at all. This thread is not about obeying traffic laws, but about
bullying truck drivers who think cyclists have no right to be on the road.
Unless you are cyclist yourself who has ridden the open road, you do not
know what the hell you are talking about.

By the way, do not confuse me with that total jerk ComandanteBanana aka
donquijote1954. He is indeed nuts and not worth any attention.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 1:00 pm
From: ComandanteBanana

On Apr 20, 2:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> news:o17m04psoemmthbl6tklqmuli3boe3rho9@4ax.com...
> [...]
>
> > Like I said, they seem to be of the opinion that not only do the
> > traffic laws not apply to them, but neither do the laws of physics.
> > Selah.
> > To quote a friend on another subject "I'm not prejudiced, I'm
> > convinced!" And Eddy has done quite a firm job of convincing me.
> > Probably others as well.
>
> I am the foremost advocate of cyclists NOT taking the lane when there is any
> traffic at all. This thread is not about obeying traffic laws, but about
> bullying truck drivers who think cyclists have no right to be on the road.
> Unless you are cyclist yourself who has ridden the open road, you do not
> know what the hell you are talking about.
>
> By the way, do not confuse me with that total jerk ComandanteBanana aka
> donquijote1954. He is indeed nuts and not worth any attention.
> [...]

They can only be happy that we don't work together for the same thing:
cyclists' rights.

But do you have any revolution, webpage or something to show you have
some solution, or you are just a monkey with pretensions?

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-01/circus-museum-dressed-chimp.jpg

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 1:02 pm
From: ComandanteBanana

On Apr 20, 4:00 am, Terryc <newsfourspam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > The lions control the wealth and the destiny of the jungle...
>
> Have the elephants stopped laughing yet?

I will be one laughing when the elephants slip on banana peels.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 1:02 pm
From: Tom Sherman

ComandanteBanana aka donquixote1954 wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:o17m04psoemmthbl6tklqmuli3boe3rho9@4ax.com...
>> [...]
>>
>>> Like I said, they seem to be of the opinion that not only do the
>>> traffic laws not apply to them, but neither do the laws of physics.
>>> Selah.
>>> To quote a friend on another subject "I'm not prejudiced, I'm
>>> convinced!" And Eddy has done quite a firm job of convincing me.
>>> Probably others as well.
>> I am the foremost advocate of cyclists NOT taking the lane when there is any
>> traffic at all. This thread is not about obeying traffic laws, but about
>> bullying truck drivers who think cyclists have no right to be on the road.
>> Unless you are cyclist yourself who has ridden the open road, you do not
>> know what the hell you are talking about.
>>
>> By the way, do not confuse me with that total jerk ComandanteBanana aka
>> donquijote1954. He is indeed nuts and not worth any attention.
>> [...]
>
> They can only be happy that we don't work together for the same thing:
> cyclists' rights.
>
> But do you have any revolution, webpage or something to show you have
> some solution, or you are just a monkey with pretensions?
>
> http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-01/circus-museum-dressed-chimp.jpg

Try <http://fespn.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/mister_ed.jpg>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:34 am
From: "Guest"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:I7LOj.1867$y63.448@trndny02...
>
> "Scott in SoCal" <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5orm04t896f7hrum8iuumkg4ivst8k9ia8@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:22:12 GMT, ultimauw@hotmail.com (A Texan from
> > Connecticut) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-tentcity6mar06,1,3712683.story
> >>
> >>
> >>"Pattie Barnes, 46, learned Wednesday just how serious the warnings
> >>were.
> >>
> >>"She was sitting in her motor home when a police officer approached.
> >>
> >>"He asked me to start it. I tried, but the battery was dead," said the
> >>tearful Barnes. "The officer wouldn't give me any time to jump-start
> >>it. He just said, 'It's mine.' "
> >>
> >>She begged him not to take the vehicle and sobbed as it was towed
> >>away.""
> >>
> >> Fuck the pig who took the woman's only home away and on top of that
> >>made a snide remark.
> >
> > Tell you what: why don't you offer to let Ms. Barnes park her fugly
> > trailer in YOUR yard? Then the "pigs" won't be able to harrass her
> > anymore.
>
> code violations?

This story serves as a perfect illustration of why socialism
doesn't work. Ontario tried to be good samaritans and
provide 18 people with a free place to stay, now that
number is over 300 and this organized blight is spreading
to adjoining neighborhoods.

My favorite quote from the article:

"The city started something it couldn't finish."

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:41 am
From: "Rod Speed"

anna <annabaum100@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It is so dark with this light in the bathroom. I am desperately trying to get a brighter light...

Give up on a compact fluourescent there, use a normal incandescent of 100W
or so. The power useage difference will be minimal with a bathroom light.

> I searched all over the internet. Went to Home Depot etc. No luck. Not
> sure why they do not make brighter lights for 2 pin Compact Fluorescents.

