Frugal Living: 26 new messages in 13 topics

Sunday, April 20, 2008

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TOPIC: new provider and newsgroups
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0682efd30a563855?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 7:59 am
From: "John"

{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> johngood_____ wrote
> on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT in message
> <SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>
>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that
>> I might sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide
>> access to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.
>>
>> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the
>> inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a
>> reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using
>> this new provider please. I phoned up the technical line and they
>> said to use RSS feeds, I did a search on this but it doesn't seem to
>> me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as far as I can see. Thanks
>> for any advice.
>>
>>
>
>
> For text only:
>
> Free:
>
> news.motzarella.org
>
> news.albasani.net
>
> Are two and have been reliable all the time I've used them.
>
> Then there's news.individual.net for ¤10 (Ten Euro) per year. When I
> used them in the past, they were reliable.
>
> For binaries, afraid someone else will have to answer there.

Hey, Welcome - can you please explain your sig in a bit more detail? I live
in Preston and I'm on BT Internet (or whatever they're calling themselves
this week) but a neighbour four doors down is on Virgin cable, so I'm
curious now.

John

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 7:56 am
From: "Bruce Hagen"

"johngood_____" <void@voidacious.net> wrote in message
news:SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I
> might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to
> Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.
>
> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the
> inconvenience
> of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
> easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
> phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a
> search
> on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
> far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.
>

Free and Public Usenet News Servers:
http://freenews.maxbaud.net/

Find a news server at:
http://www.newzbot.com/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 7:58 am
From: George

johngood_____ wrote:
> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.

Newsgroups is not a profitable business for ISP's. It's better to
access NG directly using a good NG reader like Thunderbird or whatever
or even browsing Google Groups.

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:01 am
From: "Barb"

>
> For text only:
>
> Free:
>
> news.motzarella.org
>
> news.albasani.net
>
> Are two and have been reliable all the time I've used them.
>
> Then there's news.individual.net for ¤10 (Ten Euro) per year. When I used
> them in the past, they were reliable.
>
> For binaries, afraid someone else will have to answer there.

I concur - I'm on Sky, which doesn't have any usenet access, and I'm now
using motzarella with OE, which works fine for text. I subscribe to
EasyNews for binaries - been with them for years, cheap and reliable.

Barb UK

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:05 am
From: "Bob Eager"

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:58:21 UTC, George <nospam@please.com> wrote:

> johngood_____ wrote:
> > In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
> > sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
> > via Outlook Express.
>
> Newsgroups is not a profitable business for ISP's. It's better to
> access NG directly using a good NG reader like Thunderbird or whatever
> or even browsing Google Groups.

What do you mean 'directly'? You still need to find a server...
--
[ 7'ism - a condition by which the sufferer experiences an inability
to give concise answers, express reasoned argument or opinion.
Usually accompanied by silly noises and gestures - incurable, early
euthanasia recommended. ]

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:13 am
From: johannes

johngood_____ wrote:
>
> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.

Although there are loads of different e-mail clients, many of them free and
Outlook Express is not everybody's cuppa, OE is fairly standard and commonly
used. Sounds to me like some misunderstanding of what the ISP has told you.
I can't see why they should object to Outlook Express in particular. Here,
I'm using Netscape Messenger.

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:35 am
From: Eeyore

johngood_____ wrote:

> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.

Well there's nothing special about how Outlook Express reads nntp so that
suggests to me they don't know what they're talking about.

An ISP having a news server is NO reason for choosing one anyway when a $10
one-off purchase for 25GB from astranews may last you years.

Graham

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:37 am
From: Eeyore

johannes wrote:

> I'm using Netscape Messenger.

An excellent choice IMHO. So do I . The user interface is simple, uncluttered and
it all works.

Graham

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:49 am
From: George

Bob Eager wrote:
> What do you mean 'directly'? You still need to find a server...

Many years ago ISP's used newsgroups servers as a repository within the
Usenet system. Individual users read from and post messages to a local
server operated by their ISP. The servers then exchanged the messages
between other servers, so that they were available to readers beyond the
original server. Most ISP's do not run those servers anymore, so you
must access newsgroups servers directly using whatever client you wish.

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:53 am
From: "George Weston"

"George" <nospam@please.com> wrote in message
news:eyCpp4voIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Bob Eager wrote:
> > What do you mean 'directly'? You still need to find a server...
>
> Many years ago ISP's used newsgroups servers as a repository within the
> Usenet system. Individual users read from and post messages to a local
> server operated by their ISP. The servers then exchanged the messages
> between other servers, so that they were available to readers beyond the
> original server. Most ISP's do not run those servers anymore, so you must
> access newsgroups servers directly using whatever client you wish.

Very many still do.
BT, Plusnet - to name but two.