There's technical problems with doing that.

> Any suggestions..where I can a brighter 2 pin Compact Fluorescent light.

> FYI....I am not handy.

> Any help would be highly appreciated.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 11:48 am
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <40f8b230-01c6-43c4-a210-8f683a0b67e6@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
anna wrote:

>Need help with Compact Fluorescent
>California Home
>
>Our vanity bathroom has a 26W Nutone Compact Fluorescent 2 pin
>light / with fan - ceiling light.
>( the light appears to be about 9 inches long)
>
>It is so dark with this light in the bathroom. I am desperately
>trying to get a brighter light...I searched all over the internet.
>Went to Home Depot etc. No luck.
>Not sure why they do not make brighter lights for 2 pin Compact
>Fluorescents.
>
>Any suggestions..where I can a brighter 2 pin Compact Fluorescent
>light.

Those CFLs with pins generaly lack ballasts, so the ballast is probably
in the fixture. The ballast largely determines how much power will go
into the CFL.

Some possibilities for most likely minor improvement:

1. Nutone is not one of the major brands. By many accounts, the most
reputable brands are the "Big 3" - Sylvania (or Osram/Sylvania), Philips
and GE.
In my experience, light output from a Big-3 and a non-Big-3 pin-base
ballastless CFL is usually about the same. But you may have a chance for
improvement.
If these are not available at home centers, try electric/lighting supply
shops.

2. You may want to try a different color. This can affect how bright the
room appears.
Color of compact fluorescents and other triphosphor fluorescents is
usually stated by color temperature or a 2-digit abbreviation of color
temperature.
Higher color temperature can sometimes make a room appear brighter due
to better stimulation of scotopic vision - although some studies in this
area are not fully accepted.
Having color temperature unusually high for a given lighting level can
lead to a "dreary gray" effect.

27 / 2700 - The usual CFL color. Most people find this one best for
most interior home lighting, especially in less-bright areas.

30 / 3000 - A less common one, only slightly whiter than 2700.

35 / 3500 - A "whiter but still warm" color, often found to be good
for brighter interior home lighting, such as in bathrooms.

41 / 4100 - Plain neutral white. Can cause a "dreary gray effect"
unless lighting level is of brightness typical of offices,
classrooms and retail stores.

50 / 5000 - Icy cold pure white, easily causes a "dreary gray effect"
in home lighting, despite color being about the same as that
of sunlight with the sun high in the sky and with clear air.

One more thing - CFLs often need half a minute to a minute to warm up to
achieve full brightness. Ones with outer bulbs around the tubing tend to
have a greater need to warm up and need more time to warm up. In
bathrooms that people use at night, this often comes in handy - the lights
are dimmed at first!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 12:35 pm
From: "Dave"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:671h2bF2m9rmiU1@mid.individual.net...
> anna <annabaum100@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Need help with Compact Fluorescent
>> California Home
>>
>> Our vanity bathroom has a 26W Nutone Compact Fluorescent 2 pin
>> light / with fan - ceiling light.
>> ( the light appears to be about 9 inches long)
>
>> It is so dark with this light in the bathroom. I am desperately trying
>> to get a brighter light...
>
> Give up on a compact fluourescent there, use a normal incandescent of 100W
> or so. The power useage difference will be minimal with a bathroom light.
>

Amazingly, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately, this is a Kalifornia home the
OP was asking about. If incandescent is still legal there, it won't be
soon. I believe (google it) that California has already outlawed
incandescents.

What the OP needs is a whole new lighting fixture, but one that will accept
a larger CFL bulb, or multiple CFL bulbs. The best solution would be to
replace the CFL fixture with an incandescent fixture, if that was legal.
But it's not. -Dave

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 12:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> anna <annabaum100@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> Need help with Compact Fluorescent
>>> California Home

>>> Our vanity bathroom has a 26W Nutone Compact Fluorescent 2 pin
>>> light / with fan - ceiling light.
>>> ( the light appears to be about 9 inches long)

>>> It is so dark with this light in the bathroom. I am desperately trying to get a brighter light...

>> Give up on a compact fluourescent there, use a normal incandescent of 100W or so. The power useage difference will
>> be minimal with a bathroom light.

> Amazingly, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately, this is a Kalifornia home the OP was asking about. If incandescent is
> still legal there, it won't be soon. I believe (google it) that California has already outlawed incandescents.

Completely trivial to get a decent supply of whatever turns out
to give enough light from outside that state using the net etc.

> What the OP needs is a whole new lighting fixture, but one that will accept a larger CFL bulb, or multiple CFL bulbs.
> The best solution would be to replace the CFL fixture with an incandescent fixture, if that was legal. But it's not.

Completely trivial to do an end run around that stupid law.

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