George

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:55 am
From: {{{{{Welcome}}}}}

John wrote
on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:59:12 +0100 in message
<EtKdnRMcb6eox5bVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>:

>{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
>> johngood_____ wrote
>> on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT in message
>> <SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>>
>>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that
>>> I might sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide
>>> access to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.
>>>
>>> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the
>>> inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a
>>> reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using
>>> this new provider please. I phoned up the technical line and they
>>> said to use RSS feeds, I did a search on this but it doesn't seem to
>>> me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as far as I can see. Thanks
>>> for any advice.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> For text only:
>>
>> Free:
>>
>> news.motzarella.org
>>
>> news.albasani.net
>>
>> Are two and have been reliable all the time I've used them.
>>
>> Then there's news.individual.net for ¤10 (Ten Euro) per year. When I
>> used them in the past, they were reliable.
>>
>> For binaries, afraid someone else will have to answer there.
>
>Hey, Welcome - can you please explain your sig in a bit more detail? I live
>in Preston and I'm on BT Internet (or whatever they're calling themselves
>this week) but a neighbour four doors down is on Virgin cable, so I'm
>curious now.
>
>John
>

Sure, no worries:-

Virgin Media Technical Support - Karl Rio wrote
on Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:59:39 GMT in message
<%yIMj.7737$yD2.3770@text.news.virginmedia.com>:

>Hi,
>
>I know there have been many queries regarding STM (Traffic Management), and
>below is the official statement regarding changes to the STM policy.
>
>If you have any questions or comments, please can I ask that you post these
>in the Feedback group (virginmedia.feedback) to keep the support groups
>clear for the team to respond to service affecting issues. This has been
>cross-posted to feedback.
>
>Thankyou.
>
>STM Statement:
>
>· As part of our continued efforts to improve our customer's broadband
>experience we are continuing to trial measures which will more efficiently
>and pro-actively manage network traffic.
>
>· As part of our continued efforts to improve our customer's broadband
>experience, we are making changes to the current Traffic Management Policy
>within certain trial regions.
>
>· This updated policy will be trialed within the following regions
>Preston, Wigan, Blackpool, Camden, Dalston, Enfield and Haringey.
>
>· These measures are based on policies that detect traffic patterns
>that are deemed potentially abnormal and apply traffic management rules to
>ensure that other customers are not adversely affected by this traffic.
>
>· The trial aims to prevent or reduce the effects of a minority of
>users abusing the network and preventing the majority of subscribers from
>having the network performance they desire.
>
>· For the vast majority of customers, upwards of 95% of the base,
>their experience will be a more consistent speed (both upload and download).
>
>· Those who have the policies applied to their connection will
>experience their download / upload speed being constrained (less than 5%
>affected). Breach of acceptable use policy may lead to these policies being
>applied.
>
>· These optimisation policies are being trialed during the following
>times where the potential for abnormal traffic has been identified as having
>the greatest adverse impact on our customers' experience.
>
>10am - 3pm Download only
>4pm - 9pm Download
>3pm - 8pm Upload
>
>
>During these times the following thresholds will be applied for upstream and
>downstream.
>
>10am - 3pm Download
>Size M: 900Mb
>Size L: 2400Mb
>Size XL: 6000Mb
>
>4pm - 9pm Download
>Size M: 450Mb
>Size L:1200Mb
>Size XL: 3000Mb
>
>3pm - 8pm Upload
>Size M: 200Mb
>Size L: 700Mb
>Size XL: 1400Mb

If you hit these limits your broadband connection will be throttled at the
speeds of that of which the STM applies for users in other areas.

http://abcde.co.uk/virginmedia/stm.html

2Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 1Mbit
4Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 1Mbit
10Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 2.5Mbit
20Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 5Mbit.

The standard hours where VM check for the amount you download or upload are
16:00 - 21:00 this means you can get hit once per 24 hours with slow speeds
for 5 hours.

In the areas mentioned above the hours they check for the amount you
download or upload are 10:00 - 21:00 so you could get hit a couple of times
with slow speeds for 5 hours a time.

--
Preston, Wigan, Blackpool, Camden, Dalston,
Enfield and Haringey Virgin Media Broadband users
You're only getting a fraction of what you pay for!

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:56 am
From: steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)

George <nospam@please.com> wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
> > What do you mean 'directly'? You still need to find a server...
>
> Many years ago ISP's used newsgroups servers as a repository within the
> Usenet system. Individual users read from and post messages to a local
> server operated by their ISP. The servers then exchanged the messages
> between other servers, so that they were available to readers beyond the
> original server. Most ISP's do not run those servers anymore, so you
> must access newsgroups servers directly using whatever client you wish.

Care to expain what the hell it is you're wibbling on about? - 'cos it
looks like complete nonsense to me.
--
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL
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== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:58 am
From: larry

Graham. wrote:

> <hint>
> They do however impose a limit on the number of groups
> a you can x-post to, so it might not be ideal for you .
> <\hint>

What? this is a bad thing? like the OP on 5 groups?

xposter=spammer

Thanks for the Sunday morning funny...

-- larry/dallas

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 9:10 am
From: "John"

{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> John wrote
> on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:59:12 +0100 in message
> <EtKdnRMcb6eox5bVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>:
>
>> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
>>> johngood_____ wrote
>>> on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT in message
>>> <SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>>>
>>>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that
>>>> I might sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide
>>>> access to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.
>>>>
>>>> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the
>>>> inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a
>>>> reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups
>>>> using this new provider please. I phoned up the technical line and
>>>> they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search on this but it doesn't
>>>> seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as far as I can
>>>> see. Thanks for any advice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For text only:
>>>
>>> Free:
>>>
>>> news.motzarella.org
>>>
>>> news.albasani.net
>>>
>>> Are two and have been reliable all the time I've used them.
>>>
>>> Then there's news.individual.net for ¤10 (Ten Euro) per year. When
>>> I used them in the past, they were reliable.
>>>
>>> For binaries, afraid someone else will have to answer there.
>>
>> Hey, Welcome - can you please explain your sig in a bit more detail?
>> I live in Preston and I'm on BT Internet (or whatever they're
>> calling themselves this week) but a neighbour four doors down is on
>> Virgin cable, so I'm curious now.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> Sure, no worries:-
>
> Virgin Media Technical Support - Karl Rio wrote
> on Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:59:39 GMT in message
> <%yIMj.7737$yD2.3770@text.news.virginmedia.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know there have been many queries regarding STM (Traffic
>> Management), and below is the official statement regarding changes
>> to the STM policy.
>>
>> If you have any questions or comments, please can I ask that you
>> post these in the Feedback group (virginmedia.feedback) to keep the
>> support groups clear for the team to respond to service affecting
>> issues. This has been cross-posted to feedback.
>>
>> Thankyou.
>>
>> STM Statement:
>>
>> · As part of our continued efforts to improve our customer's
>> broadband experience we are continuing to trial measures which will
>> more efficiently and pro-actively manage network traffic.
>>
>> · As part of our continued efforts to improve our customer's
>> broadband experience, we are making changes to the current Traffic
>> Management Policy within certain trial regions.
>>
>> · This updated policy will be trialed within the following
>> regions Preston, Wigan, Blackpool, Camden, Dalston, Enfield and
>> Haringey.
>>
>> · These measures are based on policies that detect traffic
>> patterns that are deemed potentially abnormal and apply traffic
>> management rules to ensure that other customers are not adversely
>> affected by this traffic.
>>
>> · The trial aims to prevent or reduce the effects of a
>> minority of users abusing the network and preventing the majority of
>> subscribers from having the network performance they desire.
>>
>> · For the vast majority of customers, upwards of 95% of the
>> base, their experience will be a more consistent speed (both upload
>> and download).
>>
>> · Those who have the policies applied to their connection will
>> experience their download / upload speed being constrained (less
>> than 5% affected). Breach of acceptable use policy may lead to these
>> policies being applied.
>>
>> · These optimisation policies are being trialed during the
>> following times where the potential for abnormal traffic has been
>> identified as having the greatest adverse impact on our customers'
>> experience.
>>
>> 10am - 3pm Download only
>> 4pm - 9pm Download
>> 3pm - 8pm Upload
>>
>>
>> During these times the following thresholds will be applied for
>> upstream and downstream.
>>
>> 10am - 3pm Download
>> Size M: 900Mb
>> Size L: 2400Mb
>> Size XL: 6000Mb
>>
>> 4pm - 9pm Download
>> Size M: 450Mb
>> Size L:1200Mb
>> Size XL: 3000Mb
>>
>> 3pm - 8pm Upload
>> Size M: 200Mb
>> Size L: 700Mb
>> Size XL: 1400Mb
>
> If you hit these limits your broadband connection will be throttled
> at the speeds of that of which the STM applies for users in other
> areas.
>
> http://abcde.co.uk/virginmedia/stm.html
>
> 2Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 1Mbit
> 4Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 1Mbit
> 10Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 2.5Mbit
> 20Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 5Mbit.
>
> The standard hours where VM check for the amount you download or
> upload are 16:00 - 21:00 this means you can get hit once per 24 hours
> with slow speeds for 5 hours.
>
> In the areas mentioned above the hours they check for the amount you
> download or upload are 10:00 - 21:00 so you could get hit a couple of
> times with slow speeds for 5 hours a time.

Thanks for that, Welcome - very interesting.

John.

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TOPIC: I finally took delivery of official vehicle of the revolution
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
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--

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== 1 of 1 ==
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>
>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-tentcity6mar06,1,3712683.story
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